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(Mirror.co.uk)   Is British Columbia's "The Highway of Tears" the hunting ground of a prolific serial killer? Forty women have vanished over the last thirty years (w/map of suspected victims and where they were found)   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 131
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2012-06-14 11:54:03 PM
I kinda wanna hitch that road now.

What time is it? Adventure Time!
 
2012-06-14 11:56:45 PM
Well.

I know where I'm going on my summer vacation.
 
2012-06-14 11:58:08 PM

Bunnyhat: Well.

I know where I'm going on my summer vacation.


You and doglover should team up.
 
2012-06-15 12:04:34 AM
Mapes, the mounties had 30 years to catch this guy.

All it would take is a chick with a coach gun under a coat.
 
2012-06-15 12:05:25 AM

doglover: Mapes, the mounties had 30 years to catch this guy.

All it would take is a chick with a coach gun under a coat.


Maybe the serial killer is one of the Mounties.
 
2012-06-15 12:11:08 AM

Bathia_Mapes: doglover: Mapes, the mounties had 30 years to catch this guy.

All it would take is a chick with a coach gun under a coat.

Maybe the serial killer is one of the Mounties.


Thats pretty much what I was thinking - probably a LEO...
 
2012-06-15 12:19:22 AM

Bathia_Mapes: doglover: Mapes, the mounties had 30 years to catch this guy.

All it would take is a chick with a coach gun under a coat.

Maybe the serial killer is one of the Mounties.


Wouldn't surprise me a bit.
 
2012-06-15 12:24:44 AM

Elzar: Bathia_Mapes: doglover: Mapes, the mounties had 30 years to catch this guy.

All it would take is a chick with a coach gun under a coat.

Maybe the serial killer is one of the Mounties.

Thats pretty much what I was thinking - probably a LEO...


Benevolent Misanthrope: Bathia_Mapes: doglover: Mapes, the mounties had 30 years to catch this guy.

All it would take is a chick with a coach gun under a coat.

Maybe the serial killer is one of the Mounties.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit.


Wouldn't be the first time either. In fact, one of the theories regarding the Long Island serial killer is that he might be a former cop.
 
2012-06-15 12:41:40 AM
I bet it was that Pickton asshole.
 
2012-06-15 12:44:44 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Bathia_Mapes: doglover: Mapes, the mounties had 30 years to catch this guy.

All it would take is a chick with a coach gun under a coat.

Maybe the serial killer is one of the Mounties.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit.


Well, Gerard Schaefer was a cop so it's possible. But this news is pretty damn old... I've never even been to British Columbia and I've heard of these murders. But considering Canada's record for solving multiple murders of aboriginal women (they got lucky with Pickton, the Boozing Barber and John Martin Crawford), I'm not surprised the case isn't solved... And I also wouldn't be shocked if there was more than one killer stalking the Highway of Tears...
 
2012-06-15 01:24:26 AM
Truck diver?
 
2012-06-15 06:39:25 AM
Almost sounds like the movie Jeepers Creepers.
 
2012-06-15 06:41:13 AM

Rev.K: I bet it was that Pickton asshole.


Why am I laughing so much at that?
 
2012-06-15 06:44:20 AM

SundaesChild: Truck diver?


Hello Mr. Clarkson!
 
2012-06-15 06:46:26 AM
SundaesChild: Truck diver?

So the Scrambler DOES exist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqmLRgAXVQ4
 
2012-06-15 06:48:14 AM

SundaesChild: Truck diver?


I've wondered the same thing. Highway 16 also passes through Edmonton, which has dozens of unsolved murders/missing persons cases, so if they could be tied together it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be someone who was regularly travelling from here to the coast.
 
2012-06-15 06:54:46 AM
The reason that this is occurring is that wages haven't kept pace with the services of a paid sex partner.
 
2012-06-15 06:57:43 AM
Did the Brits release the Yorkshire Ripper?
 
2012-06-15 06:59:21 AM
Pretty sad stuff. If you were targeted out there, you pretty much would have to get out of it yourself. I'm thinking whom ever it is, they must be use to living in the wilds...


Could not help reading the story on the side about the squid that a Korean woman said got her pregnant.... She was eating it and felt something sharp and painful in her mouth. They said it was squid sperm. She didn't swallow and spit it out right away. The squid was let down a little....It thought she really loved squid.....Anyways look for a follow up story. Korean 10 legged baby on the way in about 7 months. It will be an oral delivery too, I imagine.
 
2012-06-15 07:00:21 AM
The liberal war on women continues...
 
2012-06-15 07:04:06 AM
How in the name of dread lord Cthulhu's arsebeard do you become a "suspected" victim?

"Ma'am, we'll need you to come downtown with us so that we may determine if you are in fact dead from multiple stab wounds"

www.thesettlementchannel.com
 
2012-06-15 07:05:42 AM

Badgerlad: How in the name of dread lord Cthulhu's arsebeard do you become a "suspected" victim?


You go missing and your body is never found, so no one can say for sure whether you were murdered or just took off.
 
2012-06-15 07:05:49 AM
A man had flagged her down on the side of the road in a Dodge pickup truck with flashing emergency lights blazing.

Are they referring to hazards or did the vehicle have some sort of attached fire/police/tow truck type of light? Anyone know?
 
2012-06-15 07:06:20 AM

Badgerlad: How in the name of dread lord Cthulhu's arsebeard do you become a "suspected" victim?


Suspected to be victims of this alleged serial killer, is what I guess they mean. You are right though, once they find your body in in a gravel pit with multiple stab wounds, your victim card is pretty much a lock.
 
2012-06-15 07:09:39 AM

Rev.K: I bet it was that Pickton asshole.


"In 2004 a task force called Project E-Pana, named after a God in Inuit mythology, was set up to look into the slayings.

Last year it added another victim to its list. The most recent case involves Madison Scott, 20, who vanished after attending a lakeside party."

Pickton was apprehended in 2002.
 
2012-06-15 07:10:00 AM

apoptotic: Badgerlad: How in the name of dread lord Cthulhu's arsebeard do you become a "suspected" victim?

You go missing and your body is never found, so no one can say for sure whether you were murdered or just took off.


That's a valid theory, however does present certain challenges regarding mapping their locations as per this: "w/map of suspected victims and where they were found"
 
2012-06-15 07:12:41 AM
www.brixpicks.com
There is a barn full of stuff somewhere in that area.
 
2012-06-15 07:13:20 AM
Well here's a crazy idea, stop freaking hitchhiking.
 
2012-06-15 07:14:25 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Well here's a crazy idea, stop freaking hitchhiking.


All the victims have stopped.
 
2012-06-15 07:15:34 AM
I like the fact that they say the road itself presents an ideal location for crimes of opportunity like abducting women, and in the same breath say it is the same guy doing all the crimes for 30 years. I guess the words "serial killer" still sell.
 
2012-06-15 07:18:23 AM

BurnShrike: All the victims have stopped.


Thanks Sherlock
 
2012-06-15 07:18:27 AM

apoptotic: SundaesChild: Truck diver?

I've wondered the same thing. Highway 16 also passes through Edmonton, which has dozens of unsolved murders/missing persons cases, so if they could be tied together it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be someone who was regularly travelling from here to the coast.


This.

I have also heard that there are most likely 2 serial killers operating in Edmonton, from all the human remains they find every spring on the outskirts of town.

//And yet teen girls keep hitchhiking.
 
2012-06-15 07:19:24 AM

pureobscure: A man had flagged her down on the side of the road in a Dodge pickup truck with flashing emergency lights blazing.

Are they referring to hazards or did the vehicle have some sort of attached fire/police/tow truck type of light? Anyone know?


I believe it was just the hazard lights, and haven't found anything in BC or Canadian media to suggest otherwise. The linked article seems to be (heavily) based on this 2011 article in which it says "its emergency lights flashing". The original phrasing suggests to me they're referring to lights that are standard for the vehicle, and that it lost a little in translation when the Mirror Brit'ed up the description.
 
2012-06-15 07:20:56 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-15 07:22:37 AM
Could be that the murders happen elsewhere, and, after the popularization of that highway as the locus of death back in the 70's, it's simply a popular place to dump bodies.
 
2012-06-15 07:26:16 AM

Agarista: Could be that the murders happen elsewhere, and, after the popularization of that highway as the locus of death back in the 70's, it's simply a popular place to dump bodies.


I'm not familiar with much of Canada, but from the article the road is the only thing out there. Hard to find victims in the middle of nowhere unless you have a road that brings them to you.
 
2012-06-15 07:32:50 AM
Funny to see this on Fark. I've spent the bulk of my life living smack dab in the middle of that route (Smithers, BC). Grew up with the Highway of Tears thing.

What people often fail to understand is that it's an incredibly long stretch of highway. Not just one bit between two towns, but hundreds and hundreds of kilometers of sparsely populated road, with wild animals, dangerous drivers, and many potentially dangerous weather conditions (including high altitude, high latitude winters).

A lot of shiatty, non murderer things can happen to people out there. Hit and run, wild animal, slip on some ice, roll down a steep bank and snap your neck, then get dragged off into the woods and eaten by something. Some of these women could've died naturally a few dozen feet from the road and no one would ever find them, even with all the searches and walks. I cannot possibly emphasize how much nothing there is along this highway.

I don't believe on person killed every woman who disappeared on this highway. It's clear some of the girls where (the ones murdered around the same time possibly by the same person), but over 30 years it seems more likely it was different individuals. Some of the others likely experienced less salacious though equally unfortunate fates, or in some cases merely got the hell off their shiat-hole reservations, hauled out to the other side of this massive country and never bothered to get back in touch. It's a common thing in a rural area like the North.

I'd be very surprised if all, or even a large percentage of these murders are the result of one person.

Ending slashies because wow this article is horribly sensationalistic.

"Local Vikki Joseph adds: "Everyone knows someone who has a daughter or sister or aunt who has gone missing around here.""

Vikki Joseph, based on name, likely lives on a reservation of a few hundred people or less. All it takes is one girl to disappear and everyone knows her. Deeply misleading reporting. I don't know anyone who knows anyone who went missing along the highway.

Also the keep calling them Iniuit. The inuit live another thousand+ kilometers north. These are mostly Carrier native women, like the Wet'Su'Wet'n, or some of the coastal groups (like Haida). It might seem picky, but really the Inuit are vastly removed from the geographic area of Highway 16.

It'd be like if a CBC article referred to Scots as Englishmen.


It's late and I'm ranting horribly. Just as somone who's part of that community (Insomuch as a stretch of highway equivalent to driving across multiple US states can be a singular community), the sensationalism really really bugs me. Doubtless some of these girls where murdered, but a bunch of hype and bullshiat isn't going to make that right. Not by a long shot. Blaming it all on one Suspect X possibly overlooks a lot of more likely scenarios (for example, some of these girls where leaving Prince George, might've been involved in prostitution or some other criminal stuff, or just had shiathead ex boyfriend coming after them. Prince George is the festering rotten asshole of British Columbia).


\837-miles is a lot of farking highway. I wonder what the statistics are on disappearances on any other stretch of road that long over 30 years?
\\Still awful that these women are dead.
\\\Millions are not in terror. There aren't even half a million whole people in the entire northern 90% of this province. Not even half a million.
\\\\You can still see a few ancient "Missing" posters for Nicole Hoar in Smithers and Hazelton. It's creepy and sad.
\\\Slashies mean I desperately need to go to bed, before I get even less coherent.
 
2012-06-15 07:33:39 AM

Tat'dGreaser: BurnShrike: All the victims have stopped.

Thanks Sherlock


Obviously I was making a joke there, but the point is that there is always a stream of new young naive people doing silly things.
 
2012-06-15 07:34:20 AM
Daily Mirror reported this?

They are probably all fine.
 
2012-06-15 07:35:10 AM

6655321: Did the Brits release the Yorkshire Ripper?


No the Ripper move the USA. At least that's one idea on him.
 
2012-06-15 07:37:38 AM
assets.diylol.com

Abduction. Absolutely.
 
2012-06-15 07:38:33 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Agarista: Could be that the murders happen elsewhere, and, after the popularization of that highway as the locus of death back in the 70's, it's simply a popular place to dump bodies.

I'm not familiar with much of Canada, but from the article the road is the only thing out there. Hard to find victims in the middle of nowhere unless you have a road that brings them to you.


It's the only road.

Unless you're really really familiar with a handful of ancient abandoned highway sand logging roads it's the only rout through that entire section of the province, including the coast and Alaskan panhandle. Even then, some of those old routes are so hairy or overgrown they might be unusable, even with good 4x4. Especially in winter. That's what irks me about this, it's a long stretch of highway, and it's the ONLY highway. I honestly want to take any other stretch of highway that long and compare disappearances, I bet it'd pan out with similar numbers and data (most victims being ethnic minorities with increased rates of crime and poverty, etc...).

But yeah, all the hitchhikers are on that road because it's literally the only road on which you can hitchhike.

I honestly think the "highway of tears" is not inherently more dangerous than any other stretch of highway. It's pretty much a long paved Bermuda triangle.

\Again, going to emphasize, doesn't make women disappearing any less tragic or awful. Some of them where murdered, and cases being largely dismissed based on racism/poverty wouldn't surprise me much.
\\Still, I don't envy the cops. There's a whole lot of nothing to go on.
 
2012-06-15 07:39:00 AM
We've had crap like this going on around Las Vegas for a good long time too Link and Link
 
2012-06-15 07:40:31 AM

BurnShrike: Obviously I was making a joke there, but the point is that there is always a stream of new young naive people doing silly things.


I know, my response wasn't meant to be mean.

Well that's my point, they need to stop doing that. Also I think someone else made a good point, the is the Daily Mirror so I don't know why we believe them for a second.
 
2012-06-15 07:45:25 AM

Tat'dGreaser: BurnShrike: Obviously I was making a joke there, but the point is that there is always a stream of new young naive people doing silly things.

I know, my response wasn't meant to be mean.

Well that's my point, they need to stop doing that. Also I think someone else made a good point, the is the Daily Mirror so I don't know why we believe them for a second.


The alarmism is greatly exaggerated, but it's true. All those women did disappear, last known whereabouts where reportedly attempting to hitchhike along the highway.

Part of it being largely native girls is that the reservations tend to be some distance away from the commercial/service centres. One of the larger reserves near Smithers is Moricetown. Most of the kids there bus in to Smithers fo recreation and school (if they bother to go), but it's a 30-something km trip. Lots of them can't afford a car, or can't drive one because they lost their license, or something, so hitchiking is very common. (If you can't afford a car, you can't afford a cab out there. And the shuttle bus runs only once or twice a day, if at all).

Honestly I think if the communities banded together for some kind of car-pooling system (the reserves in particular are small and fairly close-knit communities, despite the serious social problems), I think that would go a long way to helping alleviate this problem.
 
2012-06-15 07:47:21 AM

Frontspac: Honestly I think if the communities banded together for some kind of car-pooling system (the reserves in particular are small and fairly close-knit communities, despite the serious social problems), I think that would go a long way to helping alleviate this problem.


Even if there is no serial killer, this is a good idea. The wilderness is called the wild for a reason.
 
2012-06-15 07:49:14 AM
Hundreds of officers raided a house in Isle Pierre, close to Highway 16, following a tip-off.

Clearly bullshiat. Counting Prince George there's probably just barely a hundred cops along the entire stretch of highway. Like, even LAPD SWAT raids on big drug dens probably don't involve "hundreds" of guys, much less this.

Also I can't possibly re-iterate just how much of a shiat-hole Prince George is.
 
2012-06-15 07:50:38 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Even if there is no serial killer, this is a good idea. The wilderness is called the wild for a reason.


A mountain lion or two is a real possibility.
 
2012-06-15 07:53:17 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Frontspac: Honestly I think if the communities banded together for some kind of car-pooling system (the reserves in particular are small and fairly close-knit communities, despite the serious social problems), I think that would go a long way to helping alleviate this problem.

Even if there is no serial killer, this is a good idea. The wilderness is called the wild for a reason.


Well honestly wild animal attacks on their own aren't incredibly common, particularly near a highway where animals are likely to just be passing through.

The main issue is weather (drunk people dying of hypothermia out in the cold), and in relation to weather, bad/drunk drivers. Most of highway 16 is elevated, with an extremely narrow and soft shoulder. Not a lot of room to walk, windy road, lots of hills. Very, very easy for accidents to happen even without factoring in drunk driving or particularly bad weather.

Also, seriously, winter 6-months of the year. That's some gnarly driving. Pretty much anyone who's ever driven or ridden in a vehicle in northern BC for any stretch of their life will have at least a couple near-miss stories to tell you, regardless of how responsible they are.

I've walked that highway in the middle of the night. A semi-truck suddenly cresting a hill, blinding your ass, then passing you by mere feet while you try not to fall down a 15 food embankment is mildly disconcerting.
 
2012-06-15 07:56:01 AM

Coelacanth: A mountain lion or two is a real possibility.


Frontspac: Well honestly wild animal attacks on their own aren't incredibly common, particularly near a highway where animals are likely to just be passing through.


Oh come on you two! I didn't mean some overgrown cat is out there eating people. Weather is the biggest killer in the wild.
 
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