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(CBS Detroit)   Madam Representative, you are free to discuss this issue, but if you use anatomically correct language like the "V" word, it will disrupt the decorum of the House and we will boot your ass out   (detroit.cbslocal.com ) divider line
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2012-06-15 02:26:43 AM  
7 votes:

Veloram: Retread her exact statement. The implications of her statement suggest that the speaker was coming on to her. If she would have said something to the effect of "you have no right to legislate over my, or other women's vaginas", then I think it would have been a bit more acceptable. It wasn't the word, it was the context. And while I agree that reproductive rights should not be tainted by laws of any sort, she was a bit over the top.


You may find this quote interesting: "There have been physical altercations between at least two men on the House floor, and I don't recall any of them every being banned from speaking," Bynum said. "It's just unacceptable to silence women when we're talking about women's reproductive rights."

Also, two representatives were banned, both women, and only one made that comment. The other was banned because she talked about vasectomies.

(Quote is from this piece: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/14/michigan-woman-lawmakers-sile nced-_n_1598168.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003&&utm_source=facebook&ut m_medium=post&utm_content=banned&utm_campaign=ppactionfb)

Also, I love how leadership referred to it as a "temper tantrum" like this adult woman is a two year old who isn't being given more juice.
2012-06-15 01:36:03 AM  
6 votes:
Yup, that's pretty much what misogyny looks like.

When men are totally comfortable with legally regulating our bodies and yet so uncomfortable when we talk about them that they have to shut us up, that's misogyny. It's ugly, it's infuriating, and it's a pretty good example of the political realities for women in this country right now.

It's actually frightening, and it probably affects us more than most of us even talk about. Some of these bans... they make me think twice about ever having children, because I don't ever want to be pregnant under these laws.
2012-06-14 06:52:49 PM  
6 votes:
"If that is the problem, really ... If you can't talk and you can't talk and you can't use the word 'vagina' - why are you legislating about vaginas?"

High five.
2012-06-15 02:39:20 AM  
4 votes:
Republicans have become obsessed with regulating vaginas to the point that the matter really does seem to be a sexual hangup. And women are correct to assert their right to say "no" to these whiny old perverted bible thumpers. She communicated this clearly. End of story, IMO.
2012-06-14 11:58:13 PM  
4 votes:

MeinRS6: You mean, make a sexually inappropriate comment regarding the Speaker of the House?


Describing an RNC video: "at the end it says "Democrats Galore." Imposed with a naked woman behind the tag line. Get it? Subtle it is not. But check out the video at around :40 seconds; a split screen that says it all. "Pussy Galore" is shown with "Starring Nancy Pelosi the Speaker" over "Pussy's" image."

Why is it ok for the RNC to make a sexually inappropriate comment regarding the Speaker of the House, but not for a Democrat?
2012-06-14 11:34:31 PM  
4 votes:
This says more about the men censoring her than it does about what she said. Anyone with a functioning brain understands this.
2012-06-14 11:03:08 PM  
4 votes:

Cataholic: Tell you what. Go to your job tomorrow and use the word "vagina" a few times so that everyone hears it. Let's see how that works out for you.


Right. Because the word "vagina" is entirely inappropriate in an abortion debate.
2012-06-14 10:54:42 PM  
4 votes:

Shaggy_C: If a man made the exact same comment in the reverse - "And finally, Mrs. Speaker - while I'm flattered that you're so interested in my penis - no means no" - you people would be up in arms about the blatant sexual harassment in the house chamber. You don't make double entendres about your anatomy in a professional setting an expect there to be no consequences. Yet a woman makes a crude, lewd comment, and it makes Republicans woman-haters. Tsk, tsk.


Perhaps, but I guess we'll never know, because there would never ever ever be an attempt to regulate a man's reproductive system like this in America.
2012-06-14 07:37:31 PM  
4 votes:
Oh my god I f*cking hate Republicans.

WTF is wrong with you assholes?
2012-06-15 09:10:03 AM  
3 votes:

WhyteRaven74: MeinRS6: But that's just it. The issue isn't with the word vagina and has everything to do with context.

Yes, given the context of what was being discussed she was entirely justified to say what she did. What business does any government have telling a woman what she can or can't do with her reproductive system?


Not only that, but republicans like to pretend that abortions are something that anonymous sluts have. The idea that real women that they know are affected by this legislation is a reality that they want to ignore.
2012-06-15 06:05:41 AM  
3 votes:

MeinRS6: But that's just it. The issue isn't with the word vagina and has everything to do with context.


Yes, given the context of what was being discussed she was entirely justified to say what she did. What business does any government have telling a woman what she can or can't do with her reproductive system?
2012-06-15 02:20:02 AM  
3 votes:

Veloram: And while I agree that reproductive rights should not be tainted by laws of any sort, she was a bit over the top.


Look, you might not want to admit it but women are under attack from the GOP right now in the so called "land of the free." Every day brings a new proposed bill or legislation trying to limit their rights and keep them as second class citizens. Meanwhile, a woman makes a snarky remark in Congress and everyone is clutching their pearls and trying not to faint. A bit over the top? Compared to what the GOP is trying to do to women, it was a barely grain of sand in the Sahara.

Let's reverse the polarity and see if you can understand what I'm saying. I don't know anything about you - your gender, race, religion, whatever. But let's say Congress was discussing legislation which would limit YOUR rights. I'll bet you'd have a snarky comment or two, and little patience for some patronizing douchebag that came along and told you "now now, that was a bit over the top".
2012-06-15 12:05:24 AM  
3 votes:
Just to be clear, voter suppression isn't enough for these fascist assholes. They want to disenfranchise voters by silencing their elected officials.

And sycophantic dumbshiats like Mein eat it up, because above all else, IOKIYAR.
2012-06-14 11:44:56 PM  
3 votes:
Cataholic: Tell you what. Go to your job tomorrow and use the word "vagina" a few times so that everyone hears it. Let's see how that works out for you.

Nobody would notice the slightest difference, because sexual health, along with prevention of HIV/AIDS and other STIs is a big part of my job. The interesting part of this little exchange is that you assumed that just because it wouldn't be appropriate to talk about vaginas at your job must mean it wouldn't be appropriate at any job.
2012-06-14 11:31:12 PM  
3 votes:

Shaggy_C: Lionel Mandrake: Does the topic being discussed involve women and their vaginas?

It amuses me to no end that you people think a uterus, a fetus, and a vagina are all the same thing.


It's also amusing that you think a transvaginal ultrasound can be done without involving the vagina.
2012-06-14 11:30:17 PM  
3 votes:

Shaggy_C: If a man made the exact same comment in the reverse - "And finally, Mrs. Speaker - while I'm flattered that you're so interested in my penis - no means no" - you people would be up in arms about the blatant sexual harassment in the house chamber. You don't make double entendres about your anatomy in a professional setting an expect there to be no consequences. Yet a woman makes a crude, lewd comment, and it makes Republicans woman-haters. Tsk, tsk.


If the House was trying to legislate something about penises, I would hope someone would speak up the way she did.
2012-06-14 11:29:56 PM  
3 votes:

Shaggy_C: Lionel Mandrake: Does the topic being discussed involve women and their vaginas?

It amuses me to no end that you people think a uterus, a fetus, and a vagina are all the same thing.


So when discussing vasectomies you shouldn't be allowed to say "penis," "testicles," or "urethra" because that surgery only involves the vas deferens?
2012-06-14 11:25:41 PM  
3 votes:
From another article:

Byrum caused a stir when she marched through the House gallery Wednesday protesting that she hadn't been allowed to speak on her amendment to the anti-abortion bill that would have required a man to have proof of a medical emergency before he could have a vasectomy.

Awesome.
2012-06-14 11:16:23 PM  
3 votes:

Shaggy_C: If a man made the exact same comment in the reverse - "And finally, Mrs. Speaker - while I'm flattered that you're so interested in my penis - no means no" - you people would be up in arms about the blatant sexual harassment in the house chamber. You don't make double entendres about your anatomy in a professional setting an expect there to be no consequences. Yet a woman makes a crude, lewd comment, and it makes Republicans woman-haters. Tsk, tsk.


I'm assuming here she was referring to the fact that one of the laws involved in the War on Women actually violates its states' rape laws. That's an entirely valid point to make, and there's nothing wrong with making it in a snappy and amusing way.
2012-06-14 10:57:39 PM  
3 votes:

zarberg: I thought I could no longer be surprised by the stupidity of the Republican party yet here I am again, surprised.

Seriously, we've voted into office people who are afraid of proper terminology of body parts that they're actively legislating on.


They should resign and let adults take their jobs. Seriously.

They won't let anyone say vagina, but they spend most of their time restricting their use? Just resign, now.
2012-06-14 10:16:42 PM  
3 votes:

MeinRS6: MorrisBird: MeinRS6: She made her little biatchy comment and is now biatching that she got her hand slapped. The Constitution remains safe for now.

You really don't get it, do you? My condolences, my friend.

Get what? She was free to make her biatchy comment and the Speaker was free to give her a little slap on the wrist. Big whoop.

But it's stupid to pretend that this is because she said the word "vagina".


Censoring an elected official for using non profane conduct and language is not just a slap on the wrist. It is disenfranchising. an entire group of her constituents. Get your head out of your partisan ass, and see that these things aren't as small and petty as you would preconceive.
2012-06-14 09:48:07 PM  
3 votes:

MeinRS6: You guys have certainly covered yourselves in weak sauce for this thread.

Well done.


I guess we're just surprised that Republicans don't like freedom of speech and are hurt by owie words.
2012-06-14 09:36:46 PM  
3 votes:

2wolves: MeinRS6: It wasn't that she said the word "vagina". It was because of the entire sentence that she said in reference to the Speaker.

She made her little biatchy comment and is now biatching that she got her hand slapped. The Constitution remains safe for now.

You still get to sit at the children's table during Thanksgiving don't you.


Not since his second appearance on To Catch A Predator, he's not.
2012-06-14 09:36:10 PM  
3 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Oh my god I f*cking hate Republicans.

WTF is wrong with you assholes?


They're alive.
2012-06-14 07:41:28 PM  
3 votes:
I think it was her use of the word "my" rather than vagina. In the context she used she crossed a line.
2012-06-14 06:52:38 PM  
3 votes:
Any woman who votes GOP clearly is a self-loather. Or really, really dumb.
2012-06-15 05:11:26 PM  
2 votes:
MeinRS6:

You really have no redeeming qualities, and you add nothing to the discussion.

Bye.
2012-06-15 02:15:40 PM  
2 votes:

demaL-demaL-yeH: Please don't tar all men with that brush.


In all fairness, I was referring specifically to the male politicians who are passing these laws.

What I meant was that being pregnant under these laws would be scary. Being pregnant in this country right now means giving up a lot of rights that I take for granted and don't want to give up. Stuff like... knowing that if I end up in an emergency room, the doctors are obligated by law to do everything they can to save my life.

Not so when you're pregnant anymore. If they're worried about the fetus, even if the fetus is going to die anyway, they're fully within their rights to refuse treatment to the woman in question. It's unconscionable and also terrifying and I don't like the idea of leaving my health and well being up to the state and to the "conscience" of individual doctors and nurses.

Also, the idea of being forced to continue a pregnancy after the baby died or after I found out it had major defects... THAT would also be terrifying.

It just seems so barbaric, how we treat pregnant women in this country, and it makes me never want to be one.
2012-06-15 01:48:56 PM  
2 votes:

StormnMormon: I'm not sure why it's "Deliberately retarded". I'm using a quote from Gawker, from the House GOP Spokesman.


Which would be the source of the retardation in question.

I just doubt that she got banned "for having a pottymouth"


Why would you doubt that, when politicians routinely make other comparisons - often with crimes and actions that are worse - without any particular fear of not being allowed to speak their mind? What is the one notable difference between the kinds of statements that don't get censored and what this lady said?
2012-06-15 01:48:25 PM  
2 votes:

StormnMormon: I have no idea how it compares to other instances


Then I don't see how you can speculate on the reason for discipline when you flat out admit you know nothing about comparable incidents.
2012-06-15 01:28:41 PM  
2 votes:

highendmighty: Probably already been said, but, it wasn't the WORD that was offensive, it was her use of the tired, sophomoric PHRASE that was offensive and seemingly out of context when it was used.


Then why haven't any of the other countless makers of sophomoric PHRASES on legislative floors been similarly disciplined?

Well?
2012-06-15 01:28:16 PM  
2 votes:

StormnMormon: I'm a little late to this party, but according to the Gawker article it says

" Concluding a speech protesting the legislation, Brown said, "And finally, Mr. Speaker, I'm flattered that you're all so interested my vagina, but 'no' means 'no.'" The remark led to an uproar, and Brown was gaveled out of order for "comparing the abortion legislation to rape," according to House GOP spokesman Ari Adler."

So i'm thinking she got gaveled for saying anyone who disagrees with her is a rapist, not because she said the word vagina.


Even if we allow for that deliberately retarded interpretation of her comments, it still doesn't make sense. Would someone be similarly censored for, say, comparing a particular tax policy to theft, or for comparing a particular foreign policy approach to giving support to terrorists?
2012-06-15 01:20:49 PM  
2 votes:

StormnMormon: when it's more of a "You can't accuse your fellow representatives of being rapists while on the house floor"


Yes, I remember how upset Republicans were when Jean Schmidt called John Murtha a coward on the House floor. Oh wait, they weren't and there were no consequences at all for Ms. Schmidt. .
2012-06-15 01:17:27 PM  
2 votes:

StormnMormon: And a little beyond that I'm just irked that people are trying to make this "repubicans are afraid of the word vagina" when it's more of a "You can't accuse your fellow representatives of being rapists while on the house floor"


Ok, let's say you're right and the punishment handed down to two women has nothing to do with sexism or misogyny. Please answer this:

There are far worse exchanges on legislative floors all the time, and nobody is silenced. Why were two women silenced as a result of this incident? Was it really that much worse than anything that has happened before? How come nobody can or will answer these simple questions?

A man can scream "YOU LIE!" at the President during the SOTU and Republicans cheer him, but a woman making a snarky comment has them clutching their pearls. Don't tell me sexism isn't a factor.
2012-06-15 11:29:06 AM  
2 votes:

henryhill: MeinRS6: You guys have certainly covered yourselves in weak sauce for this thread.

Well done.

Have you ever posted anything on Fark without being a complete asshole?


Hatred is all he has. It fuels him to live.
2012-06-15 11:19:38 AM  
2 votes:
This is not an Israel thread. Why is that dumbfark trolling it?....oh! He logged into the correct account this time.
2012-06-15 09:04:44 AM  
2 votes:

Cataholic: Tell you what. Go to your job tomorrow and use the word "vagina" a few times so that everyone hears it. Let's see how that works out for you.


Tell you what. Go to your job tomorrow and start having an abortion debate so that everyone hears. Let's see how that works out for you.
2012-06-15 06:31:39 AM  
2 votes:
Here's a better angle of Mike Bost's rant. Can you just imagine the YouTube comments, or the outrage from the Right if a (D) woman did something this?

Link

A man throws a contrived fake-ass tantrum in his state capitol and he is called a farking hero. A women says "vagina" in the context of standing up for the rights of women in that state and it's called "unprofessional conduct" and her "offensive comments" disrupted the decorum of the House."

There's something very f*cking wrong with the people who are running this country and it has nothing to do with "vagina".
2012-06-15 06:03:19 AM  
2 votes:

MeinRS6: Fark isn't a state house. You can hear the guy in the vid having to remind this twat to respect the decorum of the house. She didn't care about that. She thinks the rules don't apply to her. She is not interested in decorum. She wanted to get in her smarmy little comment and that's all she cared about. She was given a little reminder that the rules do apply to her and that she needs to watch her mouth and behave - JUST LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER MEMBERS. She isn't a special snowflake. Fark her.


That's right. If the House Majority wants to fark with her rights to privacy and health, she should just lie back, and think of England, and say nary an unkind word, instead of raising her voice to the males in the house like some vulgar slattern.
2012-06-15 05:50:08 AM  
2 votes:

Veloram: Sabyen91: Should she be banned from participating because some douchebag who is trying to get up in the vagina gets told he his getting up in the vagina?

No, and I never thought that should have been the case anyway.. But she could have presented her argument much better. She got emotional and in doing so lost potency in the message. After she said what she did, she came across as bitter and emotional (not that I blame her, because I don't). But in her attempt to make an intelligent argument as to WHY said douchebag needs to stay away from her vagina, the snide comment-- though clever-- did nothing to further her goals. She essentially wasted everyone's time. Including hers. Not to mention it gave the speaker the excuse he needed to exclude her. Now she can be painted as an emotional woman who contributes nothing to discussion and has no business in the House. You can't get emotional in times of duress, because it can be exploited as seen here.


You sound concerned.

Let's see what happens when a male lawmaker throws an epic hissy fit on the House floor. Let's see if anyone shouts him down or reprimands him.

IL Rep. Mike Bost Is Furious Over Pension Reforms

Clearly the word 'vagina' is more offense than having a temper tantrum worthy of a bratty 5-year-old.

.
2012-06-15 05:27:13 AM  
2 votes:

MeinRS6: How many times is this dumb shiat going to be repeated on the thread? I know that all of you can't be this retarded.


There is zero reason ever for any legislator to have any issue with the word vagina, regardless of context.
2012-06-15 03:54:59 AM  
2 votes:

Veloram: Sabyen91: I don't really care if you would have "handled it better". You CAN actually throw snide comments around at a House meeting. Especially if some douche is all up in your vagina. Prove me wrong, bro.

Of course you can. You can do anything you are personally capable of. If you were so inclined, you could go streaking down Pennsylvania avenue with a kielbasa crammed up your ass screaming about how it's time for tea with your hair tied up in bows. It doesn't mean that you should, though.


So, talking about how the patriarchy is up in the vagina is like streaking down Pennsylvania avenue with a kielbasa crammed up your ass screaming about how it's time for tea with your hair tied up in bows? You don't much like women, do you?
2012-06-15 03:52:36 AM  
2 votes:
At least we all agree the GOP again look like troglodytes telling women to shut up while men are talking.

Amazing.
2012-06-15 03:46:49 AM  
2 votes:

Veloram: Sabyen91: Veloram: Sabyen91: Veloram: If Congress were trying to take away my rights, and I was given the floor, I could get my message across with a bit more tact.

And if you didn't?

Did she?

The question is "If you didn't?"

But the scenario is that she WAS given the floor. If I were in her position, I would have handled it better. The end. If you want to drag an already hypothetical scenario out and open up a can of worms that really doesn't need to be that's fine. But it's getting you nowhere. You can't come across as having a legitimate argument when you're just trying to throw snide comments around at a House meeting. What did her saying that really accomplish? Nothing for her cause.


I don't really care if you would have "handled it better". You CAN actually throw snide comments around at a House meeting. Especially if some douche is all up in your vagina. Prove me wrong, bro.
2012-06-15 03:44:39 AM  
2 votes:

Veloram: Again, I am against the dictation of any person's reproductive rights (just in case you missed that part, which I can't see how since you quoted it).


Oh please. I didn't say or suggest any different. I'm saying if it was YOU under attack by the House of Representatives of the so-called land of the free, you might not be so willing to play nice with people who are trying to keep you a second class citizen.

It's not about the message, it's about the delivery.

There are antagonistic exchanges on the floor of the House all the time, and yet the offenders are never silenced. Is this incident really that much worse than anything we've seen before?
2012-06-15 03:40:14 AM  
2 votes:

Sabyen91: Oh, it was being rude? You wouldn't be here if that were a rule. Neither would I but that isn't my point. You think a state congress is made of sunshine and unicorn assholes? Some guy wants to get all up in her vagina (in a legal sense). She responded. They whined like biatches.


I love that the woman in this story has bigger balls than all of the men combined.
2012-06-15 03:31:20 AM  
2 votes:
You know what I'd like to see here? During the next session, one of the sane male reps should stand up, say "VAGINA" and sit back down. I'm curious as to what the dumbasses would do.

/Has this been asked already?
//Too many pages, too many beers.
2012-06-15 02:32:20 AM  
2 votes:

Sabyen91: Chicks just don't get it. Testosterone is ok.


Yup. When men do it, it's "impassioned rhetoric".

Or "assertive". "Strongly-worded".
2012-06-15 02:03:15 AM  
2 votes:

Veloram: Retread her exact statement. The implications of her statement suggest that the speaker was coming on to her. If she would have said something to the effect of "you have no right to legislate over my, or other women's vaginas", then I think it would have been a bit more acceptable. It wasn't the word, it was the context. And while I agree that reproductive rights should not be tainted by laws of any sort, she was a bit over the top.


So, a bit over the top would mean...not allowing her to take part the next day? How scared of pussy are these guys?
2012-06-15 12:51:37 AM  
2 votes:

LaViergeNoire: LaViergeNoire: anfrind: LaViergeNoire: PhiloeBedoe:The main problem is that by acknowledging that she has a vagina she made the men think of sex (a vagina is RIGHT HERE) when she was really making the point that the law would affect her and so she felt entitled to weigh in.


And it's her fault? Or better yet, she was the one who wasn't acting professional? And what the fark are they thinking of sex for when they are on the House floor? Goddamn dude, it's attitudes like that that piss people off. If they can't STOP thinking about sex then maybe they should get help instead of blaming women for defending their rights.
2012-06-15 12:15:28 AM  
2 votes:

MeinRS6: Wow. You guys are hopelessly retarded and partisan.


i.zdnet.com
2012-06-14 11:54:44 PM  
2 votes:

MeinRS6: pete1729: If the House was trying to legislate something about penises, I would hope someone would speak up the way she did.

You mean, make a sexually inappropriate comment regarding the Speaker of the House?

Now that's effective legislatin'.


The Speaker of the House has a personal interest in her specific vagina because the legislation impacted her and all of her constituents who have a vagina or park their meat-wagon in a vagina 1-3 times per month?

Yeah, that was totally sexual in nature and not biological, factual and politically appropriate. Totally.

Unless, of course, you haven't read the legislation they are referring to. Because, if you had, you'd see that her vagina was the point here, Dude. Sexualization was not the issue.

/Her vagina really ties the room together.
2012-06-14 11:17:39 PM  
2 votes:

Cataholic: Lost Thought 00: Cataholic: Tell you what. Go to your job tomorrow and use the word "vagina" a few times so that everyone hears it. Let's see how that works out for you.

If you work at a doctors office, I'm sure that would be fine. Just I would expect it would be fine during a Congressional speech on abortion. In fact, it's nearly impossible to discuss abortion without discussing vaginas.

Of course...how in the world can you debate about abortion without telling someone to stay out of your vagina?


At first it was inappropriate to use the word vagina at work. That didn't work, so now it's the phrase that was inappropriate.

Why do you have to lie?
2012-06-14 11:14:04 PM  
2 votes:

Cataholic: Of course...how in the world can you debate about abortion without telling someone to stay out of your vagina?


That is a perfectly applicable phrase in the debate, provided the speaker actually has one.
2012-06-14 11:05:20 PM  
2 votes:

Cataholic: Tell you what. Go to your job tomorrow and use the word "vagina" a few times so that everyone hears it. Let's see how that works out for you.


If you work at a doctors office, I'm sure that would be fine. Just I would expect it would be fine during a Congressional speech on abortion. In fact, it's nearly impossible to discuss abortion without discussing vaginas.
2012-06-14 11:04:16 PM  
2 votes:

Cataholic: Tell you what. Go to your job tomorrow and use the word "vagina" a few times so that everyone hears it. Let's see how that works out for you.


My work isn't going to involve women's health issues any time soon. And I would WANT a nurse or doctor using it. And legislators discussing issues of women's health.
2012-06-14 11:03:31 PM  
2 votes:

Shaggy_C: Like I said earlier, a man says the reverse and makes a joke about woman wanting his dick and he's getting a talking-to from HR.


Your personal experiences notwithstanding, not if he's on the floor of the legislature making a point about her getting between him and his doctor.
2012-06-14 10:49:18 PM  
2 votes:

Shaggy_C: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It was "VAGINA" the guy had a problem with.

It was used in a sexual context, not anatomical.

"Show me your foot" is not the same as "show me your tits"


Really? You can suck on toes as easily as you can the other body part. Both body parts have distinct purposes, one for locomotion, one for lactation. What's the big difference between the two?

//You seem to have a hangup about this.
2012-06-14 10:47:42 PM  
2 votes:
I thought I could no longer be surprised by the stupidity of the Republican party yet here I am again, surprised.

Seriously, we've voted into office people who are afraid of proper terminology of body parts that they're actively legislating on.
2012-06-14 10:35:46 PM  
2 votes:
Seriously, if she had said:

"And, finally, Mr. Speaker - I'm flattered that you're so interested in my vagina anatomy, but no means no."

nothing would have happened and we would not be reading about it now.

It was "VAGINA" the guy had a problem with.
2012-06-14 10:18:54 PM  
2 votes:

Nuff Said McFarky: [d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net image 485x313]


Fark, link died. Let's try that again...

i.imgur.com
2012-06-14 10:04:17 PM  
2 votes:

LaViergeNoire: anfrind: LaViergeNoire: PhiloeBedoe: I think it was her use of the word "my" rather than vagina. In the context she used she crossed a line.

"My hoo ha" or "my lady place" would have been preferable? I mean, the law would apply to her, too, specifically her vagina.

/Vagina

No, the thing is that you should never imply ownership of a vagina. It should always be "a vagina" or "the vagina", never "her vagina".

/or something like that

Maybe "this here vagina of mine".


I messed that up, with the ownership. How's this?

"And, finally, Mr. Speaker - I'm flattered that you're so interested in vaginas - I mean in general, not mine specifically - but no means no." I'm sure that wouldn't have bothered anyone.

The main problem is that by acknowledging that she has a vagina she made the men think of sex (a vagina is RIGHT HERE) when she was really making the point that the law would affect her and so she felt entitled to weigh in.
2012-06-14 10:01:09 PM  
2 votes:
Abortion is a medical procedure designed to remove a parasite from its host. Stop trying to restrict it through legislation, and let doctors to their damn jobs, you dumbfark Republican freaks.

VAGINA
2012-06-14 09:51:48 PM  
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Oh my god I f*cking hate Republicans.

WTF is wrong with you assholes?


I've said it before. Republicans have the mindset of a preschooler,
2012-06-14 09:41:30 PM  
2 votes:
The word itself makes some men uncomfortable.
2012-06-14 09:27:07 PM  
2 votes:

MeinRS6: It wasn't that she said the word "vagina". It was because of the entire sentence that she said in reference to the Speaker.

She made her little biatchy comment and is now biatching that she got her hand slapped. The Constitution remains safe for now.


You still get to sit at the children's table during Thanksgiving don't you.
2012-06-14 09:00:30 PM  
2 votes:

MeinRS6: MorrisBird: MeinRS6: She made her little biatchy comment and is now biatching that she got her hand slapped. The Constitution remains safe for now.

You really don't get it, do you? My condolences, my friend.

Get what? She was free to make her biatchy comment and the Speaker was free to give her a little slap on the wrist. Big whoop.

But it's stupid to pretend that this is because she said the word "vagina".


So, it's because Republicans are thin-skinned pussies?

OK
2012-06-14 08:28:52 PM  
2 votes:
This all started because they sponsored a bill requiring all vasectomy providers to follow the same regulations as abortion providers.

What was that thing Rmoney said the other day? "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" right?

Oh wait, new week, that no longer applies. Douchebags.
2012-06-14 08:24:30 PM  
2 votes:
It's a simple tactic to stifle discussion of the issue. It has nothing to do with dirty words.
2012-06-14 07:42:06 PM  
2 votes:
Holy balls. The last time I was surrounded by people that were uncomfortable with the word "vagina," I was in 6th grade sex-ed. The GOP is a damned disgrace.
2012-06-14 07:37:30 PM  
2 votes:
Republicans sure are pussies
2012-06-15 04:40:20 PM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Because People in power are Stupid: MeinRS6: Nina_Hartley's_Ass:

Cry more. That way no one will forget that you're a chick. ;-p

I would say that it takes one to know one, except that you are not quite a chick.

So have you come out of the closet yet? Everyone knows you're gay, so you might as well.


I'm glad you brought this up. You openly call random women that you don't know "twats". Sounds like someone is a little jealous.

Let's summarize your beliefs. We will call it the


Is MeinRS6 a closeted gay male checklist:

Jealous of women. ✓
Catty towards women ✓
Talks openly of gratuitous homosexual acts ✓
Deeply cares if people call him a homosexual and denies it to the point of repeatedly bringing it up ✓
Accuses others of being homosexual to redirect the accusation from himself ✓



You see -the check marks all belong to you.

Am I missing anything from this checklist?
2012-06-15 04:04:44 PM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Anyone find out yet when was the last time a MI Speaker barred a rep from speaking?

Oh, and all the shills here should realize the working women in this country are all too familiar with constantly having to jump higher and toe the line closer than their male counterparts so these excuses really aren't impressing anyone.

Cry more. That way no one will forget that you're a chick. ;-p


Somebody thinks I'm female?
2012-06-15 02:07:10 PM  
1 vote:
We're sexist for pointing out their sexism.
2012-06-15 01:52:28 PM  
1 vote:

Biological Ali: Why would you doubt that, when politicians routinely make other comparisons - often with crimes and actions that are worse - without any particular fear of not being allowed to speak their mind? What is the one notable difference between the kinds of statements that don't get censored and what this lady said?


This. People say horrific things on the floors of legislatures all the time and they are not punished in this way. Why is this incident so much worse?
2012-06-15 12:37:06 PM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: WhyteRaven74: MeinRS6: But that's just it. The issue isn't with the word vagina and has everything to do with context.

Yes, given the context of what was being discussed she was entirely justified to say what she did.

It's fine for you to feel that way, but you are simply wrong. She can't say what she did on the house floor. She has to follow the regular decorum just like all of the other members. She is not special. It doesn't matter what topic is being discussed.


"you lie".jpg
Decorum? Give e a farking break.
2012-06-15 12:14:19 PM  
1 vote:

StormnMormon: I'm a little late to this party, but according to the Gawker article it says

" Concluding a speech protesting the legislation, Brown said, "And finally, Mr. Speaker, I'm flattered that you're all so interested my vagina, but 'no' means 'no.'" The remark led to an uproar, and Brown was gaveled out of order for "comparing the abortion legislation to rape," according to House GOP spokesman Ari Adler."

So i'm thinking she got gaveled for saying anyone who disagrees with her is a rapist, not because she said the word vagina.


And how is she wrong? Anti-choice people are akin to rapists.
2012-06-15 11:31:52 AM  
1 vote:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: At least we all agree the GOP again look like troglodytes telling women to shut up while men are talking.

Amazing.


The important thing to remember is that whether it's Rush Limbaugh calling a Congressional witness a slut for discussing the cost and necessity of contraceptives, Republican Representative Nan Hayworth's office stating that acid should be thrown on the faces of females in favor of equal pay, or censuring the only female representatives in the Michigan State legislature over their objections in an abortion debate, any notion of a "War on Women" is entirely unsupported by facts.
2012-06-15 11:06:48 AM  
1 vote:
As always, people tend to fear what they don't understand.

-or-

We're governed by assholes.
2012-06-15 09:51:41 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: You guys have certainly covered yourselves in weak sauce for this thread.

Well done.


Have you ever posted anything on Fark without being a complete asshole?
2012-06-15 09:40:12 AM  
1 vote:
i28.photobucket.com
2012-06-15 09:35:18 AM  
1 vote:

Fluorescent Testicle: You know what I'd like to see here? During the next session, one of the sane male reps should stand up, say "VAGINA" and sit back down. I'm curious as to what the dumbasses would do.

/Has this been asked already?
//Too many pages, too many beers.


Ah, the old "poke a badger with a stick" test. Of course, a badger is actually badass, whereas modern GOP male politicians are sniveling little biatches that constantly snarl to hide the fact that they're scared of everything that isn't in their tiny comfort zone.
2012-06-15 07:56:27 AM  
1 vote:

LaViergeNoire: Using anatomical terms bothers a lot of people, especially older people. When my son was two, he followed me into the bathroom and asked, "Mommy, where's your penis?"

I told my mom, who thought it was funny, and repeated the story to a lady in her bowling league. The lady's response was "Where did he learn that WORD!!???" We now refer to his penis as his tallywhacker, his head as his thinker-thing, and his hands as his grabby-wabbies. No more of those sciency words for us!


i.ytimg.com

/oblig
2012-06-15 06:11:09 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: MeinRS6: behave like everyone else

Oh, I think they can do better than that.

Apparently not.


I'd bet the MI House is no more civilized and respectful than any other state legislature.

Or the US House for that matter.
2012-06-15 05:51:10 AM  
1 vote:
"offensive", dammit.
2012-06-15 05:16:19 AM  
1 vote:
Am I the only one who got annoyed that the article's author wrote "censored" instead of "censured"?

I'm a computer programmer, not an English nor Journalism major, and I don't make such spelling and grammar mistakes. Typos excepted.
2012-06-15 04:51:00 AM  
1 vote:

cc_rider: It's a "bit over the top" that there are only 4 women in the entire Michigan state legislature.


THIS!

Also if you can't stand someone saying vagina, you have no business being a legislator.
2012-06-15 04:14:53 AM  
1 vote:

Veloram: Hey if that's how you like to have fun, be my guest. I'm not gonna stop you. But I will shoot videos and post them all over the web. Cause that would be hilarious.


Um, ok... since you're determined to ignore a simple question I'll ask again: there are antagonistic exchanges of legislative floors all the time. Why is this one so much worse that she needs to be silenced?
2012-06-15 04:10:12 AM  
1 vote:

Veloram: Sabyen91: So, talking about how the patriarchy is up in the vagina is like streaking down Pennsylvania avenue with a kielbasa crammed up your ass screaming about how it's time for tea with your hair tied up in bows? You don't much like women, do you?

Nice! I am actually quite impressed by your perversion of context. No, seriously. Golden.


Should she be banned from participating because some douchebag who is trying to get up in the vagina gets told he his getting up in the vagina?
2012-06-15 04:07:06 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: behave like everyone else


Oh, I think they can do better than that.
2012-06-15 04:02:04 AM  
1 vote:
It's a "bit over the top" that there are only 4 women in the entire Michigan state legislature.
2012-06-15 03:43:36 AM  
1 vote:
How dare a female lawmaker use correct medical terminology to express herself around male Republicans who are trying to take away her rights and limit her freedoms. How DARE she!

I sentence these a-holes to read aloud The Vagina Monologues, during a special session which will be shown on C-SPAN, and also for them to have their Cialis and Viagra and any medical procedure having to do with their junk, regulated by the very same women legislators who were silenced.
2012-06-15 03:37:29 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: mouthy libby biatch


Left some hook showing there.
2012-06-15 03:36:54 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Fluorescent Testicle: You know what I'd like to see here? During the next session, one of the sane male reps should stand up, say "VAGINA" and sit back down. I'm curious as to what the dumbasses would do.

/Has this been asked already?
//Too many pages, too many beers.

IT WASN'T THE WORD VAGINA!


Oh, it was being rude? You wouldn't be here if that were a rule. Neither would I but that isn't my point. You think a state congress is made of sunshine and unicorn assholes? Some guy wants to get all up in her vagina (in a legal sense). She responded. They whined like biatches.
2012-06-15 03:35:02 AM  
1 vote:

Veloram: Sabyen91: Veloram: If Congress were trying to take away my rights, and I was given the floor, I could get my message across with a bit more tact.

And if you didn't?

Did she?


The question is "If you didn't?"
2012-06-15 03:30:07 AM  
1 vote:

Veloram: If Congress were trying to take away my rights, and I was given the floor, I could get my message across with a bit more tact.


And if you didn't?
2012-06-15 03:29:16 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Sabyen91: MeinRS6: Sabyen91: /You, you are a mouthy biatch.

No. You are thinking of yourself.

/see how that works?

You know what mister Glueman? I am rubber!

No. Rubber is smarter than you.


No, I have gone head to head against rubber in Jeopardy. I won.

/So there. Nana-boo-boo.
2012-06-15 03:23:40 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: I see all of the Farklibs are still dodging the very obvious reason why the chick was reprimanded.

She got in her little nasty dig, then she got a slap on the wrist for it. Can you please stop pretending that it is anything more than that?

Watch the vid. She's just another mouthy libby biatch that doesn't know how to behave in a professional situation. If a guy gets up and starts talking about his johnson, he will get the same treatment.


Mouthy libby biatch...indeed.

/You, you are a mouthy biatch.
2012-06-15 02:21:17 AM  
1 vote:
Wow, republicans are scared of the word vagina. They sure are scared of a lot of things like foreigners, science, knowledge, truth, other religions, loud noises. Is there anything republicans don't fear?

Are they all cowards?

As I recall, from my childhood, Americans aren't cowards. Does this mean that all republicans are un-American?
2012-06-15 12:36:58 AM  
1 vote:

Shaggy_C: Lionel Mandrake: Does the topic being discussed involve women and their vaginas?

It amuses me to no end that you people think a uterus, a fetus, and a vagina are all the same thing.


Well, ya sure as shiat can't have the 2nd item without the other 2... so while not the same thing, the vagina IS a point of entry INVOLVED in abortion.
2012-06-15 12:33:42 AM  
1 vote:

Emposter: Just when you think Republicans can't get more retarded.


I never think that. They've proven time and again that they can always get more retarded.
2012-06-15 12:32:10 AM  
1 vote:
Just when you think Republicans can't get more retarded.
2012-06-15 12:18:12 AM  
1 vote:

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: wait, what's the point?


The point is that sexually inappropriate remarks aimed at the Speaker of the House didn't seem to bother our friends on the Right when the Speaker's name was Nancy Pelosi. The example I gave was from a video released by the RNC. But now that the Speaker's name has an (R) after it, suddenly we have to play nice.
2012-06-15 12:17:25 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Shaggy_C: Oh, Mein, thanks for the TF! I will try not to abuse the privilege :D

I'm sure you'll be fine.

Don't let the Farklibs get you down. Laughing at them is too much fun.


This is amusing. There is no way THAT backfires.
2012-06-15 12:16:10 AM  
1 vote:

Cinaed: Vagina is a distracting and uncomfortable word for Gays everywhere.


Wrong. As a gay man I find, while I have no particular interest in vaginas, I am more comfortable with their owners than most straight men.
2012-06-15 12:15:41 AM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: Wow. You guys are hopelessly retarded and partisan.


That's what she said! Oh, wait, no, she said vagina.
2012-06-15 12:05:25 AM  
1 vote:

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Nancy Pelosi is the House Minority Leader.


At the time of the quote I posted, Pelosi was Speaker of the House. Try again.
2012-06-14 11:57:08 PM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: MorrisBird: MeinRS6: She made her little biatchy comment and is now biatching that she got her hand slapped. The Constitution remains safe for now.

You really don't get it, do you? My condolences, my friend.

Get what? She was free to make her biatchy comment and the Speaker was free to give her a little slap on the wrist. Big whoop.

But it's stupid to pretend that this is because she said the word "vagina".


Oh, you're right about that. It's because the speaker's a cross dressing control freak with vagina envy. Just like every other anti-choice man on the planet.
2012-06-14 11:54:22 PM  
1 vote:

VAGINA

2012-06-14 11:54:08 PM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: You mean, make a sexually inappropriate comment regarding the Speaker of the House?


That's not what she did.

Stand up or this will sail right over your head.

She pointed out the inappropriateness of the legislature inserting itself into a woman's relationship with her doctor by comparing it to the inappropriateness of the speaker's obviously fictional interest in her vagina.

Now you can sit down and let that sink in.
2012-06-14 11:45:20 PM  
1 vote:

Lionel Mandrake: MeinRS6: MorrisBird: MeinRS6: She made her little biatchy comment and is now biatching that she got her hand slapped. The Constitution remains safe for now.

You really don't get it, do you? My condolences, my friend.

Get what? She was free to make her biatchy comment and the Speaker was free to give her a little slap on the wrist. Big whoop.

But it's stupid to pretend that this is because she said the word "vagina".

So, it's because Republicans are thin-skinned pussies?

OK


Vaginas. Thin-skinned vaginas.
2012-06-14 11:45:10 PM  
1 vote:

JohnRanger: Shaggy_C: If a man made the exact same comment in the reverse - "And finally, Mrs. Speaker - while I'm flattered that you're so interested in my penis - no means no" - you people would be up in arms about the blatant sexual harassment in the house chamber. You don't make double entendres about your anatomy in a professional setting an expect there to be no consequences. Yet a woman makes a crude, lewd comment, and it makes Republicans woman-haters. Tsk, tsk.

Perhaps, but I guess we'll never know, because there would never ever ever be an attempt to regulate a man's reproductive system like this in America.


jeanhudson.com
2012-06-14 11:39:58 PM  
1 vote:

The Mavrick:

Why do you have to lie?


You're talking to Cataholic. It's what he does.
2012-06-14 11:32:40 PM  
1 vote:

OgreMagi: Ok, she was really censored for the cheap shot she made


You really believe she would have been banned for saying, "And, finally, Mr. Speaker - I'm flattered that you're so interested in my private parts, but no means no."?
2012-06-14 11:32:33 PM  
1 vote:

Cataholic: Lost Thought 00: Cataholic: Tell you what. Go to your job tomorrow and use the word "vagina" a few times so that everyone hears it. Let's see how that works out for you.

If you work at a doctors office, I'm sure that would be fine. Just I would expect it would be fine during a Congressional speech on abortion. In fact, it's nearly impossible to discuss abortion without discussing vaginas.

Of course...how in the world can you debate about abortion without telling someone to stay out of your vagina?


I guess by pretending that it is not a medical procedure, ignoring how conception occurs and ignoring that the medical procedure, abortion (both surgical and drug based) and if opted out of, the birth, involve things entering or exiting a woman's vagina.
2012-06-14 11:32:00 PM  
1 vote:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Holy balls. The last time I was surrounded by people that were uncomfortable with the word "vagina," I was in 6th grade sex-ed. The GOP is a damned disgrace.

2012-06-14 11:29:58 PM  
1 vote:

Shaggy_C: Lionel Mandrake: Does the topic being discussed involve women and their vaginas?

It amuses me to no end that you people think a uterus, a fetus, and a vagina are all the same thing.


What is the Female Reproductive System, Alex.
2012-06-14 11:22:21 PM  
1 vote:

Cataholic: Tell you what. Go to your job tomorrow and use the word "vagina" a few times so that everyone hears it. Let's see how that works out for you.


Does the topic being discussed involve women and their vaginas?
2012-06-14 11:07:29 PM  
1 vote:

Cataholic: Tell you what. Go to your job tomorrow and use the word "vagina" a few times so that everyone hears it. Let's see how that works out for you.


Was she just standing on the floor screaming the word vagina? Or was it appropriate to the conversation?

Why do Republicans have to lie? Why do you want to believe things that are objectively false?
2012-06-14 11:06:08 PM  
1 vote:

RedVentrue: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Shaggy_C: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It was "VAGINA" the guy had a problem with.

It was used in a sexual context, not anatomical.

"Show me your foot" is not the same as "show me your tits"

"Sexual context"?

The offending quote.

"And, finally, Mr. Speaker - I'm flattered that you're so interested in my vagina, but no means no."


"Sexual context"?
2012-06-14 10:48:50 PM  
1 vote:

Shaggy_C: It was used in a sexual context


lolwut?
2012-06-14 10:36:53 PM  
1 vote:
What was she supposed to call it? All the other words for it are considered vulgar.
2012-06-14 10:27:24 PM  
1 vote:

Lionel Mandrake: MeinRS6: MorrisBird: MeinRS6: She made her little biatchy comment and is now biatching that she got her hand slapped. The Constitution remains safe for now.

You really don't get it, do you? My condolences, my friend.

Get what? She was free to make her biatchy comment and the Speaker was free to give her a little slap on the wrist. Big whoop.

But it's stupid to pretend that this is because she said the word "vagina".

So, it's because Republicans are thin-skinned pussies?


No it's because Republicans are twats.
2012-06-14 10:23:03 PM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: But it's stupid to pretend that this is because she said the word "vagina".


I think it's stupid to pretend she'd have been silenced had she said "private business" instead.

You know I'm right.
2012-06-14 10:22:23 PM  
1 vote:

The My Little Pony Killer: cmunic8r99: Quasar: "If that is the problem, really ... If you can't talk and you can't talk and you can't use the word 'vagina' - why are you legislating about vaginas?"

High five.

twice.

Three times.


...a lady...
2012-06-14 10:22:11 PM  
1 vote:
I got a V word for republicans: vultures. Here, I kept thinking MI was far away from loonies. Even though a republican, Snider seems to contain half a brain. So, I can only hope he will veto the whole thing.
2012-06-14 10:01:21 PM  
1 vote:
2012-06-14 09:59:20 PM  
1 vote:

scruffy1: You guys are slipping. Uterus is also a no no word.


Oh for fark sakes!! Really?? These people must ask every time to turn the lights off during their visits to their OB-GYNs or urologists!!
2012-06-14 09:52:06 PM  
1 vote:
Read the FA. Wow, how do Republicans do so well in elections, yet suck so hard at semantics?

They might get some points from their base for being so rediculous, but, man, they got served on this one.
2012-06-14 09:47:48 PM  
1 vote:

Lionel Mandrake: Oh my god I f*cking hate Republicans.

WTF is wrong with you assholes?


Very succinct, welcome to the favs list.

Maybe she COULD have used a better term, may I suggest one of these?

feministing.com
2012-06-14 08:21:41 PM  
1 vote:

MeinRS6: She made her little biatchy comment and is now biatching that she got her hand slapped. The Constitution remains safe for now.


You really don't get it, do you? My condolences, my friend.
2012-06-14 08:18:07 PM  
1 vote:
It wasn't that she said the word "vagina". It was because of the entire sentence that she said in reference to the Speaker.

She made her little biatchy comment and is now biatching that she got her hand slapped. The Constitution remains safe for now.
2012-06-14 07:50:22 PM  
1 vote:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Holy balls. The last time I was surrounded by people that were uncomfortable with the word "vagina," I was in 6th grade sex-ed. The GOP is a damned disgrace.


It was a word I rarely ever said or felt comfortable with. I grew up mormon. Why yes, I would say the 2 of them are related.

Does everyone know that Queen Victoria died in 1901?
2012-06-14 07:47:23 PM  
1 vote:

Gwendolyn: For people who don't know other articles state that her speechmon the floor washer discussing her Jewish faith and their stance on reproductive health. My other comment makes nosense with the linked article.


neither does that one
2012-06-14 07:29:45 PM  
1 vote:

Quasar: "If that is the problem, really ... If you can't talk and you can't talk and you can't use the word 'vagina' - why are you legislating about vaginas?"

High five.


twice.
2012-06-14 06:50:14 PM  
1 vote:
Maude Lebowski: Does the female form make you uncomfortable, Mr. Lebowski?
The Dude: Uh, is that what this is a picture of?
Maude Lebowski: In a sense, yes. My art has been commended as being strongly vaginal which bothers some men. The word itself makes some men uncomfortable. Vagina.
The Dude: Oh yeah?
Maude Lebowski: Yes, they don't like hearing it and find it difficult to say whereas without batting an eye a man will refer to his dick or his rod or his Johnson.
The Dude: Johnson?
2012-06-14 06:23:58 PM  
1 vote:
The House then immediately passed a resolution calling for the making of sammiches by censored House members to begin immediately
 
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