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2012-06-14 10:59:33 AM
What is all this mess then?
 
2012-06-14 11:23:23 AM
Readers of the Economist tend to be informed, economically literate and educated.
 
2012-06-14 11:43:26 AM

Tigger: Readers of the Economist tend to be informed, economically literate and educated.


But not attractive or successful.
 
2012-06-14 11:43:32 AM
Gay?
 
2012-06-14 11:43:36 AM

Tigger: Readers of the Economist tend to be informed, economically literate and educated.


Elitists.
 
2012-06-14 11:43:39 AM

Tigger: Readers of the Economist tend to be informed, economically literate and educated.


That's why I'm putting my money on Romney.
 
2012-06-14 11:43:46 AM

Tigger: Readers of the Economist tend to be informed, economically literate and educated.


So, obviously they aren't representative of the typical American voter...
 
2012-06-14 11:45:18 AM
The readers of The Economist are probably more adept at parsing the Romney campaign's lies, and better equipped to understand the consequences of Romney's economic policies. So yeah, this:

Tigger: Readers of the Economist tend to be informed, economically literate and educated.

 
2012-06-14 11:45:25 AM
Readers of the Economist tend to be informed, economically literate and educated.

Submitter doesn't read The Economist, judging from his headline.
 
2012-06-14 11:45:39 AM
Astonishing that the link made less sense than the headline.
 
2012-06-14 11:45:48 AM
As a subscriber to the Economist, I resemble all of the above.

(Obama won't win by that much).
 
2012-06-14 11:46:58 AM
The Economist went to seed about 6 years ago.

They make too many typos and simple factual errors to be taken seriously anymore.

Really, really sad.

/The Week and CS Monitor is where the good reporting is these days
 
2012-06-14 11:47:37 AM

Tigger: Readers of the Economist tend to be informed, economically literate and educated.


Do the women readers have exposed clitorati?
 
2012-06-14 11:48:49 AM
Non-partisan hack economist know that the only thing keeping us from going belly up has been the rampant governmental spending whether they like it or not.
 
2012-06-14 11:49:30 AM
I would suspect that it doesn't take a lot of thinking to realize, no matter what you think of Obama's economic performance so far, Romney's ideas are insane and potentially disastrous.
 
2012-06-14 11:50:07 AM

beta_plus: The Economist went to seed about 6 years ago.

They make too many typos and simple factual errors to be taken seriously anymore.

Really, really sad.

/The Week and CS Monitor is where the good reporting is these days


The Week is like Fark without the jokes.
 
2012-06-14 11:51:20 AM

LasersHurt: I would suspect that it doesn't take a lot of thinking to realize, no matter what you think of Obama's economic performance so far, Romney's ideas are insane and potentially disastrous.


Well there's your problem, RINO! Less thinking, more faith.
 
2012-06-14 11:52:06 AM

cettin: (Obama won't win by that much).


this
 
2012-06-14 11:52:10 AM

cettin: (Obama won't win by that much).


In terms of the popular vote, probably not, it's rarely more than a five-point gap or so.

In terms of actual electors it's entirely possible, he was a bit over 2/3 in 2008 (it was 364 Obama to 173 McCain).

//As for why Economist readers like him, might have some correlation to the Economist liking him. People that respond to reader surveys are usually pretty heavily invested in a publication, which they probably wouldn't be if they didn't generally agree with it.
 
2012-06-14 11:52:35 AM

beta_plus: /The Week and CS Monitor is where the good reporting is these days


I really like CS Monitor. They can have a conservative tendency, while still ACTUALLY being "fair and balanced". They're Fox News with a shiat ton of integrity and talent. They also aren't afraid to call out the Morons on the Right for being morons.
 
2012-06-14 11:53:32 AM

jim32rr: Tigger: Readers of the Economist tend to be informed, economically literate and educated.

Do the women readers have exposed clitorati?


This is America, not Chyna.
 
2012-06-14 11:54:05 AM

beta_plus: The Economist went to seed about 6 years ago.

They make too many typos and simple factual errors to be taken seriously anymore.

Really, really sad.

/The Week and CS Monitor is where the good reporting is these days


It's called "all The ediotrs got fired and/or re-tired," and The Week and CS Monitor suffer from it just as badly as The Economist.
 
2012-06-14 11:58:09 AM
I know a Republican who hates the Economist because "it talks down to you."
 
2012-06-14 12:00:19 PM
Looked at website.
Didn't understand wtf was happening.
Stopped caring.

/hire a better designer
 
2012-06-14 12:00:31 PM
Is there supposed to be an article when I click on the link?

Can someone help me out here? I just see a poll and something about an active debate.
 
2012-06-14 12:02:21 PM

beta_plus: The Economist went to seed about 6 years ago.

They make too many typos and simple factual errors to be taken seriously anymore.

Really, really sad.

/The Week and CS Monitor isare where the good reporting is these days.


FTFY

/Irony?
 
2012-06-14 12:03:57 PM
You mean a magazine that caters to the financial and political elites would not be all too keen on a candidate who wants to minimize the rent-seeking power of financial and political elites? I'm shocked...

/ used to read The Economist
// too damn expensive to keep subscribing, even at the professional rate.
 
2012-06-14 12:05:04 PM

justtray: Is there supposed to be an article when I click on the link?

Can someone help me out here? I just see a poll and something about an active debate.


And some annoying ex-pat guy in the right rail posting as a bunch of different alts.
 
2012-06-14 12:05:07 PM
 
2012-06-14 12:05:35 PM

Rapmaster2000: I know a Republican who hates the Economist because "it talks down to you."


This isn't a "Republican" thing. Most people I know can't stand me because I am an insufferable boor. It doesn't matter their political affiliation.
 
2012-06-14 12:07:16 PM

vernonFL: Eeeeeeuuuuuwww! The Economist says! The Economist says! I read The Economist! Aren't I cool? Aren't you impressed with me?

What do you read? Time? Newsweek? Those are for people who can't handle a real news magazine like the one I read. That's because you're not as smart or sophisticated as me.

On weekends, I like to sit out on my porch in my wicker chair with my bifocals and my subscription copy of The Economist. Then, when I go to a professor's wine-and-cheese party later that night, I can casually mention all the fancy stuff I read about NASA and Venezuela and Gen. Pervez Musharraf in my fancy magazine and impress everybody.


I stopped subscribing to magazines before it was cool to stop subscribing to magazines.
 
2012-06-14 12:09:46 PM
Is this an open online poll? It sure seems like it is.
 
2012-06-14 12:10:19 PM
Because Romney has pledged to implement policies that would deal a death blow to not just the American economy, but the world economy.
 
2012-06-14 12:11:29 PM

Lucky LaRue: Rapmaster2000: I know a Republican who hates the Economist because "it talks down to you."

This isn't a "Republican" thing. Most people I know can't stand me because I am an insufferable boor. It doesn't matter their political affiliation.


Oh my GOD. SHUTUP you insufferable PRICK. Every DAY with this SH*T. Don't you ever get tired of hearing yourself talk? Listening to you is like listening to a recording of paint drying played back through a gramophone. Lord.


/ ;)
 
2012-06-14 12:12:22 PM

Jim_Callahan: cettin: (Obama won't win by that much).

In terms of the popular vote, probably not, it's rarely more than a five-point gap or so.

In terms of actual electors it's entirely possible, he was a bit over 2/3 in 2008 (it was 364 Obama to 173 McCain).

//As for why Economist readers like him, might have some correlation to the Economist liking him. People that respond to reader surveys are usually pretty heavily invested in a publication, which they probably wouldn't be if they didn't generally agree with it.


Generally agree with what you are saying. I don't think the Economist (or its readers) are particularly fond of Obama. From what I can glean, they are very, very adverse to uncertainty and can't put their finger on what Romney brings to the table. They know what they are getting with Obama.

Just my $.02
 
2012-06-14 12:13:46 PM

WombatControl: You mean a magazine that caters to the financial and political elites would not be all too keen on a candidate who wants to minimize the rent-seeking power of financial and political elites? I'm shocked...

/ used to read The Economist
// too damn expensive to keep subscribing, even at the professional rate.


pictures.mastermarf.com
 
2012-06-14 12:15:51 PM

Mikey1969: beta_plus: /The Week and CS Monitor is where the good reporting is these days

I really like CS Monitor. They can have a conservative tendency, while still ACTUALLY being "fair and balanced". They're Fox News with a shiat ton of integrity and talent. They also aren't afraid to call out the Morons on the Right for being morons.


I don't think most media outlets are necessarily "afraid" to call out right wing morons. It's just that there are only so many hours in a day. I mean, when a full 50% of the participants in out political process spend all day saying dangerously insane shiat, you have to say "fark it," when it comes to addressing their crazy or you'll never get anything else done.
 
2012-06-14 12:16:58 PM

Tigger: Readers of the Economist tend to be informed, economically literate and educated.


And yet Michael Barone.
 
2012-06-14 12:17:29 PM

Lucky LaRue: Rapmaster2000: I know a Republican who hates the Economist because "it talks down to you."

This isn't a "Republican" thing. Most people I know can't stand me because I am an insufferable boor. It doesn't matter their political affiliation.


I don't have that problem because I'm better than everyone else. No one can talk down to me. Do you hear me! No one!
 
2012-06-14 12:20:03 PM
The question the article posed was whether he deserved to be re-elected. That's a different question from who should be president, Obama or Romney.

Do I think Obama should be president over Romney? Yes.

Do I think he deserves a second term? No

Maybe if he had reinstated Glass-Steagle, put forth legislation to regulate Credit Default Swaps or had proposed breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks then I would feel differently.

As it is, as the first Democrat president in 8 years, what does he do? He implements the Republican health care plan.

Fark you, Obama.
 
2012-06-14 12:25:25 PM

smimmy: The question the article posed was whether he deserved to be re-elected. That's a different question from who should be president, Obama or Romney.

Do I think Obama should be president over Romney? Yes.

Do I think he deserves a second term? No

Maybe if he had reinstated Glass-Steagle, put forth legislation to regulate Credit Default Swaps or had proposed breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks then I would feel differently.

As it is, as the first Democrat president in 8 years, what does he do? He implements the Republican health care plan.

Fark you, Obama.


But he's a far left socialist. Hannity said so, and Glenn Beck!
 
2012-06-14 12:27:48 PM

smimmy: The question the article posed was whether he deserved to be re-elected. That's a different question from who should be president, Obama or Romney.

Do I think Obama should be president over Romney? Yes.

Do I think he deserves a second term? No

Maybe if he had reinstated Glass-Steagle, put forth legislation to regulate Credit Default Swaps or had proposed breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks then I would feel differently.

As it is, as the first Democrat president in 8 years, what does he do? He implements the Republican health care plan.

Fark you, Obama.


Talk to Congress, who won't pass a reinstatement of Glass-Steagall. Talk to Congress, who watered down the financial reform bill and prevents any legislative effort to regulate Credit Default Swaps. Talk to Congress, where Congressional Democrats torpedoed any discussion of the public option during the health care reform debate, leaving the individual mandate as the only possible way.

Don't like what Obama's done? Get more actual Democrats elected to Congress.
 
2012-06-14 12:31:05 PM

smimmy: The question the article posed was whether he deserved to be re-elected. That's a different question from who should be president, Obama or Romney.

Do I think Obama should be president over Romney? Yes.

Do I think he deserves a second term? No

Maybe if he had reinstated Glass-Steagle, put forth legislation to regulate Credit Default Swaps or had proposed breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks then I would feel differently.

As it is, as the first Democrat president in 8 years, what does he do? He implements the Republican health care plan.

Fark you, Obama.


0/10. Using the word "Democrat" instead of "Democratic" gives you away. It's like if I were to use "Douchebag" instead of "Republican."
 
2012-06-14 12:32:55 PM

qorkfiend: smimmy: The question the article posed was whether he deserved to be re-elected. That's a different question from who should be president, Obama or Romney.

Do I think Obama should be president over Romney? Yes.

Do I think he deserves a second term? No

Maybe if he had reinstated Glass-Steagle, put forth legislation to regulate Credit Default Swaps or had proposed breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks then I would feel differently.

As it is, as the first Democrat president in 8 years, what does he do? He implements the Republican health care plan.

Fark you, Obama.

Talk to Congress, who won't pass a reinstatement of Glass-Steagall. Talk to Congress, who watered down the financial reform bill and prevents any legislative effort to regulate Credit Default Swaps. Talk to Congress, where Congressional Democrats torpedoed any discussion of the public option during the health care reform debate, leaving the individual mandate as the only possible way.

Don't like what Obama's done? Get more actual Democrats elected to Congress.


Those are actual democrats.

This is the strength and weakness of the democratic party, they have an actual diversity of opinions, beliefs, and backgrounds, instead of a bunch of doughy old white guys competing to be the stupidest. The unfortunate side of that is that they don't present a united front on many issues, which makes the legislative process somewhat difficult. The answer isn't to purge the moderates like the GOP has done.
 
2012-06-14 12:35:36 PM

qorkfiend: smimmy: The question the article posed was whether he deserved to be re-elected. That's a different question from who should be president, Obama or Romney.

Do I think Obama should be president over Romney? Yes.

Do I think he deserves a second term? No

Maybe if he had reinstated Glass-Steagle, put forth legislation to regulate Credit Default Swaps or had proposed breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks then I would feel differently.

As it is, as the first Democrat president in 8 years, what does he do? He implements the Republican health care plan.

Fark you, Obama.

Talk to Congress, who won't pass a reinstatement of Glass-Steagall. Talk to Congress, who watered down the financial reform bill and prevents any legislative effort to regulate Credit Default Swaps. Talk to Congress, where Congressional Democrats torpedoed any discussion of the public option during the health care reform debate, leaving the individual mandate as the only possible way.

Don't like what Obama's done? Get more actual Democrats elected to Congress.


That was mostly the Senate's doing. The House may or may not have had enough Democratic votes to pass the public option in the House, but it was DOA at the Senate. The Democratic Senate sucks balls and will always suck balls because of the 60 vote majority needed and the number of red states, meaning any Democratic Senators from red states will be moderate liberals at best and moderate conservatives at worst. Meaning no public option unless all other options are off the table.

Our country is FUBAR.
 
2012-06-14 12:37:02 PM
I wonder if this election will break The Economist's streak of endorsing the candidate who is of the opposite party of the current office holder.

Obama 2008
Kerry 2004
Bush 2000
Dole 1996
Clinton 1992
 
2012-06-14 12:37:38 PM
Maybe if he had reinstated Glass-Steagle, put forth legislation to regulate Credit Default Swaps or had proposed breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks then I would feel differently

one of candidate Jon Huntsman's distictives was that he was the only one discussing breaking up banks. Libs thought enhanced supervision alone was practical and sufficient (it's neither) and Conservatives were adverse to any intervention. With how quickly Huntsman endorsed Romney, it may be that Mitt also wants to break up the banks but is afraid to say so.
 
2012-06-14 12:40:08 PM

Poopspasm: qorkfiend: smimmy: The question the article posed was whether he deserved to be re-elected. That's a different question from who should be president, Obama or Romney.

Do I think Obama should be president over Romney? Yes.

Do I think he deserves a second term? No

Maybe if he had reinstated Glass-Steagle, put forth legislation to regulate Credit Default Swaps or had proposed breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks then I would feel differently.

As it is, as the first Democrat president in 8 years, what does he do? He implements the Republican health care plan.

Fark you, Obama.

Talk to Congress, who won't pass a reinstatement of Glass-Steagall. Talk to Congress, who watered down the financial reform bill and prevents any legislative effort to regulate Credit Default Swaps. Talk to Congress, where Congressional Democrats torpedoed any discussion of the public option during the health care reform debate, leaving the individual mandate as the only possible way.

Don't like what Obama's done? Get more actual Democrats elected to Congress.

Those are actual democrats.

This is the strength and weakness of the democratic party, they have an actual diversity of opinions, beliefs, and backgrounds, instead of a bunch of doughy old white guys competing to be the stupidest. The unfortunate side of that is that they don't present a united front on many issues, which makes the legislative process somewhat difficult. The answer isn't to purge the moderates like the GOP has done.


Fair point. I should have said "get more liberal Democrats elected to Congress".
 
2012-06-14 12:44:15 PM

smimmy: The question the article posed was whether he deserved to be re-elected. That's a different question from who should be president, Obama or Romney.

Do I think Obama should be president over Romney? Yes.

Do I think he deserves a second term? No

Maybe if he had reinstated Glass-Steagle, put forth legislation to regulate Credit Default Swaps or had proposed breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks then I would feel differently.

As it is, as the first Democrat president in 8 years, what does he do? He implements the Republican health care plan.

Fark you, Obama.


What the fark, I'll defend Obama a little bit:

1.) Reinstating Glass-Stegall would be monumentally stupid - because it had nothing to do with the crisis. In fact, it was the repeal of Glass-Steagall that helped the country get through the crisis - if the combined banks hadn't been able to backstop their losses with other assets they would have failed catastrophically.

2.) There are bills to regulate credit default swaps being proposed - but doing it right takes time. For one, the biggest problem with the CDS market pre-crash was that the risk exposure was totally unknown - now the players are aware of the risk, and the CDS markets are nowhere near as free-wheeling as they were prior to the crash.

3.) The problem with breaking up the banks is how the hell you do it without making the already-unstable financial market worse. Now, Obama is definitely in the pocket of the big banks, so it's unlikely he'd be for breaking them up. But even if he weren't, how do you do it? Breaking up AT&T was hard enough - trying to reform the entire U.S. financial system would be a hugely risk endeavor.

If you wanted to do it right, you'd remove the implicit guaratees that let the banks grow that big - shift the playing field that benefits the huge financial players. But you can't do that by adding regulation, you have to eliminate rent-seeking regulations that benefit the huge players. But if you do that, the big banks will complain that you're "deregulating" the industry which will hurt consumers - even though what's really being done is taking away regulations that only benefit the biggest banks.

That's why regulatory reform is so hard - the entrenched powers control the system, and if you try to regulate away their powers they can use their political pull to stop you.
 
2012-06-14 12:45:00 PM
If there is one thing that I have learned about online polls is that if there was an option to choose RON PAUL I am guessing the score would be 70% RON PAUL, 20 yes reelect, 10 no.
 
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