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2012-06-14 10:07:46 AM
I'm sorry GOP, your efforts to smear the affordable care act as "Obamacare" is going to backfire badly and give the blark muslin usurper a name that people will use for years to come to represent their ability to go to the hospital without going broke.

Good job!
 
2012-06-14 10:17:06 AM

Endrick: I'm sorry GOP, your efforts to smear the affordable care act as "Obamacare" is going to backfire badly and give the blark muslin usurper a name that people will use for years to come to represent their ability to go to the hospital without going broke.

Good job!


imagine if medicare were called "johnsoncare." wait, scratch that...
 
2012-06-14 10:17:53 AM
Maybe if he opposes Obamacare enough, he'll seem acceptably conservative to the 27%ers.
 
2012-06-14 10:19:09 AM
Yeah, they're going to replace it with Repuplicare...

Republicare can be summed up with one sentence:

"I got mine, so fark you."
 
2012-06-14 10:25:33 AM
FTA: only Americans who have had constant, uninterrupted insurance coverage should be guaranteed access to a health plan, regardless of any pre-existing conditions.

To get health insurance, you need to have health insurance.

But to have health insurance, you need to have gotten health insurance...

Therefore, to have health insurance, you need health insurROMNEYBOT EXPERIENCED A CRITICAL ERROR AND NEEDS TO SHUT DOWN
 
2012-06-14 10:25:52 AM

FlashHarry: Endrick: I'm sorry GOP, your efforts to smear the affordable care act as "Obamacare" is going to backfire badly and give the blark muslin usurper a name that people will use for years to come to represent their ability to go to the hospital without going broke.

Good job!

imagine if medicare were called "johnsoncare." wait, scratch that...


I've been told proper johnsoncare does NOT involve scratching that, and I'll have to go get an ointment.
 
2012-06-14 10:27:00 AM
I'm curious how the unleashing the magical powers of the free market will help people with pre-existing conditions purchase adequate health insurance when it already miserably fails to do so.
 
2012-06-14 10:27:40 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: only Americans who have had constant, uninterrupted insurance coverage should be guaranteed access to a health plan, regardless of any pre-existing conditions.


....Lose your job? fark you peasant. You should have been smart enough not to work at a company that Bain Capital targeted for destruction.
 
2012-06-14 10:29:44 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: FTA: only Americans who have had constant, uninterrupted insurance coverage should be guaranteed access to a health plan, regardless of any pre-existing conditions.

To get health insurance, you need to have health insurance.

But to have health insurance, you need to have gotten health insurance...

Therefore, to have health insurance, you need health insurROMNEYBOT EXPERIENCED A CRITICAL ERROR AND NEEDS TO SHUT DOWN


Please. Any robot the GOP ran would have to be built with Paradox absorbing crumple zones. It's necessary to support the Rovian Spin Generator and the Republican business model.
 
2012-06-14 10:30:08 AM
"You know, regardless of what they do, it's going to be up to the next president to either repeal and replace Obamacare or to replace Obamacare," Romney told a crowd in Orlando on Tuesday.

All right, who's responsible for writing this code now? This is very, very sloppy work, and it just won't do for our first Robot President. I expect to not see shiat like this anymore, or people will be looking for new jobs. Got it?
 
2012-06-14 10:32:13 AM
Rmoney shamelessly supports big business regardless of any moral implications. You don't make money by letting children live.
 
2012-06-14 10:32:14 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: FTA: only Americans who have had constant, uninterrupted insurance coverage should be guaranteed access to a health plan, regardless of any pre-existing conditions.

To get health insurance, you need to have health insurance.

But to have health insurance, you need to have gotten health insurance...

Therefore, to have health insurance, you need health insurROMNEYBOT EXPERIENCED A CRITICAL ERROR AND NEEDS TO SHUT DOWN


Yo dawg, we heard you want health insurance. So we decided that before you get health insurance that you'll need health insurance. That way, you can have healthy insurance while you have health insurance!
 
2012-06-14 10:32:40 AM
Romney's position - protecting people with pre-existing conditions so long as they've always had insurance - has been law since 1996, experts say. It does not immediately address people who have never had private health insurance, or who have had insurance but spent some time without, often because of financial circumstances and unemployment.


So despite what he claims, he has just told us that he doesn't give a flying fark about the unemployed? Anyone else pick that up?

What a prick.
 
2012-06-14 10:32:43 AM
"You know, regardless of what they do, it's going to be up to the next president to either repeal and replace Obamacare or to replace Obamacare," Romney told a crowd in Orlando on Tuesday.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it will be Congress. I don't think the President has that power. And since it's federal law, ANY Congress will have the power to do that, if they want to touch the third rail.

Serious Black: I'm curious how the unleashing the magical powers of the free market will help people with pre-existing conditions purchase adequate health insurance when it already miserably fails to do so.


"reforms that empower states to make high risk pools more accessible by using cost reducing methods like risk adjustment and reinsurance". Gawd, don't you understand anything? Risk adjustment and reinsurance will make it all cheaper, and everyone will be able to afford their own healthcare.
 
2012-06-14 10:33:33 AM
F*ck you, too, Mitt
 
2012-06-14 10:34:03 AM

Serious Black: I'm curious how the unleashing the magical powers of the free market will help people with pre-existing conditions purchase adequate health insurance when it already miserably fails to do so.


You could say that about virtually any republican policy anymore.

"I'm curious how sending troops to the middle of the farking desert to fight Arabs is going to create stability in the region when all it's done every other time is create anti-American despotic regimes".

"I'm curious how further cutting back government spending in a recession is going to improve the economy when every other time we've done it, it just made things worse"

"I'm curious how more tax cuts for the rich and big business is going to improve the economy this time when every other time we did it they just squirreled it away or used it for stock repurchase programs".
 
2012-06-14 10:34:37 AM

Citrate1007: You don't make money by letting children live.


So Romneybot will be able to make the necessary calculations to find the true value of a human life?
 
2012-06-14 10:35:21 AM

Mikey1969: Romney's position - protecting people with pre-existing conditions so long as they've always had insurance - has been law since 1996, experts say. It does not immediately address people who have never had private health insurance, or who have had insurance but spent some time without, often because of financial circumstances and unemployment.


So despite what he claims, he has just told us that he doesn't give a flying fark about the unemployed? Anyone else pick that up?

What a prick.


What sort of people have always had uninterrupted coverage from health insurance? Lucky people with decades-long careers at the same company, and those who can afford coverage on the private market, i.e. the wealthy. Romney's not saying he doesn't give a flying fark about the unemployed (though this is clearly true), he's saying that the only people who should have access to health insurance regardless of pre-existing conditions are rich people.
 
2012-06-14 10:35:25 AM

Aar1012: Citrate1007: You don't make money by letting children live.

So Romneybot will be able to make the necessary calculations to find the true value of a human life?


He'll likely set up some sort of panel to do that
 
2012-06-14 10:35:35 AM
"Governor Romney supports reforms to protect those with pre-existing conditions from being denied access to a health plan while they have continuous coverage,"

So he thinks that insurance companies should not be able to deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions ONLY if you already had insurance before you had the condition. Does he even understand WTF pre-existing even means?
 
2012-06-14 10:35:50 AM
Romney opposes Romneycare?

What a douche. And a liar.
 
2012-06-14 10:36:29 AM

Splinshints: Serious Black: I'm curious how the unleashing the magical powers of the free market will help people with pre-existing conditions purchase adequate health insurance when it already miserably fails to do so.

You could say that about virtually any republican policy anymore.

"I'm curious how sending troops to the middle of the farking desert to fight Arabs is going to create stability in the region when all it's done every other time is create anti-American despotic regimes".

"I'm curious how further cutting back government spending in a recession is going to improve the economy when every other time we've done it, it just made things worse"

"I'm curious how more tax cuts for the rich and big business is going to improve the economy this time when every other time we did it they just squirreled it away or used it for stock repurchase programs".


It could be argued that Republicans have been actively trying to destroy America for a while now, but that would imply many of our elected officials have a goal besides enriching themselves and their friends.
 
2012-06-14 10:36:29 AM

Karac: "Governor Romney supports reforms to protect those with pre-existing conditions from being denied access to a health plan while they have continuous coverage,"

So he thinks that insurance companies should not be able to deny coverage due to pre-existing conditions ONLY if you already had insurance before you had the condition. Does he even understand WTF pre-existing even means?


Yeah. He just doesn't CARE.
 
2012-06-14 10:36:40 AM

Citrate1007: Rmoney shamelessly supports big business regardless of any moral implications. You don't make money by letting children live.


Unless you're a baby-food manufacturer. Then it's pretty obligatory to a successful business model.
 
2012-06-14 10:37:54 AM

palelizard: "You know, regardless of what they do, it's going to be up to the next president to either repeal and replace Obamacare or to replace Obamacare," Romney told a crowd in Orlando on Tuesday.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it will be Congress. I don't think the President has that power. And since it's federal law, ANY Congress will have the power to do that, if they want to touch the third rail.


Well if that were true then why is it "Obamacare". It's almost as if the hatred directed at the man had something to do with things beyond his administrative policies...
 
2012-06-14 10:38:10 AM
Yea, as someone with a pre-existing condition facing a nice out-of-pocket equivalent to 3 months of paychecks when I get booted off my parents plan, I wholeheartedly endorse the "Fark the GOP in the ass with a red hot poker" plan.
 
2012-06-14 10:38:14 AM

Aar1012: Sock Ruh Tease: FTA: only Americans who have had constant, uninterrupted insurance coverage should be guaranteed access to a health plan, regardless of any pre-existing conditions.

To get health insurance, you need to have health insurance.

But to have health insurance, you need to have gotten health insurance...

Therefore, to have health insurance, you need health insurROMNEYBOT EXPERIENCED A CRITICAL ERROR AND NEEDS TO SHUT DOWN

Yo dawg, we heard you want health insurance. So we decided that before you get health insurance that you'll need health insurance. That way, you can have healthy insurance while you have health insurance!


He's trying to create a market for health insurance insurance: you pay a premium to a company who, in the event you lose your coverage, will buy coverage for you. The coverage they buy doesn't actually cover anything medical, but you get to say you had health insurance.

// I actually think some in the GOP/business community would run with this idea
// PATENT PENDING
 
2012-06-14 10:38:18 AM
If Obama came out in support of breathing oxygen, Romney would oppose it.
 
2012-06-14 10:38:30 AM
j.wigflip.com

/This is literally his horse by the way
 
2012-06-14 10:38:33 AM

palelizard: Citrate1007: Rmoney shamelessly supports big business regardless of any moral implications. You don't make money by letting children live.

Unless you're a baby-food manufacturer. Then it's pretty obligatory to a successful business model.


Not in China.
 
2012-06-14 10:38:41 AM

Serious Black: I'm curious how the unleashing the magical powers of the free market will help people with pre-existing conditions purchase adequate health insurance when it already miserably fails to do so.


The same way churches will take care of the poor if we eliminate all government aid to the poor, despite their at-least-2000-year-long record of failure at the task.
 
2012-06-14 10:39:01 AM
Can he explain the difference being continually insured makes?
 
2012-06-14 10:40:06 AM

ghare: Romney opposes Romneycare?

What a douche. And a liar.



I think the problem is that he doesn't actually see an issue with it, so he is unable to separate the good from the bad in his mind. He just thinks 'they hate it' so he is opposing it.
 
2012-06-14 10:40:42 AM

palelizard: Serious Black: I'm curious how the unleashing the magical powers of the free market will help people with pre-existing conditions purchase adequate health insurance when it already miserably fails to do so.

"reforms that empower states to make high risk pools more accessible by using cost reducing methods like risk adjustment and reinsurance". Gawd, don't you understand anything? Risk adjustment and reinsurance will make it all cheaper, and everyone will be able to afford their own healthcare.


Man, I am getting a shiat-ton of mileage out of this article lately.

There's a very good reason people with pre-existing conditions are frequently denied coverage outright rather than simply charged an exorbitant price for coverage. They have too much knowledge about how much the treatments for their condition cost. That means they, better than anyone, can figure out whether the insurance policy a company offers to them is worth the price regardless of what that price is. There is simply no way to make plans for sick people actuarially sound. This is actually what happened with the PCIPs created by ObamaCares to bridge the gap until 2014: the people who knew their health care would cost more than the cost of the insurance plan bought coverage, and the people who knew it would cost less stayed out of the pool. That's why the average per capita cost of these pools was more than double what HHS actuaries originally predicted.

/note, I was not addressing this to you specifically
 
2012-06-14 10:41:08 AM

Aar1012: Citrate1007: You don't make money by letting children live.

So Romneybot will be able to make the necessary calculations to find the true value of a human life?


Not a definitive value, but definitely a confidence interval. Actuarial science is really just a lot of math. Now, that value is going to be individually tailored like a good suit, and I'm guessing the net worth of the individual at present is going to have a solid impact. After all, isn't the life of a wealthy business-owner and job creator worth more than that of a homeless bum? And you can think I meant "worth more to society" if you want.
 
2012-06-14 10:41:44 AM
Romney is a scumbag. Anyone who protests in favor of war that they are exempt from has no place governing others.
 
2012-06-14 10:43:38 AM
Hmmm... I thought that Mitt's AI routines would be adjusted to be more centrist for the general election. It seems odd that he's looking to go the other way. I wonder if it's an oversight or they have to flash his BIOS and do a clean install.
 
2012-06-14 10:44:33 AM
B-b-b-but Mandate
 
2012-06-14 10:44:35 AM
Romney liked Obamacare when he enacted the EXACT SAME PROGRAM in Massachusetts.
 
2012-06-14 10:45:23 AM
People rip Romney as if he is saying this to support big businesses.

Big businesses make out big-time from Obamacare, why do you think the largest health insurers got behind it? They're going to make a killing as millions are forced to buy insurance and all of their smaller, better competition goes under because the smaller insurers can't hit the magic medical loss ratio number.

So are the EMR companies (they already have).
 
2012-06-14 10:46:01 AM

Serious Black: the people who knew their health care would cost more than the cost of the insurance plan bought coverage, and the people who knew it would cost less stayed out of the pool.


Which is why the Heritage Foundation, Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Lamar Alexander, and a whole host of other right-wing thinkers proposed a rather ugly but semi-functional solution to that problem...
 
2012-06-14 10:46:31 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Aar1012: Citrate1007: You don't make money by letting children live.

So Romneybot will be able to make the necessary calculations to find the true value of a human life?

He'll likely set up some sort of panel to do that


But what denomitation will Romney base it on? The US Dollar or votes?

A Fetus might only be worth about $1000 but, in some areas, it might be 10,000 votes.

A job creator might only be worth about ten votes but could be worth millions in US dollars.

Do you see the difficulty facing Romneybot? The only real simple value, in his eyes, is a homeless person - $1 or 1 vote.
 
2012-06-14 10:46:36 AM

highbrow45: Can he explain the difference being continually insured makes?


OK, here's how I undertstand his position.

If you've been working at a company that offered insurance, or you've been buying it privately for a few years, then if you find out you just got cancer, they can't deny your coverage because you've been continually insuranced (ignore the fact that the cancer wasn't actually pre-existing, he's on a roll).

Now lets say another six months go by and you get laid off. If you keep your insurance (not sure how you would do that if you got it through your job, again - rolling), then the insurance company has to keep providing coverage. But if you were to ever NOT have insurance, then when you go to get a new plan, they could deny it for the (now) pre-existing cancer because there was a period where you did not have coverage.

In short, he wants to go back to exactly the same state pre-Obamacare regarding pre-existing conditions and getting insurance. He just doesn't want to actually come out and say that so he's trying a new 'continual insurance' buzzword to fool the great unwashed.
 
2012-06-14 10:46:51 AM

vernonFL: Romney liked Obamacare when he enacted the EXACT SAME PROGRAM in Massachusetts.


But evil liberals held a gun to his head and forced him to sign that legislation AGAINST HIS WILL!

/or some such bullshiat
 
2012-06-14 10:48:01 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: FTA: only Americans who have had constant, uninterrupted insurance coverage should be guaranteed access to a health plan, regardless of any pre-existing conditions.

To get health insurance, you need to have health insurance.

But to have health insurance, you need to have gotten health insurance...

Therefore, to have health insurance, you need health insurROMNEYBOT EXPERIENCED A CRITICAL ERROR AND NEEDS TO SHUT DOWN



Republicans have already fixed that little error on other subjects.

Hey, so I hear you want a job? Well to get this entry-level position, you need a couple years experience in the related field. To get that experience, you need this entry-level position. Why don't you work for free for a couple years and we might hire you after that.


So for health-insurance, from now on, we'll just need to pay into the system for a few years before they start covering us.
 
2012-06-14 10:49:25 AM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Yea, as someone with a pre-existing condition facing a nice out-of-pocket equivalent to 3 months of paychecks when I get booted off my parents plan, I wholeheartedly endorse the "Fark the GOP in the ass with a red hot poker" plan.


This
 
2012-06-14 10:50:06 AM

Citrate1007: Well if that were true then why is it "Obamacare". It's almost as if the hatred directed at the man had something to do with things beyond his administrative policies...


I believe it stems from the arugala incident. It's a little known but very important fact the iceberg lettuce lobby is extremely powerful, and when they teamed up with the yellow mustard faction, it was all over but for the crying.

Citrate1007: Not in China.


They're on the other side of the world, it's well known people on the other side of the world do things backwards. That's why Australian toilets flush upwards.
 
2012-06-14 10:52:45 AM
FTFA: "But you don't want everyone saying, 'I'm going to get back until I get sick,' and then go buy insurance."

If only there were some kind of mandate to prevent an individual from doing that.
 
2012-06-14 10:53:18 AM

Lawnchair: Serious Black: the people who knew their health care would cost more than the cost of the insurance plan bought coverage, and the people who knew it would cost less stayed out of the pool.

Which is why the Heritage Foundation, Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole, Lamar Alexander, and a whole host of other right-wing thinkers proposed a rather ugly but semi-functional solution to that problem...


You mean that dirty pinko Commie socialist authoritarian collectivist freedom-crushing anti-American individual mandate? Yeah, I'm kind of familiar with that...
 
2012-06-14 10:54:53 AM
ROMNEY: "Well, we'll look at circumstance where someone was ill, and hasn't been insured so far. But people have had the chance to be insured. If you're working at an auto business, for instance."

LENO: "Right."

ROMNEY: "The companies carry insurance. They insure all their employees."


This is what Romneybot actually believes.

LENO: "What about pre-existing conditions in children? That - I mean, I know people who could not get insurance up until this Obamacare and now they're covered. Their pre-existing condition is covered. ...It seems like children and people with pre-existing conditions should be covered."

ROMNEY: "Yeah. Well, people who have been continuously insured, let's say someone's had a job for a while but insured, then they get real sick and they happen to lose a job, or change jobs, they find, gosh, I've got a pre-existing condition, I can't get insured. I'd say, no, no no. As long as you've been continuously insured, you ought to be able to get insurance going forward. See, you have to take that problem away. You have to make sure the legislation doesn't allow insurance companies to reject people."


Note... Romney won't even farking answer the part about children *born* with 'pre-existing conditions'.

/ Also, when you are getting shown up as a douche by Jay frekking Leno, you are indeed a high-grade douche.
 
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