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(Politicker)   Obama gives his big speech in Ohio, and the glowing press reviews are in: Politico wishes it was 20 minutes shorter, ABC dismisses it as just another lecture,and MSNBC rates it "one of the worst speeches I've ever heard"   (politicker.com) divider line 214
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2012-06-15 10:13:45 AM  
Complex thoughts and complex sentences. Not enough sound-bites. Too much work for the poor journalists' brains to reduce it to pap that the talking heads can burp up.
 
2012-06-15 10:17:22 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Yes you are.


Haha, don't waste your time with "cornhole". BTW what's "goldfish" as an epithet? Haven't heard that one before.
 
2012-06-15 10:20:01 AM  

Wooly Bully: cameroncrazy1984: Yes you are.

Haha, don't waste your time with "cornhole". BTW what's "goldfish" as an epithet? Haven't heard that one before.


Goldfish are famous for having very short memories, and therefore attention spans. At least in urban legend, I don't think it's actually true.
 
2012-06-15 10:21:31 AM  

bugontherug: djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.

Anyone who hasn't realized the media are completely in the tank for Romney this time around is blind.


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-15 10:24:30 AM  
Maybe Obama actually didn't give a great speech? Perhaps Romney actually did give a good one? And perhaps reporting it as such is actually the truth and not a sign of bias?

Can't be. Must be a Media Conspiracy meant to take down my favorite candidate.
 
2012-06-15 10:24:52 AM  

beta_plus: When you make Bill Clinton look brief and to the point for MSNBC, you've got problems.



ZOMG! WHY DOESN'T 0BAMA MAKE SPEECHES THE LENGTH THAT I WANT??!! IMPEACH!!



/that's what you're going with?
 
2012-06-15 10:36:18 AM  
MSNBC rates it "one of the worst speeches I've ever heard"

FTFA:

On the air, MSNBC's Jonathan Alter said it was "one of the worst speeches I've ever heard Barack Obama make." He refused to back down.

Liars go to Hell, Subby, do you really think nobody would have noticed that? We also noticed that it wasn't "MSNBC" that made your claim, just one guy, and by the "He refused to back down.' line, it also sounds like OTHER people on MSNBC disagree with your distorted bullshiat.

Nice try though, you just fail at the execution, too obvious.
 
2012-06-15 10:37:55 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Maybe Obama actually didn't give a great speech? Perhaps Romney actually did give a good one? And perhaps reporting it as such is actually the truth and not a sign of bias?


Except that when you watch the speeches you realize that no, this isn't true. The media just does not like when you give long, fact-heavy speeches with no big soundbites.
 
2012-06-15 10:38:59 AM  

Mikey1969: We also noticed that it wasn't "MSNBC" that made your claim, just one guy


"I was going to vote for Obama, but then Jonathan Alter criticized that one speech so I changed my mind" -all Democrats

- Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) June 14, 2012
 
2012-06-15 10:41:04 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lost Thought 00: Maybe Obama actually didn't give a great speech? Perhaps Romney actually did give a good one? And perhaps reporting it as such is actually the truth and not a sign of bias?

Except that when you watch the speeches you realize that no, this isn't true. The media just does not like when you give long, fact-heavy speeches with no big soundbites.


Part of being a good speaker is being concise and conveying the necessary information as efficiently as possible. Obama didn't do that. It happens.
 
2012-06-15 10:44:07 AM  

Lost Thought 00: cameroncrazy1984: Lost Thought 00: Maybe Obama actually didn't give a great speech? Perhaps Romney actually did give a good one? And perhaps reporting it as such is actually the truth and not a sign of bias?

Except that when you watch the speeches you realize that no, this isn't true. The media just does not like when you give long, fact-heavy speeches with no big soundbites.

Part of being a good speaker is being concise and conveying the necessary information as efficiently as possible. Obama didn't do that. It happens.


Did you watch the speech personally? What parts did you find were not conveyed well?
 
2012-06-15 10:46:38 AM  

ferretman: Basij: Don't care. This is a failing of the American politician system. We should be supporting the Syrian rebels; instead, we're so terrified of reelection that we can't be bothered to do anything besides make unfounded accusations. Who cares if the Russians are giving them brand new or refurbished Mi-24s? They're giving the Syrians Mi-24s! That's the problem, not whether they're new or Cold War vintage!

You really don't think that the US is not supplying weapons via proxy? The US is providing arms to Qatar and Saudi Arabia who are then supplying the rebels.




Somebody should tell them they're doing a poor job of it.

Link
 
2012-06-15 10:48:51 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Part of being a good speaker is being concise and conveying the necessary information as efficiently as possible. Obama didn't do that. It happens.


Information can only be compressed so much before vital content starts getting lost. If you put the sentiment you outlined under some scrutiny, you may find that you're really speaking to a problem with the audience, not the speech itself.
 
2012-06-15 10:48:57 AM  
I wish President Obama would stop horsing around at fund raisers and get to work on the economy.
 
2012-06-15 10:48:58 AM  

Lando Lincoln: I dunno. I liked the speech. It definitely didn't have any quick sound bites that the news could use to ramp up the ULTIMATE BATTLE AGAINST OBAMA AND ROMNEY though, so that's probably why they thought it sucked.


Bingo. Those tweets reaked of, "stop wasting my time! I have a column to write and you aren't giving me anything to work with!"

Sorry journos, sometimes a speech isn't full of things you can "fact check", sometimes it's not full of bumper sticker slogans, gaffes, or inspirational rigamarole.

Man. You have a an opportunity to sit in a room and listen to the president of the united states talk. To you. Specifically. And you're sitting their counting words like a farking clock-watching middle schooler. Immature beyond belief. An hour. NOT EVEN an hour and these people are squirming in their seats sending tweets.

No comments on what he said. Just *how much* he said. Great work press corp. Now kindly go fark yourselves while bloggers and forums disseminate the actual news so you can continue peeling airtime directly off of youtube. Christ on a cracker our press is pathetic.
 
2012-06-15 10:50:04 AM  

Mentat: violentsalvation: I haven't heard it myself, and I don't plan to. But it is entirely possible that Obama and/or the speechwriters were off and the speech did not equal what it was touted to be. THere isn't any bias here, IMHO.

That's the joke.


And just think - only 20 more weeks of it.
 
2012-06-15 10:51:22 AM  

LasersHurt: Did you watch the speech personally? What parts did you find were not conveyed well?


No, I didn't listen, I only read the transcripts. Maybe it flowed better live, but on paper it started to get repetitive in the section where he starts enumerating things wrong with the Republican budget. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the facts presented, it's just their organization. He gives a dozen examples where 2-3 would suffice. It's like he's trying to find a bunch of little niches so that the maximum number of people agree with him, instead of finding a few overarching points that are generally. The text just seems to drone on and doesn't work to keep the listener engaged with his core message.
 
2012-06-15 10:51:37 AM  

nmiguy: I wish President Obama would stop horsing around at fund raisers and get to work on the economy.


He lowered the price of gas for you so STFU and GBTW
 
2012-06-15 10:52:30 AM  

Biological Ali: Information can only be compressed so much before vital content starts getting lost. If you put the sentiment you outlined under some scrutiny, you may find that you're really speaking to a problem with the audience, not the speech itself.


This may be true, but you can't change the audience. If the speech doesn't fit the audience, that's a problem with the speaker.
 
2012-06-15 10:52:32 AM  

Lost Thought 00: LasersHurt: Did you watch the speech personally? What parts did you find were not conveyed well?

No, I didn't listen, I only read the transcripts. Maybe it flowed better live, but on paper it started to get repetitive in the section where he starts enumerating things wrong with the Republican budget. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the facts presented, it's just their organization. He gives a dozen examples where 2-3 would suffice. It's like he's trying to find a bunch of little niches so that the maximum number of people agree with him, instead of finding a few overarching points that are generally. The text just seems to drone on and doesn't work to keep the listener engaged with his core message.


As with most speeches, they're best judged when watched/listened to. And you'd do well to ignore media reviews of it until you've watched it, I promise.
 
2012-06-15 10:53:21 AM  

nmiguy: I wish President Obama would stop horsing around at fund raisers and get to work on the economy.


I love the "get to work on it" thing. Like it's just a machine he can start working on at any moment.
 
2012-06-15 10:55:16 AM  

nmiguy: I wish President Obama the GOP House would stop horsing around at fund raisers and get to work on the economy.


FTF reality
 
2012-06-15 10:55:26 AM  

monoski: nmiguy: I wish President Obama would stop horsing around at fund raisers and get to work on the economy.

He lowered the price of gas for you so STFU and GBTW


Well of course gas prices have fallen. The president has switched from riding his presidential limousine to horseback riding...
 
2012-06-15 10:55:37 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Maybe Obama actually didn't give a great speech? Perhaps Romney actually did give a good one? And perhaps reporting it as such is actually the truth and not a sign of bias?

Can't be. Must be a Media Conspiracy meant to take down my favorite candidate.


Holding Obama to a standard of "great" and Romney to a standard of "good" is a sign of bias.
 
2012-06-15 10:55:37 AM  

karnal: cameroncrazy1984


karnal: Trapper439

Get back to me when a Republican has delivered a better speech, subby.

Hell, get back to me when a Republican delivers a speech in which they detail an actual alternative policy position.

I've heard that both sides are bad, but that argument for voting Republican doesn't convince me.


Some people are just a lost cause.

Yes you are.

[www.thevictoryformation.com image 416x600]


You know. If you're going to post this much, people are going to be forced to ignore you. And I know you love yourself way to much to let that happen.

So how about we tone it down a bit karn, eh? Here's a tip on the cheap:
1) Write up your post.
2) Go read something for 5 minutes
3) Come back and read your post
4) Make your decision about whether that's something worth saying.

A lil' "look before you leap" can help you maintain your thinning veneer of legitimacy until the election actually happens. And that's where the REAL attention whoring can happen. Blow your load now and you better have a handful of seasoned alts to work with, or I'm afraid you're gonna be really damned bored come November.

Just sayin'.
 
2012-06-15 10:55:54 AM  
And by "fund raisers," I mean abortion bills.
 
2012-06-15 11:05:27 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Biological Ali: Information can only be compressed so much before vital content starts getting lost. If you put the sentiment you outlined under some scrutiny, you may find that you're really speaking to a problem with the audience, not the speech itself.

This may be true, but you can't change the audience. If the speech doesn't fit the audience, that's a problem with the speaker.


Not every speech will attempt to "fit" every single person who listens to it (and the speeches which do attempt that tend, with a few exceptions, to be more meaningless and contribute little if anything to intellectual discourse). So if you watch a speech and have a problem with it (absent some specific criticism of the arguments contained in the speech), there's a good chance that it never was meant for you in the first place.
 
2012-06-15 11:09:38 AM  

natazha: Complex thoughts and complex sentences. Not enough sound-bites. Too much work for the poor journalists' brains to reduce it to pap that the talking heads can burp up.


Who knew that TL;DR would one day be considered as actual journalism.
 
2012-06-15 11:10:48 AM  

djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.


Done in one, close it up, we're through here.
 
2012-06-15 11:32:30 AM  

badhatharry: Weird, isn't it. It's almost like the president is choosen before the election and the media sells it to the masses. What if I told you that W wasn't as bad a president as you think?


Your saying that W's policies, No Child Left Behind, "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie", the Bush tax cuts, ignoring pre-9/11 terror memo, his choice to put 2 wars on a credit card, extraordinary rendition, torture, having no interest in capturing Osama bin Laden, etc, etc, etc, were all nothing more than a media construct? I don't think anyone can believe that. Bush was, and still is, reviled around the world. Not because of media reports, but because of his actions, policies and decisions.
 
2012-06-15 11:35:10 AM  

LasersHurt: nmiguy: I wish President Obama would stop horsing around at fund raisers and get to work on the economy.

I love the "get to work on it" thing. Like it's just a machine he can start working on at any moment.


Well what exactly has he done? Anything? Okay. I don't believe a single person got a job at Sarah Jessica Parker's fund raiser.
 
2012-06-15 11:41:26 AM  

nmiguy: LasersHurt: nmiguy: I wish President Obama would stop horsing around at fund raisers and get to work on the economy.

I love the "get to work on it" thing. Like it's just a machine he can start working on at any moment.

Well what exactly has he done? Anything? Okay. I don't believe a single person got a job at Sarah Jessica Parker's fund raiser.


He created a jobs package including many pieces of legislation designed to boost hiring and the general economy. It has all been stonewalled by congress. Still, several measures have gone through, including lots of tax breaks for small businesses and startups.

He is doing things, but not everything is getting passed. That's not "doing nothing." He has been "at work."
 
2012-06-15 11:52:57 AM  

cman: Wow, never knew how much racism these networks would show. This racist bullshiat must end.


It's only racist when you hate him because he's black, not because you might disagree with what he says. Most often, trolls and the like will say something racist while criticizing him. When they're called on their racist bullshiat, they counter with "omg i'm just criticizing him!". No they're not. Criticize him, fine. There's nothing wrong with that. "That ni-bong sonofabiatch really sucks at fixing the economy!" is completely different from "President Obama isn't very good at this Presidenting".

once you learn the difference, i think you'll understand why your post is so freaking stupid.
 
2012-06-15 11:58:25 AM  
When broken out and counted separately, the words "Uh" and "Um" consisted of a full 13 minutes and 29 seconds of the speech.
 
2012-06-15 11:59:37 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Biological Ali: Information can only be compressed so much before vital content starts getting lost. If you put the sentiment you outlined under some scrutiny, you may find that you're really speaking to a problem with the audience, not the speech itself.

This may be true, but you can't change the audience. If the speech doesn't fit the audience, that's a problem with the speaker.


The president just outlined his record, and therefore his campaign strategy, to the farking press. And the presses reaction is that his record is too long and complicated and can't you just tell the American people that Romney's mormonism is a problem or something so we can write a quicky article and get paaaaid.

You don't make the press think. That's just something you don't do.
 
2012-06-15 12:01:46 PM  

nmiguy: LasersHurt: nmiguy: I wish President Obama would stop horsing around at fund raisers and get to work on the economy.

I love the "get to work on it" thing. Like it's just a machine he can start working on at any moment.

Well what exactly has he done? Anything? Okay. I don't believe a single person got a job at Sarah Jessica Parker's fund raiser.


Negotiated and passed trade deals with S. Korea, Colombia and Panama.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., called the package of agreements a "no-cost jobs plan "that would create a quarter-million jobs by boosting worldwide exports 1%.
 
2012-06-15 12:11:08 PM  

Shaggy_C: When broken out and counted separately, the words "Uh" and "Um" consisted of a full 13 minutes and 29 seconds of the speech.


It would not surprise me if some idiot actually takes the time to do this.
 
2012-06-15 12:15:03 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

People said this one blew, too.


It's interesting that Lincoln was wrong about this. Most people have heard "Four score and seven years ago", but don't know what happened at Gettysburg, other than there was a battle there.
 
2012-06-15 12:18:18 PM  
Obama is such a hack, that MSNBC is complaining about him.

That's bad. Real bad.

Obama needs to go play some golf. Unwind a bit, and send the wife off on a luxury vacation with 80 people. That will help.

What's really happening is that Romney is aggressive, and he is slapping Obama around. The Obama media want Obama to fight harder and smarter, that's all.
 
2012-06-15 12:22:06 PM  

djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.


This just proves that the liberal media can safely be ignored EXCEPT when they are attacking Obam, in which case their every word is gospel truther, because why would the libby-est libs who ever libbed attack their Messiah unless what they were saying was not only true, but worse than they were letting on?

See the post directly above mine by Barney fife for a perfect example of this
 
2012-06-15 12:23:47 PM  
He was never a good speech maker. The media is just now waking up to the fact.
 
2012-06-15 12:34:18 PM  

PanicMan: Well what exactly has he done? Anything? Okay. I don't believe a single person got a job at Sarah Jessica Parker's fund raiser.

Negotiated and passed trade deals with S. Korea, Colombia and Panama.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., called the package of agreements a "no-cost jobs plan "that would create a quarter-million jobs by boosting worldwide exports 1%.



Does Cantor understand that is treason in the GOP?
 
2012-06-15 12:45:25 PM  

Butterflew: cman: Wow, never knew how much racism these networks would show. This racist bullshiat must end.

It's only racist when you hate him because he's black, not because you might disagree with what he says. Most often, trolls and the like will say something racist while criticizing him. When they're called on their racist bullshiat, they counter with "omg i'm just criticizing him!". No they're not. Criticize him, fine. There's nothing wrong with that. "That ni-bong sonofabiatch really sucks at fixing the economy!" is completely different from "President Obama isn't very good at this Presidenting".

once you learn the difference, i think you'll understand why your post is so freaking stupid.


'twas a joke
 
2012-06-15 12:58:30 PM  

mcoctopus: He was never a good speech maker. The media is just now waking up to the fact.


Name a few politicians in politics today that give better speeches.
 
2012-06-15 12:58:51 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

People said this one blew, too.


In fact, it's said that Lincoln turned to his aide after he finished the speech and said "well that fell over the crowd like a wet blanket, didn't it?"

Reason? Too confusing. Too curtly delivered and most importantly, too short in its eloquent brevity. The fault with that speech may very well have been its modern strength. It must be read to be fully appreciated. The point he makes is far too philosophical and introspective to be received and absorbed in a single sitting.

It's why we organize political speeches like checklists these days. An enraptured audience can still easily miss the point or be confused.
 
2012-06-15 01:12:43 PM  

djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.

 
2012-06-15 01:15:58 PM  

nmiguy: I wish President Obama would stop horsing around at fund raisers and get to work on the economy.


Welcome to the post-Citizens United world. Fundraising is now a politician's single most important job function. Everyone thank the Supreme Court.
 
2012-06-15 01:29:29 PM  

gaspode: Yes, the person asking to be the President of the most powerful nation on earth should not give speeches that are 'Long' and 'Wordy'

ffs.


i.crackedcdn.com
Welcome to America.

/seriously, we're that dumb
 
2012-06-15 01:41:12 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Obama is such a hack, that MSNBC is complaining about him.

That's bad. Real bad.

Obama needs to go play some golf. Unwind a bit, and send the wife off on a luxury vacation with 80 people. That will help.

What's really happening is that Romney is aggressive, and he is slapping Obama around. The Obama media want Obama to fight harder and smarter, that's all.


This sounds like the sort of stuff Sean Hannity's balls whisper to each other after he falls asleep

/ but how's your girl Hillary doing?
 
2012-06-15 02:13:59 PM  
Lando Lincoln

mcoctopus: He was never a good speech maker. The media is just now waking up to the fact.

Name a few politicians in politics today that give better speeches.


Ed Miliband's "new bargain" speech was long and complex and was quite good. And he's isnt even the best speaker in UK.
 
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