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(SFGate)   Dear San Francisco PD: Next time a couple repeatedly begs you to help them rescue their daughter from a pimp, please take them seriously. And if you don't, please don't prosecute them for fixing the problem themselves   (sfgate.com) divider line 145
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2012-06-14 03:38:09 PM
the Nutty Block Crip street gang

Better than Fruity Block Crip street gang, I guess.
 
2012-06-14 03:49:38 PM
So, if they hadn't gone to the police first his death would have been written off as drug related right?
 
2012-06-14 04:22:04 PM
Listen, you fexors, you screwheads. Here is a couple who would not take it anymore. A couple who stood up against the scum, the crips, the dogs, the filth, the shiate.

Here is a couple who stood up.
 
2012-06-14 04:27:06 PM
hmmm
could this also be that they didnt like their snowflake farking this hopper?
 
2012-06-14 04:33:37 PM

AbbeySomeone: So, if they hadn't gone to the police first his death would have been written off as drug related right?


The moral of the story is don't go to the cops if you have the firepower to do it yourself.
 
2012-06-14 05:00:05 PM
I think they will plead out before trial. DA may not want to risk a jury nullification.

I sympathize with these people, I do. This is a really farked up situation. I really wish that the couple could get off easy, but on the flip side, vigilante justice brought us shiat like the lynching of African American's over a whisper of a rape (and the majority of the time, rape did not happen or it was a white dude).

However, if your life is being threatened then and there, go for it. But push it through the system, please.
 
2012-06-14 05:32:18 PM
This would never have happened to Don Magic Juan.

biatches be linin' up outside his door. And he don't even raise his groomin' hand.
 
2012-06-14 05:34:21 PM
They must have a craptastic alibi
 
2012-06-14 05:38:19 PM
If the facts are as presented, I smell jury nullification. While I don't approve of it in theory, I can't say I'd be upset if it came to that.
 
2012-06-14 06:44:34 PM

unlikely: AbbeySomeone: So, if they hadn't gone to the police first his death would have been written off as drug related right?

The moral of the story is don't go to the cops if you have the firepower to do it yourself.


This.
 
2012-06-14 07:06:25 PM

Methadone Girls: They must have a craptastic alibi


They had an awesome alibi: their daughter was being pimped by someone so they shot him dead. No agency was willing to help them and unforntunately they had to take matters into their own hands. What if this pimp or a john wound up murdering their daughter, what then?
 
2012-06-14 07:34:30 PM

skinink: Methadone Girls: They must have a craptastic alibi

They had an awesome alibi: their daughter was being pimped by someone so they shot him dead. No agency was willing to help them and unforntunately they had to take matters into their own hands. What if this pimp or a john wound up murdering their daughter, what then?


A pimp ain't gon ice their ho, n****. Why gotta be playin' it like that? A pimp's game only work on hoes, n'way. If a biatch ain't got no inside her to be pickin' up what he's puttin' down, she ain't gonna be no ho. You wanna find them biatches that wanna know how the game works. Them's the hoes. Pimps up, hoes down.

Seriously though, what's their proof he was actually a pimp not just someone they didn't like?
 
2012-06-14 07:49:04 PM
Instead of doing the murder, they should have risked a kidnapping charge on their own daughter. I mean, they may get off on any number of technicalities there. Grab the girl and lock her in a room. Then if the pimp shows up at the house, you shoot him and come up with a self-defense story inside your own house.

I'm guessing that these two are not only not legal wizards, but they probably can barely make a beer run without doing something really stupid. You get in trouble when you murder someone, even if that person might be pimping out your daughter. She's on drugs and "in love" with her pimp, so it's not exactly all his fault anyway.

How hard would it be to draw a line between a drugged up ho and the bad parenting of these two? They are more culpable for her behavior than the pimp. Maybe they should have shot themselves years ago before they produced so much crotch fruit.
 
2012-06-14 07:53:24 PM

MeinRS6: Instead of doing the murder, they should have risked a kidnapping charge on their own daughter. I mean, they may get off on any number of technicalities there. Grab the girl and lock her in a room. Then if the pimp shows up at the house, you shoot him and come up with a self-defense story inside your own house.

I'm guessing that these two are not only not legal wizards, but they probably can barely make a beer run without doing something really stupid. You get in trouble when you murder someone, even if that person might be pimping out your daughter. She's on drugs and "in love" with her pimp, so it's not exactly all his fault anyway.

How hard would it be to draw a line between a drugged up ho and the bad parenting of these two? They are more culpable for her behavior than the pimp. Maybe they should have shot themselves years ago before they produced so much crotch fruit.


You're an obtuse asshole.
4/10
 
2012-06-14 08:03:42 PM
Why do you say that?

If they could track down the pimp to shoot him, then they could also get close to their daughter and grab her. Making a kidnapping plan isn't much harder than making a murder plan. And they'd have better odds with a judge then too, when they kidnapped their own messed up kid.
 
2012-06-14 08:07:59 PM

MeinRS6: Why do you say that?


Probably because it's true
 
2012-06-14 08:09:35 PM

skinink: Methadone Girls: They must have a craptastic alibi

They had an awesome alibi: their daughter was being pimped by someone so they shot him dead. No agency was willing to help them and unforntunately they had to take matters into their own hands. What if this pimp or a john wound up murdering their daughter, what then?


That's not an alibi. That's a motive.

An alibi would be "I was with my friend Wendy all night crying about how that horrible man stole my daughter and pimped her out. We got ice cream and sat at the beach talking until it was dark. Not a clue what time it was but Law and Order was on when we got home."
 
2012-06-14 08:12:07 PM

Methadone Girls: An alibi would be "I was with my friend Wendy all night crying about how that horrible man stole my daughter and pimped her out. We got ice cream and sat at the beach talking until it was dark. Not a clue what time it was but Law and Order was on when we got home."


Isnt law and order ALWAYS on?
EXACTLY!
 
2012-06-14 08:13:28 PM
The Defendants wish to make a single statement, Your Honor.

"Pimpin' ain't easy. We rest our case."
 
2012-06-14 08:53:14 PM
www.oddfilms.com
Approves.
 
2012-06-14 08:59:47 PM

MeinRS6: Instead of doing the murder, they should have risked a kidnapping charge on their own daughter. I mean, they may get off on any number of technicalities there. Grab the girl and lock her in a room. Then if the pimp shows up at the house, you shoot him and come up with a self-defense story inside your own house.


Do you know why we have Age of Consent laws?

Because teenage girls usually have low self esteem and are too full of hormones to think rationally about their decisions. Any suave, silver-tongued bastard on the street can reel them in and get them to do whatever they want, with just a word and a promise. And the girls will be attached to the asshole no matter how he abuses them because they feel helpless without him. That's how the Stockholm Syndrome works.

You have no clue what kind of power these motherfarkers have over their hoes. If the parents kidnapped the girl back, there's a high probability that at the first chance she'd run just away again back into his willing, abusive embrace. They can't keep her locked up forever and she's too confused and frightened to know what to do.

There's a reason why she ran away in the first place. Until this issue is settled, there's no telling what irrational thing she's willing to do.
 
2012-06-14 09:31:17 PM

cman: But push it through the system, please.


According to TFA, it seems like they tried. Maybe the SF cops were too busy busting hippies' heads at an Occupy event.
 
2012-06-14 09:32:55 PM
I understand age of consent perfectly. The pimp is guilty of a lot worse than violating that particular statute though. And so are the parents now.

I'm just saying that drug & alcohol counseling, as well as other therapy for the girl, would have been a better plan than 1st degree murder. And so what if they had to lock her in a room for a week or more until they could get her into some kind of treatment? That's still better than 1st degree murder and both parents don't go to prison for decades. They didn't think this one through. Most likely because they are unable.

Now the daughter will stay on drugs and go find another pimp. The parents fixed nothing and lost their freedom and all of their other kids in the process. So that all could have gone better.
 
2012-06-14 10:14:04 PM
www.wearysloth.com
 
2012-06-14 10:16:47 PM
"They had gone out to local police agencies, agencies in Southern California - they had even tried talking to national organizations. Every place they turned to turned them away."

If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-14 10:17:04 PM

brap: Listen, you fexors, you screwheads. Here is a couple who would not take it anymore. A couple who stood up against the scum, the crips, the dogs, the filth, the shiate.

Here is a couple who stood up.


For all the vitriol in the thread, all I see supporting the notion that he was pimping her out is their story. OTOH I do see evidence that she was with him willingly (she accompanied him to the hospital, wouldn't come home etc).

Is there evidence elsewhere of the pimping or other abuse? Because if not, I'm gonna go ahead and say that there's a damned good chance the parents are just making up the story to justify their actions. I can completely see a situation where they make those allegations to goad law enforcement to action, but they didn't buy the story.
 
2012-06-14 10:18:45 PM
i1245.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-14 10:23:52 PM
To protect and serve!
 
2012-06-14 10:23:57 PM
It's a good thing we have a "stand your ground" law in California. Otherwise this couple could be in serious legal trouble.
 
2012-06-14 10:24:49 PM

xanadian: According to TFA, it seems like they tried. Maybe the SF cops were too busy busting hippies' heads at an Occupy event.


Well, let's face it. That's a lot easier, and much more fun for them.
 
2012-06-14 10:26:12 PM

Ed Finnerty: Pimpin' ain't easy.


It's hard out there for a pimp.
 
2012-06-14 10:26:57 PM
SFPD: We don't care, and it shows.
 
2012-06-14 10:27:39 PM
Put me on that jury, I beg you.
 
2012-06-14 10:28:50 PM

Ishkur: MeinRS6: Instead of doing the murder, they should have risked a kidnapping charge on their own daughter. I mean, they may get off on any number of technicalities there. Grab the girl and lock her in a room. Then if the pimp shows up at the house, you shoot him and come up with a self-defense story inside your own house.

Do you know why we have Age of Consent laws?

Because teenage girls usually have low self esteem and are too full of hormones to think rationally about their decisions. Any suave, silver-tongued bastard on the street can reel them in and get them to do whatever they want, with just a word and a promise. And the girls will be attached to the asshole no matter how he abuses them because they feel helpless without him. That's how the Stockholm Syndrome works.

You have no clue what kind of power these motherfarkers have over their hoes. If the parents kidnapped the girl back, there's a high probability that at the first chance she'd run just away again back into his willing, abusive embrace. They can't keep her locked up forever and she's too confused and frightened to know what to do.

There's a reason why she ran away in the first place. Until this issue is settled, there's no telling what irrational thing she's willing to do.


Stockholm Syndrome does not work.
 
2012-06-14 10:31:06 PM
From TFA (emphasis mine): "Prosecutors, however, say that when Barry Gilton and his longtime girlfriend, Lupe Mercado, couldn't get their 17-year-old daughter back through legitimate means, they turned to premeditated murder."

There are legitimate means of getting your underage daughter back from a pimp? I guess the cops count as legitimate, but honestly, they shouldn't have to ask for their daughter back. I would have definitely risked the kidnapping charge, or more likely used some of my police contacts to get a couple of off duty officers to put on their uniforms and come with me to collect my daughter.
 
2012-06-14 10:31:16 PM
www.iwatchstuff.com
 
2012-06-14 10:34:51 PM

cman: I think they will plead out before trial. DA may not want to risk a jury nullification.

I sympathize with these people, I do. This is a really farked up situation. I really wish that the couple could get off easy, but on the flip side, vigilante justice brought us shiat like the lynching of African American's over a whisper of a rape (and the majority of the time, rape did not happen or it was a white dude).

However, if your life is being threatened then and there, go for it. But push it through the system, please.


That was reasonable, calm, nuanced and considerate. WTF are you doing on the Internet?

I haven't read below yet, but I assume you'll get pilloried.
 
2012-06-14 10:36:26 PM
The laws exist to support the good of the people, when the law no longer upholds the good of the people, it no longer deserves to be the law.
 
2012-06-14 10:37:24 PM
I approve, but I'm a simple man myself.

Hell the guy even has a pimp's name, tie him to a stump for the animals.
 
2012-06-14 10:39:16 PM

Babwa Wawa: brap: Listen, you fexors, you screwheads. Here is a couple who would not take it anymore. A couple who stood up against the scum, the crips, the dogs, the filth, the shiate.

Here is a couple who stood up.

For all the vitriol in the thread, all I see supporting the notion that he was pimping her out is their story. OTOH I do see evidence that she was with him willingly (she accompanied him to the hospital, wouldn't come home etc).

Is there evidence elsewhere of the pimping or other abuse? Because if not, I'm gonna go ahead and say that there's a damned good chance the parents are just making up the story to justify their actions. I can completely see a situation where they make those allegations to goad law enforcement to action, but they didn't buy the story.


Don't drag me into this fetid dumpster of he said/she said. I was just paraphrasing Taxi Driver.

Good rain, scum off the streets, and all that jazz. Doo-dah, doo-dah. Tip your hat tip your hat.
 
2012-06-14 10:41:13 PM
This couple should be celebrated, not prosecuted. But I expect nothing better from the San Francisco prosecutor.
 
2012-06-14 10:42:11 PM

The Wizard of Frobozz: Ed Finnerty: Pimpin' ain't easy.

It's hard out there for a pimp.


especially this pimp
 
2012-06-14 10:45:09 PM

austin_millbarge: xanadian: According to TFA, it seems like they tried. Maybe the SF cops were too busy busting hippies' heads at an Occupy event.

Well, let's face it. That's a lot easier, and much more fun for them.


Well..YEAH, it's more fun!

Sometimes, I wish I were a cop so I could bust some hippie head....
 
2012-06-14 10:52:46 PM
Lord knows

theconnorchronicles.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-14 10:54:35 PM

Ishkur: There's a reason why she ran away in the first place. Until this issue is settled, there's no telling what irrational thing she's willing to do.


Sometimes the reason is the kid is farked up through no fault of the parents. Mental health issues sometimes happen for no apparent reason. My stepdaughter was bipolar. When she was in her manic stage, she would run away from home to party until she dropped (literally), drinking anything alcoholic put within her reach, doing whatever drugs were handy, and farking whomever. When she was in her depressive state, she cut herself.

At least you clearly stated, "until this issue is settled." All too often people are very quick to just blame the parents for a shiatty home life without actually knowing what is going on.
 
2012-06-14 10:55:32 PM
Moral of the story: if you have a scumbag like this on your hands, don't go to the police first. Just find an opportune moment to take him out.
 
2012-06-14 10:55:55 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-14 10:58:54 PM

cman: I sympathize with these people, I do. This is a really farked up situation. I really wish that the couple could get off easy, but on the flip side, vigilante justice brought us shiat like the lynching of African American's over a whisper of a rape (and the majority of the time, rape did not happen or it was a white dude).


Fark that. I would jury nullify the fark out of this case if I were picked.

Lynchings had as much to do with vigilante "justice" as the TSA has to do with public safety. It's just transparent bullshiat that nobody actually believed, but lots of people went along with.
 
2012-06-14 11:11:16 PM
unlikely:

AbbeySomeone: So, if they hadn't gone to the police first his death would have been written off as drug related right?

The moral of the story is don't go to the cops if you have the firepower to do it yourself.



Hmmmm... Maybe not.

We only get one side of the story here. First, people have a right to choose a life their parents don't like, even if it's a sordid and stupid one. Maybe she had reason for wanting to leave home: how sure can we be that they treated her right? And maybe their daughter really did love the guy; it's been the bane of my existence that some chicks do dig jerks.

And if they had killed him and gotten away with it, it's far more likely that it would have increased the difference between them and their daughter, especially if she figured they'd done it. ("You killed my True Love! I hate you forever!") Which would most likely have driven her farther into "the underworld," with an even worse piece of filth. (Women can be very weird, especially pretty young ones.)

Maybe they should have hired a rival gangster to do it, or a "dark knight." Maybe a relative, somebody they could trust. Or a corrupt cop, or maybe a "Dirty Harry," who'd probably get away with it anyway.

But yeah, Abbey S. was correct: chances are that if the police had no idea this particular family problem existed the case would be noted as drug- and/or gang- related and promptly ignored. After all, these are poor dark-skinned people who live in the ghetto. (Why did they bother with the cops in the first place?)

Bayview is the one part of San Francisco I haven't fully explored in my 34 years of off-and-on experience with the Bay Area. Several locals of several hues warned me not to on several occasions. I've been through there a few times but never stayed long: I didn't need to get "that look" too many times before deciding I'm much safer in the Tenderloin where folks like me belong.
 
2012-06-14 11:13:44 PM

skinink: Methadone Girls: They must have a craptastic alibi

They had an awesome alibi: their daughter was being pimped by someone so they shot him dead. No agency was willing to help them and unforntunately they had to take matters into their own hands. What if this pimp or a john wound up murdering their daughter, what then?


That's not an "alibi", it's an affirmative defense. An alibi means they didn't do it because they were someplace else. An affirmative defense means they did it, but it was justified.

And in this case, it sounds way justified to me. If the system won't do what it's supposed to do, parents are not going to write off their daughter in the name of the public good. And if it DOES go to trial, I'll bet dad will agree to do the time if they let mom off the hook.
 
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