If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Salon)   The last three years have been really, really bad for the middle class, so vote Obama, because it's still Bush's fault   (salon.com) divider line 242
    More: Obvious, President Obama, George W. Bush, middle class, Jared Bernstein, Federal Reserve, John Sides, Mitt Romney  
•       •       •

1490 clicks; posted to Politics » on 14 Jun 2012 at 9:40 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



242 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-06-14 08:32:50 AM
Well, in a lot of ways, 'tis still Bush's fault.
 
2012-06-14 08:43:52 AM
To be fair, how much worse off would we be after Bush's implosion of the economy if McCain had been at the wheel?

How many more young men and women would have been sent overseas? How many would not have returned?

Things aren't great, but considering the scope of disaster of essentially the GW years squandering money, resources, and manpower, how much better does anyone think it should be? Obama was handed a burning house, and folks are upset that it's not been turned into a four diamond hotel in one term, while half the folks who have been supposed to be working towards recovery have essentially been pouting and sitting on the sidelines complaining bitterly that folks aren't "doing it right!"

Are y'all f*cking children?
 
2012-06-14 08:47:04 AM
sas-origin.onstreammedia.com
 
2012-06-14 08:49:09 AM

hubiestubert: Are y'all f*cking children?


You don't really want the answer to that question, do you?
 
2012-06-14 08:49:13 AM

hubiestubert: To be fair, how much worse off would we be after Bush's implosion of the economy if McCain had been at the wheel?

How many more young men and women would have been sent overseas? How many would not have returned?

Things aren't great, but considering the scope of disaster of essentially the GW years squandering money, resources, and manpower, how much better does anyone think it should be? Obama was handed a burning house, and folks are upset that it's not been turned into a four diamond hotel in one term, while half the folks who have been supposed to be working towards recovery have essentially been pouting and sitting on the sidelines complaining bitterly that folks aren't "doing it right!"

Are y'all f*cking children?


Don't forget an obstructionist congress to stall progress to boot.
 
2012-06-14 08:55:16 AM

Cythraul: Don't forget an obstructionist congress to stall progress to boot.


Which is why the Harry Reid-led Senate has unanimously rejected the White House's last two budget proposals?

//Can't blame this all on Bush, or the crying Orange guy.....
 
2012-06-14 09:04:38 AM

hurdboy: Cythraul: Don't forget an obstructionist congress to stall progress to boot.

Which is why the Harry Reid-led Senate has unanimously rejected the White House's last two budget proposals?

//Can't blame this all on Bush, or the crying Orange guy.....


Really? Why did he/they reject them?
 
2012-06-14 09:06:55 AM

Cythraul: Really? Why did he/they reject them?


Doesn't the House (not the President) submit the Budget to the Senate, or am I thinking of Imagination Land?
 
2012-06-14 09:07:51 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Cythraul: Really? Why did he/they reject them?

Doesn't the House (not the President) submit the Budget to the Senate, or am I thinking of Imagination Land?


That might explain a lot.
 
2012-06-14 09:16:13 AM

Cythraul: Really? Why did he/they reject them?


It's procedural, mostly. They can't reconsider any legislation they've previously rejected. So, since the President's budget lacked the requisite earmarksCongressionally-directed spending, they reject the whole thing. This year, they tried to get the House to do the dirty work for them, but they ended up taking a vote, themselves, a couple of weeks later. The House also unanimously rejected the President's proposal (something like 40X-0).

But there hasn't been a full budget since FY2010, which Congress finished with the approval of the health care law in March 2010 (halfway through the fiscal year). It's been continuing resolutions since then.
 
2012-06-14 09:18:28 AM

hurdboy: Cythraul: Don't forget an obstructionist congress to stall progress to boot.

Which is why the Harry Reid-led Senate has unanimously rejected the White House's last two budget proposals?

//Can't blame this all on Bush, or the crying Orange guy.....


Found it. I can't imagine why the Senate would reject such reasonable budgetary measures introduced by the GOP. It's more of the same cut 'entitlements' and cut taxes on the wealthy BS they always propose.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Cythraul: Really? Why did he/they reject them?

Doesn't the House (not the President) submit the Budget to the Senate, or am I thinking of Imagination Land?


We were thinking of Imagination Land. U.S. Budget (It is a wiki, though)
 
2012-06-14 09:18:57 AM
I don't blame Bush OR Obama for our current state of economic collapse. this mess was caused by a LOT of people: the banks, wall street, Congress being a bunch of idiots, corporations who put short term profits ahead of long term stability....plenty of blame to go around. Which isn't to say that Bush and Obama haven't made mistakes - both have done things that haven't helped, or were completely ineffective. But to pin the blame on ANY president is intellectually dishonest.
 
2012-06-14 09:22:22 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Cythraul: Really? Why did he/they reject them?

Doesn't the House (not the President) submit the Budget to the Senate, or am I thinking of Imagination Land?


Actually, now that I think about it again, I think you're right. My brain always wants to replace 'Senate' with 'Congress.' The president gives it to House, House tinkers with it and then sends it to Senate. I believe that's how it works. I'm not really in the mood to keep reading about it, though.
 
2012-06-14 09:30:17 AM

Cythraul: Found it. I can't imagine why the Senate would reject such reasonable budgetary measures introduced by the GOP. It's more of the same cut 'entitlements' and cut taxes on the wealthy BS they always propose.


Here ya go.
 
2012-06-14 09:40:57 AM
Well, its not all Bush's fault, but its 10x more his fault than Obama's
 
2012-06-14 09:40:58 AM

Weaver95: I don't blame Bush OR Obama for our current state of economic collapse. this mess was caused by a LOT of people: the banks, wall street, Congress being a bunch of idiots, corporations who put short term profits ahead of long term stability....plenty of blame to go around. Which isn't to say that Bush and Obama haven't made mistakes - both have done things that haven't helped, or were completely ineffective. But to pin the blame on ANY president is intellectually dishonest.


I must agree with my esteemed fellow on his opinion
 
2012-06-14 09:41:48 AM
At what point does a house fire stop being the arsonist's fault? I mean, you can try to blame Obama for not putting it out fast enough, but that doesn't change how the whole mess started.
 
2012-06-14 09:42:50 AM
LOL! They greened it with the typo!
 
2012-06-14 09:43:53 AM

Edsel: At what point does a house fire stop being the arsonist's fault? I mean, you can try to blame Obama for not putting it out fast enough, but that doesn't change how the whole mess started.


Pfft. They want to hire the arsonists to put it out. And the arsonists are holding a can full of gas in one hand and matches in the other.
 
2012-06-14 09:43:59 AM
Considering most of the Romney team came from the Bush team, and Romney is campaigning on a return to Bush-era policies, yes, vote Obama.
 
2012-06-14 09:44:11 AM
Eight years.

Three years.

Eight years.

Three years.

Eight years.

Three years.

Anything yet?
Who am I kidding? I think we have plenty of evidence conservatives suck at math.
 
2012-06-14 09:44:47 AM
I heard that starting another war with a country where they have lots of available sun for solar panels would help kick start our economy. -Herman Cain
 
2012-06-14 09:45:40 AM

ginandbacon: LOL! They greened it with the typo!


In other news, today is a day that ends in -y.
 
2012-06-14 09:46:53 AM
Yeah, the people who want to shift the cost burden of all social services onto to the middle class and cut taxes for the rich are the ones that'll save us!
 
2012-06-14 09:47:19 AM

coeyagi: ginandbacon: LOL! They greened it with the typo!

In other news, today is a day that ends in -y.


'Tis indeed ;)
 
2012-06-14 09:47:24 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Cythraul: Really? Why did he/they reject them?

Doesn't the House (not the President) submit the Budget to the Senate, or am I thinking of Imagination Land?


The house has passed multiple budgets, the senate none. And yes, they have passed the presidential budget which is 0-98 the last two years in The senate. And to answer your question, the president submits a budget yearly. Please keep up on government basics.
 
2012-06-14 09:47:27 AM

Edsel: At what point does a house fire stop being the arsonist's fault? I mean, you can try to blame Obama for not putting it out fast enough, but that doesn't change how the whole mess started.


Now I'm confused. I thought the economy was a car.
 
2012-06-14 09:48:03 AM

ginandbacon: LOL! They greened it with the typo!


I guess you're being facetious? They probably intentionally greenlit typo'd headlines every so often just to get people to come in and make fun of it.
 
2012-06-14 09:48:03 AM
We are on the right path. Sorry it's not going fast enough for you, but I'm willing to wait a little longer and continue to see results than to start over with completely different policies and *hope* they don't screw up the positive trend we are on.
 
2012-06-14 09:49:10 AM
Bush's fault? Eh.

I put more of the blame on wall street than anyone.
 
2012-06-14 09:49:44 AM

Headso: Yeah, the people who want to shift the cost burden of all social services onto to the middle class and cut taxes for the rich are the ones that'll save us!


Indeed. So what happens if regulations are reduced and corporate tax rates drop and the top income tax rate drops and they STILL decide to be pussies and not invest / create jobs? Can Romney effectively blame Obama then?

Your thoughts.
 
2012-06-14 09:50:17 AM

Cythraul: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Cythraul: Really? Why did he/they reject them?

Doesn't the House (not the President) submit the Budget to the Senate, or am I thinking of Imagination Land?

Actually, now that I think about it again, I think you're right. My brain always wants to replace 'Senate' with 'Congress.' The president gives it to House, House tinkers with it and then sends it to Senate. I believe that's how it works. I'm not really in the mood to keep reading about it, though.


The President is required by law to submit a budget to Congress every year. Both Houses tinker with it and pass a concurrent budget resolution, which sets upper limits on the amount of spending. The House then uses that template to draft actual appropriations bills.
 
2012-06-14 09:50:35 AM
cdn1.gossipcenter.com

images.wikia.com



/all bushes fault
 
2012-06-14 09:50:36 AM

Weaver95: I don't blame Bush OR Obama for our current state of economic collapse. this mess was caused by a LOT of people: the banks, wall street, Congress being a bunch of idiots, corporations who put short term profits ahead of long term stability....plenty of blame to go around. Which isn't to say that Bush and Obama haven't made mistakes - both have done things that haven't helped, or were completely ineffective. But to pin the blame on ANY president is intellectually dishonest.


Generally, the party most responsible is conservative "deregulate at all costs" ideology, which presidents from both parties have effectuated in the last few decades. Starting with Nixon, and accelerating throughout the Republican revolution.
 
2012-06-14 09:51:04 AM

hurdboy: Cythraul: Found it. I can't imagine why the Senate would reject such reasonable budgetary measures introduced by the GOP. It's more of the same cut 'entitlements' and cut taxes on the wealthy BS they always propose.

Here ya go.


If I remember correctly, the WH budget proposal was dead on arrival and was in the process of being replaced (something that happens almost every year under every recent president). Traditionally, the budgets are tabled since they're being replaced. The Republicans have previously forced votes (which is not how we have previously handled this) for the sake of political theater.

The Hill had a few articles about this. Basically, the Republicans continue to force the vote so that it appears like no one will stand with our president.

I would link you but I'm on my phone. I did provide you with a source so that you can Google.
 
2012-06-14 09:51:31 AM

Weaver95: I don't blame Bush OR Obama for our current state of economic collapse. this mess was caused by a LOT of people: the banks, wall street, Congress being a bunch of idiots, corporations who put short term profits ahead of long term stability....plenty of blame to go around. Which isn't to say that Bush and Obama haven't made mistakes - both have done things that haven't helped, or were completely ineffective. But to pin the blame on ANY president is intellectually dishonest.


This

//a housing bubble based on no-doc loans where anyone who reviewed the loan would see the borrowers had no chance of repaying is not a presidents fault. Regulations can be called into question but that is another story.
 
2012-06-14 09:51:53 AM
History texts and economics texts will point to the Bush years as an example of FAIL for generations. It was truly that bad. The greatest economic collapse in 70 years. And, despite the Republicans' efforts to tank the economy solely to keep Obama a one-term president, it's getting better.

WHY ISN'T OBAMA FIXING THE MESS WE MADE FASTER? TRICKLE DOWN! LAFFER CURVE!

/party of personal responsibility, my ass. Man up, you Nancys. Accept some blame and work toward fixing the problem.
 
2012-06-14 09:51:57 AM
History doesn't have a statute of limitations, subby
 
2012-06-14 09:52:59 AM

hurdboy: Which is why the Harry Reid-led Senate has unanimously rejected the White House's last two budget proposals?


Probably because Ron Paul told them that constitutionally speaking, spending bills have to start in the House.
 
2012-06-14 09:53:01 AM
Right wingers f*cked shiat up. Bad.

You don't get to erase it.
 
2012-06-14 09:53:22 AM

bugontherug: Weaver95: I don't blame Bush OR Obama for our current state of economic collapse. this mess was caused by a LOT of people: the banks, wall street, Congress being a bunch of idiots, corporations who put short term profits ahead of long term stability....plenty of blame to go around. Which isn't to say that Bush and Obama haven't made mistakes - both have done things that haven't helped, or were completely ineffective. But to pin the blame on ANY president is intellectually dishonest.

Generally, the party most responsible is conservative "deregulate at all costs" ideology, which presidents from both parties have effectuated in the last few decades. Starting with Nixon, and accelerating throughout the Republican revolution.


To be clear, the collapse is best blamed on deregulation, which Republicans are about 60% responsible for. Our difficulties responding to the collapse are aggravated by the fiscal crisis, which Republicans are about 75% responsible for.
 
2012-06-14 09:53:23 AM

Cinaed: Bush's fault? Eh.

I put more of the blame on wall street than anyone.


Definitely. Bush's tax cuts and Bush's war had zero effect.
 
2012-06-14 09:53:38 AM

Cythraul: ginandbacon: LOL! They greened it with the typo!

I guess you're being facetious? They probably intentionally greenlit typo'd headlines every so often just to get people to come in and make fun of it.


They usually fix it if someone points it out. And delete the comment with something like "headline fixed."
 
2012-06-14 09:54:01 AM

monoski: a housing bubble based on no-doc loans where anyone who reviewed the loan would see the borrowers had no chance of repaying is not a presidents fault. Regulations can be called into question but that is another story.


Not to mention Bush warned of the impending crisis, and was called a racist for it by Barney Frank.
 
2012-06-14 09:54:03 AM
I'm a middle class person and I'm better off now than I have ever been before. Most middle class people that have 401K, or mutual funds, etc. should also be better off now than they were 3 years ago.
 
2012-06-14 09:54:05 AM

monoski: Weaver95: I don't blame Bush OR Obama for our current state of economic collapse. this mess was caused by a LOT of people: the banks, wall street, Congress being a bunch of idiots, corporations who put short term profits ahead of long term stability....plenty of blame to go around. Which isn't to say that Bush and Obama haven't made mistakes - both have done things that haven't helped, or were completely ineffective. But to pin the blame on ANY president is intellectually dishonest.

This

//a housing bubble based on no-doc loans where anyone who reviewed the loan would see the borrowers had no chance of repaying is not a presidents fault. Regulations can be called into question but that is another story.


Listen, two mishandled wars, one of which was completely unnecessary, and putting them both on the charge card instead of paying for it (the way it has always been done in the past) have a big role to play in our problems.
 
2012-06-14 09:54:18 AM
Subby would make sense if it weren't for the fact that the decline of the middle class predates Obama. It predates Bush for that matter.

Cythraul:

I have to say I don't feel like this is a point in Obama's favor. Politics is all about getting people to do what you want. Clinton had a Congress that hated him and he was able to play them effectively over and over. Sure this batch of Republicans is crazy and stupid and has demonstrably bad ideas but Obama still bears some responsibility for not getting things done.

Certainly someone who has good ideas and can't get them done is better than Romney who is clearly going to hurt the country with a complicit Congress. I would just rather we had someone who could more effectively play the politics necessary to get necessary things done.
 
2012-06-14 09:54:32 AM
Well, if there is one candidate who has the middle class' best interest in mind, it's Romney.


And by middle class, I mean people with several houses, each of which has a car elevator in it.
 
2012-06-14 09:54:59 AM

bugontherug: bugontherug: Weaver95: I don't blame Bush OR Obama for our current state of economic collapse. this mess was caused by a LOT of people: the banks, wall street, Congress being a bunch of idiots, corporations who put short term profits ahead of long term stability....plenty of blame to go around. Which isn't to say that Bush and Obama haven't made mistakes - both have done things that haven't helped, or were completely ineffective. But to pin the blame on ANY president is intellectually dishonest.

Generally, the party most responsible is conservative "deregulate at all costs" ideology, which presidents from both parties have effectuated in the last few decades. Starting with Nixon, and accelerating throughout the Republican revolution.

To be clear, the collapse is best blamed on deregulation, which Republicans are about 60% responsible for. Our difficulties responding to the collapse are aggravated by the fiscal crisis, which Republicans are about 75% responsible for.


Sorry, forgot to close the bold command there.
 
2012-06-14 09:55:00 AM

Wendy's Chili: Right wingers f*cked shiat up. Bad.

You don't get to erase it.


Bonus points if they scream 'Bu....but Bush! is all you LIBS got!!' and then turn around and blame current events on Carter.
 
Displayed 50 of 242 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report