I know the Marine Corps has been behind the Osprey program, and from what I hear the aircraft is doing great things in Afghanistan. But when did the Air Force pick up V-22s?

Could be worse....they could be passing out from lack of oxygen.
/what has become of my beloved chairforce??

The V-22: The Taliban Air Force's most deadly weapon.

Old_Chief_Scott: I will refrain from commenting specifically until the preliminary mishap investigation findings are complete.

But generally, can we say the V-22 is a boondoggle?

Gyrfalcon: I will comment that it was either mechanical failure, pilot error, a combination of the two, or an Act of God.

Or that the Osprey is also a piece of shiat.

Don't rule out the triple play. Pilot error + mechanical failure leads to crash, survival of which may be deemed miraculous depending on certain variables.

Mensan: I know the Marine Corps has been behind the Osprey program, and from what I hear the aircraft is doing great things in Afghanistan. But when did the Air Force pick up V-22s?

FTFA: "The Air Force began using Ospreys in 2008 after testing the aircraft in 2006."

Gee, CNN discovered that aircraft crash. What will they an subby find next, that the sun comes up in the east??

fark the Osprey.

CSB: I was on the USS Essex off the East Coast about ten years back as a contractor. I was there for other reasons, but the ship was at sea specifically to give the Osprey test flight time. Of the ten days I was on the ship, the Osprey actually flew for almost half of one of them.

They keep that piece of crap, but they retire the A-10. It's mind-boggling.

The Osprey, the plane no one wanted except Congress.

How many times does that boondoggle have to crash before it is scrapped?

BomberPilot: Gee, CNN discovered that aircraft crash. What will they an subby find next, that the sun comes up in the east??

The sun doesn't actually come up at all. It just kinda sits there and burns.

i'm from amarillo which has a bell manufacturing plant that supplies parts for the osprey; i think it has actually crashed more times than mentioned in the headline.

buckler: They keep that piece of crap, but they retire the A-10. It's mind-boggling.

You sure about that?

The V-22 Osprey: When you absolutely, positively, must crash a flying vehicle that is both a poorly functioning helicopter and poorly functioning plane except no substitutes.

durbnpoisn: BomberPilot: Gee, CNN discovered that aircraft crash. What will they an subby find next, that the sun comes up in the east??

The sun doesn't actually come up at all. It just kinda sits there and burns.

I guess it moves with respect to the galaxy and spacetime framework, but you'd really have to define "up."

zarberg: buckler: They keep that piece of crap, but they retire the A-10. It's mind-boggling.

You sure about that?

I was under the impression it was to be retired much sooner. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

buckler: zarberg: buckler: They keep that piece of crap, but they retire the A-10. It's mind-boggling.

You sure about that?

I was under the impression it was to be retired much sooner. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

C'mon, man, think, they're still using them in 2018 when we shoot down a few of Skynet's hunter-killers escorting those prisoners. Duh.

zarberg: buckler: zarberg: buckler: They keep that piece of crap, but they retire the A-10. It's mind-boggling.

You sure about that?

I was under the impression it was to be retired much sooner. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

C'mon, man, think, they're still using them in 2018 when we shoot down a few of Skynet's hunter-killers escorting those prisoners. Duh.

I should really listen to movies more.

V-22 Osssssssnap.

albuquerquehalsey: Rule 34 delivers

Well now that I see that the Osprey has a nice rack, I like it even more!

/butterface

I'm sure the USAF was a good idea back in the Billy Mitchell days, but havign served in the USAF, I'd say, they really need to start getting picky about who they let in. I met quite a few non coms and coms, who were walking brain farts.
There is not reason to give a food prepper Sgt stripes if he can't farking make a simple omelette. And for shait's sakes, what I saw working with priority A, I couldn't sleep for years.
And people worry about aliens in Roswell. . .
Jeesh.

Old_Chief_Scott: From the safety standpoint, people seem to forget that the H-53E was vilified when it first started flying in the fleet but has been a mainstay aircraft for over two decades.

Really? I thought it still catches shiat for being too complicated to maintain properly or something.

zarberg
buckler: zarberg: buckler: They keep that piece of crap, but they retire the A-10. It's mind-boggling.
You sure about that?
I was under the impression it was to be retired much sooner. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
C'mon, man, think, they're still using them in 2018 when we shoot down a few of Skynet's hunter-killers escorting those prisoners. Duh.

That always bothered me. How does one maintain a structure for supporting an air force and it does not get destroyed by hunter killers. If a cyborg military is good enough to have their own fleet of transformers vehicles, they should dominate the sky.

/The problem was I was thinking during that waste of time called a movie.

They need to hurry up with these:

Enemabag Jones: zarberg
buckler: zarberg: buckler: They keep that piece of crap, but they retire the A-10. It's mind-boggling.
You sure about that?
I was under the impression it was to be retired much sooner. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
C'mon, man, think, they're still using them in 2018 when we shoot down a few of Skynet's hunter-killers escorting those prisoners. Duh.

That always bothered me. How does one maintain a structure for supporting an air force and it does not get destroyed by hunter killers. If a cyborg military is good enough to have their own fleet of transformers vehicles, they should dominate the sky.

/The problem was I was thinking during that waste of time called a movie.

Yeah, there really were no good parts to that movie. No important characters grew or evolved. The humans were in the exact same position at the end of the movie as the beginning. The only thing even remotely interesting was the military hardware porn during the scenes with the A-10s.

Hubby lost a couple of friends in the 2000 Osprey crash in Yuma. Why the fark are they still funding this thing?

MythDragon: They need to hurry up with these:
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The thought of that transition seems problematic to me.

Diocletian's Last Cabbage: Subbie, you said 2000 twice.


/must like 2000

I think there were two crashes in 2000...but I could be remembering incorrectly.

MythDragon,
They need to hurry up with these:

When do they evolve into either tie-fighters or x-wings.
I see the forefather of Luke Skywalker in one of those bad boys.

/Maybe the figher or Raptor from BSG instead.

Smeggy Smurf: buckler: durbnpoisn: BomberPilot: Gee, CNN discovered that aircraft crash. What will they an subby find next, that the sun comes up in the east??

The sun doesn't actually come up at all. It just kinda sits there and burns.

I guess it moves with respect to the galaxy and spacetime framework, but you'd really have to define "up."

Define up? Up is above down.

The gate is down, that's all you need to know.

Mensan: I know the Marine Corps has been behind the Osprey program, and from what I hear the aircraft is doing great things in Afghanistan. But when did the Air Force pick up V-22s?

When it stopped being an experimental airplane and became the CV-22B (2006, if wiki is to be believed).
So far as I understand, under the Marines it has a better safety record than the Blackhawk. Unfortunately the crashes during its testing phase will keep the media on its bad side forever.

/At least until its involved with some movie worthy mission.
/Reporters are fickle like that.

Riche: I used to think the V-22 was a useless waste of money

This Article from the War Nerd changed my mind.

Now I'm convinced it's a potentially useful waste of money.

The war nerd is a farkstick though who doesnt understand the tactical employment of a weapon system versus the strategic one.
Operation Eagle Claw didnt fail because we had the wrong equipment. It failed because it was a rush job attempting to get 3 seperate military branches to cooperate on a single mission using methods no branch of service had attempted crewed by service members not trained in doing it. Operation Eagle Claw was the primary reason why the US Army created a specialized branch of the spec ops community whose sole task is the transport of snake eaters to and from the battlefield. Have the V22 in 1980 wouldnt of changed anything because you'd still have shiat planning and a bunch of aircrew who didnt know wtf was going on complicated by unforeseen weather.

Secondly, the USMC air wings dont hold any kind of distinction over the USAF. The USAF operates a huge amount of rotary wing aircraft. The V22 wasnt invisioned as some kind of UH-1 type bird doing dustoff's and hot lz operations. The thing is too ungainly to be used in an area where hostile fire will be a factor. Its basically the aerial version of the HMMWV. Good for getting around, not so much a thing you want to be riding directly into combat in though.

I wont go into why he is slamming the usage of carriers while at the same time forgetting that you wouldnt be doing ANY of the hypothetical situations he envisions if you didnt have a carrier offshore with which to stage such scenarios.

hey, any crash you can walk away from is a good crash.

SpookyEyes: Hubby lost a couple of friends in the 2000 Osprey crash in Yuma. Why the fark are they still funding this thing?

It's built by Bell and Boeing, and those companies own a whole lot of congressmen.

i'm really torn over the osprey... it's just so captivating i wish the damn worked right :(

It's probably the work of Cobra

Pocket Ninja: See, this is why we need to increase defense spending. There's barely enough money going into Osprey development now to make them air-worthy. If we cut funding, they might become even less safe than they are now. You don't want any more pilots to die, do you, subby? Sounds like you do, what with all that snarkiness in the headline and all.

There hasn't even been a ruling on why it crashed yet...only that it did. Snarky or not, let's think of the families first if these injuries are really serious.

JustSeanV67
Pocket Ninja: See, this is why we need to increase defense spending. There's barely enough money going into Osprey development now to make them air-worthy. If we cut funding, they might become even less safe than they are now. You don't want any more pilots to die, do you, subby? Sounds like you do, what with all that snarkiness in the headline and all.
There hasn't even been a ruling on why it crashed yet...only that it did. Snarky or not, let's think of the families first if these injuries are really serious.

Isn't that more less what critics of the programs are already doing?
You sound like you used the phrase 'support our troops' at start of the second Iraq war.