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(Metro)   The WBO will investigate the Pacquiao-Bradley fight. In other news, five more boxing judges will soon inherit an unexplainable wealth   (metro.co.uk ) divider line
    More: Followup, WBO, Manny Pacquiao, Timothy Bradley, Francisco Valcarcel, split decisions, boxing  
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2012-06-14 03:10:16 PM  
If they do order a rematch, will that nullify the previous one? Or are we just being promised the rematch we already got promised right after the fight?
 
2012-06-14 03:30:55 PM  

marius2: If they do order a rematch, will that nullify the previous one? Or are we just being promised the rematch we already got promised right after the fight?


No. This will be a three fight match. Manny will win the next one, it will make millions. The backers will demand best 2 outta 3, and make millions more.
 
2012-06-14 04:02:31 PM  

marius2: If they do order a rematch, will that nullify the previous one? Or are we just being promised the rematch we already got promised right after the fight?


Not a boxing expert, or even a fan... but I'd assume the fact that money got paid out to the "winner" and "loser"... no way.
 
2012-06-14 04:09:13 PM  
So essentially nothing can come out of this other than "Yup, he should have won."
 
2012-06-14 06:51:57 PM  
Boxing died as a sport a long time ago. Now it's just a shadow of its former self
 
2012-06-14 07:49:01 PM  

marius2: So essentially nothing can come out of this other than "Yup, he should have won."


2 things can happen.

The WBO can strip Bradley.
The Athletic Commission can declare a no contest.

Doubtful either will happen.
 
2012-06-14 08:00:28 PM  
I'd rather watch the WNBA than the farce boxing has become.
 
2012-06-14 08:23:56 PM  
www.cynicalsmirk.com
 
2012-06-14 08:52:37 PM  
In all professional sports both the winner and the loser gets paid. So what's the big deal?
 
2012-06-14 08:54:26 PM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: In all professional sports both the winner and the loser gets paid. So what's the big deal?


Even something as simple as fight records are BIG deal to us*

*Nowhere near a pro fighter and with no intentions to be one or try and look like a tough dude.
 
2012-06-14 10:10:57 PM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: In all professional sports both the winner and the loser gets paid. So what's the big deal?


When was the last time boxing displayed any professionalism?
 
2012-06-14 10:29:09 PM  
All the alphabet organizations (WBA,WBC,WBO,IBF) are extremely corrupt so there's not much to this. If something is destroying boxing is these stupid organizations just giving titles away for everyone. Well that and the horrible judging.
 
2012-06-14 10:31:52 PM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: In all professional sports both the winner and the loser gets paid. So what's the big deal?


A loss makes Pacquiao lose leverage in the Mayweather negotiations and ties Pacquiao to Bradley and Bob Arum for at least another huge payday, so there's quite a few things at stake not to mention tons of money.
 
2012-06-14 10:44:08 PM  

SharkTrager: marius2: So essentially nothing can come out of this other than "Yup, he should have won."

2 things can happen.

The WBO can strip Bradley.
The Athletic Commission can declare a no contest.

Doubtful either will happen.


Keith Kiser has already said there won't even be a review of the judges. Seriously.
 
2012-06-14 10:49:50 PM  
1. It probably wasn't fixed

and

2. If it was fixed, then Pacquiao was in on it, because he wasn't boxing as well as he can, especially in the last four rounds or so.
 
2012-06-14 11:43:20 PM  

lacrossestar83: If it was fixed, then Pacquiao was in on it, because he wasn't boxing as well as he can, especially in the last four rounds or so.


Bradly is a good fighter, it's not like Pacquiao wasn't trying to hit him. Aside from that, the stats show that Pac landed more punches.
 
2012-06-15 12:15:17 AM  
They need more than three judges. Think about it...it'd be more difficult to fix a fight if there were nine.

Where there's smoke there's fire. Too many people are crying about this. The fix was in.
 
2012-06-15 12:54:19 AM  
Two things I gather from this.

a) the lack of comments exemplify the sad state of boxing today.

b) The fix was indeed in, and even still enough people will still pay to see a second and third rematch to make it all worth someones while. There really is no such thing as bad publicity.
 
2012-06-15 12:55:26 AM  
who cares
I've never seen people less excited for a rematch in scripted sports, even Cena/Lauranitis II is more in demand
 
2012-06-15 12:58:33 AM  

9beers: lacrossestar83: If it was fixed, then Pacquiao was in on it, because he wasn't boxing as well as he can, especially in the last four rounds or so.

Bradly is a good fighter, it's not like Pacquiao wasn't trying to hit him. Aside from that, the stats show that Pac landed more punches.


Oh, I agree with you there. The match is scored round by round, though, and toward the end it seemed that Pac-Man was waiting to punch until the last 40-60 seconds of a round. You gotta consider the entire round, score it, and then start over for the next round.

I feel it was a really close fight and could have gone either way, or even a draw according to some of my friends who watched it with me. If you scored it 116-112 for Manny, I'd respect that. Those screaming 119-109 probably don't watch enough boxing, though.

On a side note, I do feel that open scoring would help solve some of this, though. Have a scoreboard or whatever, and show the tally after the 4th and 8th rounds so everyone knows what's up. Maybe it would encourage more aggressive fighting in the late rounds, too.
 
2012-06-15 01:12:34 AM  

lacrossestar83: 9beers: lacrossestar83: If it was fixed, then Pacquiao was in on it, because he wasn't boxing as well as he can, especially in the last four rounds or so.

Bradly is a good fighter, it's not like Pacquiao wasn't trying to hit him. Aside from that, the stats show that Pac landed more punches.

Oh, I agree with you there. The match is scored round by round, though, and toward the end it seemed that Pac-Man was waiting to punch until the last 40-60 seconds of a round. You gotta consider the entire round, score it, and then start over for the next round.

I feel it was a really close fight and could have gone either way, or even a draw according to some of my friends who watched it with me. If you scored it 116-112 for Manny, I'd respect that. Those screaming 119-109 probably don't watch enough boxing, though.

On a side note, I do feel that open scoring would help solve some of this, though. Have a scoreboard or whatever, and show the tally after the 4th and 8th rounds so everyone knows what's up. Maybe it would encourage more aggressive fighting in the late rounds, too.


Open scoring is already used by the WBC in pretty much every nation outside the US. Most people hate it because while one fighter will get aggressive it takes a lot of drama out of the fight and in the flipside the other fighter will get complacent and can just run and cruise his way to a decision. I don't really know how to feel about it to be honest.
 
2012-06-15 01:30:22 AM  

lacrossestar83: 1. It probably wasn't fixed

and

2. If it was fixed, then PacquiaoMayweather and/or his handlers was/were in on it, because he wasn't boxing as well as he can, especially in the last four rounds or so it gives him more reason to duck Pacman like a biatch.


FTFY
 
2012-06-15 02:47:17 AM  
Open scoring sounds good in theory, but it really just leads to running in the later rounds.
 
2012-06-15 02:52:03 AM  

Mark Ratner: They need more than three judges. Think about it...it'd be more difficult to fix a fight if there were nine.


I think they should have three judges for each side of the ring, +1 tiebreaker up in a press box who has access to all the camera angles and instant replays, so 13 judges overall.

Let's see them bookie motherfarkers fix the matches NOW.
 
2012-06-15 03:04:41 AM  

JorgiX: lacrossestar83: 9beers: lacrossestar83: If it was fixed, then Pacquiao was in on it, because he wasn't boxing as well as he can, especially in the last four rounds or so.

Bradly is a good fighter, it's not like Pacquiao wasn't trying to hit him. Aside from that, the stats show that Pac landed more punches.

Oh, I agree with you there. The match is scored round by round, though, and toward the end it seemed that Pac-Man was waiting to punch until the last 40-60 seconds of a round. You gotta consider the entire round, score it, and then start over for the next round.

I feel it was a really close fight and could have gone either way, or even a draw according to some of my friends who watched it with me. If you scored it 116-112 for Manny, I'd respect that. Those screaming 119-109 probably don't watch enough boxing, though.

On a side note, I do feel that open scoring would help solve some of this, though. Have a scoreboard or whatever, and show the tally after the 4th and 8th rounds so everyone knows what's up. Maybe it would encourage more aggressive fighting in the late rounds, too.

Open scoring is already used by the WBC in pretty much every nation outside the US. Most people hate it because while one fighter will get aggressive it takes a lot of drama out of the fight and in the flipside the other fighter will get complacent and can just run and cruise his way to a decision. I don't really know how to feel about it to be honest.


They fight until someone is down for ten.
 
2012-06-15 03:16:59 AM  
The apologist in this thread made me think I was in the politics forum.... Sheesh.
 
2012-06-15 04:10:54 AM  

lacrossestar83: 9beers: lacrossestar83: If it was fixed, then Pacquiao was in on it, because he wasn't boxing as well as he can, especially in the last four rounds or so.

Bradly is a good fighter, it's not like Pacquiao wasn't trying to hit him. Aside from that, the stats show that Pac landed more punches.

Oh, I agree with you there. The match is scored round by round, though, and toward the end it seemed that Pac-Man was waiting to punch until the last 40-60 seconds of a round. You gotta consider the entire round, score it, and then start over for the next round.

I feel it was a really close fight and could have gone either way, or even a draw according to some of my friends who watched it with me. If you scored it 116-112 for Manny, I'd respect that. Those screaming 119-109 probably don't watch enough boxing, though.

On a side note, I do feel that open scoring would help solve some of this, though. Have a scoreboard or whatever, and show the tally after the 4th and 8th rounds so everyone knows what's up. Maybe it would encourage more aggressive fighting in the late rounds, too.


You can explain some of the later rounds sure. Pacquiao felt he was way up so he didn't have to kill himself trying to run the opponent down. However, how do you explain the two judges scorecards early on when Pacquiao was dominating and had Bradley rocked? It simply defies logic and common sense that 2 judges could have had it that wrong. I mean hell, when the winning corner doesn't think its that close and the fighter himself isn't sure, that tells you something.

Open scoring can give guidence, but sometimes it doesn't make for interesting fights. Certainly it would have helped Pacquiao know something was up and to try and finish him off. However, as others have stated, in can also lead to people sitting on leads. Of course it also give the opponents knowledge that they need to get desperate so I think the benefits outweigh the detriments. However nothing will stop incompetent/corrupt judges from spoiling fights. Thats why fighters always need to remember that they can control their own destiny by making sure the fight never gets to the judges.
 
2012-06-15 06:41:36 AM  

lacrossestar83: Those screaming 119-109 probably don't watch enough boxing, though.


That might be the dumbest comment I've seen in the sports tab, holy shiat, you must have just started watching fights or something. The fight wasn't close and every boxing fan that wasn't a judge saw that. That fight wasn't close in any way, shape, or form, it was a total beat down.
 
2012-06-15 10:54:41 AM  

TheJoe03: lacrossestar83: Those screaming 119-109 probably don't watch enough boxing, though.

That might be the dumbest comment I've seen in the sports tab, holy shiat, you must have just started watching fights or something. The fight wasn't close and every boxing fan that wasn't a judge saw that. That fight wasn't close in any way, shape, or form, it was a total beat down.


You sound like one of the commentators for the fight
 
2012-06-15 11:41:45 AM  

lacrossestar83: TheJoe03: lacrossestar83: Those screaming 119-109 probably don't watch enough boxing, though.

That might be the dumbest comment I've seen in the sports tab, holy shiat, you must have just started watching fights or something. The fight wasn't close and every boxing fan that wasn't a judge saw that. That fight wasn't close in any way, shape, or form, it was a total beat down.

You sound like one of the commentators for the fight


Every major boxing writer I've seen had it 119-109 (Rafael) or 118-110. You sound blind.
 
2012-06-15 04:43:05 PM  
I'm a big Manny and boxing fan.

I just watched the fight off a download. Bradley won the fight 7 rounds to 5. Seriously. I never thought I would see a fight where Pacman got outworked, but it did happen. Pacquiao landed harder punches, but he didn't throw enough. I had given him the benefit of the doubt in other fight because he throws so many punches. Bradley never stopped. One of the reasons I believe Pac can beat Mayweather is the fact he does outwork his opponents. He did not last Sat. night.

/was mad when i heard the news of a controversial decision
//not mad now
///seriously
 
2012-06-15 06:20:10 PM  

Kouvre: lacrossestar83: 1. It probably wasn't fixed

and

2. If it was fixed, then PacquiaoMayweather and/or his handlers was/were in on it, because he wasn't boxing as well as he can, especially in the last four rounds or so it gives him more reason to duck Pacman like a biatch.

FTFY


Oh good, another clueless a-hole who thinks he knows the fight game. Mayweather wants to fight Pacquiao. If he fights Pacquiao he'll make about $75 million dollars for the night, $40 mil for fighting and another $35 mil for his share of the promoting. Pacquiao wants to fight Mayweather. He'll make $40 mil for the fight, rather than about $15 Mil if the PPV goes really well for Bradley-Pacquiao II. Bob Arum wants Pacquiao to fight Bradley or anyone else as long as he's their promoter. He makes about $45 mil out of the $75 mil total receipts if he promotes both fighters and only $35 mil out of the $160 mil total on a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.

Mayweather and Pacquiao have had deals done about four times to hold this fight. Guess who keeps screwing things up?

\It's Bob Arum.
\\The hammer is my penis.
 
2012-06-15 06:44:07 PM  
Nothing will happen with the probe--its all smoke and mirrors.
Arum's "outrage" is BS, as he gets one last big money fight with Pacquiao where he gets a lion's cut from both fighters. If Pac had won, Floyd and co. would be looking for a fight next summer after a Floyd tuneup, leaving Arum and Top Rank with an average stake in the whole thing and no guaranteed money after that (Pac's deal runs out soon). This was all done from inside Top Rank. Duane Ford has been a Top Rank Stooge forever. Boxing is ridiculously crooked, inept and corrupt....even more than the David Stern League.

At the end of the day, the stink of this bad a decision will only last until Nov, and it isnt like Pac had never lost before. Plus, Pack got paid 25mil+ before taxes.
So its all good.
 
2012-06-15 10:49:49 PM  

Curt Blizzah: I'm a big Manny and boxing fan.

I just watched the fight off a download. Bradley won the fight 7 rounds to 5. Seriously. I never thought I would see a fight where Pacman got outworked, but it did happen. Pacquiao landed harder punches, but he didn't throw enough. I had given him the benefit of the doubt in other fight because he throws so many punches. Bradley never stopped. One of the reasons I believe Pac can beat Mayweather is the fact he does outwork his opponents. He did not last Sat. night.

/was mad when i heard the news of a controversial decision
//not mad now
///seriously


You didn't watch that close because all those punches Bradley threw didn't land. You don't get credit for hitting air, arms or gloves, and that's all he hit.
 
2012-06-16 11:51:19 AM  

Curt Blizzah: I'm a big Manny and boxing fan.

I just watched the fight off a download. Bradley won the fight 7 rounds to 5. Seriously. I never thought I would see a fight where Pacman got outworked, but it did happen. Pacquiao landed harder punches, but he didn't throw enough. I had given him the benefit of the doubt in other fight because he throws so many punches. Bradley never stopped. One of the reasons I believe Pac can beat Mayweather is the fact he does outwork his opponents. He did not last Sat. night.

/was mad when i heard the news of a controversial decision
//not mad now
///seriously


Assuming you're serious...

Punch stats aren't gospel, but they're a good indicator, and they indicate you smoked enough meth to kill a horse while watching the fight.
 
2012-06-16 11:55:40 AM  

scandalrag: Kouvre: lacrossestar83: 1. It probably wasn't fixed

and

2. If it was fixed, then PacquiaoMayweather and/or his handlers was/were in on it, because he wasn't boxing as well as he can, especially in the last four rounds or so it gives him more reason to duck Pacman like a biatch.

FTFY

Oh good, another clueless a-hole who thinks he knows the fight game. Mayweather wants to fight Pacquiao. If he fights Pacquiao he'll make about $75 million dollars for the night, $40 mil for fighting and another $35 mil for his share of the promoting. Pacquiao wants to fight Mayweather. He'll make $40 mil for the fight, rather than about $15 Mil if the PPV goes really well for Bradley-Pacquiao II. Bob Arum wants Pacquiao to fight Bradley or anyone else as long as he's their promoter. He makes about $45 mil out of the $75 mil total receipts if he promotes both fighters and only $35 mil out of the $160 mil total on a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.

Mayweather and Pacquiao have had deals done about four times to hold this fight. Guess who keeps screwing things up?

\It's Bob Arum.
\\The hammer is my penis.


You're crazy if you think Mayweather really wants to fight Pac, and your idea of what a boxing promoter takes as a percentage is also way off. Arum/GB/DiBella/etc aren't Zuffa.
 
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