Tat'dGreaser: I still don't understand how some people think it's easier to stab someone than it is to shoot them. I have a feeling it's not like the movies when you stab someone.

According to movies, all you need to do is skin contact with a blade to make them drop to the floor.

I have this for decoration purposes.


It's a lovely piece.

Not sure why I italicized that.

Never brandish a weapon you aren't mentally prepared to take someone's life.

By threatening to use lethal force, you're going all-in... if you're bluffing, you're gonna lose.

A fearful person holding a weapon isn't a threat. A determined and confident person whose entire demeanor is screaming "I WILL farking kill you if you don't back the fark off".

This illustrates the fallacious thinking held by anti-weapon/pacifist types: they're afraid of the weapon itself, not the person holding it... and through projection think that everyone else shares that view. If they have a weapon, they often think of it as a magic talisman, that just merely displaying it will make people cower like a vampire confronted with a cross.

People who are familiar with weapons and understand violence know that a weapon is just a tool. Without deadly intent backing it up, a gun or a blade is no more of a threat than a marshmallow. Conversely, if you do have a combat mindset, ANYTHING is a weapon.

Tat'dGreaser: imfallen_angel: According to movies, all you need to do is skin contact with a blade to make them drop to the floor.

I don't think most of the guys in here understand how violent of a death it is when someone dies from a knife wound.

I saw this interview with this guy who had to kill someone in Iraq with his bayonet. While he was telling it, you could see in his face how much this experience really f*cked him up. Save yourself the therapy bills, shoot someone who breaks into your house.

Agreed,

I'd say a baseball bat used well would work fairly better if used right, (no guns here).

Technically you should have 2 goals during a break-in.

1 - protect yourself and loved ones

2 - stop the perp if possible, and even this is to do done under extreme measures only.

(3 - bonus point if you can restrain them properly until the arrival of the cops).

I say go for the legs, always for the legs first... you want to slow them down and get them incapacitated, and getting the legs out from under someone is the best way to start.

Tat'dGreaser: I still don't understand how some people think it's easier to stab someone than it is to shoot them.

See my previous comment. It's magical thinking: my talisman will repel evil by itself, all I need to do is hold it up.

clyph: Never brandish a weapon you aren't mentally prepared to take someone's life.

By threatening to use lethal force, you're going all-in... if you're bluffing, you're gonna lose.

A fearful person holding a weapon isn't a threat. A determined and confident person whose entire demeanor is screaming "I WILL farking kill you if you don't back the fark off".

This illustrates the fallacious thinking held by anti-weapon/pacifist types: they're afraid of the weapon itself, not the person holding it... and through projection think that everyone else shares that view. If they have a weapon, they often think of it as a magic talisman, that just merely displaying it will make people cower like a vampire confronted with a cross.

People who are familiar with weapons and understand violence know that a weapon is just a tool. Without deadly intent backing it up, a gun or a blade is no more of a threat than a marshmallow. Conversely, if you do have a combat mindset, ANYTHING is a weapon.

wow, you must be, like a brilliant psychologist or something.

He waved the display sword at them but minutes later, he found two youths on the landing outside his bedroom.

One of them stabbed him with the sword during an altercation before they ran off taking the weapon with them. It has not been found.

Subby fail

Hiro Protagonist unavailable for comment.

Farker Soze: best to use a gladius or wakizashi indoors.

THIS. A long blade is more of a liability than an asset in close quarters. Ideal length of a short sword should be equal to the distance between your wrist and armpit. Most replica gladii and wakizashis aren't sized correctly for modern people.

生兵法は大怪我の元。

clyph: Farker Soze: best to use a gladius or wakizashi indoors.

THIS. A long blade is more of a liability than an asset in close quarters. Ideal length of a short sword should be equal to the distance between your wrist and armpit. Most replica gladii and wakizashis aren't sized correctly for modern people.

You know a lot of words for swords and stuff.

He_Hate_Me: Seems fairly self-explanatory:





This was pretty much my thinking the first time I had sex.

CliChe Guevara: some_beer_drinker: a samurai sword is my weapon of choice for home defense.

I might rethink that if I were you.
For reference, I am iaidoku, and train daily in Eishin-ryū - and with shinken, not bokken. There is most often at least one actual Nihonto shinken, not some show sword, within my reach at any given time in my house and often in my vehicles in my dojo bag.

Given that, my chosen home defense weapon is a 12 ga. shotgun. My choice for pdw is a compact .40

Just sayin'

If this home defense shiat is universal in the US then you make me double glad I live in a country without public gun ownership!

She appears to know what the fark she's doing...

Melee weapons like Swords and knives should never be flashed to intimidate someone. Remember, if you are close enough to cut them they are close enough to take it from you.

If your weapon leaves its scabbord it should be to immediately stab someone.

He must be a ronin.

Using a sword correctly is pretty difficult. It's not really effective to swing it like an axe or a baseball bat.

Orgasmatron138: Using a sword correctly is pretty difficult. It's not really effective to swing it like an axe or a baseball bat.

Then use and axe or a baseball bat instead.

I keep an axe handle by my bed.

MoronLessOff: Orgasmatron138: Using a sword correctly is pretty difficult. It's not really effective to swing it like an axe or a baseball bat.

Then use and axe or a baseball bat instead.

I keep an axe handle by my bed.

Kinky.

If you haven't personally stabbed a burglar and entrapped his soul in the blood-red pommel-stone of your enchanted dagger, get the f*ck out.

gmoney101: If this home defense shiat is universal in the US then you make me double glad I live in a country without public gun ownership!

Yeah, we're happy you don't live here either. You'd be a liability.

In the game of life, you're an NPC.

theurge14: MoronLessOff: Orgasmatron138: Using a sword correctly is pretty difficult. It's not really effective to swing it like an axe or a baseball bat.

Then use and axe or a baseball bat instead.

I keep an axe handle by my bed.

Kinky.

I never thought about it that way, but now that you mention it...

Also, clicked profile out of habbit. +1 for The Urge!
/It's getting hectic
//It's getting crazy

MoronLessOff: theurge14: MoronLessOff: Orgasmatron138: Using a sword correctly is pretty difficult. It's not really effective to swing it like an axe or a baseball bat.

Then use and axe or a baseball bat instead.

I keep an axe handle by my bed.

Kinky.

I never thought about it that way, but now that you mention it...

Also, clicked profile out of habbit. +1 for The Urge!
/It's getting hectic
//It's getting crazy

Woot. I just jizzed at work.

Fano: cynicalbastard: Personally, indoors I'd go with a gladius. Or a kukhuri for the scary-looking-blade factor. The latter has a thick-as-hell back that you can use for non-lethal blows if you don't want body parts littering the floor.

Maybe a kris blade? Start cackling and they will know you are balls to the wall evul.

I'd use my antique khanjar, too. Nasty looking and when you scream out "Allahu Ackbar!" they just know things are gonna get all stabby and jihad-y.

A cautionary tale?

cynicalbastard: Fano: cynicalbastard: Personally, indoors I'd go with a gladius. Or a kukhuri for the scary-looking-blade factor. The latter has a thick-as-hell back that you can use for non-lethal blows if you don't want body parts littering the floor.

Maybe a kris blade? Start cackling and they will know you are balls to the wall evul.

I'd use my antique khanjar, too. Nasty looking and when you scream out "Allahu Ackbar!" they just know things are gonna get all stabby and jihad-y.

!ضحكت بصوت عال

clyph: Never brandish a weapon you aren't mentally prepared to take someone's life.

By threatening to use lethal force, you're going all-in... if you're bluffing, you're gonna lose.

A fearful person holding a weapon isn't a threat. A determined and confident person whose entire demeanor is screaming "I WILL farking kill you if you don't back the fark off".

This illustrates the fallacious thinking held by anti-weapon/pacifist types: they're afraid of the weapon itself, not the person holding it... and through projection think that everyone else shares that view. If they have a weapon, they often think of it as a magic talisman, that just merely displaying it will make people cower like a vampire confronted with a cross.

People who are familiar with weapons and understand violence know that a weapon is just a tool. Without deadly intent backing it up, a gun or a blade is no more of a threat than a marshmallow. Conversely, if you do have a combat mindset, ANYTHING is a weapon.

We are on the same page here.

If you're not prepared to use it, all that will happen is it will be taken away from you and used against you,.

Amateur...

Fortunately I have been trained in swordplay.

Unfortunately, most of the blades I have at home are display quality. Saving up for some nice Cold Steel.

JonnyBGoode: Fortunately I have been trained in swordplay.

Unfortunately, most of the blades I have at home are display quality. Saving up for some nice Cold Steel.


Don't do it, dude. Cold Steel blades have some impressive videos of the abuse they can take (and deliver), but they are a pretty far cry from a traditional sword - and a far cry from one usable for anything outside of limited types of tameshigiri.
They are extremely heavy and imbalanced, weighted far down the blade. The handling frankly sucks. They really lack any speed or agility at all, actually surprisingly clunky and unsubtle weapons. Great for impressive videos of people jamming them into car doors or cleaving through lumber, but unsuitable for actual swordplay.
They aren't quite a true katana really, and certainly not a sword well-suited for the traditional forms developed for the katana, more of a long cleaver of the type American teenagers and Hollywood movies think katanas work.

If you really want to tend toward the heavy side, like a heavy traditional Dotanuki ('torso cleaver') style blade, Look at the Ronin 'Dojo Pro' or a Cheness blade. For a traditional quick Tameshigiri sword on a budget look into someone like Munetoshi, especially the 'Light Cutter' or 'Matsu' - they are actually startlingly good for the cost, and competition cutting teams actually use them.

Just don't get the 'Flying Crowbar' from Cold Steel. I like the company and their other stuff, but the swords, definitely not.

Loving this thread!

As someone that has competed in sword fighting, and has a house full of just about every sort of bladed weapon, I sometimes am curious how exactly what I would reach for in case of a break in. Honestly, I think i would go for a machete. Sturdy, short enough for swings indoors, and gets the job done. For scare factor though, i'd probably grab a halbard, or my scythe for effect:D

Swordfighting_monk: Loving this thread!

As someone that has competed in sword fighting, and has a house full of just about every sort of bladed weapon, I sometimes am curious how exactly it would play out, and what I would reach for in case of a break in. Honestly, I think i would go for a machete. Sturdy, short enough for swings indoors, and gets the job done. For scare factor though, i'd probably grab a halbard, or my scythe for effect:D

/ftfm

Swordfighting_monk: For scare factor though, i'd probably grab a halbard, or my scythe for effect:D

I assume you have vary spacious rooms to swing one of those.

MoronLessOff: Swordfighting_monk: For scare factor though, i'd probably grab a halbard, or my scythe for effect:D

I assume you have vary spacious rooms to swing one of those.

A halbard, not really...but for all intents and purposes, i'd just it like a really beefy spear with the spike tip. Probably could do a horizontal swing in the middle of the room but nah, it'd mainly be for the scare factor. Machete, wakizashi, or the like would be best if business is meant i'd say...

cynicalbastard: Personally, indoors I'd go with a gladius. Or a kukhuri for the scary-looking-blade factor. The latter has a thick-as-hell back that you can use for non-lethal blows if you don't want body parts littering the floor.

If you just wanted to go long, a thrusting sword would be more manageable indoors than a slasher, so like a Rapier would work quite nice.

/especially if your opponent has 6 fingers on his right hand.

I've never had any problems fighting off intruders (believe me, I've had a few).

But, navigating stairs has always been difficult for me.

My sword is exactly 2.35 shaku long. My shotgun has a tad bit more range. Stairs aren't as much of an issue either.

Oldiron_79: cynicalbastard: Personally, indoors I'd go with a gladius. Or a kukhuri for the scary-looking-blade factor. The latter has a thick-as-hell back that you can use for non-lethal blows if you don't want body parts littering the floor.

If you just wanted to go long, a thrusting sword would be more manageable indoors than a slasher, so like a Rapier would work quite nice.

/especially if your opponent has 6 fingers on his right hand.

Rapier doesn't inflict nearly as disabling injuries as a gladius, with a wide blade with two effective cutting edges, nor the murderous incurved edge of a kukhuri or kopis-style blade. If I actually use a blade on someone, I want them to go into shock in seconds, not possibly die of peritonitis a week or a month later. George Silver has it right.

cynicalbastard: Oldiron_79: cynicalbastard: Personally, indoors I'd go with a gladius. Or a kukhuri for the scary-looking-blade factor. The latter has a thick-as-hell back that you can use for non-lethal blows if you don't want body parts littering the floor.

If you just wanted to go long, a thrusting sword would be more manageable indoors than a slasher, so like a Rapier would work quite nice.

/especially if your opponent has 6 fingers on his right hand.

Rapier doesn't inflict nearly as disabling injuries as a gladius, with a wide blade with two effective cutting edges, nor the murderous incurved edge of a kukhuri or kopis-style blade. If I actually use a blade on someone, I want them to go into shock in seconds, not possibly die of peritonitis a week or a month later. George Silver has it right.

well aim has a lot to do with it, I mean a rapier through the heart will stop someone near instant, a rapier through the arm not so much....

If someone was breaking in on me I've got a H&K USP .45 and a coach gun shotty loaded up with 3" magnums of 000 buckshot, so its not like I'm gonna be using a blade anyways.

Oldiron_79: cynicalbastard: Oldiron_79: cynicalbastard: Personally, indoors I'd go with a gladius. Or a kukhuri for the scary-looking-blade factor. The latter has a thick-as-hell back that you can use for non-lethal blows if you don't want body parts littering the floor.

If you just wanted to go long, a thrusting sword would be more manageable indoors than a slasher, so like a Rapier would work quite nice.

/especially if your opponent has 6 fingers on his right hand.

Rapier doesn't inflict nearly as disabling injuries as a gladius, with a wide blade with two effective cutting edges, nor the murderous incurved edge of a kukhuri or kopis-style blade. If I actually use a blade on someone, I want them to go into shock in seconds, not possibly die of peritonitis a week or a month later. George Silver has it right.

well aim has a lot to do with it, I mean a rapier through the heart will stop someone near instant, a rapier through the arm not so much....

If someone was breaking in on me I've got a H&K USP .45 and a coach gun shotty loaded up with 3" magnums of 000 buckshot, so its not like I'm gonna be using a blade anyways.

That's the thing with aim, in realistic terms your heart is a pretty small target, considering the rib cage and the fact that a rapier is easy to deflect with the arm or hand. Going after extremities first is a much better bet, as these can be crippled with a decent slash, which is as fast if not quicker than a thrusting action- the former requires only a wrist/forearm motion, the latter the whole arm is used.

CliChe Guevara:
Just don't get the 'Flying Crowbar' from Cold Steel. I like the company and their other stuff, but the swords, definitely not.

THIS.

A sword is *NOT* just a long knife, despite the superficial resemblance. Swordsmithing is it's own art, distinct from knifemaking.

There's a big difference between a real sword and a sword-shaped lump of steel, regardless of how well said lump of steel holds an edge.

Buckshot, indoors? You must not have any kids. My pistol pump has birdshot for the first three. That way the drywall stops the scatter. The final two are buck though, just in case he is determined.

clyph: CliChe Guevara:
Just don't get the 'Flying Crowbar' from Cold Steel. I like the company and their other stuff, but the swords, definitely not.

THIS.

A sword is *NOT* just a long knife, despite the superficial resemblance. Swordsmithing is it's own art, distinct from knifemaking.

There's a big difference between a real sword and a sword-shaped lump of steel, regardless of how well said lump of steel holds an edge.

I understand their 1796 LC sabre is not bad value for the money.
I make swords and I understand that things like hardness and blade steel in use are often below weight/balance. A 2-2.5 lb single-handed sword, with an edge hardness in the upper 40's, will be a far better fighting weapon than a 4-5 lb sword with a hardness 10 pts. harder that's still only a single-hand grip. Realistically, the targets swords have to cut are flesh and bone, and perhaps some cloth. You're not really going to get through any decent armour with a cut, anyhow, except to inflict some impact damage, and weapons like poleaxes and maces were far better at that sort of thing anyhow. A sword, historically, was a light, fast weapon meant for use against lightly armoured foes.