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(Discovery)   Researchers discover that when you apply torchlight to the 30,000 year-old cave paintings in the south of France, they become the world's oldest cartoons   (news.discovery.com) divider line 71
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2012-06-14 04:01:58 PM
By the way I think a Thaumatrope is a fancy name for one of these:
brightbytes.com

the interesting question being, if we understood how to make these inthe Paleolithic, how did we lose the tech until the late 18th century?
 
2012-06-14 04:05:57 PM

Magorn: By the way I think a Thaumatrope is a fancy name for one of these:
[brightbytes.com image 360x234]

the interesting question being, if we understood how to make these inthe Paleolithic, how did we lose the tech until the late 18th century?


I'm sure we've had many "dark ages" type eras over the last 30,000 years where a lot of "tech" was lost. Not sure "tech" is the right word, but I get your point.

Lots of things like math and the like were found to be "discovered" well before we thought so. But it could very well be that it was "re-discovered" when we thought becuse the original concepts were lost when a certain civilization died out and didn't share their learning with other civilizations.
 
2012-06-14 04:25:30 PM
thanks subby
that was some amazing shiat
 
2012-06-14 04:47:30 PM
 
2012-06-14 04:53:27 PM

brap: Booooooo! No like Charging Yak! Yargo want Boxing Beauties! Also, popcorn cold, FOCUS! That's it, Yargo smashia


those are so cool. I remember an old-timey arcade had those when I was a kid.
 
2012-06-14 05:04:29 PM
i253.photobucket.com

I just got back from a preview of Mongo Bayatthemoon's sophomore feature Galloping Yak And I must say after his debut, the brilliant Sabre Tooth Tiger, Gonna Git You Sucka! I am thouroughly dissapointed.

Whereas Sabre Tooth drew us in with it's depth of character and enticing only glorious white tusk-like menace. Yak left me wanting more. Much much more.

Half the time I was watching the barely over an hour "Galloping Yak" (is it just me or are directors really skimping on torch-length nowadays). I wondered, what is that Yak's motivation? It's galloping but it doesn't seem to be galloping TOWARDS or AWAY from anything. Perhaps the introduction of a Sabre Tooth Tiger would have made it's fleeing believable, or perhaps some grass or a carrot, or a sexy she-Yak in heat could have been painted in front of the yak to convince us that it had something to hurry towards.

Unfortunately this woodenly painted yawner does nothing promised new beyond what we saw in last year's preview, which frankly gave the whole thing away. Yes there was a yak, and yes it appeared to gallop. But where were the laughs, the suspense, the intrigue?

Two knuckle drags down, way down.

Save your hides, bits of shiny stuff, and barterable goods and wait for what looks like a much more promising cave painting movie that's due to come out next week. "Freaky Furday" in which an immature and crazy acting young marmot finds itself magically exchanged into the body of its wiser and much more conservative mother and visa-versa. Finally a plot twist that will NEVER get old!
 
2012-06-14 05:44:34 PM
What an incredible discovery. I love stuff like this.

And a winner is you, brap.
 
2012-06-14 07:09:10 PM

Magorn:
the interesting question being, if we understood how to make these inthe Paleolithic, how did we lose the tech until the late 18th century?


We've lost a lot of tech over the years, only to rediscover it fresh all over again. It's one of the reasons It Was Aliens is such an intellectually dishonest and insulting argument to make.
 
2012-06-14 07:33:34 PM
Yeah, but they're not that great.

www.dcmstudiosonline.com
 
2012-06-14 07:37:31 PM
neonlibrary.com
 
2012-06-14 07:50:19 PM
Still better then Diablo 3.
 
2012-06-14 07:57:25 PM

BumpInTheNight: Still better then Diablo 3.


Ranged classes have a clear advantage when hunting things ten times your size.
 
2012-06-14 08:00:41 PM

brap: Booooooo! No like Charging Yak! Yargo want Boxing Beauties! Also, popcorn cold, FOCUS! That's it, Yargo smash!


Holy crap. They had foxy boxing in the 1800's?
 
2012-06-14 08:01:55 PM
Those were some cool exemples.
 
2012-06-14 08:12:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWfIeWFWBio&feature=fvwp

NSFW


but still neat, some Edward Muybridge.

Hoping to find the movie of Stookie Bill. That one will haunt your dreams forever.
 
2012-06-14 08:32:19 PM

Magorn:
the interesting question being, if we understood how to make these inthe Paleolithic, how did we lose the tech until the late 18th century?


The tech always dies out right after the invention of the Reality genre. It remains lost until the previous Snooki iteration leaves the racial memory.
 
2012-06-14 08:37:26 PM

Magorn: By the way I think a Thaumatrope is a fancy name for one of these:
[brightbytes.com image 360x234]

the interesting question being, if we understood how to make these inthe Paleolithic, how did we lose the tech until the late 18th century?


Some of those 'techs' weren't really lost but carefully hidden by that powers that be.

This example is an intersting one. Looks like 30K years ago people we're cultured enough to want and create some form of art/entertainment.
 
2012-06-14 08:53:15 PM
"Prehistoric man foreshadowed one of the fundamental characteristics of visual perception, retinal persistence,"
Yeah, I don't think so.....



i486.photobucket.com
"Ooh, ooh. Look everybody what Thak can do! Thak run out of room on wall for more pictures, so Thak just draw over old ones! Thak thinks possibilities are multitudinous!"
 
2012-06-14 09:03:15 PM
They've known this since the 60's. Before that really.
 
2012-06-14 09:05:11 PM

Magorn: By the way I think a Thaumatrope is a fancy name for one of these:


the interesting question being, if we understood how to make these inthe Paleolithic, how did we lose the tech until the late 18th century?


I blame Christians
 
2012-06-14 09:08:33 PM

limboslam: so Thak just draw over old ones! Thak thinks possibilities are multitudinous!"


I think you're just jealous that Thak MacFarlane's descendant is continuing this proud tradition thousands of years later.
 
2012-06-14 09:16:52 PM
This is, perhaps one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Thanks. A figurative 'my god, it's full of stars' moment.
 
2012-06-14 09:21:27 PM

BumpInTheNight: Still better then Diablo 3.


I completely read that as "Dildo 3".
 
2012-06-14 09:25:44 PM
limboslam:
"Ooh, ooh. Look everybody what Thak can do! Thak run out of room on wall for more pictures, so Thak just draw over old ones! Thak thinks possibilities are multitudinous!"

Haha no. By 30,000 years ago, ancient humans were essentially biologically the same as us. As intelligent as us, just not as knowledgeable in most ways (that don't involve surviving in the wilderness). I totally believe they could invent this.
 
2012-06-14 09:29:05 PM

No Such Agency: limboslam:
"Ooh, ooh. Look everybody what Thak can do! Thak run out of room on wall for more pictures, so Thak just draw over old ones! Thak thinks possibilities are multitudinous!"

Haha no. By 30,000 years ago, ancient humans were essentially biologically the same as us. As intelligent as us, just not as knowledgeable in most ways (that don't involve surviving in the wilderness). I totally believe they could invent this.


i486.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-14 09:30:40 PM
When you have nothing to do all day, but think about what those big ponies and giant predators look like, you're going to really understand what they look like. Those big cat drawings were amazing. Interesting to think how realism in art went seriously downhill after that when artists learned from other artists instead of drawing what they actually saw.
 
2012-06-14 09:32:29 PM
pffffff I did the same thing on a Commodore 64
 
2012-06-14 09:48:05 PM
They have since discovered that this was an animated gif site made by a group of pre-humans called "cavechan".
 
2012-06-14 09:57:40 PM
greenobles.com
Before the fall when they wrote it on the wall
When there wasn't even any Hollywood

Steely Dan, The Caves Of Altamira
 
2012-06-14 10:00:23 PM
www.smbc-comics.com
 
2012-06-14 10:08:01 PM
It bugs me that people think that our upper paleo-ancestors had to be dumb. They weren't. Their brains were as big as ours. They just didn't have the technology. They were innovative and resourceful. That is why they thrived. I especially get irked at the people that insist they had outside help.There is no need to call in extraterrestrials to help out our supposedly retarded ancestors. They figured it out for themselves.
 
2012-06-14 10:11:27 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-14 10:18:44 PM
Researchers discover that when you apply torchlight to the 30,000 year-old cave paintings in the south of France, they become the world's oldest cartoons

i50.tinypic.com

I'm not sure I see it, am I doing it wrong?
 
2012-06-14 10:37:59 PM
Some random cave art -

www.mazzaroth.com

jaspert.free.fr

www.cartage.org.lb



static.ddmcdn.com

/hope they show up
 
2012-06-14 10:41:01 PM
Those fools! Don't they know that the bunyip's going to get them?
 
2012-06-14 10:45:05 PM
www.exittwentyseven.com

FRIGHTENING cartoons
 
2012-06-14 10:46:52 PM

kim jong-un: This is, perhaps one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.


This. Awesome.
 
2012-06-14 10:47:45 PM
www.maggiore.net

The inventor of moving wall pictures.
 
2012-06-14 10:48:54 PM

Znuh: BumpInTheNight: Still better then Diablo 3.

I completely read that as "Dildo 3".


Yes, I bet you did.
 
2012-06-14 10:49:31 PM
GIFs of the Gods
 
2012-06-14 10:50:09 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Znuh: BumpInTheNight: Still better then Diablo 3.

I completely read that as "Dildo 3".

Yes, I bet you did.


I did!
 
2012-06-14 10:55:39 PM
cdn.chud.com
 
2012-06-14 11:11:51 PM

Hand Banana: [www.maggiore.net image 320x240]

The inventor of moving wall pictures.


Green Acres intro with bonus racist Flintstones clip.
Youtube
 
2012-06-14 11:11:55 PM
imageshack.us
 
2012-06-14 11:28:07 PM

The_Philosopher_King: It bugs me that people think that our upper paleo-ancestors had to be dumb. They weren't. Their brains were as big as ours. They just didn't have the technology. They were innovative and resourceful. That is why they thrived. I especially get irked at the people that insist they had outside help.There is no need to call in extraterrestrials to help out our supposedly retarded ancestors. They figured it out for themselves.


I've long pondered the popularity of shows like 'Ancient Aliens,' especially given that Giorgio A. "Car Wash Hair" Tsoukalos is about as plausible an expert on these topics as anyone else with a degree in sports, entertainment, and communication. (Why don't the colleges just be honest and create an explicit Wastoid major?)

One suspicion I have is that modern-day Americans need to be able to believe that comparatively primitive peoples would likely be incapable of acts of sophistication. Why? 9/11, that's why. I think a very large number of Americans are freaked out by the notion that people they consider culturally inferior could possibly sucker punch what they perceive as the greatest and most powerful nation ever. I think the refusal to accept even the possibility of that is what fuels a great deal of the Truther movement: better an evil conspiracy on our part than successful conniving on theirs, or else we'd be confronted with the ugly reality of our own bigotry. But I think it goes back even further. I think that Westerners have long needed to feed their mythology of 'primitive' peoples from other parts of the planet. How else can we assuage the inevitable pangs of conscience about how we've treated them the last few centuries, without admitting that we're not fundamentally better than they are?

Evidence? Look at how differently ancient Greeks and Romans are depicted in popular culture. Greeks are wise and noble, and invariably White. Egyptians strong but superstitious, and invariably Black. In reality, they were co-existing and very similar cultures, in terms of knowledge and technology, and shared a great deal. (Cleopatra herself was ethnically Greek.) And in racial terms, they were all Mediterraneans. So why would they be depicted so differently? Well, for one thing, Greeks are the mythical forebears of Western culture, while Egyptians are the people who enslaved the ancient Hebrews and worshipped snakes or some weird stuff like that. It's important to Western pride that ancient Egyptians be dissimilar -- and culturally inferior -- to ancient Greeks.

Ancient humans get lumped together in the popular mind as one people, though they were actually many, but universally 'primitive' for purposes of modern reckoning. Because of our cultural need to imagine much more recent peoples as primitive, and inherently inferior, it's very helpful to that mythos to imagine ancient peoples who genuinely were primitive as inferior also. Not just technologically, but can't-pile-rocks inferior. Rock-stupid, as they say.

It's just a notion, but I keep thinking it anyway.
 
2012-06-14 11:39:34 PM

lewismarktwo: They've known this since the 60's. Before that really.


Yes, I was wondering if someone would point this out. This is not a new discovery. It's still cool as all get-out, but we've known for most of my life that the cave paintings appear animated under flickering light.
 
2012-06-14 11:47:56 PM
GIFs.

So easy, a cave man can do it.
 
2012-06-15 12:37:54 AM
Downhill since the 4th season.
 
2012-06-15 01:10:16 AM

Magorn: the interesting question being, if we understood how to make these inthe Paleolithic, how did we lose the tech until the late 18th century?


The Romans knew how to paint with single point perspective over 2,000 years ago. That got lost. And now you get art historians drooling over the Italians during renaissance discovering it. Which they didn't. They were beaten by a couple decades by the painters up in Flanders, present day Belgium, by a couple decades. Only thing is, with the painters of Flanders we have no idea who figured it out or when or how, unlike with the Italians.
 
2012-06-15 01:43:33 AM

WhyteRaven74: Only thing is, with the painters of Flanders we have no idea who figured it out or when or how, unlike with the Italians.


www.tintastic.co.uk
 
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