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2012-06-15 08:04:53 AM
6 votes:
I'm a teacher (though I don't teach in the U.S. nor do I teach kids) I find it striking how unrealistic people are in their expectations for teachers, particularly public school teachers.

A school teacher is not some rare, highly trained professional in the same class as a transplant surgeon or a robotics engineer. Children compose a huge segment of society, and every child is entitled to the regular attention of at least half a dozen teachers. There simply aren't enough clean-cut, chaste, altruistic, patient, devoted, inspiring paragons of wisdom and compassion to go round.

The obvious mathematics of the situation should tell you that your teachers can't be much better than the average educated person. Your teachers, like it or not, are going to reflect the society from which they are hired, i.e. they're going to look like Americans, dress like Americans, talk like Americans, smoke as much dope as Americans, and apply the same work ethic as Americans.

You can nudge those standards upward a bit the more you want to pay. You're never going to get the Jesus-like pipe dream everyone feels entitled to that shiats puppies, rainbows, and six sigma outcomes. You can have the pressed shirt and the top button buttoned, but it'll cost a lot because (see above) that's a lot of pressed shirts and buttoned buttons. As it is, you're getting what you pay for, which is a certified university graduate whose best career option is dealing with poop-flinging primates and their blameless progenitors without going to jail.
2012-06-14 09:43:11 PM
3 votes:
Elementary school teachers show up with undergarments showing and their rack hanging out? I would have been scarred for life if any of my elementary school teachers did. Of course, none of them looked like this:


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2012-06-15 06:20:19 PM
2 votes:

SubBass49: As a high school art teacher, I cannot afford to replace khakis all the time, thus, I wear jeans or shorts most days. Dress shirts are the same deal. Give me a wardrobe-allowance and I'll play ball (the same way the superintendent gets a travel-allowance above his six-figure salary). Otherwise, STFU and let me teach my subject matter.


An art teacher? THAT DOESN'T COUNT. You are supposed to look like a burned out hippie with paint-covered jeans and a ponytail. Same goes for shop teachers, who all wear the stained, short-sleeved button-down polyester shirts, and the gym teachers who wear ball-hugging sweatshorts. YOU GUYS ARE THE EXCEPTIONS.
2012-06-15 08:55:06 AM
2 votes:
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2012-06-15 08:03:09 AM
2 votes:

Joce678: "Griffin said tattoos, especially sleeve tattoos, can appear unprofessional, offensive or distracting."

They're employing ex-cons as teachers?


You don't get out much, huh?
2012-06-15 12:32:55 AM
2 votes:
What a travesty.

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2012-06-15 06:40:23 PM
1 votes:

awfulperson: SubBass49: As a high school art teacher, I cannot afford to replace khakis all the time, thus, I wear jeans or shorts most days. Dress shirts are the same deal. Give me a wardrobe-allowance and I'll play ball (the same way the superintendent gets a travel-allowance above his six-figure salary). Otherwise, STFU and let me teach my subject matter.

An art teacher? THAT DOESN'T COUNT. You are supposed to look like a burned out hippie with paint-covered jeans and a ponytail. Same goes for shop teachers, who all wear the stained, short-sleeved button-down polyester shirts, and the gym teachers who wear ball-hugging sweatshorts. YOU GUYS ARE THE EXCEPTIONS.


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My auto shop teacher and metal shop teacher wore blue shop coats. My wood shop teacher wore jeans and flannel shirts. A couple of years after I graduated, all the shop classes were eliminated, and replaced with computer lab.
2012-06-15 05:42:07 PM
1 votes:

umad: ShannonKW: pkellmey: Sure, because as we all know, everyone outside of the education industry is the problem with education. Gotcha, but still an unoriginal complaint.

You say it sarcastically, but I think that educational outcomes are a relatively weak function of quality of instruction. Lots of other factors are more important, particularly above a certain basic level of teacher competence. MIT and Cambridge get good outcomes not because of godlike professors (many of whom scarcely condescend to interact with their students) but because they get MIT and Cambridge-caliber students who can study in an MIT and Cambridge-caliber environment.

Putting educational outcomes on teacher quality is like attributing the speed of your car to the quality of its motor oil. Sure, bad oil can affect performance, but other factors dominate, such as the pressure on the accelerator and what make of car you have in the first place.

Well then we should just cut the public education system and save ourselves a shiatload of money. After all, the teachers aren't making much of a difference. The kids will get almost as smart all by themselves.

If we want to fix our education system, we could start by hiring people who take responsibility for their successes and their failures. I don't think there is a bigger group of "pass the buck" assholes out there than teachers parents.


Fixed that for you.
2012-06-15 03:15:32 PM
1 votes:

Fissile: stonicus: Fissile:
Point is you are supposed to dress appropriately for a the job you do, and the place where you do it. You may be an engineer with a masters, but I'd think you were a complete tool if you showed up at a dirty job site dressed in Brooks Brothers and wingtips. On the other hand, if I showed up at your professional engineering office, and you came out to greet me wearing shorts and flip-flops, I'd have some questions about your level of maturity.

First example, his clothes might actually hinder him from doing the job, either they're not made for rough use or the guy is going to go out of hiw to not mess them up.

Second example, his clothes have no influence what-so-ever on whether he can do the job or not. The only limit is your arbitrary judgement system that says if a guy is wearing pants and a sports coat, his code magically works better.

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How old are you? I really hope you are not over 25. Despite what you may think, people DO make snap judgments about you withing the first few minutes of meeting you. Numerous psychological studies have been done on this very topic. We draw conclusions about others within seconds of first meeting them, conclusions we will find hard to shake in the future, even if we see evidence to disprove them. How you dress is one of the factors in how people judge you.


They do. And some people will see a guy in a suit and write them off in their heads. When I see a cop in a suit, I think douche. How the hell does a tie help you catch criminals? When I see a restaurant manager in a suit, I think douche. Does that sports coat make the soup taste better? When I see a programmer in a suit, I think total dumb ass.

I100% get the concept you're trying to point out, I just disagree with what you consider to be appropriate attire. And I am fully aware I in the minority in my fashion open mindedness.

Not only is it important in how people judge your business/professional competence, but it also affects the way the opposite sex thinks of you. Case in point: I recently overheard some young ladies talking about a bar they visited in NYC last weekend. One of the girls stated that the males patronizing said bar were, "Overgrown frat boys dressed in baggy shorts, flip-flops and ball caps." The other women rolled their eyes after hearing this.

Sound like biatches... but if that's the kind of girl you'd like, power to you.

/Every woman loves a sharp dressed man

Every girl's crazy bout a sharp dressed man. At least get the lyrics right. =)
2012-06-15 02:10:42 PM
1 votes:

sp86: Cultural or not, Traditional Warrior Tattoos are meant to intimidate as much as decorate. Like those that denote a Mungglot (SP?) in the Kalinga tradition.


I'm sorry, but you can't point to a isolated single example and say, "That's why all Polynesian cultures tattoo." In Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, and Maori, it is a right of passage for both men and women, indicating family lineage and social status. In Borneo, they indicate personal history as well indicating where someone has lived and events like the birth of a child.

Tattoo's may frighten you, but that does not mean that is the intent they were applied.
2012-06-15 01:52:22 PM
1 votes:

Fissile: stonicus: awfulperson: It may sound silly, but the truth is that many teachers just don't know how to dress for work; I think, though, it's indicative of the fact that we have an ENTIRE CULTURE that doesn't know how to dress professionally.

Or, we have a new generation that doesn't share the older generation's value system.
If you dress up in a suit and tie and come to where I work, my boss might actually send you home to change. He's very pragmatic and practical. He understands being comfortable is more productive than looking some arbitrary part. I wore a suit and tie one time, we had some inspectors in the lab. I never heard the end of it. All day long he picked at me about how uncomfortable I looked, an d he was right, I was miserable, I got nothing done that day.

But I will never roll up in here in flip flops.. well, I wear sandals sometimes in the summer. I won't come in here in t-shirts... wait, I'm wearing one now. Well, if I do wear a t-shirt, it will just be a solid color and classy... well, wait I'm wearing my Lambda Lambda Lambda t-shirt today... where I work, being comfortable and productive IS professional.

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Dressing like an adult doesn't mean you have to be uncomfortable.

How to Dress Like a Man


Whoever wrote that knows little about men's clothing, and even less about society since 1955.
2012-06-15 01:08:25 PM
1 votes:

Fissile: You didn't real the article all the way through, because it's not heavy on suits, it's heavy on big boy pants and sports coats. Big boy pants with a sports coat is not a suit.

/Only own 3 suits


Call it whatever name you will, but on a comfort scale, pants and sports coat = suit to me
I realize this stuff matters to majority of people, but it just doesn't to me.
Sometimes I wish it did, life would be easier if I could fit in better and understand why these kinds of things matter to someone. I routinely go shopping in my pj's and don't even think twice about it.
2012-06-15 12:50:13 PM
1 votes:

Fissile:
Dressing like an adult doesn't mean you have to be uncomfortable.

How to Dress Like a Man


FTA: Well, it is also comfortable not to shave and not to bathe, and we have a word for people like that: slobs. If you don't want to be a slob, you have to live with a bit of discomfort.

Not shaving is itchy. Not bathing makes me feel greasy and my smelly. Neither of those are comfortable to me.

The article is heavy on suits. Tto me, suits are stupid. They look ridiculous, and I don't understand the fascination with them. I will never wear a tie. I like to breathe. I am 100% willing to accept I am in the minority and that I care about what a person can do not what they wear. But, someone in a suit, not only do they not impress me, they de-impress me.
2012-06-15 12:33:42 PM
1 votes:

awfulperson: It may sound silly, but the truth is that many teachers just don't know how to dress for work; I think, though, it's indicative of the fact that we have an ENTIRE CULTURE that doesn't know how to dress professionally.


Or, we have a new generation that doesn't share the older generation's value system.
If you dress up in a suit and tie and come to where I work, my boss might actually send you home to change. He's very pragmatic and practical. He understands being comfortable is more productive than looking some arbitrary part. I wore a suit and tie one time, we had some inspectors in the lab. I never heard the end of it. All day long he picked at me about how uncomfortable I looked, an d he was right, I was miserable, I got nothing done that day.

But I will never roll up in here in flip flops.. well, I wear sandals sometimes in the summer. I won't come in here in t-shirts... wait, I'm wearing one now. Well, if I do wear a t-shirt, it will just be a solid color and classy... well, wait I'm wearing my Lambda Lambda Lambda t-shirt today... where I work, being comfortable and productive IS professional.
2012-06-15 12:02:49 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969:

I don't see the problem with Jeans that get everyone's panties bunched they way they get yours twisted. They are durable, I can make them last 2-3 years per pair, and I wear them daily. They are decently warm in the winter, and not ridiculously hot in the summer. Spilled things like printer toner, ink, etc, don't ruin them, and the standard blue color makes a good neutral match with almost anything.

Ripped jeans are a different story, though.


My "panties" get in a bunch when educators come to work on a regular basis dressed like slobs, or dressed in a way that is indistinguishable from students. We should be setting an example.

As for durability/warmth/etcetera, khakis work just fine for all these things in a school environment. Sure, I get pencil marks/toner smudges and other things on them, but mostly, those wash out. They may wear out quicker, but they cost nearly the same as jeans anyway.
2012-06-15 11:36:12 AM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Now, to be fair, they finally broke down when I was in high school back in the 80's, and let us wear shorts to school, as well as tank tops. Without some kind of guidelines in place, all Hell breaks loose. They thought ahead about shorts and stopped short-shorts before they could show up, but they forgot to have any regulation about tank tops. We had a few weeks of VERY interesting school before they said the same thing about cleavage that this policy says. I remember one girl wearing two tanks tops, and still showing us everything but nipple, so I can understand why they need to set a standard on some stuff. Most of this is idiotic though. Interestingly enough, this was in AZ as well, maybe they just like to flap the boobies in AZ?


Our local HS has a reasonably standard dress code: No underwear showing, no middles or excessive cleavage showing, dollar bill rules (short and skirt hems must be less than a dollar bill length from the knee unless leggings are worn underneath, shoulders must be covered by a dollar bill width of material.) Yoga pants are allowed.

Enforcement has gotten lax over the years, with predictable results. Outfits have been slowly creeping towards the risque, until lately they've gotten pretty ridiculous. A crackdown was inevitable.

Kudos to the admininistration for the sneaky way it was handled. A nasty rumor was spread that because of how badly the dress code was being ignored, the new and improved dress code for the next year would be positively draconian: no shorts, no skirts ablve the knee, no skin showing more than two inches below the collarbones, no sandals or flip flops, no heels over two inches, no hair dye, no nail polish other than approved colors, etc. The students were predictably horrified. Complaints flew and facebook protests were quickly organized.

The administration let the shiatstorm brew for a few weeks, and then came out with a statement denying that there was any truth to the rumor at all. The dress code would remain exactly the same as it has been for years. Much relief was felt schoolwide, and when first period teachers starting wielding the magic dollar bill and sending kids to the office, the few weak complaints were shushed by the majority: "STFU and be glad it's not worse."
2012-06-15 11:36:10 AM
1 votes:

umad:

lol

Maybe you should actually read the post I was responding to. I do appreciate how you illustrated my point for me though. That's right, it is everybody's fault but yours that you suck at your job. Keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it will fix things.


I did read it. The one missing the point is you.
2012-06-15 10:27:52 AM
1 votes:

awfulperson: But there are others who live, LIVE for jeans days.


I don't see the problem with Jeans that get everyone's panties bunched they way they get yours twisted. They are durable, I can make them last 2-3 years per pair, and I wear them daily. They are decently warm in the winter, and not ridiculously hot in the summer. Spilled things like printer toner, ink, etc, don't ruin them, and the standard blue color makes a good neutral match with almost anything.

Ripped jeans are a different story, though.
2012-06-15 09:13:23 AM
1 votes:
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2012-06-15 09:07:32 AM
1 votes:
At that age, if a teacher was attractive, I don't think it would have mattered what they wore. I'd still find a way to imagine their clothes off.
2012-06-15 08:52:07 AM
1 votes:

skinink: Joce678: "Griffin said tattoos, especially sleeve tattoos, can appear unprofessional, offensive or distracting."

They're employing ex-cons as teachers?

i think it's so stupid when i see these young adults who are covered in them and expect me to be impressed. tats are ugly to me. i would never even consider getting one. it makes me laugh when i hear people say that they got theirs to define who they are personally. hahaha, are you kidding me? how can they be individuals when they are the very definition of conformity? EVERYONE nowadays, seems to have them. i have noticed also that many people who have them want people to be scared of them. why? why should i be scared of you? what,because you're a nut case with poor impulse control?it's like ok i get it; you have a lot of tattoos. i get it,you like wasting your money. i get it,you have a disposable income. why don't these people really try to be different? whenever they do get 'em,their tats are ALWAYS--- THE SAME! hey look at me, i have a tribal tat. yeah, you and 47 million others.what's your point?you wanna impress me? don't get one! tats are almost always associated with people who make bad choices in life. some of these choices affect only them,but unfortunately, most of their choices negatively impact innocent people's lives. like gangs-for instance;they are always covered in them.


Have you thought about seeing a proctologist? Because you appear to have a stick up your arse.
2012-06-15 08:47:42 AM
1 votes:

ShannonKW: pkellmey: ShannonKW: A school teacher is not some rare, highly trained professional in the same class as a transplant surgeon or a robotics engineer.

I believe you may have found the possible problem right there.

If you think that a realistic solution to the problem is insisting that teachers be highly trained professionals in the same class as transplant surgeons and robotics engineers, you are the problem.


Sure, because as we all know, everyone outside of the education industry is the problem with education. Gotcha, but still an unoriginal complaint.
2012-06-15 08:42:55 AM
1 votes:

pkellmey: ShannonKW: A school teacher is not some rare, highly trained professional in the same class as a transplant surgeon or a robotics engineer.

I believe you may have found the possible problem right there.


If you think that a realistic solution to the problem is insisting that teachers be highly trained professionals in the same class as transplant surgeons and robotics engineers, you are the problem.
2012-06-15 08:33:34 AM
1 votes:
Flip-flops are appropriate workplace footwear for ______?
2012-06-15 08:19:25 AM
1 votes:

Terrible Old Man: Flip-flops? Really? Who the blue hell thinks flip-flops are the devil?


It's school, not Walmart.
2012-06-15 07:53:03 AM
1 votes:

skinink: Joce678: "Griffin said tattoos, especially sleeve tattoos, can appear unprofessional, offensive or distracting."

They're employing ex-cons as teachers?

i think it's so stupid when i see these young adults who are covered in them and expect me to be impressed. tats are ugly to me. i would never even consider getting one. it makes me laugh when i hear people say that they got theirs to define who they are personally. hahaha, are you kidding me? how can they be individuals when they are the very definition of conformity? EVERYONE nowadays, seems to have them. i have noticed also that many people who have them want people to be scared of them. why? why should i be scared of you? what,because you're a nut case with poor impulse control?it's like ok i get it; you have a lot of tattoos. i get it,you like wasting your money. i get it,you have a disposable income. why don't these people really try to be different? whenever they do get 'em,their tats are ALWAYS--- THE SAME! hey look at me, i have a tribal tat. yeah, you and 47 million others.what's your point?you wanna impress me? don't get one! tats are almost always associated with people who make bad choices in life. some of these choices affect only them,but unfortunately, most of their choices negatively impact innocent people's lives. like gangs-for instance;they are always covered in them.


Your name is ironic. And yeah you sound...'getoffmylawny' out of touch. I don't know anyone with the exception of convicts who get tattoos to scare people.
2012-06-15 07:12:27 AM
1 votes:
CSB - In a neighboring high school in my area, they had a history of problems with low test scores in chemistry. When the older female teacher retired, they hired a hot, young, buxom teacher who excelled at getting the kids to pay attention to her. They turned that class around in a single year to having some of the best scores in the state.
2012-06-15 06:51:40 AM
1 votes:

Joce678: "Griffin said tattoos, especially sleeve tattoos, can appear unprofessional, offensive or distracting."

They're employing ex-cons as teachers?


i think it's so stupid when i see these young adults who are covered in them and expect me to be impressed. tats are ugly to me. i would never even consider getting one. it makes me laugh when i hear people say that they got theirs to define who they are personally. hahaha, are you kidding me? how can they be individuals when they are the very definition of conformity? EVERYONE nowadays, seems to have them. i have noticed also that many people who have them want people to be scared of them.

why? why should i be scared of you? what,because you're a nut case with poor impulse control?it's like ok i get it; you have a lot of tattoos. i get it,you like wasting your money. i get it,you have a disposable income. why don't these people really try to be different? whenever they do get 'em,their tats are ALWAYS--- THE SAME!

hey look at me, i have a tribal tat. yeah, you and 47 million others.what's your point?you wanna impress me? don't get one! tats are almost always associated with people who make bad choices in life. some of these choices affect only them,but unfortunately, most of their choices negatively impact innocent people's lives. like gangs-for instance;they are always covered in them.

2012-06-15 06:48:19 AM
1 votes:
That letter is awesome.
2012-06-15 06:12:36 AM
1 votes:
This reminds me, one of my female high school teachers had an impressive rack and always wore tops that displayed her cleavage. And I mean display. It's funny, I don't remember the subject she taught, but I know I got an A in it.
2012-06-15 05:45:24 AM
1 votes:
Banned?
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2012-06-15 12:30:34 AM
1 votes:

larrycot: Bathia_Mapes: larrycot: My kids attend this district.

My understanding is it's a single governing board member who has been on this tirade for years. She once saw a big-boobed teacher wearing flip-flops at school and had a tizzy. Now every year, she brings it up. Every year, it gets tabled.

BTW, this is the same district that had the principal suspended a few years back for sending home the fake field trip letter.

Do you recall what the letter said? The article connected to the thread you listed is no longer available.

Hold on while I find it......... Thanks for waiting.

The letter in question.


Wow. Thought the principal was being semi-serious & really sarcastic until the whole bit about the dead puppy and nervous tic (which the principal misspelled, BTW).

Obviously a really bad joke, but also something that should never have been sent to parents.

Thank you for linking the letter for me. I appreciate it.
2012-06-15 12:07:31 AM
1 votes:
Yes, but what they're not telling you is that it's for the male teachers.
2012-06-14 11:29:18 PM
1 votes:

larrycot: She once saw a big-boobed teacher wearing flip-flops at school and had a tizzy


So, she's totally flat, isn't she?
 
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