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2012-06-14 10:46:30 AM  
I don't care if the rest of his movies were garbage (key word is "if," not saying they are), Dogma was awesome. I'd forgive anybody for pretty much anything if they made Dogma.
 
2012-06-14 10:47:01 AM  
Well, that was a painful read all around.
 
2012-06-14 10:48:38 AM  
It leads to writing a bland blog entry about Kevin Smith's films?
 
2012-06-14 10:51:13 AM  

mesmer242: Well, that was a painful read all around.


My thoughts exactly.
 
2012-06-14 10:51:57 AM  

Tremolo: I don't care if the rest of his movies were garbage (key word is "if," not saying they are), Dogma was awesome. I'd forgive anybody for pretty much anything if they made Dogma.


Dogma was the first movie i ever bought on VHS.

and is the only movie i still have on VHS.

wolfshadesblog.files.wordpress.com

Smith's style has always been hit or miss for the general public, but his fans know that. And they appreciate it.
 
2012-06-14 10:55:28 AM  
In order:

Mallrats
Clerks
Dogma
ZAMMAP
Clerks II
JASBSB
Chasing Amy
Cop Out (farking terrible)
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Jersey Girl - haven't seen, and probably wont
Red State - Haven't seen, but heard it sucked
 
2012-06-14 10:56:22 AM  
15. Hey, what is that movie?
16. Wow this movie is hilarious
17. Wow, these movies are hilarious
18. Kevin Smith is awesome!
19. I'm going to watch some other movies
22. Wow, these movies are shiat.
 
2012-06-14 11:07:46 AM  
Why did this bland garbage get greened? Oh yeah, arguing about Kevin Smith gets clicks here.
 
2012-06-14 11:09:20 AM  
I sort of feel the same way. Smith was God to me. Even loved his writing comics.
But somewhere around Jersey Girl, I started to see the pattern.
It's like Arny saying "I'll be back." or Bay shooting the military in slow motion like soft core porn.
I saw what he was doing as a director and as time went on, I just didn't care anymore. I'm sure he's a nice guy and he killed me back in 2007 at SDCC during a Q&A session, but it's like the friend you call to see a movie when all you're other friends are busy.
I just don't see where we have the same thing in common anymore. I even work in a comic book store and think that "Comic Book Men" show was atrocious. I'd rather watch that Paul Rieser reality show on a 24 hour marathon of his only 2 episodes then watch 5 minutes of that poorly written not-really-reality-comic-book-shop-show.
"Oh, I happen to have a Action #1 I found in my basement."
I think it's when he started to lose weight or talk about it so much. He seemed a little whiny. And blaming that airline didn't help either. Cop Out was not good and Red State doesn't appeal to me at all.
I'd see his stuff again, but mainly because I have a small attention span.
/wait, what was I saying?
 
2012-06-14 11:16:25 AM  
Regardless of what you think of his movies, his Q&A DVDs are always a fun watch.
 
2012-06-14 11:17:02 AM  
I was a video store and 7-Eleven clerk in North Jersey in the late 80s'-1991, so when Clerks came out when I was in the Marines it was salve.
 
2012-06-14 11:18:13 AM  

Dogfacedgod: Red State - Haven't seen, but heard it sucked


Red State is quite good. Serious departure from the usual Smith film (the camera moves!) and well written. Very creepy film.

And Michael Parks just blows everyone out of the water in his performance as the Fred Phelps like pastor.
 
2012-06-14 11:24:28 AM  
I knew he was big, but I didn't realize he had his own gravitational pull. What's the population on Kevin Smith?
Do the residents on his left nipple get along with the residents on his right nipple? What's the mortality rate of people who venture toward his nether regions? This article doesn't answer anything at all.
 
2012-06-14 11:27:11 AM  
Wow - I like Kevin Smith movies. How is it I never heard of Cop Out or Red State. (Both look terrible though, I probably won't watch them)
 
2012-06-14 11:32:13 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: What's the mortality rate of people who venture toward his nether regions?


Pretty high, although sadly it doesn't stop a lot of them from doing it anyway. See, there's an acute medical problem among the population of Kevin Smith; one which causes people to aimlessly wander toward the Forbidden Zone in a bizarre fugue state, usually accompanied by acute atrophy of facial tissue. In fact, 75% of all medical research on Kevin Smith is devoted to curing Schwalbach Syndrome.
 
2012-06-14 11:33:05 AM  
Red State is not a bad movie, by any use of the word. Red State was the equivalent of Documentary piece. Except told from the perspective of Horny Teenagers, not smart enough to realize what was going on, in their surroundings. I didn't find it enjoyable, but i was an eye opening movie. While it was an act of fiction, it makes you wonder when something like that will happen with at Westboro Insane Asylum.
 
2012-06-14 11:34:49 AM  

kukukupo: Wow - I like Kevin Smith movies. How is it I never heard of Cop Out or Red State. (Both look terrible though, I probably won't watch them)


Cop Out doesn't have the Kevin Smith signature dialog and camera work, but it's not nearly as bad as people say. Watch it, but don't spend any money on it.
I remember hearing but am too lazy to look it up - but I think Smith had a hair across his ass against the producers or the studio while filming it.
 
2012-06-14 11:37:17 AM  

kukukupo: Wow - I like Kevin Smith movies. How is it I never heard of Cop Out or Red State. (Both look terrible though, I probably won't watch them)


Cop Out was terrible, Red State was decent. He made the latter out to sound like it was Oscar-worthy, but it isn't. It's very, very different from his other work which is a good thing, but it isn't amazing. It's a good watch, and not much else.

Michael Parks is the highlight, by far.
 
2012-06-14 11:38:10 AM  

Spaced Lion: Nana's Vibrator: What's the mortality rate of people who venture toward his nether regions?

Pretty high, although sadly it doesn't stop a lot of them from doing it anyway. See, there's an acute medical problem among the population of Kevin Smith; one which causes people to aimlessly wander toward the Forbidden Zone in a bizarre fugue state, usually accompanied by acute atrophy of facial tissue. In fact, 75% of all medical research on Kevin Smith is devoted to curing Schwalbach Syndrome.


I lol'ed. I laughing now.
 
2012-06-14 11:38:20 AM  
I made it through about 30 seconds of Cop Out.
 
2012-06-14 11:38:52 AM  

bulsd: Red State is not a bad movie, by any use of the word. Red State was the equivalent of Documentary piece. Except told from the perspective of Horny Teenagers, not smart enough to realize what was going on, in their surroundings. I didn't find it enjoyable, but i was an eye opening movie. While it was an act of fiction, it makes you wonder when something like that will happen with at Westboro Insane Asylum.


I'm not really sure how to interpret your post. Red State is probably the stupidest thing I've seen in a long time, and much like Kevin Smith, it think it's funnier and more well informed than it in fact is.
 
2012-06-14 11:40:54 AM  

Tremolo: I don't care if the rest of his movies were garbage (key word is "if," not saying they are), Dogma was awesome. I'd forgive anybody for pretty much anything if they made Dogma.


Came here to say this. Still laugh out loud every time I watch Dogma.
 
2012-06-14 11:42:31 AM  
YOU DIDN'T SAY GOD BLESS YOU WHEN I SNEEZED
 
2012-06-14 11:45:21 AM  
This article is an example of why MOST 24 year olds shouldn't consider themselves journalists. If a disclaimer was included to say that this was a junior high writing project, I wouldn't have been the least bit surprised.

The original Clerks is Smith's only great movie. "Great" is surely an overstatement, but it was/is pretty remarkable for being what is essentially a zero-budget student film.
 
2012-06-14 11:45:33 AM  

StinkyFiddlewinks: I made it through about 30 seconds of Cop Out.


i didn't see it but how do you fark up a Bruce Willis cop movie?

Anyway, I like Jersey movies (except Jersey Girl) and his podcasts are funny, if a bit repetitive.

/hopes for his sake he doesn't read this thread, he doesn't take criticism well
 
2012-06-14 11:45:38 AM  
The general consensus is that Red State was some of his best work since Dogma, and ironically, the least Kevin Smithy movie that he's made. Returning to his indie DIY roots was fascinating to follow as well. It made all of it's money back just from his bus tour. After that, it was all profit.
 
2012-06-14 11:47:15 AM  
Smith has really turned out garbage since Dogma, but I think it's safe to say he grew up on the same early 90's I did, in Clerks. And that's why there's a whole generation of 30-somethings that really vibe with that movie... I didn't grow up on him... he grew up on us. We didn't land on Plymouth Rock, it landed on us.
 
2012-06-14 11:53:05 AM  

Mugato: i didn't see it but how do you fark up a Bruce Willis cop movie?


The answer is in the sentence itself.
 
2012-06-14 11:53:47 AM  
Geeaaarrr?
 
2012-06-14 12:01:34 PM  
Kevin Smith's strength is as a writer, not as a director, which is why Cop Out, which he didn't write, sucked. I know he had trouble with the producers because he wanted to work on the script and they said no.

Except for Jersey Girl, I've liked Kevin's movies. Some are better than others of course--Red State was a hard watch for me--but overall he's put in a good body of work. Plus he's one of the funniest storytellers ever.
 
2012-06-14 12:04:23 PM  
Um this guy is a dick... Red State is one of his best films

/seriously
 
2012-06-14 12:09:11 PM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: Smith has really turned out garbage since Dogma, but I think it's safe to say he grew up on the same early 90's I did, in Clerks. And that's why there's a whole generation of 30-somethings that really vibe with that movie... I didn't grow up on him... he grew up on us. We didn't land on Plymouth Rock, it landed on us.


I would say he didn't grow up at all. I mean Clerks was amazing back when I was 19 and saw it, and I loved his movies when I was in University. But Clerks 2 when I was 30 seemed like my life had changed so much since I saw the original clerks but he was doing the exact same thing. I mean Clerks 2 seemed like it was written off a check list of the things he needed to include in a movie he thought his fans would want to see. I saw Dogma in the theaters opening night. A few years later while in my mid-20's on a road trip to NYC a freind and I spend a day in Red Bank checking out the Kevin Smith related sites. But into my 30's I didn't see Clerks 2 until it was out on video, and I didn't see Zack and Miri until it came on basic cable.
 
2012-06-14 12:13:04 PM  
Kevin Smith sucks. Except for Clerks
 
2012-06-14 12:20:56 PM  
Wow, I'm surprised to see all of the white-knighting for Red State here. As a longtime Smith fan, I hated every farking second of that movie. I know that he was trying to stretch himself creatively, which I admire, but outside of Michael Parks' undeniably awesome performance it's a completely directionless movie. "Hey, let's (SPOILERS, I guess) cut away from the climax of the movie to have talking heads condescendingly explain the point of the movie for ten minutes." Ugh.

Like others in this thread, I'm surprised at how my feelings towards his movies have changed over the years. Mallrats was my introduction to the guy and a movie that I quoted practically nonstop for years, but it's absolutely terrible in retrospect- horribly paced, poorly acted (Affleck and Jason Lee aside), and shot by someone that had apparently just discovered the medium. Clerks, Dogma, Chasing Amy, and Clerks 2, however, are still surprisingly good, with Dogma and Chasing Amy possibly being even better the second time that I saw them.
 
2012-06-14 12:34:30 PM  
Aside from J-Lo, I thought Jersey Girl was pretty good. It suffered from Bennifer fatigue, but it was a pleasant funny heartwarming movie.
 
2012-06-14 12:38:40 PM  
Kevin Smith movies I've enjoyed

Clerks
Dogma
J&SBSB
Jersey Girl
Chasing Amy
Red State

Kevin Smith movies I didn't like

Kevin Smith movies tha wer meh

Clerks 2
Mallrats

Kevin Smith movies I haven't seen

Cop Out
Zach & Miri
 
2012-06-14 12:43:44 PM  
Clecks... well, I was a clerk back when it came out. All the Stoenr Jay and Silent Bob stuff, yep, was a stoner back then. So I always enjoyed Smiths work. Even Red State. Completely different, but as grown up as I am now.
 
2012-06-14 01:10:22 PM  
There are better directors out there. But you watch his movies because they give you something to think about.
 
2012-06-14 01:44:16 PM  
IMO

Great films: Clerks I, Clerks II, Dogma, Chasing Amy

Films that were funny, but which I have no urge to see again: Mallrats, ZAMMAP, JASBSB

Red State was a decent film with some great performances, but it wasn't nearly as interesting or subversive as it thought it was.

I never saw Cop Out or Jersey Girl, but it doesn't sound like I'm missing out on much.
 
2012-06-14 02:12:41 PM  
FTFA on Chasing Amy: It's got pervasive comic book humor, lots of sex jokes, lesbians, and a rather humorous climax.

You call that climax humorous? Seriously?

/Still don't know what a nubian is.
 
2012-06-14 02:33:14 PM  
I liked Clerks a lot too when it came out but aside from the soundtrack, it'd be a youtube video nowadays. He was really in the right place at the right time.
 
2012-06-14 02:51:55 PM  
I saw Clerks II the first weekend it was out in theaters. I still enjoy the hell out of it, perhaps for nostalgic reasons. 2006 was really the last year I went to the theater a ton, I saw Clerks II, Hot Fuzz, and the Departed during that first summer out of high school.

Cop Out was only bearable on Blu-Ray with the Maximum Movie Mode thingy. Kev really is a great storyteller, regardless of what some think. His new book Tough shiat is a great listen if you get the audio version.
 
2012-06-14 02:59:23 PM  

Allansfirebird: I saw Clerks II the first weekend it was out in theaters. I still enjoy the hell out of it, perhaps for nostalgic reasons. 2006 was really the last year I went to the theater a ton, I saw Clerks II, Hot Fuzz, and the Departed during that first summer out of high school.

Cop Out was only bearable on Blu-Ray with the Maximum Movie Mode thingy. Kev really is a great storyteller, regardless of what some think. His new book Tough shiat is a great listen if you get the audio version.


The fidelity is so good you can tell what he's eating in each chapter.
 
2012-06-14 02:59:25 PM  
Really didn't like Red State, I thought it could have been much more than it was. It tried so hard to be Burn After Reading at the end and completely failed.
 
2012-06-14 03:14:06 PM  
Haven't seen many of his movies, but love him from his Q&As and the SModcast podcast. This speech is particularly excellent (and NSFW).
 
2012-06-14 03:35:19 PM  
I actually enjoyed Red State. When they got to the interview toward the end I was laughing pretty hard.

Clerks and Clerks 2 are two of my favorite movies. Dogma is pretty high up there on my top movie list as well. The rest of his movies.....meh
 
2012-06-14 03:38:51 PM  

Tremolo: Dogma was awesome. I'd forgive anybody for pretty much anything if they made Dogma


No movie with Alan Rickman can be totally bad. The man's a national treasure. Even if he is British.
 
2012-06-14 04:59:34 PM  
Chasing Amy is still one of my favorites and for me, maybe a little above Dogma. The entire first hour of the movie I still laugh my ass off. The guy that wrote this sounds a little young and maybe a tad uncomfortable with LGBT lifestyles.

I'm a Smith fan, watched almost all his films, and even i thought JSBSB was a mess. He thought it was the best thing since sliced bread because it was all about J&SB. Now, really, if that movie was one of his pinnacles of the collection and he's looking down on performances like Lee's Banky in CA, his priorities are screwed.
 
2012-06-14 05:20:39 PM  
FTFA: What I do know for sure is that while growing up, the View Askewniverse was as much a part of me as pineapple calzones, Hawaiian shirts, and an inflated ego.

www.nastyhobbit.org
 
2012-06-14 05:33:12 PM  

FunkyBlue: I'm a Smith fan, watched almost all his films, and even i thought JSBSB was a mess


It came off as really angry. Like an entire movie based on internet geeks criticizing his work, culminating in Jay and Bob kicking all their asses. Except, Smith does the same thing as the internet geeks he's so pissed at. But Mark Hamill was cool.
 
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