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(Talking Points Memo)   The Supreme Court could improve the budget deficit--or they could completely screw it up. Given their track record, it seems clear what will happen   ( divider line
    More: Scary, supreme courts, Douglas W. Elmendorf, health law, health insurance exchange, debt limit, deficits, Congressional Budget Office, Wall Street reform  
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2012-06-14 03:38:30 PM  
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MugzyBrown: Because Corporations are People dammit!

Corporations are people who have come together to form a legal entity.

Would it make you feel better if the corporation itself didn't spend money on a candidate, but instead the stockholders just got in a big room, collected money from everybody and then spent it? Or do you feel people assembling is also not protected by the 1st amendment

That would suggest that the corporation acts as a group in unanimous agreement. As far as I know, only sole proprietorships can do that.

Corporations exist as THIRD PARTIES formed by a person or by people. They do not inherit their creators' rights to speech, association, to be secure in their persons, etc - mostly because the people keep those rights for themselves, and granting a corporation the right to be secure in its person is a ludicrous concept.

If anything, a corporation is like a child with thousands of parents, but if you've ever sued one, you know that corporations are orphans - no one takes responsibility for them and their farkups.

A group of people is allowed to act how it wants, provided they use their own money to do it. Unless and until a corporation can prove that 100% of its shareholders (and employees?) agree with a political expenditure, corporate speech represents coercion by the company of those shareholders who do not agree with the corporate position. A misappropriation of funds, or fraud (presenting a misleading version of the shareholders' actual opinions), or a violation of civil rights (by compelling the shareholders' support of Candidate X or Issue Y) - call it what you want, but it's still wrong.
2012-06-14 02:57:47 PM  
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SkinnyHead: if Obamacare is found to be unconstitutional, that means it's against the law. Obama broke the law when he pushed for and signed a bill that is against the law.

This just in: SkinnyHead has found a way to make political speech illegal.

Since completely outlawing abortion is unconstitutional. when a group says we should criminalize abortion, that group is doing something illegal.

Since flag burning is protected under the First Amendment, when someone says flag burning should be against the law, that person has broken the law.

2012-06-14 02:35:43 PM  
1 vote:

rufus-t-firefly: "As far as the Moor Nations, or Martian law, we're going to go on Georgia law," Irwin said. "As based upon the Georgia statutes, as done by the Georgia Legislature, you have a right to a trial on those issues. That's it. I'm not doing Moorish law. ... I'm not doing paper law. I'm doing Georgia law. ... I have given you opportunities, I have given you offers, and you have refused. ... You're not free to go. A jury will be picked for you today."

Kwame later stated: "That's crap. Mars is wild, untamed. I'm forming a cadre of Martian knights charged with enforcing Martian law. "
2012-06-14 01:40:23 PM  
1 vote:
Step 1: Keep all the expensive stuff that people want.
Step 2: Get rid of the revenue generating stuff that people don't want.
Step 3: Blame Obama when the deficit explodes.
2012-06-14 01:27:36 PM  
1 vote:
Christ on a dildo this country's retarded. We're the only industrialized nation on Earth to not be able to pull off universal healthcare. It's amazing that we, as a nation, ever manage to do anything other than wave flags, shoot each other, eat fried stuff, and drool on our erections while watching Megyn Kelly tell us how evil socialism is.
2012-06-14 10:23:30 AM  
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Generation_D: Craziest, most damaged Supreme Court in what, 100 years? I think its becoming consensus you'd have to go back to the 1800s to find one that is on a par with this one.

yup. there will be a lot of books written about this court. and they won't be kind.
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