If the goldfish media hate it, it was probably very informative.

Sheesh, it's as if the media believes all black people must give Martin Luther King Jr.-like speeches every time they try.

cmunic8r99: djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.

Makes me pine for the good old days. Where's Ricky Santorum and his fiery stump speeches of yore?

LasersHurt: He makes a good case

This.

It's not his job to entertain the press corps. It's not their job to tell us what we should like.

violentsalvation: Yeah people like Alter are bending the truth for the right. whatever, farkers.

He's a victim of the same mentality as the others. If Obama makes a good speech and Romney does something stupid like have his campaign bus drive around the venue honking, they don't have a story.

violentsalvation: cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: Yeah people like Alter are bending the truth for the right. whatever, farkers.

He's a victim of the same mentality as the others. If Obama makes a good speech and Romney does something stupid like have his campaign bus drive around the venue honking, they don't have a story.

They all came across with the same basic statement, and it has nothing to do with Romney. The speech was too long, it had little or no new material, it was not good for soundbites or invigorating anyone, it was only good background noise during a cat-nap.

I haven't heard it myself, and I don't plan to. But it is entirely possible that Obama and/or the speechwriters were off and the speech did not equal what it was touted to be. THere isn't any bias here, IMHO.

Except that every single network has been statistically shown to be harsher on the President than any Republican.

Start here and advance. Every single Republican candidate had at least one period where the media was more positive than negative in regards to them. Obama never has.

violentsalvation: . I mean, you are a Sunday political show host and you have to have Newt, Santorum, or Bachmann on your program. Other than point and laugh at them, what do you do?

Not be needlessly negative?

That's an option, right?

cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: . I mean, you are a Sunday political show host and you have to have Newt, Santorum, or Bachmann on your program. Other than point and laugh at them, what do you do?

Not be needlessly negative?

That's an option, right?

Not a chance.

Negativity = $$$$$

meat0918: cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: . I mean, you are a Sunday political show host and you have to have Newt, Santorum, or Bachmann on your program. Other than point and laugh at them, what do you do?

Not be needlessly negative?

That's an option, right?

Not a chance.

Negativity = $$$$$

Precisely why I wish we had a BBC-like option here in the US. NPR is great, but even they had to come out and ask their audience if they wanted more fact-checking in articles.

GAT_00: violentsalvation: cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: Yeah people like Alter are bending the truth for the right. whatever, farkers.

He's a victim of the same mentality as the others. If Obama makes a good speech and Romney does something stupid like have his campaign bus drive around the venue honking, they don't have a story.

They all came across with the same basic statement, and it has nothing to do with Romney. The speech was too long, it had little or no new material, it was not good for soundbites or invigorating anyone, it was only good background noise during a cat-nap.

I haven't heard it myself, and I don't plan to. But it is entirely possible that Obama and/or the speechwriters were off and the speech did not equal what it was touted to be. THere isn't any bias here, IMHO.

Except that every single network has been statistically shown to be harsher on the President than any Republican.

Start here and advance. Every single Republican candidate had at least one period where the media was more positive than negative in regards to them. Obama never has.

God you are dumb. Let me put this simply... THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS RECEIVES HARSHER TREATMENT. They are responsible for more, they have more policy to criticize. Stop with your idiocy. Compare Obama coverage to 04 bush. Seriously you are dumb. The media didn't even investigate Obama dedicating his yearbook page to his dealer as a candidate, yet we all know how evil Ann romney is for riding horses. Grow up.

MyRandomName: THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS RECEIVES HARSHER TREATMENT.

Prove it.

violentsalvation: GAT_00: violentsalvation: cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: Yeah people like Alter are bending the truth for the right. whatever, farkers.

He's a victim of the same mentality as the others. If Obama makes a good speech and Romney does something stupid like have his campaign bus drive around the venue honking, they don't have a story.

They all came across with the same basic statement, and it has nothing to do with Romney. The speech was too long, it had little or no new material, it was not good for soundbites or invigorating anyone, it was only good background noise during a cat-nap.

I haven't heard it myself, and I don't plan to. But it is entirely possible that Obama and/or the speechwriters were off and the speech did not equal what it was touted to be. THere isn't any bias here, IMHO.

Except that every single network has been statistically shown to be harsher on the President than any Republican.

Start here and advance. Every single Republican candidate had at least one period where the media was more positive than negative in regards to them. Obama never has.

I think that study was a bit disingenuous, but it isn't trying to be. I mean, you are a Sunday political show host and you have to have Newt, Santorum, or Bachmann on your program. Other than point and laugh at them, what do you do? There is no intelligent discourse to be had. Nobody played hardball with them because some producers (I guess producers) wanted the viewers to see the derp unhindered. And the unwillingness to play hardball speaks of modern journalism sucking and not necessarily a bias.

Watch most morning shows interview.the obamas, then watch a conservative. Tell me who gets softball questions.

Yes, the person asking to be the President of the most powerful nation on earth should not give speeches that are 'Long' and 'Wordy'

ffs.

cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName: THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS RECEIVES HARSHER TREATMENT.

Prove it.

Hey farkhead. You remember my policy. Until you start citing your own posts you can go fark yourself. You cite nothing. Don't expect me to do your work. You can easily go Google 2008 media studies for the candidate or 2004 or 96 studies for the incumbent coverage.

The GOP had better be careful, or the Democrats will steal the biased media talking point just like they have been grabbing the sane planks from the Republican platform since Clinton ran in '92

MyRandomName: cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName: THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS RECEIVES HARSHER TREATMENT.

Prove it.

Hey farkhead. You remember my policy. Until you start citing your own posts you can go fark yourself. You cite nothing. Don't expect me to do your work. You can easily go Google 2008 media studies for the candidate or 2004 or 96 studies for the incumbent coverage.

i cite my posts all the time. Don't get pissy just because you can't. And it's not MY work if you are the one making the assertion. Come on.

MyRandomName: God you are dumb. Let me put this simply... THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS RECEIVES HARSHER TREATMENT. They are responsible for more, they have more policy to criticize. Stop with your idiocy. Compare Obama coverage to 04 bush. Seriously you are dumb. The media didn't even investigate Obama dedicating his yearbook page to his dealer as a candidate, yet we all know how evil Ann romney is for riding horses. Grow up.

That was derptastic, even for you. Two "dumb"s means someone really got under your skin. And "the president always receives harsher treatment" followed by "The media didn't even investigate Obama" really pulls the shiatheap together.

violentsalvation: I haven't heard it myself, and I don't plan to. But it is entirely possible that Obama and/or the speechwriters were off and the speech did not equal what it was touted to be. THere isn't any bias here, IMHO.

Huh. Well...

On the air, MSNBC's Jonathan Alter said it was "one of the worst speeches I've ever heard Barack Obama make."

"one of the worst speeches I've ever heard Barack Obama make" =/= "one of the worst speeches I've ever heard." Nice edit, derpmitter.

MyRandomName: cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName: THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS RECEIVES HARSHER TREATMENT.

Prove it.

Hey farkhead. You remember my policy. Until you start citing your own posts you can go fark yourself. You cite nothing. Don't expect me to do your work. You can easily go Google 2008 media studies for the candidate or 2004 or 96 studies for the incumbent coverage.

I thought your policy was to shiat out disgusting diarrhea for as long as you are allowed.

/I guess I was wrong.

djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.

They want a horse race.

Triumph: djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.

You're right. MSNBC isn't liberal at all.

I haven't really seen evidence that the hard news section is particularly liberal, outside of the fact that Fox News says it so often that it magically becomes the truth. Now, I'm not talking about their commentators, I'm talking hard news. Jon Stewart did a piece showing Fox News' hard news reporters making very editorial comments clearly favoring the right and using their own commentators as a 'some people say' source. But has anyone done the same to MSNBC? If they are as liberal as everyone says they are, then surely its either been done or is going to sooner or later.

SilentStrider: GAT_00: cmunic8r99: djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.

violentsalvation: MyRandomName: Watch most morning shows interview.the obamas, then watch a conservative. Tell me who gets softball questions.

There is a difference between FOX and MSNBC, sure. Everyone knows that, they report to THEIR audience. But if you don't think journalistic standards as a whole have almost completely collapsed, and collapsed without a bias, you are a fool. There are large-assed Kardashians to watch, FFS.

"This is CNN".

/worst offender in the chasing the juicy headlines business.

Yeah, they want to sink him. Remember that, peons.

Triumph: The Lone Gunman: Triumph: djkutch: Well, there's your liberal media.

You're right. MSNBC isn't liberal at all.

I haven't really seen evidence that the hard news section is particularly liberal, outside of the fact that Fox News says it so often that it magically becomes the truth. Now, I'm not talking about their commentators, I'm talking hard news. Jon Stewart did a piece showing Fox News' hard news reporters making very editorial comments clearly favoring the right and using their own commentators as a 'some people say' source. But has anyone done the same to MSNBC? If they are as liberal as everyone says they are, then surely its either been done or is going to sooner or later.

What's hard news? Election coverage? One of their main guys for that is Al Sharpton.

You ignore that they don't use the "Some people say" tactic.