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2012-06-14 12:24:47 PM
trying to figure out who is a bigger douche
people who use siri
or people complain when it doesnt work like in TV
 
2012-06-14 12:25:13 PM
I could actually see Apple losing this one. If they can show in court that Siri doesn't function as shown in commercials, how is that not false advertising? If you watch the commercials, there isn't any kind of disclaimer that would cover their asses.
 
2012-06-14 12:44:31 PM

9beers: I could actually see Apple losing this one. If they can show in court that Siri doesn't function as shown in commercials, how is that not false advertising? If you watch the commercials, there isn't any kind of disclaimer that would cover their asses.


You haven't seen a single commercial in decades which wasnt false advertising.
tastes great! less filling!! complete false advert
good to the last drop?! only if you like swill
every add with a picture of food has been doctored.
every glamour shot for women's clothing is complete false advertising

while apple might have to spend money defending this, they will not lose this
 
2012-06-14 01:08:15 PM

namatad: You haven't seen a single commercial in decades which wasnt false advertising.
tastes great! less filling!! complete false advert
good to the last drop?! only if you like swill
every add with a picture of food has been doctored.
every glamour shot for women's clothing is complete false advertising


Most of your examples are matters of personal opinion. This lawsuit is about the functionality of a product. If I see a commercial that says Miller is a great tasting and refreshing beer and I find that it tastes like piss, that's my opinion, nothing more. If I see a commercial for a battery operated drill that claims an 8 hour life and it only last for 4 hours, that's false advertising.
 
2012-06-14 01:22:29 PM
Siri is crap. I look forward to my tiny payout.
 
2012-06-14 01:32:54 PM
But without Siri how would I know if it's raining out while looking out my window?
 
2012-06-14 01:38:18 PM

namatad: people who use siri


I use Siri. What's wrong with that?
 
2012-06-14 01:51:51 PM

9beers: I could actually see Apple losing this one. If they can show in court that Siri doesn't function as shown in commercials, how is that not false advertising? If you watch the commercials, there isn't any kind of disclaimer that would cover their asses.


i.imgur.com

Mr. Simpson, this is the most blatant case of fraudulent advertising since my suit against the film, "The Never-Ending Story."
 
2012-06-14 02:15:12 PM
Did anybody really buy their Iphone for Siri anyways? Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do.
 
2012-06-14 02:15:13 PM
Clueless talking phones... Siri-ous business
 
2012-06-14 02:49:16 PM
Me: Sirli, do these pants make my ass look fat?

Sirli: No. Don't go blaming the pants.

That's the kind of social interaction I need with my phone.
 
2012-06-14 03:08:48 PM

9beers: namatad: You haven't seen a single commercial in decades which wasnt false advertising.
tastes great! less filling!! complete false advert
good to the last drop?! only if you like swill
every add with a picture of food has been doctored.
every glamour shot for women's clothing is complete false advertising

Most of your examples are matters of personal opinion. This lawsuit is about the functionality of a product. If I see a commercial that says Miller is a great tasting and refreshing beer and I find that it tastes like piss, that's my opinion, nothing more. If I see a commercial for a battery operated drill that claims an 8 hour life and it only last for 4 hours, that's false advertising.



Yeah, there's no comparison because there are concrete examples of shiat that Siri obviously doesn't do. The difference is that when I saw the commercials I knew they were bullshiat and dismissed them. I didn't run out and buy one and get all butthurt when they didn't turn out to be the Enterprise main computer. What I don't get is how those ads even got made without someone saying, "Wait a minute, this is horseshiat and some douchebag lawyer is going to talk a bunch of people into suing us".

What they should be suing over is the fact that those ads made Sam Jackson uncool, John Malkovich even scarier and made me want to smack Zooey Daschenal.

/not with my hand
 
2012-06-14 03:19:50 PM
Just waiting for the commercial showing interaction between Siri and Stephen Hawking
 
2012-06-14 03:20:16 PM
I use Siri and I like it. The timer function is a life saver.
 
2012-06-14 03:20:38 PM
 
2012-06-14 03:21:03 PM
The Zooey Dhouchemanelly commercial cracks me up.

"SIRI..."
*looks out the window
"IS DAT RAIIN?"
 
2012-06-14 03:23:10 PM
This lawsuit has been discussed before, and nobody could come up with a more specific complaint than "it's not as smooth as the commercials." Which is not actually a case for false advertising, under any laws I know of, because it didn't make specific claims that were proven false.

And really, as someone said above, it's like buying a car after a "driving excitement" commercial and finding out it's just a car, or quibbling that a beer did not, in fact, "taste great."
 
2012-06-14 03:24:55 PM

9beers: Did anybody really buy their Iphone for Siri anyways? Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do.


My friend and I got into a convo about her iPhone and my Nokia
blah blah blah
My friend: At least it has Siri
Me: I could go get a nail and use my phone as a hammer and pound that nail right thur you iPhone and my phone will still work
 
2012-06-14 03:31:06 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Me: Sirli, do these pants make my ass look fat?

Sirli: No. Don't go blaming the pants.

That's the kind of social interaction I need with my phone.


I would pay a lot for a phone with a GladOS-level sarcasm subroutine.
 
2012-06-14 03:32:44 PM
Maybe those assholes should stop camping overnight to buy iPhones and wait a few weeks until the major reviews come out.

Sure, corporations do a lot of shady things, but you still can't blame them for your own stupidity all the goddamn time.
 
2012-06-14 03:33:13 PM

9beers: I could actually see Apple losing this one. If they can show in court that Siri doesn't function as shown in commercials, how is that not false advertising? If you watch the commercials, there isn't any kind of disclaimer that would cover their asses.


Here in London the commercials do say, in the fine print, "sequences shortened ... yadda yadda". Don't know about elsewhere. And how do most people not know that these sequences (browsing, downloading, emailing pics, etc) are shortened for commercials?

Personally I've not been happier since I gave up the iphone and moved to android. Love my HTC phones. Though I may not have switched if it wasn't for f*king itunes. F*%king hate itunes.
 
2012-06-14 03:33:22 PM

9beers: Did anybody really buy their Iphone for Siri anyways? Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do.


It's the only reason to get an iPhone instead of, say, a Galaxy S II.
 
2012-06-14 03:33:56 PM
It has to be the easiest case to prove or disprove. Can you say the things the actors say to the Siri in the ads and get the same results that the Siri in the ads give in the same amount of time?

I immediately dismissed it as what Ask Jeeves was in the early days of the internet. It let people who didn't just want to enter keywords to talk in regular sentences. Like "I need to jack off to Rosie O'Donnell. Has she been in a movie or premium cable tv show where she appears naked?" as opposed to "rosieodonnell+naked".
 
2012-06-14 03:35:02 PM
Software often doesn't work the same way from one user to the next. Weird, I know.

/Has a 4s
//Turned of Siri
///Hate her
 
2012-06-14 03:36:09 PM
She gave me winning lottery numbers, now I am a millionaire.
 
2012-06-14 03:36:23 PM

theorangeshield: The Zooey Dhouchemanelly commercial cracks me up.

"SIRI..."
*looks out the window
"IS DAT RAIIN?"


What pisses me off about the Zooey fanboys is they call her "quirky." It's not quirky if it's forced and fake.

THIS is how quirky should be done from a cute girl
 
2012-06-14 03:41:41 PM
What I'd be interested in seeing is numbers for how many people went from an Iphone 4 to a 4S.
 
2012-06-14 03:41:46 PM

Mugato: It has to be the easiest case to prove or disprove. Can you say the things the actors say to the Siri in the ads and get the same results that the Siri in the ads give in the same amount of time?

I immediately dismissed it as what Ask Jeeves was in the early days of the internet. It let people who didn't just want to enter keywords to talk in regular sentences. Like "I need to jack off to Rosie O'Donnell. Has she been in a movie or premium cable tv show where she appears naked?" as opposed to "rosieodonnell+naked".


Somebody reading this thread has to have an iphone. Can you actually get it to respond the way it does in the commercials?
 
2012-06-14 03:43:29 PM
YOU HAVE YOUR PANTS DOWN.

'No, Siri, I do not have my pants down.

I FOUND 14 MEN'S PRISONS FAIRLY CLOSE TO YOU.
 
2012-06-14 03:44:48 PM

theorangeshield: The Zooey Dhouchemanelly commercial cracks me up.

"SIRI..."
*looks out the window
"IS DAT RAIIN?"


I prefer the Malkovich "Two iPhones walk into a bar, I forget the rest" non-joke.
 
2012-06-14 03:52:32 PM
Probably just wanted to meet Zooey by hauling her adorable arse to court.
 
2012-06-14 03:55:10 PM

zarberg: theorangeshield: The Zooey Dhouchemanelly commercial cracks me up.

"SIRI..."
*looks out the window
"IS DAT RAIIN?"

What pisses me off about the Zooey fanboys is they call her "quirky." It's not quirky if it's forced and fake.

THIS is how quirky should be done from a cute girl


I'm sure you meant to link here: Link
 
2012-06-14 03:57:42 PM

LasersHurt: This lawsuit has been discussed before, and nobody could come up with a more specific complaint than "it's not as smooth as the commercials." Which is not actually a case for false advertising, under any laws I know of, because it didn't make specific claims that were proven false.

And really, as someone said above, it's like buying a car after a "driving excitement" commercial and finding out it's just a car, or quibbling that a beer did not, in fact, "taste great."


No, it would be like buying a car that had a commercial that showed how you could use voice activation to turn on the stereo and pick your station but that didn't actually do that. And that is the "specific complaint" that has been brought up in every single one of these threads. It's not that "it's not as smooth as the commercials" but that the commercials show Siri doing things that it simply doesn't do. That's not the same things as "driving excitement" or "tastes great", it's "here's the functionality we claim our product has" and it turns out that it doesn't.
 
2012-06-14 03:59:26 PM

timujin: LasersHurt: This lawsuit has been discussed before, and nobody could come up with a more specific complaint than "it's not as smooth as the commercials." Which is not actually a case for false advertising, under any laws I know of, because it didn't make specific claims that were proven false.

And really, as someone said above, it's like buying a car after a "driving excitement" commercial and finding out it's just a car, or quibbling that a beer did not, in fact, "taste great."

No, it would be like buying a car that had a commercial that showed how you could use voice activation to turn on the stereo and pick your station but that didn't actually do that. And that is the "specific complaint" that has been brought up in every single one of these threads. It's not that "it's not as smooth as the commercials" but that the commercials show Siri doing things that it simply doesn't do. That's not the same things as "driving excitement" or "tastes great", it's "here's the functionality we claim our product has" and it turns out that it doesn't.


What is the complaint? You can have Siri turn on a specific radio station? Or did you not cover the specific complaint in your post there? If so, what is it? I'm not trying to be obtuse, I've literally never had someone say what the specific complaint is.
 
2012-06-14 03:59:32 PM

Karac: Somebody reading this thread has to have an iphone. Can you actually get it to respond the way it does in the commercials?


No. Nothing close. Almost all those phrases return "I have run a web search for the term [x]". In theory you could get it to give them same results with a more directed input, but none of those phrases result in what is shown in the ad. Apple farked up by not putting a disclaimer like "simulated interaction. Individual results may differ."
 
2012-06-14 04:00:49 PM

zarberg: theorangeshield: The Zooey Dhouchemanelly commercial cracks me up.

"SIRI..."
*looks out the window
"IS DAT RAIIN?"

What pisses me off about the Zooey fanboys is they call her "quirky." It's not quirky if it's forced and fake.

THIS is how quirky should be done from a cute girl


She's the Hollywood caricature to what they believe the quirky and unconventional yet likeable indie girl should be.

She's the likeable but-just-threatening-enough zany love interest opposite who's essentially the same character in almost every on-screen appearance. I'm male and even I find her pandering since I'm right in the target demographic.
 
2012-06-14 04:04:13 PM

meanmutton: zarberg: theorangeshield: The Zooey Dhouchemanelly commercial cracks me up.

"SIRI..."
*looks out the window
"IS DAT RAIIN?"

What pisses me off about the Zooey fanboys is they call her "quirky." It's not quirky if it's forced and fake.

THIS is how quirky should be done from a cute girl

I'm sure you meant to link here: Link


Can't disagree with you there, I'm just in love with Sara.
 
2012-06-14 04:05:30 PM

uknesvuinng: There's already precedent regarding Apple advertising.


Apple states, "Plaintiff's claims, and those of the purported class, are barred by the fact that the alleged deceptive statements were such that no reasonable person in Plaintiff's position could have reasonably relied on or misunderstood Apple's statements as claims of fact."

bwhahahahahahahahahaha
so basically some tards are trying to sue apple again becasue apple didnt get them laid?
LOLOLOL
 
2012-06-14 04:11:54 PM

LasersHurt: timujin: LasersHurt: This lawsuit has been discussed before, and nobody could come up with a more specific complaint than "it's not as smooth as the commercials." Which is not actually a case for false advertising, under any laws I know of, because it didn't make specific claims that were proven false.

And really, as someone said above, it's like buying a car after a "driving excitement" commercial and finding out it's just a car, or quibbling that a beer did not, in fact, "taste great."

No, it would be like buying a car that had a commercial that showed how you could use voice activation to turn on the stereo and pick your station but that didn't actually do that. And that is the "specific complaint" that has been brought up in every single one of these threads. It's not that "it's not as smooth as the commercials" but that the commercials show Siri doing things that it simply doesn't do. That's not the same things as "driving excitement" or "tastes great", it's "here's the functionality we claim our product has" and it turns out that it doesn't.

What is the complaint? You can have Siri turn on a specific radio station? Or did you not cover the specific complaint in your post there? If so, what is it? I'm not trying to be obtuse, I've literally never had someone say what the specific complaint is.


The first complaints I heard were from the contents of the very first commercial. Saying "How do I tie a bow tie?" or "Play some Coltrane" or "I'm locked out" don't do what they said they would do, that is show you how to tie a bow tie, play Coltrane or find a locksmith. Instead, users were getting results like "I can't find a coal train"...
 
2012-06-14 04:14:51 PM

LasersHurt: timujin: LasersHurt: This lawsuit has been discussed before, and nobody could come up with a more specific complaint than "it's not as smooth as the commercials." Which is not actually a case for false advertising, under any laws I know of, because it didn't make specific claims that were proven false.

And really, as someone said above, it's like buying a car after a "driving excitement" commercial and finding out it's just a car, or quibbling that a beer did not, in fact, "taste great."

No, it would be like buying a car that had a commercial that showed how you could use voice activation to turn on the stereo and pick your station but that didn't actually do that. And that is the "specific complaint" that has been brought up in every single one of these threads. It's not that "it's not as smooth as the commercials" but that the commercials show Siri doing things that it simply doesn't do. That's not the same things as "driving excitement" or "tastes great", it's "here's the functionality we claim our product has" and it turns out that it doesn't.

What is the complaint? You can have Siri turn on a specific radio station? Or did you not cover the specific complaint in your post there? If so, what is it? I'm not trying to be obtuse, I've literally never had someone say what the specific complaint is.


The specific complaint: If you say the exact words that the actors in the commercials say into Siri, Siri does not return a response close to what the actors in the commercial receive.

That said, I've seen videos where people test them out and get functionally similar results.
 
2012-06-14 04:19:26 PM

meanmutton: That said, I've seen videos where people test them out and get functionally similar results.


I've seen the same thing. In fact the Malkovich one was almost exact. I guess it's a matter of how picky you want to be and whether or not that's enough to make you litigious.
 
2012-06-14 04:28:02 PM

timujin: LasersHurt: This lawsuit has been discussed before, and nobody could come up with a more specific complaint than "it's not as smooth as the commercials." Which is not actually a case for false advertising, under any laws I know of, because it didn't make specific claims that were proven false.

And really, as someone said above, it's like buying a car after a "driving excitement" commercial and finding out it's just a car, or quibbling that a beer did not, in fact, "taste great."

No, it would be like buying a car that had a commercial that showed how you could use voice activation to turn on the stereo and pick your station but that didn't actually do that. And that is the "specific complaint" that has been brought up in every single one of these threads. It's not that "it's not as smooth as the commercials" but that the commercials show Siri doing things that it simply doesn't do. That's not the same things as "driving excitement" or "tastes great", it's "here's the functionality we claim our product has" and it turns out that it doesn't.


What do the commercials show that Siri can't do? The system is capable of a response to every question I've ever seen in an ad, and a lot of others (customer is our store recently asked it "Where da weed at?" and it searched for head shops). She may not say exactly the same thing every time, but it does have an answer for them.

For once, I agree with Apple's argument: if it really sucked that bad, why didn't people just return their iphones within their carrier's return policy and get something else?
 
2012-06-14 04:30:54 PM

Sleazy_as_Pie: timujin: LasersHurt: This lawsuit has been discussed before, and nobody could come up with a more specific complaint than "it's not as smooth as the commercials." Which is not actually a case for false advertising, under any laws I know of, because it didn't make specific claims that were proven false.

And really, as someone said above, it's like buying a car after a "driving excitement" commercial and finding out it's just a car, or quibbling that a beer did not, in fact, "taste great."

No, it would be like buying a car that had a commercial that showed how you could use voice activation to turn on the stereo and pick your station but that didn't actually do that. And that is the "specific complaint" that has been brought up in every single one of these threads. It's not that "it's not as smooth as the commercials" but that the commercials show Siri doing things that it simply doesn't do. That's not the same things as "driving excitement" or "tastes great", it's "here's the functionality we claim our product has" and it turns out that it doesn't.

What do the commercials show that Siri can't do? The system is capable of a response to every question I've ever seen in an ad, and a lot of others (customer is our store recently asked it "Where da weed at?" and it searched for head shops). She may not say exactly the same thing every time, but it does have an answer for them.

For once, I agree with Apple's argument: if it really sucked that bad, why didn't people just return their iphones within their carrier's return policy and get something else?


We're talking about Apple fans here...returning it would make them "uncool" to their peers.
 
2012-06-14 04:36:19 PM
This article has the actual complaint... Link


I'm just going to copy-paste what I posted on my co-workers Facebook page when he started ranting about this exact case last month...

Just read the filed complaint and... my god it reads like any angry Amazon review. It rambles, contradicts itself and flat out contains incorrect information. This is actually in the Nature of the Action:

"Defendant's advertisements regarding the Siri feature are fundamentally and designedly false and misleading. Notwithstanding Apple's extensive multi-million dollar advertising campaign showcasing the Siri feature, and the fact that the iPhone 4S is more expensive than the iPhone 4, the iPhone 4S's Siri feature does not perform as advertised, rendering the iPhone 4S merely a more expensive iPhone 4"

This is the crux of the lawsuit. That Apple slapped an S on the phone, made some fancy commercials and charged a $100 premium.

Aside from this begging the question, it's flat out incorrect. The 4s is technologically superior to the 4 in almost every conceivable way.

This also ignores that the 4 was $100 more expensive until the release of the 4s, and the 4s has more storage at $199 than the 4 did at $199. In other words, the 4 is only cheaper than the 4s because the 4s came out causing a price drop of the 4.

The only specific claim it makes in the complaint is that the commercials are fiction, and Siri cannot do *any* of the things the commercials say, which is provably false.

The plaintiff also argues that there was no way to know Siri did not perform as well as in the commercials, and was still considered in beta, but cites "false claims" from the Siri introduction Keynote video on Apple's website which shows the product being used in real time, complete with it mishearing things, being slow to respond, including a flub where the presenter claims "it's still in beta".

The thing that will really sink him though, is that his entire case rests on the State of California's consumer protections laws, and the Plaintiff resides and made his purchase in Brooklyn New York, which means they don't apply to him.

--

Something I left out of that initial post was that the guy claims he realized Siri didn't work immediately upon buying the phone... but never considered returning it, opting for a Lawsuit instead.
 
2012-06-14 04:36:19 PM
I have a 4S. When I saw the Malkovich commercial, I thought it was absurd and that there was no way those one word exchanges would work. I tested a few that I could remember from the commercial personally. "Weather", "life", and "joke" all work exactly like in the commercial, the latter two have a few pre-programmed responses so it was not exact.

I also saw a side by side comparison of the "call me rock god" commercial and thought it performed very well (aside from two very clever parts of the commercial where he asks how to play two songs - Siri fails, but the commercial smartly does not show the response to those questions).

Yes it is slower than in the commercials, but the commercials have a disclaimer that the sequences are shortened. I don't know if it's always been there, but it probably covers them very well. They could even argue that part of the sequence cut out of anything that doesn't work as shown was simply Siri responding that is doesn't understand and then them saying something else that actually produces the result. For example:

Commercial:
Me: "I'm locked out"
...
Siri: "I found these locksmiths close to you"

Unshortened Sequence:
Me: "I'm locked out"
Siri: "I don't understand"
Me: "Find locksmiths close to me" (assuming this probably works)
Siri: "I found these locksmiths close to you"
 
2012-06-14 04:37:40 PM
I'm a pretty big Apple fan so I'm a little biased....but...

Has anyone mentioned that Siri is still in BETA?
 
2012-06-14 04:41:11 PM

RexTalionis: namatad: people who use siri

I use Siri. What's wrong with that?


How about Clippy? Do you still use him too?
 
2012-06-14 04:43:35 PM

Gr8GooglyMoogly: Software often doesn't work the same way from one user to the next. Weird, I know.


One major complaint has been that the quality of the query results have become progressively worse over time. Same user, same phone, worse results over time. Even Woz was biatching about it.
 
2012-06-14 04:44:28 PM

Raoul Eaton: RexTalionis: namatad: people who use siri

I use Siri. What's wrong with that?

How about Clippy? Do you still use him too?


Clippy's not very useful while driving. Siri, however, is. It's pretty easy to tell Siri "Shuffle music" without diverting attention from the road.
 
2012-06-14 04:57:09 PM

joness0154: I'm a pretty big Apple fan so I'm a little biased....but...

Has anyone mentioned that Siri is still in BETA?


Nokia has in their Lumina 900 commercials.
 
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