SubBass49: As a high school art teacher, I cannot afford to replace khakis all the time, thus, I wear jeans or shorts most days. Dress shirts are the same deal. Give me a wardrobe-allowance and I'll play ball (the same way the superintendent gets a travel-allowance above his six-figure salary). Otherwise, STFU and let me teach my subject matter.
Joce678: "Griffin said tattoos, especially sleeve tattoos, can appear unprofessional, offensive or distracting."They're employing ex-cons as teachers?
awfulperson: SubBass49: As a high school art teacher, I cannot afford to replace khakis all the time, thus, I wear jeans or shorts most days. Dress shirts are the same deal. Give me a wardrobe-allowance and I'll play ball (the same way the superintendent gets a travel-allowance above his six-figure salary). Otherwise, STFU and let me teach my subject matter.An art teacher? THAT DOESN'T COUNT. You are supposed to look like a burned out hippie with paint-covered jeans and a ponytail. Same goes for shop teachers, who all wear the stained, short-sleeved button-down polyester shirts, and the gym teachers who wear ball-hugging sweatshorts. YOU GUYS ARE THE EXCEPTIONS.
umad: ShannonKW: pkellmey: Sure, because as we all know, everyone outside of the education industry is the problem with education. Gotcha, but still an unoriginal complaint.You say it sarcastically, but I think that educational outcomes are a relatively weak function of quality of instruction. Lots of other factors are more important, particularly above a certain basic level of teacher competence. MIT and Cambridge get good outcomes not because of godlike professors (many of whom scarcely condescend to interact with their students) but because they get MIT and Cambridge-caliber students who can study in an MIT and Cambridge-caliber environment.Putting educational outcomes on teacher quality is like attributing the speed of your car to the quality of its motor oil. Sure, bad oil can affect performance, but other factors dominate, such as the pressure on the accelerator and what make of car you have in the first place.Well then we should just cut the public education system and save ourselves a shiatload of money. After all, the teachers aren't making much of a difference. The kids will get almost as smart all by themselves.If we want to fix our education system, we could start by hiring people who take responsibility for their successes and their failures. I don't think there is a bigger group of "pass the buck" assholes out there than teachers parents.
Fissile: stonicus: Fissile:Point is you are supposed to dress appropriately for a the job you do, and the place where you do it. You may be an engineer with a masters, but I'd think you were a complete tool if you showed up at a dirty job site dressed in Brooks Brothers and wingtips. On the other hand, if I showed up at your professional engineering office, and you came out to greet me wearing shorts and flip-flops, I'd have some questions about your level of maturity.First example, his clothes might actually hinder him from doing the job, either they're not made for rough use or the guy is going to go out of hiw to not mess them up.Second example, his clothes have no influence what-so-ever on whether he can do the job or not. The only limit is your arbitrary judgement system that says if a guy is wearing pants and a sports coat, his code magically works better.=================How old are you? I really hope you are not over 25. Despite what you may think, people DO make snap judgments about you withing the first few minutes of meeting you. Numerous psychological studies have been done on this very topic. We draw conclusions about others within seconds of first meeting them, conclusions we will find hard to shake in the future, even if we see evidence to disprove them. How you dress is one of the factors in how people judge you.
sp86: Cultural or not, Traditional Warrior Tattoos are meant to intimidate as much as decorate. Like those that denote a Mungglot (SP?) in the Kalinga tradition.
Fissile: stonicus: awfulperson: It may sound silly, but the truth is that many teachers just don't know how to dress for work; I think, though, it's indicative of the fact that we have an ENTIRE CULTURE that doesn't know how to dress professionally.Or, we have a new generation that doesn't share the older generation's value system.If you dress up in a suit and tie and come to where I work, my boss might actually send you home to change. He's very pragmatic and practical. He understands being comfortable is more productive than looking some arbitrary part. I wore a suit and tie one time, we had some inspectors in the lab. I never heard the end of it. All day long he picked at me about how uncomfortable I looked, an d he was right, I was miserable, I got nothing done that day.But I will never roll up in here in flip flops.. well, I wear sandals sometimes in the summer. I won't come in here in t-shirts... wait, I'm wearing one now. Well, if I do wear a t-shirt, it will just be a solid color and classy... well, wait I'm wearing my Lambda Lambda Lambda t-shirt today... where I work, being comfortable and productive IS professional.===============Dressing like an adult doesn't mean you have to be uncomfortable.How to Dress Like a Man
Fissile: You didn't real the article all the way through, because it's not heavy on suits, it's heavy on big boy pants and sports coats. Big boy pants with a sports coat is not a suit./Only own 3 suits
Fissile: Dressing like an adult doesn't mean you have to be uncomfortable.How to Dress Like a Man
awfulperson: It may sound silly, but the truth is that many teachers just don't know how to dress for work; I think, though, it's indicative of the fact that we have an ENTIRE CULTURE that doesn't know how to dress professionally.
Mikey1969: I don't see the problem with Jeans that get everyone's panties bunched they way they get yours twisted. They are durable, I can make them last 2-3 years per pair, and I wear them daily. They are decently warm in the winter, and not ridiculously hot in the summer. Spilled things like printer toner, ink, etc, don't ruin them, and the standard blue color makes a good neutral match with almost anything.Ripped jeans are a different story, though.
Mikey1969: Now, to be fair, they finally broke down when I was in high school back in the 80's, and let us wear shorts to school, as well as tank tops. Without some kind of guidelines in place, all Hell breaks loose. They thought ahead about shorts and stopped short-shorts before they could show up, but they forgot to have any regulation about tank tops. We had a few weeks of VERY interesting school before they said the same thing about cleavage that this policy says. I remember one girl wearing two tanks tops, and still showing us everything but nipple, so I can understand why they need to set a standard on some stuff. Most of this is idiotic though. Interestingly enough, this was in AZ as well, maybe they just like to flap the boobies in AZ?
umad: lolMaybe you should actually read the post I was responding to. I do appreciate how you illustrated my point for me though. That's right, it is everybody's fault but yours that you suck at your job. Keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it will fix things.
awfulperson: But there are others who live, LIVE for jeans days.
skinink: Joce678: "Griffin said tattoos, especially sleeve tattoos, can appear unprofessional, offensive or distracting."They're employing ex-cons as teachers?i think it's so stupid when i see these young adults who are covered in them and expect me to be impressed. tats are ugly to me. i would never even consider getting one. it makes me laugh when i hear people say that they got theirs to define who they are personally. hahaha, are you kidding me? how can they be individuals when they are the very definition of conformity? EVERYONE nowadays, seems to have them. i have noticed also that many people who have them want people to be scared of them. why? why should i be scared of you? what,because you're a nut case with poor impulse control?it's like ok i get it; you have a lot of tattoos. i get it,you like wasting your money. i get it,you have a disposable income. why don't these people really try to be different? whenever they do get 'em,their tats are ALWAYS--- THE SAME! hey look at me, i have a tribal tat. yeah, you and 47 million others.what's your point?you wanna impress me? don't get one! tats are almost always associated with people who make bad choices in life. some of these choices affect only them,but unfortunately, most of their choices negatively impact innocent people's lives. like gangs-for instance;they are always covered in them.
ShannonKW: pkellmey: ShannonKW: A school teacher is not some rare, highly trained professional in the same class as a transplant surgeon or a robotics engineer.I believe you may have found the possible problem right there.If you think that a realistic solution to the problem is insisting that teachers be highly trained professionals in the same class as transplant surgeons and robotics engineers, you are the problem.
pkellmey: ShannonKW: A school teacher is not some rare, highly trained professional in the same class as a transplant surgeon or a robotics engineer.I believe you may have found the possible problem right there.
Terrible Old Man: Flip-flops? Really? Who the blue hell thinks flip-flops are the devil?
larrycot: Bathia_Mapes: larrycot: My kids attend this district.My understanding is it's a single governing board member who has been on this tirade for years. She once saw a big-boobed teacher wearing flip-flops at school and had a tizzy. Now every year, she brings it up. Every year, it gets tabled.BTW, this is the same district that had the principal suspended a few years back for sending home the fake field trip letter.Do you recall what the letter said? The article connected to the thread you listed is no longer available.Hold on while I find it......... Thanks for waiting.The letter in question.
larrycot: She once saw a big-boobed teacher wearing flip-flops at school and had a tizzy
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