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(Ottawa Citizen)   50-year-old John foils teen prostitution ring. "For me to give up Ralph Lauren, you know that I was passionate about making sure this girl was okay"   (ottawacitizen.com) divider line 87
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2012-06-14 12:14:39 PM  
Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us, ya jerk!
 
2012-06-14 12:45:03 PM  
"I would be in bed at 11 and neither of them would be home," the neighbour said. "There was a lot of coming

I'm sure there was.

WTF kind of blackmail leverage did the ringleaders have to force other kids into this?
 
2012-06-14 12:45:25 PM  
Just wanted companionship? He's a sick fark
 
2012-06-14 12:45:38 PM  
What a dick

I like how just this one time he decided not to f*ck the prostitute he bought. Good job perv
 
2012-06-14 12:46:34 PM  

doubled99: Just wanted companionship? He's a sick fark


So you're saying that's the wrong way?
 
2012-06-14 12:46:39 PM  
A third suspect, 17, is still wanted by police.

And several male farkers, giggity.
 
2012-06-14 12:46:54 PM  
Is Ralph Lauren some kind of euphemism?
 
2012-06-14 12:46:54 PM  
 
2012-06-14 12:47:33 PM  
"the girl was crying. She was shaking profusely"

Sounds like a typical lovemaking session for me. What's the problem?
 
2012-06-14 12:48:23 PM  
Nice use of the hero tag though.
 
2012-06-14 12:49:02 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: What a dick

I like how just this one time he decided not to f*ck the prostitute he bought. Good job perv


Prostitution is more of a rental type deal.
 
2012-06-14 12:49:44 PM  
As a word of advice, even when the 17 year old escort says she doesn't want you to call the police, you should call the police. The fact that she is a minor and already got herself in this situation means her decision making is kind of suspect.
 
2012-06-14 12:50:11 PM  
You talkin' to me?
 
2012-06-14 12:50:56 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Prostitution is more of a rental type deal.


I........but.........good point
 
2012-06-14 12:51:17 PM  

Mildot: Parents find and Kill Pimp controling their 17 year old daughter.

Should be given Parent of the Year Award!!!


From the Article:
Prosecutors, however, say that when Barry Gilton and his longtime girlfriend, Lupe Mercado, couldn't get their 17-year-old daughter back through legitimate means, they turned to premeditated murder.

So the prosecutors even admit the guy was controlling her and the family needed to "get her back". I guess the prosecutors aren't trying all that hard to score a conviction on this one.
 
2012-06-14 12:51:41 PM  

GypsyJoker: "I would be in bed at 11 and neither of them would be home," the neighbour said. "There was a lot of coming

I'm sure there was.

WTF kind of blackmail leverage did the ringleaders have to force other kids into this?


Maybe the fact that they are prostitutes... Do it once for full pay and then they blackmail you into lower and lower rates.
 
2012-06-14 12:53:28 PM  
What is it with Canadian girls victimizing other girls?

images.ctv.ca

/Hot as the place she should be burning in
 
2012-06-14 12:54:00 PM  
When I was 17 there was this really beautiful girl I had a terrible crush going with. We went out a couple times and she was fun to hang out with, she was 15 when we met. She started hanging out with a couple of the hoodlum/raver type chicks and somehow, she went from being this really cute, smart-as-hell funny girl to being this sullen, nasty stuckup little biatch in the space of about 3 months.

I only found out later that the other girls had talked her into going downtown with them to blow fat old men to pay for their Rave and concert habits.

Sigh.

I'll never figure that out.
 
2012-06-14 12:55:44 PM  

Deathfrogg: When I was 17 there was this really beautiful girl I had a terrible crush going with. We went out a couple times and she was fun to hang out with, she was 15 when we met. She started hanging out with a couple of the hoodlum/raver type chicks and somehow, she went from being this really cute, smart-as-hell funny girl to being this sullen, nasty stuckup little biatch in the space of about 3 months.

I only found out later that the other girls had talked her into going downtown with them to blow fat old men to pay for their Rave and concert habits.

Sigh.

I'll never figure that out.


What's to figure out? You couldn't seal the deal with the town slut.
 
2012-06-14 12:58:51 PM  

Deathfrogg: When I was 17 there was this really beautiful girl I had a terrible crush going with. We went out a couple times and she was fun to hang out with, she was 15 when we met. She started hanging out with a couple of the hoodlum/raver type chicks and somehow, she went from being this really cute, smart-as-hell funny girl to being this sullen, nasty stuckup little biatch in the space of about 3 months.

I only found out later that the other girls had talked her into going downtown with them to blow fat old men to pay for their Rave and concert habits.

Sigh.

I'll never figure that out.


Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
 
2012-06-14 12:59:08 PM  
Kudos for the swift action in a bad situation, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a john. That girl and others like her would never show up at strangers' doors if there weren't asshats willing to overlook the well established fact that the sex trade (regardless of its legality in whatever province/state/country/whatever) exploits women. My guess is that if the girl had not been in distress, he would have hititliketheangryfistofgod'd her even if (especially if) he knew or suspected that she was underage.

/No high opinion of johns
//Lower opinion of people who don't think it's a problem except when it affects their property values
 
2012-06-14 12:59:57 PM  

doubled99: Just wanted companionship? He's a sick fark


Charley Bowdre would disagree.
 
2012-06-14 01:00:40 PM  
"I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave".
 
Skr
2012-06-14 01:01:58 PM  
"she came to his home to listen to music and eat pizza."

pretty romantic stuff right there, pity it went all human trafficy.

first the music
then the pizza
And after the pizza, the oral sex.
oral sex oral sex
 
2012-06-14 01:02:25 PM  

doubled99: Just wanted companionship? He's a sick fark


He's 50 and alone. Paying for it frees up his days for fantasy baseball.

Also, prostitution is legal in Canada...if the prostitute is over 18. The more you know.comicscomicsmag.com
 
2012-06-14 01:02:53 PM  

tillerman35: Kudos for the swift action in a bad situation, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a john. That girl and others like her would never show up at strangers' doors if there weren't asshats willing to overlook the well established fact that the sex trade (regardless of its legality in whatever province/state/country/whatever) exploits women. My guess is that if the girl had not been in distress, he would have hititliketheangryfistofgod'd her even if (especially if) he knew or suspected that she was underage.

/No high opinion of johns
//Lower opinion of people who don't think it's a problem except when it affects their property values


The biggest problem is prostitution being illegal.
 
2012-06-14 01:03:10 PM  

tillerman35: Kudos for the swift action in a bad situation, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a john. That girl and others like her would never show up at strangers' doors if there weren't asshats willing to overlook the well established fact that the sex trade (regardless of its legality in whatever province/state/country/whatever) exploits women. My guess is that if the girl had not been in distress, he would have hititliketheangryfistofgod'd her even if (especially if) he knew or suspected that she was underage.

/No high opinion of johns
//Lower opinion of people who don't think it's a problem except when it affects their property values


Turning the thread into an argument about legality of prostitution, eh? Well, I know I feel safe and free in a country where I don't have the right to sell my own farking body.
 
2012-06-14 01:03:16 PM  
Good on this guy for doing the right thing and shame on any other guys who just slept with the girl and didn't care to question her age.

I'll admit that the guys initial story does seem a bit seedy. How he met the original girl (who seems to have been one of the main 'pimps') on Craigslist and just let her hang out at his place. The article also seems to suggest that she may have been underage too and although he did ask for ID, I wonder if he still had his doubts but decided to overlook that since she seemed in control. But he did the right thing in the end and hopefully has made a difference for the better.

Anyone legit and looking too pay for sex should seriously just make themselves stick to a '25 or older' rule and if the girl looks any younger than 25 just say no. I get that it can be difficult judge a girls age when they are young and a 16 year old can look like a 20 year old. But no way is an underage girl going to easily pass for 25+.

Of course, this is all probably a moot point since the majority of people involved in this kind of stuff are probably going for young looking girls because they secretly want them to be underage.
 
2012-06-14 01:05:50 PM  
So, I had this little girl at my house, you know...eating pizza and watching movies....

Then she shows up at his door later with more little girls....THE HORROR!

I guarantee this is what happened, when that girl started crying and talking about being forced to come over, he had an epiphany that he was in fact a perv and this girl was going to spill the beans on the whole operation unless he made the first move to come out looking like a "hero".
 
2012-06-14 01:09:09 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Tat'dGreaser: What a dick

I like how just this one time he decided not to f*ck the prostitute he bought. Good job perv

Prostitution is more of a rental type deal.


So then dating is like a lease, and marriage is just outright purchase?
 
2012-06-14 01:10:47 PM  

MadMonk: So, I had this little girl at my house, you know...eating pizza and watching movies....

Then she shows up at his door later with more little girls....THE HORROR!

I guarantee this is what happened, when that girl started crying and talking about being forced to come over, he had an epiphany that he was in fact a perv and this girl was going to spill the beans on the whole operation unless he made the first move to come out looking like a "hero".


Actually prostitution is legal in Canada so there's no need for this forced, underage crap. He was probably very surprised that the girl wasn't doing this voluntarily.
 
2012-06-14 01:11:41 PM  
Americans in this thread, put down the Bible and the Constitution and the teabags.

This happened in Canada. Prostitution is legal here.

What's illegal is being a violent pimp of any age. The story here is underage female pimps whoring out their peers.

I picture one of them strongly resembling Joan Jett in the '70s.
 
2012-06-14 01:17:52 PM  

Valiente: Americans in this thread, put down the Bible and the Constitution and the teabags.

This happened in Canada. Prostitution is legal here.

What's illegal is being a violent pimp of any age. The story here is underage female pimps whoring out their peers.

I picture one of them strongly resembling Joan Jett in the '70s.


IIRC, it's only legal for them to come to your house or hotel room....you guys don't have Nevada style brothels.
 
2012-06-14 01:18:27 PM  

Valiente: Americans in this thread, put down the Bible and the Constitution and the teabags.

This happened in Canada. Prostitution is legal here


EXACTLY. In Canada, the sinful selling of the flesh is legal and look how corrupt and deviant your country has become! It's a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah! There is a reason that Canadians the world over are known as a hateful, arrogant, narcissistic people.

I can't imagine the horror of living in a place like Canada. It makes me thank God that I'm an American where prostitution is illegal like the Good Book says.
 
2012-06-14 01:19:39 PM  
So he's totally OK using the services of a hard 15-year-old, but a crying 17-year-old makes him realize what he's doing is wrong? That's not a hero; that's a guy who's afraid of getting into trouble for his underage kicks.
 
2012-06-14 01:22:03 PM  

The_Sponge: Valiente: Americans in this thread, put down the Bible and the Constitution and the teabags.

This happened in Canada. Prostitution is legal here.

What's illegal is being a violent pimp of any age. The story here is underage female pimps whoring out their peers.

I picture one of them strongly resembling Joan Jett in the '70s.

IIRC, it's only legal for them to come to your house or hotel room....you guys don't have Nevada style brothels.


Yes we do. They're all over the place. In Edmonton, where I live, there's gotta be at least twenty.
 
2012-06-14 01:23:55 PM  
IIRC, it's only legal for them to come to your house or hotel room....you guys don't have Nevada style brothels.

yes but that law will probably be dropped in 2013. What is illegal from my understanding is solicitation.
 
2012-06-14 01:25:58 PM  

The_Sponge: Valiente: Americans in this thread, put down the Bible and the Constitution and the teabags.

This happened in Canada. Prostitution is legal here.

What's illegal is being a violent pimp of any age. The story here is underage female pimps whoring out their peers.

I picture one of them strongly resembling Joan Jett in the '70s.

IIRC, it's only legal for them to come to your house or hotel room....you guys don't have Nevada style brothels.


True, but we do. They just aren't legal. They have the very medieval tag of "bawdy house", as in "found in a bawdy house".

I got lost in one for two days, once.
 
2012-06-14 01:30:56 PM  
I once gave a girl The Ralph Lauren
 
2012-06-14 01:31:53 PM  
So I was living in this great place on Federal Hill in Providence when my landlord decided to rent to a sex trafficking ring. This is what I did about it:


Federal Hill Protest Targets Landlords Who Rent to Brothels


/got them shut down
//Owner Brett Lipeles of Exhibit and Display Designs couldn't rent it for a few years, lost a lot of $.
 
2012-06-14 01:32:54 PM  
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2012-06-14 01:33:42 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
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2012-06-14 01:39:07 PM  

Cythraul: tillerman35: Kudos for the swift action in a bad situation, but it doesn't change the fact that he was a john. That girl and others like her would never show up at strangers' doors if there weren't asshats willing to overlook the well established fact that the sex trade (regardless of its legality in whatever province/state/country/whatever) exploits women. My guess is that if the girl had not been in distress, he would have hititliketheangryfistofgod'd her even if (especially if) he knew or suspected that she was underage.

/No high opinion of johns
//Lower opinion of people who don't think it's a problem except when it affects their property values

Turning the thread into an argument about legality of prostitution, eh? Well, I know I feel safe and free in a country where I don't have the right to sell my own farking body.


Would be better to just rent it out.

Valiente: Americans in this thread, put down the Bible and the Constitution and the teabags.

This happened in Canada. Prostitution is legal here.

What's illegal is being a violent pimp of any age. The story here is underage female pimps whoring out their peers.

I picture one of them strongly resembling Joan Jett in the '70s.


I was doing fine until you mentioned Joan Jett. Now?


fap fap fap fap...
 
2012-06-14 01:47:11 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: What a dick

I like how just this one time he decided not to f*ck the prostitute he bought. Good job perv


Um, Not quite.

ftfa: ". "It's different if a girl says I want $200 an hour, the girl is of age and that's what she wants to do."

He's right. It's about choice. He saw that choice wasn't present, and walked away from the deal.
 
2012-06-14 02:02:57 PM  

mightybaldking: Tat'dGreaser: What a dick

I like how just this one time he decided not to f*ck the prostitute he bought. Good job perv

Um, Not quite.

ftfa: ". "It's different if a girl says I want $200 an hour, the girl is of age and that's what she wants to do."

He's right. It's about choice. He saw that choice wasn't present, and walked away from the deal.


He apparently typically goes for girls that look young, considering that the previous one he nailed was 14 or 15:
What led to that day in his apartment began seven months earlier, Derouchie said, when he met a young woman on Craigslist. He had recently met her in person for the first time when she came to his home to listen to music and eat pizza, he said.

Derouchie said he separated from his wife in 2006 and only wanted companionship. He said the young woman showed him identification that said she was in her 20s. He said he now believes she is one of the two 15-year-old girls charged with human trafficking, abduction, sexual assault and other offences for allegedly forcing a number of girls into sex acts with adult johns. A third suspect, 17, is still wanted by police.


That starts making it look a lot more like it's about legality and him covering his ass regarding age. In fact, consider his question to the girl... not "do you really want to do this," but "are you really over 18":
Derouchie said the girl entered his home, and he locked his door in case the two other girls tried to get in. He asked the girl her age, which is when she broke down in tears.
 
2012-06-14 02:05:01 PM  

Shenanigans!: So he's totally OK using the services of a hard 15-year-old, but a crying 17-year-old makes him realize what he's doing is wrong? That's not a hero; that's a guy who's afraid of getting into trouble for his underage kicks.


You have to understand, the crying costs at least $100 more and he was all tapped out.
 
2012-06-14 02:06:38 PM  

Deathfrogg: When I was 17 there was this really beautiful girl I had a terrible crush going with. We went out a couple times and she was fun to hang out with, she was 15 when we met. She started hanging out with a couple of the hoodlum/raver type chicks and somehow, she went from being this really cute, smart-as-hell funny girl to being this sullen, nasty stuckup little biatch in the space of about 3 months.

I only found out later that the other girls had talked her into going downtown with them to blow fat old men to pay for their Rave and concert habits.

Sigh.

I'll never figure that out.


I've met a LOT of raver girls..........none of them would do anything like this, me thinks you have them confused with another group of people.
 
2012-06-14 02:08:40 PM  
I get the strange feeling this guy isn't on the up and up.
 
2012-06-14 02:10:03 PM  

mightybaldking: Um, Not quite.

ftfa: ". "It's different if a girl says I want $200 an hour, the girl is of age and that's what she wants to do."

He's right. It's about choice. He saw that choice wasn't present, and walked away from the deal.


That's HIS story. How do we know he didn't call looking for jailbait?
 
2012-06-14 02:12:51 PM  

Theaetetus: mightybaldking: Tat'dGreaser: What a dick

I like how just this one time he decided not to f*ck the prostitute he bought. Good job perv

Um, Not quite.

ftfa: ". "It's different if a girl says I want $200 an hour, the girl is of age and that's what she wants to do."

He's right. It's about choice. He saw that choice wasn't present, and walked away from the deal.

He apparently typically goes for girls that look young, considering that the previous one he nailed was 14 or 15:
What led to that day in his apartment began seven months earlier, Derouchie said, when he met a young woman on Craigslist. He had recently met her in person for the first time when she came to his home to listen to music and eat pizza, he said.

Derouchie said he separated from his wife in 2006 and only wanted companionship. He said the young woman showed him identification that said she was in her 20s. He said he now believes she is one of the two 15-year-old girls charged with human trafficking, abduction, sexual assault and other offences for allegedly forcing a number of girls into sex acts with adult johns. A third suspect, 17, is still wanted by police.

That starts making it look a lot more like it's about legality and him covering his ass regarding age. In fact, consider his question to the girl... not "do you really want to do this," but "are you really over 18":
Derouchie said the girl entered his home, and he locked his door in case the two other girls tried to get in. He asked the girl her age, which is when she broke down in tears.


Yeah, see, that was my only problem with this too. It's great that when confronted with a girl who was clearly in distress he did the right thing. But something just doesn't feel right about his initial interactions with the first girl. Even though perhaps she genuinely did look older than she was, she still must have looked quite young.

I'm not sure it it's a case of him worrying about their age as much as even if he was a perv he maybe had some conscience still and didn't like it when the girl appeared to be upset. He could rationalize what he was doing if the girl appeared to be in control, but not if she was clearly a victim.
 
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