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2012-06-14 12:02:25 PM  
The governor believes in an incremental, market-based solution to boosting coverage and helping states develop ways to help those with difficulty obtaining insurance or care.

Because history has showed us that this is the best way to ensure that most everyone has health insurance. In fact, 99% of Americans had health insurance until that damn Obama started meddling with things.
 
2012-06-14 12:04:19 PM  

keylock71: Yeah, they're going to replace it with Repuplicare...

Republicare can be summed up with one sentence:

"I got mine, so fark you."


fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net
 
2012-06-14 12:06:02 PM  

RedT: keylock71: Yeah, they're going to replace it with Repuplicare...

Republicare can be summed up with one sentence:

"I got mine, so fark you."

[fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 457x195]


If I were home I'd shoop a hand flipping the bird onto the end of that trunk
 
2012-06-14 12:06:14 PM  

Serious Black: Man, I am getting a shiat-ton of mileage out of this article lately.


Good read, man, thanks for sharing that.

Why is it that people fail to realize that in order for insurance companies to function, most clients must pay in more money than what their health care actually costs. There are ways that insurance companies reduce the costs in some ways, with bulk agreements such as "in network" physicians and providers who are promised exclusive access in their area to large numbers of patients in exchange for discounted rates, with the patient paying a penalty in the form of a higher copay or even full price for the service when he or she dares to visit another provider outside of the "network". What it boils down to, though, is that an insurance company could not survive unless most of its customers payed in more money than what their health care actually costs.

The only real reason people have insurance is to cover the cost of catastrophic illness, which is ironic since that is the best way to get dropped from an insurance plan, and become "uninsureable" for the rest of one's life. Most people who have health insurance would do better to pay for their health care out of pocket.
 
2012-06-14 12:07:51 PM  
Pre-existing conditions were covered by a pre-existing plan: charity.
 
2012-06-14 12:07:53 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: RedT: keylock71: Yeah, they're going to replace it with Repuplicare...

Republicare can be summed up with one sentence:

"I got mine, so fark you."

[fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net image 457x195]

If I were home I'd shoop a hand flipping the bird onto the end of that trunk


I agree with you here. Why is it that Republicans swear by Creationism but in reality practice Darwinism?
 
2012-06-14 12:07:58 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Hi! I can lick my own eyebrows: Also, as for losing one's job and coverage. For Small Group Insurance, there is an allowed "Gap" between the termination of one's previous coverage and the effective date of one's new coverage without penalty. The gap is 63 days in most states, 90 in a few.

Cold comfort when 62% of unemployed people take longer than 15 weeks to find another job.


exactly. Not to mention when I was laid off, of course I was offered COBRA. My insurance premium while employed was $108/month, for the "middle" tier of my companie's 3 tier plan. (low, meh, and OMG deductibles, basically), COBRA: $584/month, my ONLY option was OMG ($5000) deductible level. That's just me. Not family. One person. Aaaand of course my pay just went from reasonably decent to $1465/month unemployment.

Yeah, COBRA is awesome.
 
2012-06-14 12:08:04 PM  

qorkfiend: Ned Stark: qorkfiend: Ned Stark: Wendy's Chili: Anyone who doesn't have a problem with covering preexisting conditions, but has a problem with the mandate is either stupid or intellectually dishonest.

"I like dat horseless carriage o' yours, but I don't like that grumbly thing in the front. Whatchu call it again? The engine?"

Yes, there is literally no way to get people insured withot massive, permanent corporate handouts. Can't be done.

...there isn't, without a public option.

...And?

...and we don't have a public option.


And we do have a massive permanent corporate handout. I honestly have no idea what you are getting at. Did you mistake a discussion about policy for a list of facts?
 
2012-06-14 12:08:30 PM  

George Walker Bush: Pre-existing conditions were covered by a pre-existing plan: charity.


And Jeebus. Remember, he healed the sick.
 
2012-06-14 12:12:44 PM  

ox45tallboy: Serious Black: Man, I am getting a shiat-ton of mileage out of this article lately.

Why is it that people fail to realize that in order for insurance companies to function, most clients must pay in more money than what their health care actually costs.


Because most people don't understand how insurance works.

Most people who have health insurance would do better to pay for their health care out of pocket.

Until they get something that costs a lot of money, then they have to pay full price because they don't get the in-network price reduction. Also means they better have at minimum $100K/person ready to go at any time.
 
2012-06-14 12:14:54 PM  

Ned Stark: Yes, there is literally no way to get people insured withot massive, permanent corporate handouts. Can't be done.


I thought you were being sarcastic with "Yes, there is literally no way to get people insured withot massive, permanent corporate handouts. Can't be done."
 
2012-06-14 12:16:24 PM  

HeartBurnKid: sweetmelissa31: [j.wigflip.com image 500x365]

/This is literally his horse by the way

Look at his horse. His horse is amazing.


Give it a lick; it tastes just like raisins.
 
2012-06-14 12:18:28 PM  

George Walker Bush: Pre-existing conditions were covered by a pre-existing plan: charity.


That completely ignores the fact that millions of Americans demanded that Congress create Social Security because they were starving and broke.
 
2012-06-14 12:21:23 PM  

2 grams: What I take away from this is the problem fof calling it "insurance"

Just as I can't call up State Farm today and ask to buy flood insurance and then submit a claim for a flood that occured last week. What do you do with people who didn't buy insurance for what ever reason in the past and now want it because they've discovered they're ill? Are you going to force a private company to pay claims on that? How could that company ever stay in business?

So you force everyone to buy insurance....well, thats argueably uncostitutional.

What Romenyis trying to do is set up Goverment pools to fund these cases. It's viable. Maybe not optimal but viable.

What kills me....(some pun inteneded) I don't see an aswer other than setting up Goverment run hospitals akin to goverment schools. (Yea, you can go private if you want to pay jsut like schools) Unfortunaly I see the level of public health care falling to the same levels of public education. Yikes.

Inovation and adancement are always going to come from the privatge sector....but if you force the private sector to take on and cover things such as prexisting conditions, they can't survive.

a catch 22 it seems


Except much of the innovation is at least started through public grants. Government needs to jumpstart medical research that isn't economically viable but may yield great breakthroughs.
 
2012-06-14 12:23:39 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Books and Deities (but only the One True One, or in His Tripartite Form) of any import get capitalized, the rest get burnt.


Them're some awful fancy words there, jew-boy.

/Jeb, fetch me mah good rope.
 
2012-06-14 12:26:28 PM  

mcwehrle: exactly. Not to mention when I was laid off, of course I was offered COBRA. My insurance premium while employed was $108/month, for the "middle" tier of my companie's 3 tier plan. (low, meh, and OMG deductibles, basically), COBRA: $584/month, my ONLY option was OMG ($5000) deductible level. That's just me. Not family. One person. Aaaand of course my pay just went from reasonably decent to $1465/month unemployment.

Yeah, COBRA is awesome.


Don'cha know that you're supposed to have 6 months of salary stock piled in case you are unable to work for an extended period of time? Sheesh! No wonder you poor people are such socialists.

Lack of planning on your part, does not create an emergency on Mitten's part . . .

/Don't hock your bootstraps, you're gonna need 'em!
//Bootstrapiness!
 
2012-06-14 12:26:38 PM  

Pincy: Until they get something that costs a lot of money, then they have to pay full price because they don't get the in-network price reduction. Also means they better have at minimum $100K/person ready to go at any time.


Part of that stems from the fact that the "in-network" price reduction comes from an "exclusive" contract (read: monopoly) making sure that every one of the insured goes to a particular podiatrist in a certain area. You can always go to a different podiatrist that is closer to you, or that you have been going to all of your life before you got this particular job, but you might as well not have insurance if you don't use the "in-network" physicians.

If you take the money you and your employer are paying in, and set aside everything that isn't being used for doctor's visits, you'd be surprised how quickly enough adds up to pay for an ambulance ride or a broken leg.

The main problem is that so many people that actually have insurance are dropped from the rolls once they come down with some kind of debilitating illness, like cancer or lupus. My mom's health insurance (she's currently working as a teacher for a private corporation operating an alternative school, so no state benefits) will drop her in a hearbeat if she is diagnosed with cancer, so she carries a separate cancer policy that she pays nearly $100/month for - and here's the fun part - she doesn't have cancer. She's never smoked or worked around asbestos or done anything to put her at high risk for cancer, which is the only reason she can get the cancer policy to begin with.

So, since insurance companies like to drop people when they have catastrophic illnesses that necessitate lifetime care, why do we have health insurance?

And for crying out loud, why the fark is the dialogue "People NEED health insurance! We have to make health insurance more accessible!"

No, they farking don't. No one needs health insurance. People need health care.
 
2012-06-14 12:28:25 PM  

Job Creator: Except much of the innovation is at least started through public grants. Government needs to jumpstart medical research that isn't economically viable but may yield great breakthroughs.


Socialism!!!

/never mind the fact so many drugs are being developed in countries with single-payer health care. Viagra, anyone?
 
2012-06-14 12:29:18 PM  

Pincy: then they have to pay full price because they don't get the in-network price reduction.


One could imagine (in that kind of idle daydreaming that eventually leads you to become a bullshiat artist an economist) a place for a company that provided that half of the insurance puzzle. You pay $250 a year. You get a 'discount card'. This company lines up contracts with a network of doctors, pre-negotiates rates... that side of the business. Price negotiations that are very hard for individuals to make due to information asymmetry, immediate need, etc. But, said company wouldn't pay a penny of your actual medical bills.
 
2012-06-14 12:30:48 PM  

qorkfiend: Ned Stark: Yes, there is literally no way to get people insured withot massive, permanent corporate handouts. Can't be done.

I thought you were being sarcastic with "Yes, there is literally no way to get people insured withot massive, permanent corporate handouts. Can't be done."


OK, so were on the same page at that point. You understand I think that is a bad idea. And we agree that a public option could do the job.

But somehow "we don't have a public option right now" is an argument against the public option. That's the bit I don't grok.
 
2012-06-14 12:32:02 PM  

Lawnchair: Pincy: then they have to pay full price because they don't get the in-network price reduction.

One could imagine (in that kind of idle daydreaming that eventually leads you to become a bullshiat artist an economist) a place for a company that provided that half of the insurance puzzle. You pay $250 a year. You get a 'discount card'. This company lines up contracts with a network of doctors, pre-negotiates rates... that side of the business. Price negotiations that are very hard for individuals to make due to information asymmetry, immediate need, etc. But, said company wouldn't pay a penny of your actual medical bills.


And provides an "exclusive contract" for provision of certain medical services in a geographic location. In other words, a monopoly which eliminates patient choice in physicians and providers.
 
2012-06-14 12:33:11 PM  

RedT: mcwehrle: exactly. Not to mention when I was laid off, of course I was offered COBRA. My insurance premium while employed was $108/month, for the "middle" tier of my companie's 3 tier plan. (low, meh, and OMG deductibles, basically), COBRA: $584/month, my ONLY option was OMG ($5000) deductible level. That's just me. Not family. One person. Aaaand of course my pay just went from reasonably decent to $1465/month unemployment.

Yeah, COBRA is awesome.

Don'cha know that you're supposed to have 6 months of salary stock piled in case you are unable to work for an extended period of time? Sheesh! No wonder you poor people are such socialists.

Lack of planning on your part, does not create an emergency on Mitten's part . . .

/Don't hock your bootstraps, you're gonna need 'em!
//Bootstrapiness!


LOL. Yes, I know. I fail bootstrappy 101 miserably I had to also cash in my 401K to survive, while working my part time Wal Mart job to supplement unemployment. No insurance the entire 9 months I was unemployed. While I'm fortunate that I don't have any SERIOUS illness to deal with, I do have what is undoubtedly a preexsisting. While I can treat it OTC, I do feel much better if I can afford to see my doc and get my rx. Doc worked with me on sliding cash scale, however, pharmacies don't. And at $400/month for the one rx, it just was unpossible.

tl;dr : I was one of the lucky ones, and nothing went wrong while I had no insurance.
 
2012-06-14 12:33:35 PM  

Serious Black: George Walker Bush: Pre-existing conditions were covered by a pre-existing plan: charity.

That completely ignores the fact that millions of Americans demanded that Congress create Social Security because they were starving and broke.


That ignores the fact that the whims of large contingencies are not the responsibility of our constitutional republic.

And it did noting to alleviate their suffering and is the cause of ours.
 
2012-06-14 12:33:52 PM  

Ned Stark: OK, so were on the same page at that point. You understand I think that is a bad idea. And we agree that a public option could do the job.

But somehow "we don't have a public option right now" is an argument against the public option. That's the bit I don't grok.


H.R. 676 is languishing in la-la-land..
 
2012-06-14 12:36:13 PM  

Job Creator: Except much of the innovation is at least started through public grants. Government needs to jumpstart medical research that isn't economically viable but may yield great breakthroughs.


There isn't anything that people need that the free market won't provide for, if liberals will stand aside and let it happen. Roads, military, even the court system and government itself.
 
2012-06-14 12:37:45 PM  

mcwehrle: And at $400/month for the one rx, it just was unpossible.


Have you looked at the price of getting your drugs from other countries? We in the states get RAPED on prescription drug costs. I'm not saying you should buy from some guy in India with a .org from GoDaddy, but just take a look at what people in other countries pay for that same medication.

I don't even know what medication it is, but I'd bet you 3 to 2 it's going to be recognizably cheaper for the same medicine from the same manufacturer ANYWHERE else in the world.
 
2012-06-14 12:42:02 PM  

mcwehrle: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Hi! I can lick my own eyebrows: Also, as for losing one's job and coverage. For Small Group Insurance, there is an allowed "Gap" between the termination of one's previous coverage and the effective date of one's new coverage without penalty. The gap is 63 days in most states, 90 in a few.

Cold comfort when 62% of unemployed people take longer than 15 weeks to find another job.

exactly. Not to mention when I was laid off, of course I was offered COBRA. My insurance premium while employed was $108/month, for the "middle" tier of my companie's 3 tier plan. (low, meh, and OMG deductibles, basically), COBRA: $584/month, my ONLY option was OMG ($5000) deductible level. That's just me. Not family. One person. Aaaand of course my pay just went from reasonably decent to $1465/month unemployment.

Yeah, COBRA is awesome.


Heh... No shiat. When my wife lost her job, we lost our health insurance. I'm self-employed, so I was on her insurance.

Subsidized COBRA payments for us? $900 a month.

What the fark? How is that at all "helpful"?

Thankfully, we live in MA and we qualified for Commonwealth Care. It's actually the best insurance we've ever had...
 
2012-06-14 12:42:23 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Roads,


upload.wikimedia.org

hillbillypharmacist: military


civiliancontractors.files.wordpress.com

hillbillypharmacist: even the court system


corbettlawfirm.info

hillbillypharmacist: and government itself.


Drawing a blank on this one. I'm sure it's not far away, though.
 
2012-06-14 12:44:26 PM  

sweetmelissa31: [j.wigflip.com image 500x365]

/This is literally his horse by the way


If I was that horse, I'd throw the rider off. Then I'd go find my "owners" and kick them both right in the farking face. Stuff like dressage should be classified as animal abuse, it's utterly degrading for the horse. A horse is meant to roam, to run, not prance around like a toddler in a beauty pageant. It's worse than those assholes who dress up their dogs.
 
2012-06-14 12:44:49 PM  

ox45tallboy: hillbillypharmacist: and government itself.

Drawing a blank on this one. I'm sure it's not far away, though.


There's a thread in Business about certain trade negotiations that you may find intriguing.

Link
 
2012-06-14 12:44:53 PM  

ox45tallboy: mcwehrle: And at $400/month for the one rx, it just was unpossible.

Have you looked at the price of getting your drugs from other countries? We in the states get RAPED on prescription drug costs. I'm not saying you should buy from some guy in India with a .org from GoDaddy, but just take a look at what people in other countries pay for that same medication.

I don't even know what medication it is, but I'd bet you 3 to 2 it's going to be recognizably cheaper for the same medicine from the same manufacturer ANYWHERE else in the world.


Not disagreeing with you just saying that's it ridiculous that Americans have to shop the world in order to be able to afford their medicine.
 
2012-06-14 12:46:41 PM  

George Walker Bush: Serious Black: George Walker Bush: Pre-existing conditions were covered by a pre-existing plan: charity.

That completely ignores the fact that millions of Americans demanded that Congress create Social Security because they were starving and broke.

That ignores the fact that the whims of large contingencies are not the responsibility of our constitutional republic.


Um, what? What the hell are the responsibilities of our constitutional republic if not to respond to the grievances of its citizens? And if you're trying to say Social Security is unconstitutional, it takes an incredibly tortured reading of the Taxing and Spending Clause to make it unconstitutional even by originalist standards.

And it did noting to alleviate their suffering and is the cause of ours.

Congress abolishing Social Security would recreate the very conditions that led to its introduction in the first place and would inevitably result in its recreation. And what kind of suffering is Social Security causing us anyways?
 
2012-06-14 12:50:06 PM  

qorkfiend: ox45tallboy: hillbillypharmacist: and government itself.

Drawing a blank on this one. I'm sure it's not far away, though.

There's a thread in Business about certain trade negotiations that you may find intriguing.

Link


HOA's. That's what I should have put. Many cities aren't allowing new development without a HOA in place so they won't be bothered by such things as road and streetlight maintenance or code enforcement.

But your article is interesting, I should hit the Business tab more often.
 
2012-06-14 12:50:27 PM  

Pincy: Not disagreeing with you just saying that's it ridiculous that Americans have to shop the world in order to be able to afford their medicine.


... or just get the right insurance, apparently.

I take Advair. Here are the prices I've paid with various insurance and with no insurance:

Without insurance: $250/Month

With insurance plan 1 (through wife's employer): $50/ Month

With insurance plan 2 (Commonwealth Care): $3.50/Month

I freely admit to not being well versed in how medical insurance works, but this makes no farking sense to me.
 
2012-06-14 12:52:17 PM  

mcwehrle: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Hi! I can lick my own eyebrows: Also, as for losing one's job and coverage. For Small Group Insurance, there is an allowed "Gap" between the termination of one's previous coverage and the effective date of one's new coverage without penalty. The gap is 63 days in most states, 90 in a few.

Cold comfort when 62% of unemployed people take longer than 15 weeks to find another job.

exactly. Not to mention when I was laid off, of course I was offered COBRA. My insurance premium while employed was $108/month, for the "middle" tier of my companie's 3 tier plan. (low, meh, and OMG deductibles, basically), COBRA: $584/month, my ONLY option was OMG ($5000) deductible level. That's just me. Not family. One person. Aaaand of course my pay just went from reasonably decent to $1465/month unemployment.

Yeah, COBRA is awesome.


My daughter has a pre-existing condition she's had since she was an infant, so I pretty much had to take COBRA when I was laid off last year. The cost for the two of us? $1100/month. At least I had $1600/month in unemployment to pay for it, but pesky things like the mortgage, car payment, etc weren't going to get paid on top of that. Fortunately, I was rehired before the "gift" (they gave us insurance until the end of the month in which we were laid off) ran out. If it had gone on longer, I have no idea what we would have done. I'd made too much money in the prior 12 months to qualify for the state insurance, even just for my daughter.

COBRA is indeed awesome.
 
2012-06-14 12:53:19 PM  

ox45tallboy: Drawing a blank on this one. I'm sure it's not far away, though.


Comcast Fire® offers a monthly discount if you have a smoke detector in every room and subscribe to XFINITY Triple Play.
 
2012-06-14 12:54:07 PM  

Pincy: ox45tallboy: mcwehrle: And at $400/month for the one rx, it just was unpossible.

Have you looked at the price of getting your drugs from other countries? We in the states get RAPED on prescription drug costs. I'm not saying you should buy from some guy in India with a .org from GoDaddy, but just take a look at what people in other countries pay for that same medication.

I don't even know what medication it is, but I'd bet you 3 to 2 it's going to be recognizably cheaper for the same medicine from the same manufacturer ANYWHERE else in the world.

Not disagreeing with you just saying that's it ridiculous that Americans have to shop the world in order to be able to afford their medicine.


Well, about that. Thanks to shiattons of money thrown at the Congress Critters by the drug lobbyists, it's technically illegal to re-import many of these drugs that were, in fact, produced here in the first place!
 
2012-06-14 12:57:08 PM  

ox45tallboy: Pincy: ox45tallboy: mcwehrle: And at $400/month for the one rx, it just was unpossible.

Have you looked at the price of getting your drugs from other countries? We in the states get RAPED on prescription drug costs. I'm not saying you should buy from some guy in India with a .org from GoDaddy, but just take a look at what people in other countries pay for that same medication.

I don't even know what medication it is, but I'd bet you 3 to 2 it's going to be recognizably cheaper for the same medicine from the same manufacturer ANYWHERE else in the world.

Not disagreeing with you just saying that's it ridiculous that Americans have to shop the world in order to be able to afford their medicine.

Well, about that. Thanks to shiattons of money thrown at the Congress Critters by the drug lobbyists, it's technically illegal to re-import many of these drugs that were, in fact, produced here in the first place!


See! The Free MarketTM works!
 
2012-06-14 12:58:16 PM  

ox45tallboy: Pincy: ox45tallboy: mcwehrle: And at $400/month for the one rx, it just was unpossible.

Have you looked at the price of getting your drugs from other countries? We in the states get RAPED on prescription drug costs. I'm not saying you should buy from some guy in India with a .org from GoDaddy, but just take a look at what people in other countries pay for that same medication.

I don't even know what medication it is, but I'd bet you 3 to 2 it's going to be recognizably cheaper for the same medicine from the same manufacturer ANYWHERE else in the world.

Not disagreeing with you just saying that's it ridiculous that Americans have to shop the world in order to be able to afford their medicine.

Well, about that. Thanks to shiattons of money thrown at the Congress Critters by the drug lobbyists, it's technically illegal to re-import many of these drugs that were, in fact, produced here in the first place!


And didn't they also make it so that the government can't use its leverage to negotiate lower prescription drug prices?
 
2012-06-14 01:00:52 PM  

ox45tallboy:
I don't even know what medication it is, but I'd bet you 3 to 2 it's going to be recognizably cheaper for the same medicine from the same manufacturer ANYWHERE else in the world.


I'm sure it is, it's not an unusual medication by any means. But I've always been afraid of ordering from other countries. I every so often run across a news article of some generally law abiding person (like me) on some potentially financially devastating rx (like mine would be without insurance, and the co-pay is still $45, but at least it's not $400), who orders from Canada or whatnot, customs catches it, they get fined, 30 days in jail, etc.....

is it worth it to get butt-farked like that? I'm not sure.

Because with the way my luck generally runs, that's what would happen to me.
 
2012-06-14 01:01:58 PM  
Yeah, sucks your kid died. You're too much of a grasshopper. Your kid must have been one too.

It's all right here in this children's story.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-14 01:08:25 PM  
You'd be mad too if someone sole your idea and slapped his name on it. Romney should sue.
 
2012-06-14 01:08:56 PM  

Pincy:
Not disagreeing with you just saying that's it ridiculous that Americans have to shop the world in order to be able to afford their medicine.


You're correct, we shouldn't have to.

Brandyelf:My daughter has a pre-existing condition she's had since she was an infant, so I pretty much had to take COBRA when I was laid off last year. The cost for the two of us? $1100/month. At least I had $1600/month in unemployment to pay for it, but pesky things like the mortgage, car payment, etc weren't going to get paid on top of that. Fortunately, I was rehired before the "gift" (they gave us insurance until the end of the month in which we were laid off) ran out. If it had gone on longer, I have no idea what we would have done. I'd made too much money in the prior 12 months to qualify for the state insurance, even just for my daughter.


yep. Same here....rent, food, electricity, car payment...those pesky things just seemed more important than COBRA. If something catastrophic would have happened, we have the hospital emergency room to fall back on. No, it's not right. But they can't refuse to treat you, and you can worry about paying for it later. Am I wrong in thinking that really sucks?????

I did try to qualify for IL state aid. Made FAR too much money in the last two quarters to even attempt it. So I wasn't poor long enough, apparently.

I don't have an answer. I just hope I don't get really really sick anytime soon. Like the next 50 years.
 
2012-06-14 01:11:50 PM  

Serious Black: Serious Black:

Um, what? What the hell are the responsibilities of our constitutional republic if not to respond to the grievances of its citizens? And if you're trying to say Social Security is unconstitutional, it takes an incredibly tortured reading of the Taxing and Spending Clause to make it unconstitutional even by originalist standards.

Congress abolishing Social Security would recreate the very conditions that led to its introduction in the first place and would inevitably result in its recreation. And what kind of suffering is Social Security causing us anyways?


Welfare is not putting every citizens' financial house in order. Ending Social Security now by giving all who paid in, the choice of receiving all existing commitments prorated or the repay of all funds withheld is the only way of instilling the work ethic needed to pull ourselves out of the far greater Depression we are currently in.
 
2012-06-14 01:11:58 PM  

mcwehrle: yep. Same here....rent, food, electricity, car payment...those pesky things just seemed more important than COBRA. If something catastrophic would have happened, we have the hospital emergency room to fall back on. No, it's not right. But they can't refuse to treat you, and you can worry about paying for it later. Am I wrong in thinking that really sucks?????


It's a myth that everyone who doesn't have insurance can just use the emergency room to get treatment. The ER is only for emergencies. If you have cancer you aren't going to get chemo or radiation treatment at the ER. So yes, they can refuse to treat you.
 
2012-06-14 01:18:06 PM  

Pincy: It's a myth that everyone who doesn't have insurance can just use the emergency room to get treatment. The ER is only for emergencies. If you have cancer you aren't going to get chemo or radiation treatment at the ER. So yes, they can refuse to treat you.


Yes, of course you're correct. I was speaking only in terms of ME, and it's not a chemo treatment I would need.

It's still farked.
 
2012-06-14 01:22:34 PM  

George Walker Bush: Serious Black: Serious Black:

Um, what? What the hell are the responsibilities of our constitutional republic if not to respond to the grievances of its citizens? And if you're trying to say Social Security is unconstitutional, it takes an incredibly tortured reading of the Taxing and Spending Clause to make it unconstitutional even by originalist standards.

Congress abolishing Social Security would recreate the very conditions that led to its introduction in the first place and would inevitably result in its recreation. And what kind of suffering is Social Security causing us anyways?

Welfare is not putting every citizens' financial house in order. Ending Social Security now by giving all who paid in, the choice of receiving all existing commitments prorated or the repay of all funds withheld is the only way of instilling the work ethic needed to pull ourselves out of the far greater Depression we are currently in.


Sure. Go ahead and run on that.
 
2012-06-14 01:24:55 PM  

George Walker Bush: Serious Black: Serious Black:

Um, what? What the hell are the responsibilities of our constitutional republic if not to respond to the grievances of its citizens? And if you're trying to say Social Security is unconstitutional, it takes an incredibly tortured reading of the Taxing and Spending Clause to make it unconstitutional even by originalist standards.

Congress abolishing Social Security would recreate the very conditions that led to its introduction in the first place and would inevitably result in its recreation. And what kind of suffering is Social Security causing us anyways?

Welfare is not putting every citizens' financial house in order. Ending Social Security now by giving all who paid in, the choice of receiving all existing commitments prorated or the repay of all funds withheld is the only way of instilling the work ethic needed to pull ourselves out of the far greater Depression we are currently in.


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**gasp for air**

AH, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!1!1!1!

**collapse to floor**

/could somebody hand me an oxygen mask please?
 
2012-06-14 01:28:19 PM  
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2012-06-14 01:29:15 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: FTA: only Americans who have had constant, uninterrupted insurance coverage should be guaranteed access to a health plan, regardless of any pre-existing conditions.

To get health insurance, you need to have health insurance.

But to have health insurance, you need to have gotten health insurance...

Therefore, to have health insurance, you need health insurROMNEYBOT EXPERIENCED A CRITICAL ERROR AND NEEDS TO SHUT DOWN


He really is just the personification of a BSOD, isn't he?
 
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