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2012-06-14 03:42:45 PM
So you have to do more recruiting locally, big deal.

But I guess since you can't just pick and choose from the best across the country, people will figure out you are not that great a coach and just got to ride on the coattails of superior players...
 
2012-06-14 04:25:13 PM
the ncaa should just farking disappear. who cares if they pay for travel? stupid farking ncaa is stupid.
 
2012-06-14 04:38:50 PM

Slives: I guess since you can't just pick and choose from the best across the country, people will figure out you are not that great a coach and just got to ride on the coattails of superior players...


He also had superior coordinators such Greg Mattison, who found Tebow for him and went on to coach a very successful Ravens defense in the NFL. It's not a coincidence that Meyer retired shortly after Tebow was drafted; he knew he had nothing left in the cupboard. There was that whole heart condition shiat but (now that he's HC for a team involved in one of the most bitter rivalries in all sports) I think it's established that it wasn't nearly as much on his mind as he claimed. The guy is smart, but he's also a very polished marketing guy.

Guess who Mattison works for now. This will get interesting.
 
2012-06-14 04:39:09 PM
The NCAA allows five official visits to schools, paid for by the institutions, during an athlete's senior year.

So you can bring in a student 5 times, where you can spend a couple days or so each time working on conditioning etc. whatever you need to do and that's not enough? Do you want them there every weekend? Makes no sense.
 
2012-06-14 04:46:11 PM

Slives: So you have to do more recruiting locally, big deal.

But I guess since you can't just pick and choose from the best across the country, people will figure out you are not that great a coach and just got to ride on the coattails of superior players...


He had it easy at floriduh where some of the best athlete live in about a 3-4 state radius and he could see them easily. Now it will be interesting how good of a coach he really is since its not easy convincing a kid to come to the exciting city of Columbus which has basically nothing around it worth seeing.
 
2012-06-14 04:51:18 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: The NCAA allows five official visits to schools, paid for by the institutions, during an athlete's senior year.

So you can bring in a student 5 times, where you can spend a couple days or so each time working on conditioning etc. whatever you need to do and that's not enough? Do you want them there every weekend? Makes no sense.


I interpreted that as kids can only get 5 paid trips from colleges total. Now, I don't know why a top athlete choosing a school would need to make more than 5 trips to decide, but I was not a top anything in HS.

I do get why a limit makes sense as getting a year's worth of free paid vacations from colleges would lead to an overt bidding war. The NCAA wants to pretend really hard that it's not about the money, when that is in fact the only thing it is about.
 
2012-06-14 04:51:53 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: The NCAA allows five official visits to schools, paid for by the institutions, during an athlete's senior year.

So you can bring in a student 5 times, where you can spend a couple days or so each time working on conditioning etc. whatever you need to do and that's not enough? Do you want them there every weekend? Makes no sense.


No, each student athlete is only permitted to take five "official" visits total to all schools combined. The athlete can only take one "official" visit to a school. So, if an athlete is being recruited by 10 different schools, he can take only five "official" visits to five schools which will be paid for by the schools. If he wants to visit the other five schools before deciding, he must take "unofficial" visits and pay his own way. If he wants to have a second (or third, fourth, etc.) visit to a school, those also must be "unofficial" visits and he must pay his own way.

/Substitute "she" and "her" if you prefer to read it that way.
 
2012-06-14 04:52:33 PM
I wasn't a student-athlete in college. I had to pay my own way to the three campuses I visited. Why should the athletes be treated any differently?
 
2012-06-14 04:54:35 PM

What in The: I wasn't a student-athlete in college. I had to pay my own way to the three campuses I visited. Why should the athletes be treated any differently?


because they are better athletes than you. and because of that the schools are willing to pay.
 
2012-06-14 05:15:42 PM

steamingpile: Slives: So you have to do more recruiting locally, big deal.

But I guess since you can't just pick and choose from the best across the country, people will figure out you are not that great a coach and just got to ride on the coattails of superior players...

He had it easy at floriduh where some of the best athlete live in about a 3-4 state radius and he could see them easily. Now it will be interesting how good of a coach he really is since its not easy convincing a kid to come to the exciting city of Columbus which has basically nothing around it worth seeing.


Most of the major college football teams are in boring cities. The only exceptions that have had a lot of success recently are Texas and USC. Is Columbus really any less interesting than Tuscaloosa or Norman? Having said that, you're right that it doesn't help that Ohio has less high school talent than the south. It's easier to get a kid to spend four years in a boring city if his friends and family are nearby
 
2012-06-14 06:04:54 PM
I so hate that they hired this fark. I can't decide if I can honestly cheer for OSU with him as coach.
 
2012-06-14 06:07:09 PM
No, Urban Meyer wants to be able to pay kids to attend his "leadership" camp, where he can teach them how to behave like men. Because the umpteenmillion of his players at Florida who got arrested show nobody can teach how to be a good citizen like Urban Meyer.
 
2012-06-14 06:15:43 PM
Congratulations OSU. You've replaced Jim Tressel with somebody worse.
 
2012-06-14 06:16:06 PM

That_Dude: steamingpile: Slives: So you have to do more recruiting locally, big deal.

But I guess since you can't just pick and choose from the best across the country, people will figure out you are not that great a coach and just got to ride on the coattails of superior players...

He had it easy at floriduh where some of the best athlete live in about a 3-4 state radius and he could see them easily. Now it will be interesting how good of a coach he really is since its not easy convincing a kid to come to the exciting city of Columbus which has basically nothing around it worth seeing.

Most of the major college football teams are in boring cities. The only exceptions that have had a lot of success recently are Texas and USC. Is Columbus really any less interesting than Tuscaloosa or Norman? Having said that, you're right that it doesn't help that Ohio has less high school talent than the south. It's easier to get a kid to spend four years in a boring city if his friends and family are nearby


I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure only Florida, Texas and California have more players in the NFL than Ohio. I wouldn't say Columbus suffers from a lack of local talent.
 
2012-06-14 06:23:25 PM

bubbaprog: No, Urban Meyer wants to be able to pay kids to attend his "leadership" camp, where he can teach them how to behave like men. Because the umpteenmillion of his players at Florida who got arrested show nobody can teach how to be a good citizen like Urban Meyer.


But it's all good, because its balanced by Jesus of East Rutherford.
 
2012-06-14 06:39:56 PM

oryx: Congratulations OSU. You've replaced Jim Tressel with somebody worse.


Jim Tressel was actually pretty good and was fired people got all pissed for little reason. The same people who say New Orleans had too harsh a punishment think the NCAA was lenient to only fire Tressel. Probably had something to do with people love hating OSU and he was actually pretty good.
 
2012-06-14 06:44:03 PM
So they change the rule. Then East Buttfarked Middle State sues because they don't have the resources to pay an endless amount of kids to see their campus/stadium. It doesn't matter that they had a snowballs chance in hell of signing any players that osu or any of the others are offering. It's an unfair recruiting advantage for the big boys.
 
2012-06-14 09:53:24 PM
*wondering where the Sandusky trial threads are*
 
2012-06-14 10:00:28 PM
My son is a sr in high school next year. Maybe if things are bad enough at ohio state he'll get a look
 
2012-06-14 10:52:35 PM

holdmybones: That_Dude: steamingpile: Slives: So you have to do more recruiting locally, big deal.

But I guess since you can't just pick and choose from the best across the country, people will figure out you are not that great a coach and just got to ride on the coattails of superior players...

He had it easy at floriduh where some of the best athlete live in about a 3-4 state radius and he could see them easily. Now it will be interesting how good of a coach he really is since its not easy convincing a kid to come to the exciting city of Columbus which has basically nothing around it worth seeing.

Most of the major college football teams are in boring cities. The only exceptions that have had a lot of success recently are Texas and USC. Is Columbus really any less interesting than Tuscaloosa or Norman? Having said that, you're right that it doesn't help that Ohio has less high school talent than the south. It's easier to get a kid to spend four years in a boring city if his friends and family are nearby

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure only Florida, Texas and California have more players in the NFL than Ohio. I wouldn't say Columbus suffers from a lack of local talent.


In pretty sure Louisiana is #1 by a mile and Alabama is behind them.
 
2012-06-14 11:11:43 PM

GAT_00: oryx: Congratulations OSU. You've replaced Jim Tressel with somebody worse.

Jim Tressel was actually pretty good and was fired people got all pissed for little reason. The same people who say New Orleans had too harsh a punishment think the NCAA was lenient to only fire Tressel. Probably had something to do with people love hating OSU and he was actually pretty good.


He was smacked because he was caught lying, not for the underlying bad act. If Tressel had suspended the players for one sure-to-win game (or spread their suspension out across several games), and made sure some reporter was "accidentally" passing by when he gave the players a massive tongue-lashing about it, no one would have batted an eye - he probably would have been lauded by the NCAA as a tough-but-fair coach. Instead, he chose to not do anything about the no-nos (I totally agree the players didn't do anything too bad), and then - and this is the bad part - he lied about even knowing about it when asked. If he had said "yeah, I heard about that; but it didn't seem that any NCAA rules applied", he has only seemed cavalier about he rules, which considering how some coaches have refused to deal with players flat out raping girls, doesn't even move the needle. Instead he lied and was too stupid to destroy the paper trail showing he lied. Never lie to duly appointed overseers. Here's a neat trick: go intentionally lie to an FBI agent in the course of a federal investigation; do it for something inane - they will still happily sent you to PMITA prison, not for what you lied about, but for the lying itself. Tressel had about 5 different places he could have quite easily gotten off the crazy-train with little or no lasting repercussions to his career - instead he rode that farker right off the rails going across the Cut My Own Balls Off With A Dull Spork River. He did what several coaches have done: he thought he was too big to fail, and instead of just stopping and dealing with the problem, kept barreling along, assuming he could not lose, until he hoisted himself by his own petard, because hubris is an evil, evil biatch.
 
2012-06-15 12:12:10 AM

phalamir: He was smacked because he was caught lying, not for the underlying bad act. If Tressel had suspended the players for one sure-to-win game (or spread their suspension out across several games), and made sure some reporter was "accidentally" passing by when he gave the players a massive tongue-lashing about it, no one would have batted an eye - he probably would have been lauded by the NCAA as a tough-but-fair coach. Instead, he chose to not do anything about the no-nos (I totally agree the players didn't do anything too bad), and then - and this is the bad part - he lied about even knowing about it when asked. If he had said "yeah, I heard about that; but it didn't seem that any NCAA rules applied", he has only seemed cavalier about he rules, which considering how some coaches have refused to deal with players flat out raping girls, doesn't even move the needle. Instead he lied and was too stupid to destroy the paper trail showing he lied. Never lie to duly appointed overseers. Here's a neat trick: go intentionally lie to an FBI agent in the course of a federal investigation; do it for something inane - they will still happily sent you to PMITA prison, not for what you lied about, but for the lying itself. Tressel had about 5 different places he could have quite easily gotten off the crazy-train with little or no lasting repercussions to his career - instead he rode that farker right off the rails going across the Cut My Own Balls Off With A Dull Spork River. He did what several coaches have done: he thought he was too big to fail, and instead of just stopping and dealing with the problem, kept barreling along, assuming he could not lose, until he hoisted himself by his own petard, because hubris is an evil, evil biatch.


Pretty much this. Tressel had integrity questions from Youngstown State, but nothing ever came of it. Questions were raised after his NC at Ohio State, nothing ever came of it. When this whole scenario came up, no one believed that the paragon of virtue (who wrote books about doing the "right" thing because doing the wrong thing even once matters more) could have done what he did. What the players did was minor. What Tressel did was not. At every step he made the wrong decision. He followed up with player "mentors" instead of the AD or the NCAA. He lied about it. He hung his players out to dry without taking any personal accountability, until it was too late.

The thing is if you look at that season, that season was built to win a National Championship. Easy schedule, 7! home games. They should have run the table. Tressel saw what should happen and took the easy path.
 
2012-06-15 12:15:18 AM

steamingpile: Slives: So you have to do more recruiting locally, big deal.

But I guess since you can't just pick and choose from the best across the country, people will figure out you are not that great a coach and just got to ride on the coattails of superior players...

He had it easy at floriduh where some of the best athlete live in about a 3-4 state radius and he could see them easily. Now it will be interesting how good of a coach he really is since its not easy convincing a kid to come to the exciting city of Columbus which has basically nothing around it worth seeing.


Meyer's been gunning heavily for national recruits, whereas Notre Dame and Michigan have been gunning heavily for guys in Ohio and Chicago (the two major local talent pools). I thing Meyer is mostly grumpy because he's seeing a steady stream of recruits driving to visit those schools and he's fighting to get kids on flights. For example one of our top guys will be making his 12 visit to Michigan this weekend (his aunt lives in town, so he drives by frequently).

I assume next year Meyer will hit the local talent earlier and not have this problem. This year I think he hurt himself because he slow played a lot of 4* talent as he ran after 5* guys and now those 4*s are going elsewhere. He'll flip a few back of course, but likely not as many as he wants.

/he has a good class by all means, but he can't happy with how Hoke pillaged the state for talent over the spring
 
2012-06-15 12:24:13 AM

dragonchild: Slives: I guess since you can't just pick and choose from the best across the country, people will figure out you are not that great a coach and just got to ride on the coattails of superior players...

He also had superior coordinators such Greg Mattison, who found Tebow for him and went on to coach a very successful Ravens defense in the NFL. It's not a coincidence that Meyer retired shortly after Tebow was drafted; he knew he had nothing left in the cupboard. There was that whole heart condition shiat but (now that he's HC for a team involved in one of the most bitter rivalries in all sports) I think it's established that it wasn't nearly as much on his mind as he claimed. The guy is smart, but he's also a very polished marketing guy.

Guess who Mattison works for now. This will get interesting.


Don't forget Dan Mullen. QB coach for Meyer at his early starts. Then the OC at Florida. Now doing rather well for himself as the HC at Mississippi. For fun compare the Meyer/Mullen offenses to the Meyer/Addazio offense. Meyer will do well enough defensively because Fickell is solid (although he's only co-DC now, so who knows who is really running the defense). We'll see if Harmon is as brilliant as Mullen I guess. He has to be an upgrade from Bollman at least.
 
2012-06-15 03:25:38 AM

That_Dude: Most of the major college football teams are in boring cities. The only exceptions that have had a lot of success recently are Texas and USC. Is Columbus really any less interesting than Tuscaloosa or Norman? Having said that, you're right that it doesn't help that Ohio has less high school talent than the south. It's easier to get a kid to spend four years in a boring city if his friends and family are nearby


Yes, all the other states are near beaches where hot college girls play, that is a huge advantage, in columbus its just nasty and the closest beach is half a day away.

College kids remember.
 
2012-06-15 08:34:52 AM

dragonchild: Slives: I guess since you can't just pick and choose from the best across the country, people will figure out you are not that great a coach and just got to ride on the coattails of superior players...

He also had superior coordinators such Greg Mattison, who found Tebow for him and went on to coach a very successful Ravens defense in the NFL. It's not a coincidence that Meyer retired shortly after Tebow was drafted; he knew he had nothing left in the cupboard. There was that whole heart condition shiat but (now that he's HC for a team involved in one of the most bitter rivalries in all sports) I think it's established that it wasn't nearly as much on his mind as he claimed. The guy is smart, but he's also a very polished marketing guy.

Guess who Mattison works for now. This will get interesting.


That is completely untrue from everything that i've heard about Meyer. I'm from FL, went to Ohio state and recently moved from Gainesville. A lot of my close friends are well-connected at UF including a few high level boosters and a trainer (who told me meyer was coming to OSU about 4 months before it was official)

Take it for what it is but the story I've heard is that Meyer was very connected with high level coaches at FL high schools who pretty much fed him talent the same way Ted Ginn SR at Cleveland Glenville used to feed talent to Tressel. The promise was that Urban would prepare the kids for the NFL. You saw this with the Pouncey Brothers where Pouncey 2 was moved to center, despite his inability so snap the ball, because Urban had made a promise to the coach since Center was a higher-money position in the NFL.

UF got some awesome talent but top-level players also came in with an entitlement complex. Toward the end of the Meyer tenure, the newer players expected the success and playing time of a lot of the more senior players.
 
2012-06-15 10:29:53 AM

the biggest redneck here: In pretty sure Louisiana is #1 by a mile and Alabama is behind them.


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