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2012-06-14 11:42:55 PM  
..so where's the video of the hot cheerleaders again?
 
2012-06-14 11:43:14 PM  
Does it matter?

We'll keep doubling down on the drug war/consuming it at mass quantities while blaming the other side for causing the problem.
 
2012-06-14 11:50:14 PM  
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Last seen hijacking a motorcade....

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//"I Wish. You Had. More Time."
 
2012-06-14 11:50:57 PM  

super_grass: Does it matter?

We'll keep doubling down on the drug war/consuming it at mass quantities while blaming the other side for causing the problem.


Yes because all the violence in Mexico would go away if you stoners got to smoke a joint.
 
2012-06-14 11:56:39 PM  

9beers: super_grass: Does it matter?

We'll keep doubling down on the drug war/consuming it at mass quantities while blaming the other side for causing the problem.

Yes because all the violence in Mexico would go away if you stoners got to smoke a joint.



Remind me what happened to all of the alchohol-running and bootlegging criminal violence once Alchohol was made legal in the U.S.

Didn't the bootlegging violence basically end overnight?
 
2012-06-14 11:56:55 PM  

9beers: super_grass: Does it matter?

We'll keep doubling down on the drug war/consuming it at mass quantities while blaming the other side for causing the problem.

Yes because all the violence in Mexico would go away if you stoners got to smoke a joint.


If you legalized all drugs how would the cartels then get money to buy police and guns and stuff? Have a bake sale?
 
2012-06-14 11:57:04 PM  

9beers: super_grass: Does it matter?

We'll keep doubling down on the drug war/consuming it at mass quantities while blaming the other side for causing the problem.

Yes because all the violence in Mexico would go away if you stoners got to smoke a joint.


It's an alternative to the current mess that at least has a logical basis (eg, defunding the criminality). What's your alternative?
 
2012-06-14 11:58:17 PM  
Hmm. Seeing the two comments above me, I sense that I've been successfully trolled.
 
2012-06-15 12:02:13 AM  

General Zang: Remind me what happened to all of the alchohol-running and bootlegging criminal violence once Alchohol was made legal in the U.S.

Didn't the bootlegging violence basically end overnight?



Once booze was legal, all of it was legal, there was no need for criminal activity. Even if you legalize weed, you still have a bunch of other illegal drugs that are going to be in demand. If anything, the gangs will become more violent because they'll be fighting for a smaller piece of the pie.
 
2012-06-15 12:04:25 AM  

9beers: General Zang: Remind me what happened to all of the alchohol-running and bootlegging criminal violence once Alchohol was made legal in the U.S.

Didn't the bootlegging violence basically end overnight?


Once booze was legal, all of it was legal, there was no need for criminal activity. Even if you legalize weed, you still have a bunch of other illegal drugs that are going to be in demand. If anything, the gangs will become more violent because they'll be fighting for a smaller piece of the pie.


that is why you legalize ALL drugs. yes, ALL drugs.
 
2012-06-15 12:06:14 AM  
So you legalize them all. Somehow people did okay at the turn of the century when you could just buy heroin and cocaine...over the counter. The world didn't end. Nobody was beheaded or created drugs that inspired others to eat people's faces off.

Legalize everything. It's retarded that they aren't even considering it.
 
2012-06-15 12:06:57 AM  

9beers: Yes because all the violence in Mexico would go away if you stoners got to smoke a joint.



Marijuana is the largest contributor to the coffers of cartels. Without it, they wouldn't be able to bribe officials and arm themselves like the military.
 
2012-06-15 12:07:53 AM  
Kidnapping is fast becoming the dominant form of social interaction in Mexico.
 
2012-06-15 12:08:14 AM  

9beers: If anything, the gangs will become more violent because they'll be fighting for a smaller piece of the pie.



And fighting for a smaller piece of the pie they wouldn't have nearly the resources nor the money to cause such violence in the numbers seen today.
 
2012-06-15 12:10:59 AM  

intelligent comment below: And fighting for a smaller piece of the pie they wouldn't have nearly the resources nor the money to cause such violence in the numbers seen today.


Are they making lease payments on their guns?
 
2012-06-15 12:18:51 AM  
My one-point plan to end the drug war:

1. Legalize and tax drugs.

And if for some reason that didn't work:

2. Bring nearly all American troops home from overseas.
3. Annex Mexico -- voluntarily, of course -- and have live-fire exercises against any cartel that still feels excitable. With no money coming in and vastly superior firepower arrayed against them, they might go into another line of work.
 
2012-06-15 12:21:27 AM  

intelligent comment below: 9beers: Yes because all the violence in Mexico would go away if you stoners got to smoke a joint.


Marijuana is the largest contributor to the coffers of cartels. Without it, they wouldn't be able to bribe officials and arm themselves like the military.


are you kidding ? no one smokes mexican weed besides mexicans and high school freshman. you are decades out of date. their money comes from intercepting the colombian coke business and meth manufacturing and export.
 
2012-06-15 12:24:39 AM  
We should send them more people to kidnap, so we'll know where they're getting them.
 
2012-06-15 12:25:38 AM  
I have been to Mexico many times and on nearly every occasion I was arrested and detained by the cops.

They have a very advanced type of law enforcement. You can be arrested, tried and fined quickly by a single officer without leaving the street. Pay the fine and you are on your way.

Of course there is no guarantee you will not be arrested again just moments later by another police man. That's just the way it works south of the border.
 
2012-06-15 12:25:45 AM  

schubie: So you legalize them all. Somehow people did okay at the turn of the century when you could just buy heroin and cocaine...over the counter. The world didn't end. Nobody was beheaded or created drugs that inspired others to eat people's faces off.


Which raises the question, do you then legalize the drugs that do inspire others to eat people's faces off? Or the one (PCP) which caused that father in Florida to eat his four-year-old son's eyeballs, as mentioned in a Fark thread of a couple of years back? I'm all for letting people consume poison if only their own bodies and mental equilibrium are on the line -- that's no more than natural selection at work, after all -- but it's difficult to know what to think when those same people put the well-being or even the lives of others in danger as a result of their pharmaceutical adventures.

(And incidentally, why is there such a large overlap between those who urge the legalization of drugs and those who are in favour of heavily taxing or restricting other kinds of behaviour that might result in a larger drain on health- care expenses or other instances of "the public good"? Wouldn't legal but heavily- taxed narcotics still encourage a black market?)
 
2012-06-15 12:28:59 AM  

9beers: General Zang: Remind me what happened to all of the alchohol-running and bootlegging criminal violence once Alchohol was made legal in the U.S.

Didn't the bootlegging violence basically end overnight?


Once booze was legal, all of it was legal, there was no need for criminal activity. Even if you legalize weed, you still have a bunch of other illegal drugs that are going to be in demand. If anything, the gangs will become more violent because they'll be fighting for a smaller piece of the pie.


But those only involved in the marijuana portion would at least be out of the game - and yes, some piece of each cartel is only involved in marijuana production.

Do you have a better solution to offer?

The status quo perhaps?
 
2012-06-15 12:30:19 AM  

T.M.S.: I have been to Mexico many times and on nearly every occasion I was arrested and detained by the cops.

They have a very advanced type of law enforcement. You can be arrested, tried and fined quickly by a single officer without leaving the street. Pay the fine and you are on your way.

Of course there is no guarantee you will not be arrested again just moments later by another police man. That's just the way it works south of the border.


Hell my buddy was actually kidnapped by the police in TJ. They forced him in a van and made him strip to look for hidden money. When they didn't find much money and he had nothing else they could take, they stopped the van and threw him and his clothes out, and then sped off. After he told me that we both decided to never go to Mexico again. This went way beyond a simple street bribe.
 
2012-06-15 12:35:52 AM  
nino malos, nino malos, ¿que vas a hacer?
 
2012-06-15 12:36:14 AM  

Psychohazard: Hmm. Seeing the two comments above me, I sense that I've been successfully trolled.


heh, sucker
 
2012-06-15 12:39:38 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: schubie: So you legalize them all. Somehow people did okay at the turn of the century when you could just buy heroin and cocaine...over the counter. The world didn't end. Nobody was beheaded or created drugs that inspired others to eat people's faces off.

Which raises the question, do you then legalize the drugs that do inspire others to eat people's faces off? Or the one (PCP) which caused that father in Florida to eat his four-year-old son's eyeballs, as mentioned in a Fark thread of a couple of years back? I'm all for letting people consume poison if only their own bodies and mental equilibrium are on the line -- that's no more than natural selection at work, after all -- but it's difficult to know what to think when those same people put the well-being or even the lives of others in danger as a result of their pharmaceutical adventures.

(And incidentally, why is there such a large overlap between those who urge the legalization of drugs and those who are in favour of heavily taxing or restricting other kinds of behaviour that might result in a larger drain on health- care expenses or other instances of "the public good"? Wouldn't legal but heavily- taxed narcotics still encourage a black market?)


Those drugs exist BECAUSE of prohibition. PCP is actually pretty cheap compared to heroin or cocaine. Take heroin and coke off of the black market and make it affordable. DON'T TAX THE shiat OUT OF IT. Let people buy it like they buy booze. An alcoholic (a far worse addiction, mentally, spiritually and physically then all of the rest) can survive because they can afford to maintain their habit. They don't have to go and rob someone or break a store window or jimmy the lock to a garage and take a lawnmower to pawn. They can just turn in a few empties from the day before. Voila, more booze. Legalize coke, heroin and weed, drop the price on it and I guarantee people aren't going to look for PCP. The people whose drug of choice is PCP are damn near nonexistant now. I've never met or even heard of any. Give them a better and cheaper alternative and it will die out completely.
 
2012-06-15 12:41:01 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist:
Which raises the question, do you then legalize the drugs that do inspire others to eat people's faces off? Or the one (PCP) which caused that father in Florida to eat his four-year-old son's eyeballs, as mentioned in a Fark thread of a couple of years back? I'm all for letting people consume poison if only their own bodies and mental equilibrium are on the line -- that's no more than natural selection at work, after all -- but it's difficult to know what to think when those same people put the well-being or even the lives of others in danger as a result of their pharmaceutical adventures.


You assume that because they are made legal suddenly everyone would be using it. You can go buy some paint and huff it right now. Hell, even kids can buy it. How many people actually do it?

(And incidentally, why is there such a large overlap between those who urge the legalization of drugs and those who are in favour of heavily taxing or restricting other kinds of behaviour that might result in a larger drain on health- care expenses or other instances of "the public good"? Wouldn't legal but heavily- taxed narcotics still encourage a black market?)

Just like the current huge and destructive black market for alcohol?
 
2012-06-15 12:49:37 AM  
Farking disgusting, and it's all caused by the money generated from drugs being illegal. Another vote for legalizing all drugs.
 
2012-06-15 12:54:44 AM  

vodka: You assume that because they are made legal suddenly everyone would be using it. You can go buy some paint and huff it right now. Hell, even kids can buy it. How many people actually do it?


Hmm, I don't remember making any assumption or statement of the kind... but I do assume, reasonably enough, that the same people who are using "bath salts" or PCP would still continue to do so under legalization, but without risking any legal penalties that would discourage them from exploring their habit to an ever more prolonged and destructive extent.

It has been noted that when Mao Tse- Tung took over China in 1947 and made opium consumption punishable by death, tens of millions of addicts managed to kick the habit overnight.

Just like the current huge and destructive black market for alcohol?

If you live in the US, you have no idea just how cheap your alcohol actually is... here in Canada and other countries where booze taxation is higher, the black market for it is correspondingly greater.
 
2012-06-15 12:58:03 AM  

9beers: Are they making lease payments on their guns?


You think the guys firing the guns do it for charity?


Mimic_Octopus: are you kidding ? no one smokes mexican weed besides mexicans and high school freshman. you are decades out of date. their money comes from intercepting the colombian coke business and meth manufacturing and export.



That's funny you think the cartels only deal with low quality dirt weed. Talk about out of date.

You think the good stuff you buy today is from mom and pop shops?
 
2012-06-15 12:59:51 AM  
Wasn't this a plot point for Max Payne 3? Is there an organ ring we don't know about?
 
2012-06-15 01:03:24 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: vodka: You assume that because they are made legal suddenly everyone would be using it. You can go buy some paint and huff it right now. Hell, even kids can buy it. How many people actually do it?

Hmm, I don't remember making any assumption or statement of the kind... but I do assume, reasonably enough, that the same people who are using "bath salts" or PCP would still continue to do so under legalization, but without risking any legal penalties that would discourage them from exploring their habit to an ever more prolonged and destructive extent.

It has been noted that when Mao Tse- Tung took over China in 1947 and made opium consumption punishable by death, tens of millions of addicts managed to kick the habit overnight.

Just like the current huge and destructive black market for alcohol?

If you live in the US, you have no idea just how cheap your alcohol actually is... here in Canada and other countries where booze taxation is higher, the black market for it is correspondingly greater.


dude totally. I was talkin to an aussie and he was given me shiat bc our beer is so cheap.
 
2012-06-15 01:09:46 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: intelligent comment below: 9beers: Yes because all the violence in Mexico would go away if you stoners got to smoke a joint.


Marijuana is the largest contributor to the coffers of cartels. Without it, they wouldn't be able to bribe officials and arm themselves like the military.

are you kidding ? no one smokes mexican weed besides mexicans and high school freshman. you are decades out of date. their money comes from intercepting the colombian coke business and meth manufacturing and export.


Actually, the DEA disagrees with you on this. Most of their money still comes from pot. Not that many people actually do coke or meth. Lots of people smoke pot - yes, even Mexican ditchweed. Oh, and there are a lot of Mexicans* in this country.

* Mexican being defined as anyone with an hispanic last name who may have been born anywhere south of the Rio Grande or Puerto Rico, Arizona, New Mexico, California, Colorado, Texas or quite frankly anywhere else north of the Rio Grande and possibly even Spain, Portugal or Italy. Maybe even Iran.
 
2012-06-15 01:21:49 AM  

General Zang: 9beers: super_grass: Does it matter?

We'll keep doubling down on the drug war/consuming it at mass quantities while blaming the other side for causing the problem.

Yes because all the violence in Mexico would go away if you stoners got to smoke a joint.


Remind me what happened to all of the alchohol-running and bootlegging criminal violence once Alchohol was made legal in the U.S.

Didn't the bootlegging violence basically end overnight?


Actually 9beers is finally correct about something for once. If drugs were legalized the violence in Mexico wouldn't stop. The cartels, now being able to become legal companies, would be fighting over the right to become a legal supplier of drugs that are produced in Mexico or by Mexicans, like heroin and weed. Plus the cartels' only revenue stream isn't drugs, they have their hands in human smuggling and other legal and illegal businesses.

And as for your question about bootlegging violence, it didn't end after prohibition. It went down, but ir was still there. And the reason why it went down is because the mob got mostly out of it and used the money they made in it to go into other things.
 
2012-06-15 01:21:59 AM  

9beers: Once booze was legal, all of it was legal, there was no need for criminal activity. Even if you legalize weed, you still have a bunch of other illegal drugs that are going to be in demand. If anything, the gangs will become more violent because they'll be fighting for a smaller piece of the pie.


Remove pot the pie gets 90% smaller. Might say that pot enforcement is a distraction for the police since the social benefit is negative.
 
2012-06-15 01:36:50 AM  
So, how is assisting the Mexican government with the war on (some) drugs any different than Fast and Furious?
 
2012-06-15 01:41:48 AM  
I'd like to see those pig cowards try that with me!
 
2012-06-15 01:44:55 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: intelligent comment below: 9beers: Yes because all the violence in Mexico would go away if you stoners got to smoke a joint.


Marijuana is the largest contributor to the coffers of cartels. Without it, they wouldn't be able to bribe officials and arm themselves like the military.

are you kidding ? no one smokes mexican weed besides mexicans and high school freshman. you are decades out of date. their money comes from intercepting the colombian coke business and meth manufacturing and export.


Not saying your whole argument is wrong, but somebody is smoking the Mexican stuff. Hundreds of pounds of it are intercepted daily on the Texas border alone. That doesn't count NM, AZ, or CA, and who knows how much gets across undetected. They wouldn't be sending so much here if there weren't buyers for it.

On the other hand, there's been a huge increase in the amount of Meth the cartels are bringing across lately too.
 
2012-06-15 01:46:40 AM  

DrPainMD: So, how is assisting the Mexican government with the war on (some) drugs any different than Fast and Furious?


Because Racism if you question an African-American attorney general, that's why, you cracker. Embedded inside your supposedly reasonable question are many secret "dog whistle" racial slurs only detectable to those wielding the secret Racial Decoder Ring.
 
2012-06-15 01:51:44 AM  

DrPainMD: So, how is assisting the Mexican government with the war on (some) drugs any different than Fast and Furious?


Because believe it or not, not all of the govt is corrupt (as far as drug cartels go anyway). The Mexican people are getting fed up with the violence and are starting to push for real change. The police force is unreliable, but the Mex military has had some pretty serious battles against the Cartels and seems to be a little more trustworthy.

Assistance from us isn't really the problem, it's how and who we assist that gets things screwed up (e.g. Fast and Furious)
 
2012-06-15 02:41:58 AM  

PetraeusWJ: DrPainMD: So, how is assisting the Mexican government with the war on (some) drugs any different than Fast and Furious?

Because believe it or not, not all of the govt is corrupt (as far as drug cartels go anyway). The Mexican people are getting fed up with the violence and are starting to push for real change. The police force is unreliable, but the Mex military has had some pretty serious battles against the Cartels and seems to be a little more trustworthy.

Assistance from us isn't really the problem, it's how and who we assist that gets things screwed up (e.g. Fast and Furious)


If it wasn't for assistance (and insistence) from us, there would be no drug war, either here or in Mexico.
 
2012-06-15 03:07:51 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Wouldn't legal but heavily- taxed narcotics still encourage a black market?


Is there a big black market for cigarettes and booze?
 
2012-06-15 03:11:14 AM  

PetraeusWJ: Not saying your whole argument is wrong, but somebody is smoking the Mexican stuff. Hundreds of pounds of it are intercepted daily on the Texas border alone. That doesn't count NM, AZ, or CA, and who knows how much gets across undetected. They wouldn't be sending so much here if there weren't buyers for it.

On the other hand, there's been a huge increase in the amount of Meth the cartels are bringing across lately too.



No. His whole argument is wrong and he should feel bad.

Just kidding, we all know only the agency is making a profit from drug sales.
 
2012-06-15 03:27:10 AM  

schubie: So you legalize them all. Somehow people did okay at the turn of the century when you could just buy heroin and cocaine...over the counter. The world didn't end. Nobody was beheaded or created drugs that inspired others to eat people's faces off.

Legalize everything. It's retarded that they aren't even considering it.


More interesting would be if America kept its drug laws, but Mexico changed theirs, and thereby forced all the thugs to become businessmen. And probably more realistic in terms of happening. Whole new dynamics could come into play, though not overnight.
 
2012-06-15 05:02:07 AM  
The "legalize all drugs" argument is a bit simplistic, IMHO. PCP should never be legalized. Just do a google search for "Daddy ate my eyes", and you'll see why.

Happy medium: give any drug desired to registered drug users, and immediately euthanise anyone who expresses an interest in taking PCP.
 
2012-06-15 05:53:45 AM  

9beers: Yes because all the violence in Mexico would go away if you stoners got to smoke a joint.


As far as I can tell, doing nothing about drug abuse causes less damage than continuing the "war on drugs." The prohibition comparisons made in this thread are apt.
 
2012-06-15 07:09:54 AM  

schubie: So you legalize them all. Somehow people did okay at the turn of the century when you could just buy heroin and cocaine...over the counter. The world didn't end. Nobody was beheaded or created drugs that inspired others to eat people's faces off.

Legalize everything. It's retarded that they aren't even considering it.


In a world where things are supposed to be just and sensible, yes.

But we live in a world where everything is about money, so, it's the furthest thing FROM retarded - from a business perspective. In fact, the more I look at these failed policies and wars, the more apparent this becomes.
 
2012-06-15 07:19:37 AM  
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2012-06-15 07:40:17 AM  
A friend of my step-father lives on the border in Texas, and drives into Mexico to work. Recently he was forced off the road by Mexican police, grabbed out of his truck, beaten, and robbed. Kind of shaken up about it, he hasn't gone back as he's not quite sure WTF it was all about.

/CSB
 
2012-06-15 08:55:31 AM  
That's some fine work, Luis.
 
2012-06-15 09:18:18 AM  
Where are your Mexico vacation apologists now?
 
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