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(Politicker)   Obama gives his big speech in Ohio, and the glowing press reviews are in: Politico wishes it was 20 minutes shorter, ABC dismisses it as just another lecture,and MSNBC rates it "one of the worst speeches I've ever heard"   (politicker.com) divider line 214
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2012-06-15 03:12:32 AM  
I swear I just saw an ABC news piece by Jake Tapper on both men's speeches today and Fox News couldn't have done a better job for Romney. Totally negative to Obama and totally positive for Romney.
 
2012-06-15 03:15:08 AM  

Kevin72: Pincy: If he ain't singing Mammy and juggling watermelons then he's not entertaining.

You are so 1930s. Ever heard of the Temptations? Singing "My Girl"? Update your music, and change the watermelon juggling to dancing FTW.


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2012-06-15 03:17:37 AM  
Actually, if he DID sing "My Girl" at campaign appearances, his numbers would skyrocket. Democrats vote with their hearts. If he did a stunt singing a verse or two to Michelle while acting totally in love, the only women that would vote against him would be rock-ribbed Republican Ladies-Against-Women.
 
2012-06-15 03:20:33 AM  

Hobodeluxe: I swear I just saw an ABC news piece by Jake Tapper on both men's speeches today and Fox News couldn't have done a better job for Romney. Totally negative to Obama and totally positive for Romney.


This is my shocked face.

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2012-06-15 03:22:15 AM  

Triumph: djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.

You're right. MSNBC isn't liberal at all.


They only keep Maddow on because of the huge discrimination lawsuit they'd get if they fire her.

And they only keep O'Donnell on because he inherited Olbermann's incriminating photos.
 
2012-06-15 03:25:33 AM  

Hobodeluxe: I swear I just saw an ABC news piece by Jake Tapper on both men's speeches today and Fox News couldn't have done a better job for Romney. Totally negative to Obama and totally positive for Romney.


The MSM bias is pro-horserace, anti-runaway. To stay "relevant" even when they are not. It's a more subtle kind of attention-trolling than outright attention-whoring.
 
2012-06-15 03:27:10 AM  

IlGreven: They only keep Maddow on because of the huge discrimination lawsuit they'd get if they fire her.


What does this mean?
 
2012-06-15 03:28:06 AM  

Kevin72: Hobodeluxe: I swear I just saw an ABC news piece by Jake Tapper on both men's speeches today and Fox News couldn't have done a better job for Romney. Totally negative to Obama and totally positive for Romney.

The MSM bias is pro-horserace, anti-runaway. To stay "relevant" even when they are not. It's a more subtle kind of attention-trolling than outright attention-whoring.


Fox is interested in a horserace? I agree with most outlets but Fox is a major part of the MSM.
 
2012-06-15 03:48:11 AM  
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2012-06-15 03:49:30 AM  

Sabyen91: Kevin72: Hobodeluxe: I swear I just saw an ABC news piece by Jake Tapper on both men's speeches today and Fox News couldn't have done a better job for Romney. Totally negative to Obama and totally positive for Romney.

The MSM bias is pro-horserace, anti-runaway. To stay "relevant" even when they are not. It's a more subtle kind of attention-trolling than outright attention-whoring.

Fox is interested in a horserace? I agree with most outlets but Fox is a major part of the MSM.


No. Fox News is not interested in a horserace. And Fox News is NOT mainstream news. It is a propaganda arm of the Republican Party. Notice that the geniuses who call the MSM the "Lamestream Media" DO NOT consider Fox News to be "lamestream".
 
2012-06-15 03:59:06 AM  

Sabyen91: IlGreven: They only keep Maddow on because of the huge discrimination lawsuit they'd get if they fire her.

What does this mean?


It means that somehow IlGreven either never noticed how cute, clever, hard-hitting without it being noticed, and on and on about how wonderful Rachel Maddow is. Or he demonstrated Poe's Law to us.
 
2012-06-15 04:08:09 AM  

Kevin72: Sabyen91: IlGreven: They only keep Maddow on because of the huge discrimination lawsuit they'd get if they fire her.

What does this mean?

It means that somehow IlGreven either never noticed how cute, clever, hard-hitting without it being noticed, and on and on about how wonderful Rachel Maddow is. Or he demonstrated Poe's Law to us.


I don't watch any of the pundit shows but Maddow is very intelligent and well-informed (know this from her old radio show).

/Oh...that is why Il Greven doesn't like her.
 
2012-06-15 04:51:09 AM  
Damn liberal med...

Oh, I see we've got that covered.
 
2012-06-15 05:04:10 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: If the goldfish media hate it, it was probably very informative.



That means they didn't have sound bytes and outrage to trump up from the speech

/I hate the media so much
 
2012-06-15 05:05:13 AM  
I figured the liberal lamestream media was going to be critical of Obama's speech when CNN cut away after 10 minutes, saying "we gave Romney 10 minutes, so..."

I watched the whole thing online though, and to me it didn't seem lecture-y at all, especially in contrast to Romney. It was positive, fairly detailed, well cited, and had a good balance of gravitas and humor. Part of the reason it was so long was due to the long pauses while Obama waited for the applause and cheering to simmer down. There were a couple minutes near the end that could have been cut, but still fell solidly within the "tell them what you're going to tell them, then tell them, then tell them what you told them" rule of speechifying.

I think part of the problem, aside from the media wanting a horserace, is that the bar is set so much higher for Obama. He's shown that he is such a good speaker that anything that falls short of "I have a dream" or "Ask not what your country can do for you" is seen as a failure, where any Romney speech in which he doesn't insult the audience is seen as a success.
 
2012-06-15 05:08:02 AM  

Basij: Don't care. This is a failing of the American politician system. We should be supporting the Syrian rebels; instead, we're so terrified of reelection that we can't be bothered to do anything besides make unfounded accusations. Who cares if the Russians are giving them brand new or refurbished Mi-24s? They're giving the Syrians Mi-24s! That's the problem, not whether they're new or Cold War vintage!



Piss off Russia, that's a big deal. You should learn about global politics before you second guess their actions. Russia only has Syria and Iran left as allies in the region. America has taken and invaded the rest.
 
2012-06-15 05:49:54 AM  

dave1y: LasersHurt: He makes a good case

This.

It's not his job to entertain the press corps. It's not their job to tell us what we should like.


Have you been in a coma for the past twenty years?
 
2012-06-15 06:34:17 AM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk
2012-06-14 10:36:57 PM
In before some f*cktard claims Obama gets a pass from the media


Actually he does get a pass. Do you ever hear about Fast and Furious? Solyndra? his early participation in a college communist group? his cocaine use? the leaks of classified info from the WH to help O's election champaign? No, didn't think so. But you DO hear about Romney's high school jinks 30 years ago or Nixon forty years ago, yeah. Why don't Woodword and Bernstein do some REAL reporting and go after the Obama administration--the most corrupt administration in history, with Eric "I will not prosecute MY people" Holder.
 
2012-06-15 06:52:09 AM  

MyRandomName: GAT_00: violentsalvation: cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: Yeah people like Alter are bending the truth for the right. whatever, farkers.

He's a victim of the same mentality as the others. If Obama makes a good speech and Romney does something stupid like have his campaign bus drive around the venue honking, they don't have a story.

They all came across with the same basic statement, and it has nothing to do with Romney. The speech was too long, it had little or no new material, it was not good for soundbites or invigorating anyone, it was only good background noise during a cat-nap.

I haven't heard it myself, and I don't plan to. But it is entirely possible that Obama and/or the speechwriters were off and the speech did not equal what it was touted to be. THere isn't any bias here, IMHO.

Except that every single network has been statistically shown to be harsher on the President than any Republican.

Start here and advance. Every single Republican candidate had at least one period where the media was more positive than negative in regards to them. Obama never has.

God you are dumb. Let me put this simply... THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS RECEIVES HARSHER TREATMENT. They are responsible for more, they have more policy to criticize. Stop with your idiocy. Compare Obama coverage to 04 bush. Seriously you are dumb. The media didn't even investigate Obama dedicating his yearbook page to his dealer as a candidate, yet we all know how evil Ann romney is for riding horses. Grow up.


All right, since I cited mine, I demand you cite yours.
 
2012-06-15 06:58:39 AM  
He must not have applied enough faux Baptist-preacher voice.
 
2012-06-15 07:17:20 AM  

tony41454: Actually he does get a pass. Do you ever hear about Fast and Furious? Solyndra? his early participation in a college communist group? his cocaine use? the leaks of classified info from the WH to help O's election champaign? No, didn't think so.


You're joking, right? I've heard every single one of these stories (except the college communist group, which is surely something fake you picked up from Free Republic) and I'm sure that everyone else has, too. Did you dig them out yourself? Of course not. Maybe you've been drinking too much of that champaign to remember where you got these stories.
 
2012-06-15 07:18:35 AM  

djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.

 
2012-06-15 07:19:54 AM  

jules_siegel: tony41454: Actually he does get a pass. Do you ever hear about Fast and Furious? Solyndra? his early participation in a college communist group? his cocaine use? the leaks of classified info from the WH to help O's election champaign? No, didn't think so.

You're joking, right? I've heard every single one of these stories (except the college communist group, which is surely something fake you picked up from Free Republic) and I'm sure that everyone else has, too. Did you dig them out yourself? Of course not. Maybe you've been drinking too much of that champaign to remember where you got these stories.


He's been a-derpin' up a storm this morning! I'd stay and help you poke fun at him some more, but unlike him and so many of our other resident right-wing trolls, I have a job to go to.
 
2012-06-15 07:35:13 AM  

ghare: He's been a-derpin' up a storm this morning!


Dee-derp-a-loo-loo, he's our babee...

I'd stay and help you poke fun at him some more, but unlike him and so many of our other resident right-wing trolls, I have a job to go to.

So do I, but I'm a freelancer, so it's right here at this very keyboard, converting my books to eBooks, an arduous task when you want to preserve the visuals and some of the typography. I guess I am going to have break down and get a Kindle and an iPad so that I can see what I'm actually doing.

One thing that's great about freelancing is the unlimited opportunities for probastination. It's also the reason why it's more like a euphemism for permanent unemployment without the benefit of benefits.
 
2012-06-15 08:09:55 AM  

djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.


Anyone who hasn't realized the media are completely in the tank for Romney this time around is blind.
 
2012-06-15 08:26:47 AM  

numbone: LasersHurt [TotalFark]


I actually watched the speech. It was very good - packed with facts, a little partisan snark here and there, but mostly good. He makes a good case, and I'm picking up what he's putting down.

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Didn't your momma teach you not to play with your food?
 
2012-06-15 08:28:43 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

People said this one blew, too.


Greatest unintentionally hilarious equivalency ever.
 
2012-06-15 08:31:46 AM  

cman: Wow, never knew how much racism these networks would show. This racist bullshiat must end.


LOL!
 
2012-06-15 08:39:20 AM  
Sabyen91


Kevin72: Hobodeluxe: I swear I just saw an ABC news piece by Jake Tapper on both men's speeches today and Fox News couldn't have done a better job for Romney. Totally negative to Obama and totally positive for Romney.

The MSM bias is pro-horserace, anti-runaway. To stay "relevant" even when they are not. It's a more subtle kind of attention-trolling than outright attention-whoring.

Fox is interested in a horserace? I agree with most outlets but Fox is a major part of the MSM.


Giddy Up
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2012-06-15 08:41:51 AM  
When you make Bill Clinton look brief and to the point for MSNBC, you've got problems.
 
2012-06-15 08:48:05 AM  
Weird, isn't it. It's almost like the president is choosen before the election and the media sells it to the masses. What if I told you that W wasn't as bad a president as you think?
 
2012-06-15 09:01:25 AM  
Well, when you start with something like

So, Ohio, over the next five months, this election will take many twists and many turns, polls will go up and polls will go down, there will be no shortage of gaffes and controversies that keep both campaigns busy and give the press something to write about.

And threaten to expose how full of BS the media is when they cover you, then yes, of course they're going to hate your speech.
 
2012-06-15 09:07:53 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: In before some f*cktard claims Obama gets a pass from the media


He did for the last 4 years especially during 2008. Nothing but c*ck sucking and ass kissing from the media for Odumbo.
 
2012-06-15 09:13:17 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

People said this one blew, too.


That's true, but his real strength really was hunting vampires.
 
2012-06-15 09:14:05 AM  

tony41454: MaudlinMutantMollusk
2012-06-14 10:36:57 PM
In before some f*cktard claims Obama gets a pass from the media

Actually he does get a pass. Do you ever hear about Fast and Furious? Solyndra? his early participation in a college communist group? his cocaine use? the leaks of classified info from the WH to help O's election champaign? No, didn't think so. But you DO hear about Romney's high school jinks 30 years ago or Nixon forty years ago, yeah. Why don't Woodword and Bernstein do some REAL reporting and go after the Obama administration--the most corrupt administration in history, with Eric "I will not prosecute MY people" Holder.


I've heard of all the fictitious things you speak of about Obama.
 
2012-06-15 09:15:21 AM  
Well, speeches with content tend to be boring - especially if you were dumb enough to major in Journalism to begin with.
 
2012-06-15 09:17:46 AM  
The right-wing noise machine -

1. Make up shiat about Democrats.
2. Blast them into the right-wing derposphere.
3. MSM media reports "on the controversy", doesn't find evidence, abandons story.
4. Right-wing complains that the MSM won't report bad things about Democrats.

It's really pretty brilliant if you think about it, the bigger the lie, the more likely wingnuts will believe there is a conspiracy against wingnuts in the media.
 
2012-06-15 09:20:04 AM  

Job Creator: I've heard of all the fictitious things you speak of about Obama.


What about the communist group? What was that? These people are code-talkers.You need a pad to interpret their jargon.
 
2012-06-15 09:22:22 AM  

jules_siegel: ghare: He's been a-derpin' up a storm this morning!

Dee-derp-a-loo-loo, he's our babee...

I'd stay and help you poke fun at him some more, but unlike him and so many of our other resident right-wing trolls, I have a job to go to.

So do I, but I'm a freelancer, so it's right here at this very keyboard, converting my books to eBooks, an arduous task when you want to preserve the visuals and some of the typography. I guess I am going to have break down and get a Kindle and an iPad so that I can see what I'm actually doing.

One thing that's great about freelancing is the unlimited opportunities for probastination. It's also the reason why it's more like a euphemism for permanent unemployment without the benefit of benefits.


Trolling message boards is their job- you don't think all of Sheldon Adelson and Koch money is for TV ads, do you? I did the same thing for teh libs but my Soros check didn't arrive.
 
2012-06-15 09:25:47 AM  

jules_siegel: Job Creator: I've heard of all the fictitious things you speak of about Obama.

What about the communist group? What was that? These people are code-talkers.You need a pad to interpret their jargon.


They talk and talk and all I hear is derpderpderp.

A generation ago these ideas were disseminated through shadowy newsletters from PO boxes and packaged in brown paper wrappers. Now they have a whole TV network and hundreds of newspapers, websites and magazines to push these memes.
 
2012-06-15 09:25:53 AM  

Job Creator: It's really pretty brilliant if you think about it, the bigger the lie, the more likely wingnuts will believe there is a conspiracy against wingnuts in the media.


It's no more brilliant than when the Nazis were using the same tactic in Germany back in the 20s and 30s.

jules_siegel: What about the communist group? What was that? These people are code-talkers.You need a pad to interpret their jargon.


Excepting a "stopped watch" scenario where the biatching can actually be tied to some legitimate grievance, here's all the possible translations for any right-wing whining about Obama:

1. He's a democrat
2. He's black
3. He's a black democrat
 
2012-06-15 09:32:44 AM  

Basij: Don't care. This is a failing of the American politician system. We should be supporting the Syrian rebels; instead, we're so terrified of reelection that we can't be bothered to do anything besides make unfounded accusations. Who cares if the Russians are giving them brand new or refurbished Mi-24s? They're giving the Syrians Mi-24s! That's the problem, not whether they're new or Cold War vintage!


You really don't think that the US is not supplying weapons via proxy? The US is providing arms to Qatar and Saudi Arabia who are then supplying the rebels.
 
2012-06-15 09:44:24 AM  
Splinshints

Job Creator: It's really pretty brilliant if you think about it, the bigger the lie, the more likely wingnuts will believe there is a conspiracy against wingnuts in the media.

It's no more brilliant than when the Nazis were using the same tactic in Germany back in the 20s and 30s.

jules_siegel: What about the communist group? What was that? These people are code-talkers.You need a pad to interpret their jargon.

Excepting a "stopped watch" scenario where the biatching can actually be tied to some legitimate grievance, here's all the possible translations for any right-wing whining about Obama:

1. He's a democrat
2. He's black
3. He's a black democrat



Just keep banging that drum.....with each unproved, unreasonable, unsounded, unsubstantiated, wacky, without basis or foundation cry of racism that comes from your side. the more foolish you look.
 
2012-06-15 09:44:39 AM  
Get back to me when a Republican has delivered a better speech, subby.

Hell, get back to me when a Republican delivers a speech in which they detail an actual alternative policy position.

I've heard that both sides are bad, but that argument for voting Republican doesn't convince me.
 
2012-06-15 09:48:29 AM  

karnal: Just keep banging that drum.....with each unproved, unreasonable, unsounded, unsubstantiated, wacky, without basis or foundation cry of racism that comes from your side. the more foolish you look.


oops
you forgot to call him a DIM oh wise one.
 
2012-06-15 09:50:23 AM  

Sabyen91: I don't watch any of the pundit shows but Maddow is very intelligent and well-informed (know this from her old radio show).


What really irritates the right about Maddow is they know that she'll welcome any of them onto her show, politely allow them to state their case, and then politely obliterate them.
 
2012-06-15 09:53:26 AM  
unexplained bacon

karnal: Just keep banging that drum.....with each unproved, unreasonable, unsounded, unsubstantiated, wacky, without basis or foundation cry of racism that comes from your side. the more foolish you look.

oops
you forgot to call him a DIM oh wise one
.


I didn't forget.
 
2012-06-15 09:55:28 AM  
Trapper439

Get back to me when a Republican has delivered a better speech, subby.

Hell, get back to me when a Republican delivers a speech in which they detail an actual alternative policy position.

I've heard that both sides are bad, but that argument for voting Republican doesn't convince me.



Some people are just a lost cause.
 
2012-06-15 10:00:30 AM  

karnal: Trapper439

Get back to me when a Republican has delivered a better speech, subby.

Hell, get back to me when a Republican delivers a speech in which they detail an actual alternative policy position.

I've heard that both sides are bad, but that argument for voting Republican doesn't convince me.


Some people are just a lost cause.


Yes you are.
 
2012-06-15 10:05:39 AM  
cameroncrazy1984


karnal: Trapper439

Get back to me when a Republican has delivered a better speech, subby.

Hell, get back to me when a Republican delivers a speech in which they detail an actual alternative policy position.

I've heard that both sides are bad, but that argument for voting Republican doesn't convince me.


Some people are just a lost cause.

Yes you are.


www.thevictoryformation.com
 
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