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(Think Progress)   Romney-bot installs Mid East policy firmware. "Policy toward Israel will be guided by Israeli leaders; second, on Jerusalem, he'd do whatever Israel tells him to do"   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 103
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2012-06-14 12:31:04 PM
Hey Mittens, if we wanted Israel running our foreign policy, we'd elect Lieberman.
 
2012-06-14 12:33:31 PM

sweetmelissa31: sprawl15: WE LET THEM LEAD IN LIBYA AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED

At least it was funny when they surrendered to Gaddhafi and Sarkozy was forced to kiss his feet.


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2012-06-14 12:33:39 PM
50 comments in and not one of the Fark Independent regulars has shown up.

Cat got your tongues, fellas?
 
2012-06-14 12:33:45 PM

doyner: Now le't replace the counry name with ANY other nation on earth and let's see if anybody notices...


Is that one of them there J00ish words?
 
2012-06-14 12:39:26 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Curious to how the troll accounts will spin this.


At least Romney isn't bowing and apologizing and appeasing and drone attacks and WILL YOU PEOPLE LOOK OVER HERE?
 
2012-06-14 12:40:35 PM
Teddy Roosevelt (R) responds to Romney:

Link
 
2012-06-14 12:42:41 PM
www.offuhuge.com
 
2012-06-14 12:46:43 PM
Yay for our batshiat insane Israel-obsessed politicians. Oh the cries of "ANTI SEMITE!" when a politician suggests we distance ourselves from them.
 
2012-06-14 12:51:04 PM
Would it kill these fools who bang the drums and rattle the sabers of American sovereignty and unaccountability to other nation-states at any cost to walk through a synagogue without sucking an Israeli's dick just once so we can all at least pretend they're not shameless, bald-faced hypocrites? They manage to keep sucking Saudi cock out of the public eye, so we know they're capable of it.
 
2012-06-14 01:11:50 PM
Nice, so the right wants to surrender out policy decisions to a foreign power. I forget,is he running for Us office, or Israeli office?
 
2012-06-14 01:20:19 PM
Nice job pulling an article from October 2011. Let's do the time warp again!
 
2012-06-14 01:22:14 PM

RsquaredW: Nice job pulling an article from October 2011. Let's do the time warp again!


Yeah. Romney's probably changed positions by now.
 
2012-06-14 01:25:24 PM
Mitt is just mouthing stripped down Republican talking points. More money for the military, threaten all international enemies with military action, do whatever Israel says etc.

It's because Mitt is really bad at foreign policy. He's an economy guy. He wants to talk about jobs and taxes. When it comes to foreign policy he has no idea what to say, do, or think. It's something he just hasn't had to deal with in private or public service. He sounds just like someone who has rushed through a crash course and wants to just pass this damned final so that he can move on to what he really wants.
 
2012-06-14 01:28:25 PM

RsquaredW: Nice job pulling an article from October 2011. Let's do the time warp again!


Are you implying that he might be inconsistent on major policy matters? I'm not sure what's more disturbing.
 
2012-06-14 01:29:25 PM

that bosnian sniper: Would it kill these fools who bang the drums and rattle the sabers of American sovereignty and unaccountability to other nation-states at any cost to walk through a synagogue without sucking an Israeli's dick just once so we can all at least pretend they're not shameless, bald-faced hypocrites? They manage to keep sucking Saudi cock out of the public eye, so we know they're capable of it.


That's why I want to run for office. I could walk into a synagogue and explain - passionately and specifically - why Israel is free to suck as many dicks as any other country and be immune from such an attack.

Having just come back from a stay, I feel emboldened to say that Israel has as many warts as any other country on Earth (more or less), and no amount of "B-b-b-but {$x}!" will change my opinion. They don't deserve special treatment (any more than, say, France or Madagascar) regardless of what historical artifacts are there, and their actions toward their neighbors are fit for judgement - just as Pakistan's or Greece's or the US's.

That said, I have a feeling that some of my stances re: Israel are not exactly Democratic Party orthodoxy. So there's that side of it, too.

// I can get hated by everyone!
 
2012-06-14 01:36:46 PM
It's refreshing when a politician tells you to vote for the other guy.
 
2012-06-14 01:48:44 PM
Guys, you're really overreacting on this one. Romney doesn't plan to defer on foreign policy, he's just outsourcing it. It's a tried and true method to bring down costs. If any of you had half the business sense of our future President, you'd understand that.
 
2012-06-14 01:52:36 PM
I'd expect stupid shiat like this spouted by the likes of Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, not Romney.

I am dissapoint.
 
2012-06-14 01:53:12 PM

Dr Dreidel: That said, I have a feeling that some of my stances re: Israel are not exactly Democratic Party orthodoxy. So there's that side of it, too.


Eh...substantively, Democratic party orthodoxy in re: Israel has been for the last few decades to whinge about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but do approximately dick about it other than dole out the cash and continue selling arms. Case in point, tons of criticism for the unabashed Republican support for Likud coupled by copious bus-chucking when it came to Kadima, and naught a word of support for the API, which despite having come from the Arab League and disliked by Israelis, Palestinians and the entire Quartet is still the best plan on the table that's likely to have movement towards long-term peace.

Because god knows, the Road Map isn't doing squat and was the dumbest damn thing America could probably have shat out in regards to the conflict, and the only movement to be seen so long as Likud is in power is backwards.

Of course, that said my personal take on Israel currently is...ambivalent. It'd be a lot more positive but for the state's hawkishness vis-a-vis Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
 
2012-06-14 01:53:43 PM
So Romney's Secretary of State will be Benjamin Netanyahu?
 
2012-06-14 01:55:52 PM

Jairzinho: I'd expect stupid shiat like this spouted by the likes of Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, not Romney.

I am dissapoint.


Why?
 
2012-06-14 01:57:02 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: So Romney's Secretary of State will be Benjamin Netanyahu?


No, more like Netanyahu's Foreign Affairs Minister (or at least a delegate for American affairs) will be Romney.
 
2012-06-14 02:00:20 PM
Romney: "I don't know many Jews, but I am good with money!"
 
2012-06-14 02:02:44 PM
I'm thinking that this wouldn't exactly make the Arab World happy with Romney.

Oops, strike that. I'm thinking this wouldn't exactly make the WORLD happy with Romney.

Other than a few hardcore Republicans, and hardcore Israelis, everybody pretty much concurs that Israel is a rogue state, and the biggest danger to world peace we currently have.

Just ask around.
 
2012-06-14 02:05:58 PM

propasaurus: Jairzinho: I'd expect stupid shiat like this spouted by the likes of Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, not Romney.

I am dissapoint.

Why?


The GOP primaries are over. He no longer needs to appease the fringe base saying stuff I presume he actually doesn't believe in (contrary to Bachmann et all). I was expecting he'd show now the nation the pragmatic knowledgeable guy with executive experience he says he is. I'm sure he regrets saying that now but he won't admit it and the "liberal media" won't cover it anyway.
 
2012-06-14 02:17:12 PM

jakomo002: ...Israel is a rogue state, and the biggest danger to world peace we currently have...


Extra irony.

Iran: signatory of the CWC, BWC, and NPT, and ratified.

Israel: non-signatory of the BWC or NPT, signed but not ratified the CWC.

Right-wingers' concern is over Iran possessing nuclear weapons, when they already have the capability to develop, stockpile and deploy chemical, biological and radiological weapons, and are known to have used chemical weapons during the Iran-Iraq War. All three of those types of weapons of mass destruction being easier and cheaper to develop, stockpile and deploy, with less opportunity for oversight, tracking and discovery.

...and the kicker? One of those countries is known to have stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, known to be capable of producing and stockpiling radiological weapons, and strongly alleged to have stockpiles of nuclear weapons. You get one guess as to which.
 
2012-06-14 02:22:07 PM

that bosnian sniper: Of course, that said my personal take on Israel currently is...ambivalent. It'd be a lot more positive but for the state's hawkishness vis-a-vis Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


Depends what you mean by "The State". The leadership seems to be itching for war with Iran (though that's been largely true since 1979). The people are hesitant to get into another costly battle.

Lots of Israelis are so battle-fatigued from having been involved (nationally) in border skirmishes for 40+ years that seeking to attack a country NOT along its borders seems like the biggest waste of effort since Waterworld.

Which is another part of the reason that Israeli leadership is goading the US into starting shiat with Iran. The shame of it is that the GOP is falling for it for no other reason than their Useful Idiocy to Israeli hawks.

// the same way the GOP cares very much about Israel but not at all about the plight of people who live there, Israeli leadership uses our government's ecclesiastical notions of Israel to force (blackmail?) the US into acting as protector nation
// the less-religious in both countries seem to have caught on to those games
 
2012-06-14 02:25:14 PM
Ooh! I forgot also the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons!

Iran's neither a signatory to the CCW nor its protocols.

Israel is a signatory and has ratified three of the five protocols. Can you guess which two they didn't sign or ratify? HINT: it has to do with them dropping willy pete and cluster munitions like gangbusters on anybody that so much as looks at them funny.
 
2012-06-14 02:26:33 PM

Dr Dreidel: Depends what you mean by "The State". The leadership seems to be itching for war with Iran (though that's been largely true since 1979). The people are hesitant to get into another costly battle.


Yeah, the Likud government is pretty much all I mean by 'the state'.
 
2012-06-14 02:31:16 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: RsquaredW: Nice job pulling an article from October 2011. Let's do the time warp again!

Yeah. Romney's probably changed positions by now.


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2012-06-14 02:32:26 PM
that bosnian sniper: Ooh! I forgot also the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons!

It really is ludicrous. Iran hasn't attacked a foreign nation for what, 200 years?

Meanwhile Israel has had military actions against every single one of its' neighbours (including militarily occupying Lebanon for 20 years), they've blasted peace activists out of the ocean, totally denied they have nukes, and are CONSTANTLY threatening everyone in the region (either as a direct threat or an "existential threat").

Not to mention Mossad assassinating people in hotels, strapping bombs onto Iranian cars carrying nuclear scientists, and generally being the biggest @ssholes in the world.

But omigod IRAN!

/le sigh
 
2012-06-14 02:40:22 PM
That settles it. Romney has my vote. Clearly, the person who will best look out for America's interest will be the one who looks forward to being the lapdog of another nation. I wonder if they'll make him ride on top of the car?
 
2012-06-14 02:40:58 PM
well, someone's going to show up here soon to thank g-d for this.
 
2012-06-14 02:42:25 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: RsquaredW: Nice job pulling an article from October 2011. Let's do the time warp again!

Yeah. Romney's probably changed positions 50 times by now.


FTFY
 
2012-06-14 03:06:28 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: How is it EVERYTHING that comes out of this man's mouth is an idiotic pile of bullsh*t nonsense? How is that f*cking possible?


Nobody calls him on crap like this: I don't think America should play the role of the leader of the peace process, instead we should stand by our ally.

Our ally, here, Israel; what's going to happen when our ally Saudi Arabia or Jordan complain?

Or is that part of the plan, to make sure the Middle East TOTALLY disintegrates into open warfare so we can play?
 
2012-06-14 03:09:32 PM

Mrtraveler01: Lenny_da_Hog: RsquaredW: Nice job pulling an article from October 2011. Let's do the time warp again!

Yeah. Romney's probably changed positions 50 times by now.

FTFY


Hey, genius, you realize that October, 2011 was only 8 months ago, and Rmoney was in full campaign mode already? It's not like he said this 40 years ago when it wouldn't have mattered. He said it this year. Or, since you'll obfuscate and say that 2011 was "last year"--he said it within this election cycle.
 
2012-06-14 03:12:06 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: Lenny_da_Hog: RsquaredW: Nice job pulling an article from October 2011. Let's do the time warp again!

Yeah. Romney's probably changed positions 50 times by now.

FTFY

Hey, genius, you realize that October, 2011 was only 8 months ago, and Rmoney was in full campaign mode already? It's not like he said this 40 years ago when it wouldn't have mattered. He said it this year. Or, since you'll obfuscate and say that 2011 was "last year"--he said it within this election cycle.


Fun fact:

Romney has probably changed his position on this 5 times since my Boobies. ;)
 
2012-06-14 03:12:56 PM

Mrtraveler01: Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: Lenny_da_Hog: RsquaredW: Nice job pulling an article from October 2011. Let's do the time warp again!

Yeah. Romney's probably changed positions 50 times by now.

FTFY

Hey, genius, you realize that October, 2011 was only 8 months ago, and Rmoney was in full campaign mode already? It's not like he said this 40 years ago when it wouldn't have mattered. He said it this year. Or, since you'll obfuscate and say that 2011 was "last year"--he said it within this election cycle.

Fun fact:

Romney has probably changed his position on this 5 times since my Boobies original post. ;)


Curse you Fark filter!!!
 
2012-06-14 03:18:00 PM

Mrtraveler01: Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: Lenny_da_Hog: RsquaredW: Nice job pulling an article from October 2011. Let's do the time warp again!

Yeah. Romney's probably changed positions 50 times by now.

FTFY

Hey, genius, you realize that October, 2011 was only 8 months ago, and Rmoney was in full campaign mode already? It's not like he said this 40 years ago when it wouldn't have mattered. He said it this year. Or, since you'll obfuscate and say that 2011 was "last year"--he said it within this election cycle.

Fun fact:

Romney has probably changed his position on this 5 times since my Boobies. ;)


Um, okay. ;)

This is what happens to politicians who can't change their underwear: They change political positions instead.
 
2012-06-14 03:20:53 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: Lenny_da_Hog: RsquaredW: Nice job pulling an article from October 2011. Let's do the time warp again!

Yeah. Romney's probably changed positions 50 times by now.

FTFY

Hey, genius, you realize that October, 2011 was only 8 months ago, and Rmoney was in full campaign mode already? It's not like he said this 40 years ago when it wouldn't have mattered. He said it this year. Or, since you'll obfuscate and say that 2011 was "last year"--he said it within this election cycle.

Fun fact:

Romney has probably changed his position on this 5 times since my Boobies. ;)

Um, okay. ;)

This is what happens to politicians who can't change their underwear: They change political positions instead.


Of course! Why didn't I see that before?
 
2012-06-14 03:46:10 PM
I don't usually watch Presidential pep rallies but Obama just gave a speech that gave it to Romney right in the ass on all Romney's bullshiat. If only Obama can sack up like that before Congress.
 
2012-06-14 04:14:21 PM
so, have any of the usual shills defended this yet?
 
2012-06-14 04:32:00 PM

Dr Dreidel:
Having just come back from a stay, I feel emboldened to say that Israel has as many warts as any other country on Earth (more or less), and no amount of "B-b-b-but {$x}!" will change my opinion. They don't deserve special treatment (any more than, say, France or Madagascar) regardless of what historical artifacts are there, and their actions toward their neighbors are fit for judgement - just as Pakistan's or Greece's or the US's.

That said, I have a feeling that some of my stances re: Israel are not exactly Democratic Party orthodoxy. So there's that side of it, too.

// I can get hated by everyone!


No kidding. I too was there for a short time, and there are some social issues (race riots against the Falashi, saying fark you to American Conservative and Reform Jews, convert if you want to live here, Haredi being able to get out of military service) that make the Southern Jim Crow era look positively sane. On a human rights paradigm, the country acts in a way that would make any other US ally look like a saint. The GOP is utterly in bed with Likud and totally looks the other way when human rights violations that are incredibly screwed up are just shrugged at by the majority of people and ignored. It made me ashamed to be Jewish when I saw some of the things that were done to protect a country. And the utter egotistical dick-waving that comes when they're talking about how they're making the Negev green, it is galling. It's the exact same kind of bullshiat that Americans used to say about how they were right to slaughter and displace Native Americans. They don't understand how to use the land like we do. So they deserve to get their asses kicked and their houses bulldozed.

Mind you, I saw the Haredi in an entirely new light, some of them are the world's nicest, most generous, and thoughtful people. They aren't all assholes like the ultra-Orthodox in my hometown. They actually engage in the world and try to do good, from their POV. But the things some people do in the name of defending themselves is an affront to modern democratic (small D) values.

Israel, unsinkable aircraft carrier, whatever. I don't think we should necessarily just buddy up with the Palestinians and tell Netenyahu to get over himself and just roll over with a peace treaty. But what we spend to buy that unsinkable aircraft carrier.... fark no, it isn't worth it.
 
2012-06-14 06:05:11 PM
Is this the thread where we discuss Obama's lack of leadership skills?
 
2012-06-14 08:25:19 PM

turboeli: Dr Dreidel:
Having just come back from a stay, I feel emboldened to say that Israel has as many warts as any other country on Earth (more or less), and no amount of "B-b-b-but {$x}!" will change my opinion. They don't deserve special treatment (any more than, say, France or Madagascar) regardless of what historical artifacts are there, and their actions toward their neighbors are fit for judgement - just as Pakistan's or Greece's or the US's.

That said, I have a feeling that some of my stances re: Israel are not exactly Democratic Party orthodoxy. So there's that side of it, too.

// I can get hated by everyone!

No kidding. I too was there for a short time, and there are some social issues (race riots against the Falashi, saying fark you to American Conservative and Reform Jews, convert if you want to live here, Haredi being able to get out of military service) that make the Southern Jim Crow era look positively sane. On a human rights paradigm, the country acts in a way that would make any other US ally look like a saint. The GOP is utterly in bed with Likud and totally looks the other way when human rights violations that are incredibly screwed up are just shrugged at by the majority of people and ignored. It made me ashamed to be Jewish when I saw some of the things that were done to protect a country. And the utter egotistical dick-waving that comes when they're talking about how they're making the Negev green, it is galling. It's the exact same kind of bullshiat that Americans used to say about how they were right to slaughter and displace Native Americans. They don't understand how to use the land like we do. So they deserve to get their asses kicked and their houses bulldozed.

Mind you, I saw the Haredi in an entirely new light, some of them are the world's nicest, most generous, and thoughtful people. They aren't all assholes like the ultra-Orthodox in my hometown. They actually engage in the world and try to do good, from their POV. But the t ...


I guess that makes you anti-Semitic. Welcome to the club!
 
2012-06-14 08:44:09 PM

Gyrfalcon: I guess that makes you anti-Semitic. Welcome to the club!


Hey. I'm Jewish. I have a strong bone to pick with other Jews. But I am no "self-hating Jew". I think that we can be a great people and do a lot of good on this earth, if we get our heads out of our asses and look at what we're actually doing. Criticism for improvement is mature, rational love. I will not tolerate any schmuck who calls me anti-Semitic. Anyone who understands the virtues of civic life and what democracies do in their daily operation can appreciate that. Then again, this kind of particular belief happens to piss off a lot of the "religious" Jews. (God, I hate it when they claim that label and call everyone else secular. You'd think they'd learn what ethnocentrism is.)

But since a lot of them don't have that understanding, all they usually muster is calling me and fellow civic minded individuals an anti-Semite and run off pretending we don't exist.

So how much are dues?
 
2012-06-14 09:14:04 PM
This guy is putting the moron in mormon
 
2012-06-14 11:28:23 PM

turboeli: Gyrfalcon: I guess that makes you anti-Semitic. Welcome to the club!

Hey. I'm Jewish. I have a strong bone to pick with other Jews. But I am no "self-hating Jew". I think that we can be a great people and do a lot of good on this earth, if we get our heads out of our asses and look at what we're actually doing. Criticism for improvement is mature, rational love. I will not tolerate any schmuck who calls me anti-Semitic. Anyone who understands the virtues of civic life and what democracies do in their daily operation can appreciate that. Then again, this kind of particular belief happens to piss off a lot of the "religious" Jews. (God, I hate it when they claim that label and call everyone else secular. You'd think they'd learn what ethnocentrism is.)

But since a lot of them don't have that understanding, all they usually muster is calling me and fellow civic minded individuals an anti-Semite and run off pretending we don't exist.

So how much are dues?


You just have to bring cookies when it's your turn.
 
2012-06-15 01:24:45 AM
Fark Romney and fark Israel.

I'm sick of all of it.

I've been watching the thing for 30 years and hoping for peace and rooting for Israelis because I was TOLD TO by church idiots and what do I get?

Gods damn Willie Pete apparently dropped on civilians..

Put an impassable barrier around the whole place, no supplies in or out, and let both sides fight with rocks and sharp sticks until they are all dead to the last man jack of 'em.
 
2012-06-15 01:31:12 AM
ROMNEY: The actions that I will take will be actions recommended and supported by Israeli leaders

YOU WILL NOT HAND MY FOREIGN POLICYMAKING TO ANY OTHER NATION!!

You STINKING lickspittle!!
 
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