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(Some TPP Guy)   Old and busted: Corporations operating under domestic laws. New hotness: Corporations operating under their own laws using their own tribunal system not tied to any country   (citizen.typepad.com) divider line 60
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2012-06-14 10:44:35 AM
Those bullet points are fu*king terrifying.

Yay free trade.
 
2012-06-14 11:04:11 AM
Shut up and buy something, consumer-subby. Be a good little peon.
 
2012-06-14 11:04:51 AM
Isn't that basically the backstory for Shadowrun?

/DNRTFA
 
2012-06-14 11:07:52 AM
your blog sucks
 
2012-06-14 11:08:30 AM
I hate to be that guy, but is there a reliable source reporting on this. Because laid out as it is, this may as well be "news" from Art Bell or Alex Jones.
 
2012-06-14 11:16:14 AM
Disney Jail.
 
2012-06-14 11:18:03 AM

IrateShadow: I hate to be that guy, but is there a reliable source reporting on this. Because laid out as it is, this may as well be "news" from Art Bell or Alex Jones.


How about Art's Mexican half-brother Taco? Would you consider him a reliable source?
 
2012-06-14 11:18:31 AM
The Actual Leaked Document if any of our resident Law Talkers care to weigh in. Us shiathouse lawyers will be doing our own analysis.
 
2012-06-14 11:23:22 AM
You are going to have to change your arguments fellows. There are no more "American Workers".

/Localized debt, Globalized profit.
//The easiest way to dodge taxes.
/// If I claim Somali citizenship, Can I pay their tax rate?
 
2012-06-14 11:23:51 AM
HuffPo has an article on it. it also includes this part

"Bush was better than Obama on this," said Judit Rius, U.S. manager of Doctors Without Borders Access to Medicines Campaign, referring to the medication rules. "It's pathetic, but it is what it is. The world's upside-down."

That should get the ball rolling...
 
2012-06-14 11:29:04 AM

Tax Boy: Disney Jail.


Disney Thunderdome.
 
2012-06-14 11:29:21 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: IrateShadow: I hate to be that guy, but is there a reliable source reporting on this. Because laid out as it is, this may as well be "news" from Art Bell or Alex Jones.

How about Art's Mexican half-brother Taco? Would you consider him a reliable source?


His info dumps are full of shiat.
 
2012-06-14 11:36:01 AM

Some Beer Snob: Isn't that basically the backstory for Shadowrun?

/DNRTFA


Time to move to Seattle and get some cyberware installed.
 
2012-06-14 11:36:41 AM
Foreign money rolling into the government merits foreign concessions.
 
2012-06-14 11:36:42 AM

Some Beer Snob: Isn't that basically the backstory for Shadowrun?

/DNRTFA


Was about to say, this reeks of the Shiawase Decision.
 
2012-06-14 11:37:25 AM
This boggles the mind. So we will no longer have sovereignty over our own lands. WTF.

HuffPo: "Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) has been so incensed by the lack of access as to introduce legislation requiring further disclosure."

Well, at least there's that...
 
2012-06-14 11:39:27 AM
You have violated our sacred hunting grounds. You have a choice of penalty, either Boonda or death.
 
2012-06-14 11:40:32 AM
this is crazy
 
2012-06-14 11:46:04 AM
www.motifake.com
 
2012-06-14 11:53:56 AM

Some Beer Snob: Isn't that basically the backstory for Shadowrun?

/DNRTFA


Nah, this is just typical Republicans doing what they do best, selling out US citizens to foreign corporate interests. Don't worry citizen the Job Creators have your best interest at heart.
 
2012-06-14 11:54:26 AM
well then. I guess the Citizen's United decision is working out.
 
2012-06-14 11:59:52 AM
Whar them unions screaming, WHAR!?!
 
2012-06-14 12:04:54 PM

Rat Bastard!!!: Some Beer Snob: Isn't that basically the backstory for Shadowrun?

/DNRTFA

Time to move to Seattle and get some cyberware installed.


Just stay clear of that move by wire shiat, not only do you end up moving like freakish real world CGI, but it drains your essence and being a cyber-zombie is NOT fun.
 
2012-06-14 12:06:41 PM
Last month, U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk defended the unprecedented secrecy of TPP negotiations by noting that when the draft of a major regional trade pact was released previously, it became impossible to finish the deal as then proposed.

Nice. "Hey, we can't pass this horrible pact if you plebeians go and start whining about it."
 
2012-06-14 12:26:40 PM
MessyDwarf:

Foreign money rolling into the government merits foreign concessions.

You don't need a tinfoil cap to think that's a bad idea.

This reminds me of the concessions the khedivate of Egypt made to Britain and France (and their corporate/banker overlords) in the later 1800s, from say Ismail on. Which led to Egypt losing control of its economy and in a dozen years or so being taken over by the British Empire (and the financial- corporate interests behind that) till 1956.

What's next? Unequal treaties? Extraterritoriality? Spheres of influence?

From a historical perspective it sounds like chickens coming home to roost. And check out the members list. (link)

Maybe we should just sell North Dakota to the World Bank or something.
 
2012-06-14 12:29:13 PM

The One True TheDavid:

Maybe we should just sell North Dakota to the World Bank or something.


No.
 
2012-06-14 12:40:17 PM

Rapmaster2000: Tax Boy: Disney Jail.

Disney Thunderdome.


Cobra Terrordrome

/am I playing right?
 
2012-06-14 12:41:30 PM
I steal what I buy, so It's a non-issue to me.

/and by 'buy', I mean steal.
 
2012-06-14 12:42:25 PM
What's wrong with having it good for a change? Now they're gonna let us have it good if we just help 'em. They're gonna leave us alone, let us make some money. You can have a little taste of that good life too. Now, I know you want it. Hell, everybody does.
 
2012-06-14 12:46:45 PM

Charlie Freak: The One True TheDavid:

Maybe we should just sell North Dakota to the World Bank or something.

No.


Exactly, Alabama or Mississippi would be better; let somebody else deal with the inbreds.
 
2012-06-14 12:47:38 PM

The One True TheDavid: MessyDwarf:

Foreign money rolling into the government merits foreign concessions.

You don't need a tinfoil cap to think that's a bad idea.

This reminds me of the concessions the khedivate of Egypt made to Britain and France (and their corporate/banker overlords) in the later 1800s, from say Ismail on. Which led to Egypt losing control of its economy and in a dozen years or so being taken over by the British Empire (and the financial- corporate interests behind that) till 1956.

What's next? Unequal treaties? Extraterritoriality? Spheres of influence?

From a historical perspective it sounds like chickens coming home to roost. And check out the members list. (link)

Maybe we should just sell North Dakota to the World Bank or something.


Extraterritoriality for corporations? In the 21st century? In the United States?

I'd really like to think that we're not that stupid, but...I think we might be that stupid.
 
2012-06-14 12:49:08 PM
Re read Catch 22.

We can pay back the Chinese by nuking ourselves.
 
2012-06-14 01:06:11 PM

Rapmaster2000: Tax Boy: Disney Jail.

Disney Thunderdome.


It's been so many years now...can't we just get beyond Thunderdome?
 
2012-06-14 01:19:00 PM
So is this going to bring about Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong, or just the Neuromancer zaibatsus?
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-06-14 01:42:41 PM
Shadowrun books from my youth coming to life day by day, eh?
 
2012-06-14 01:47:32 PM
 
2012-06-14 02:05:11 PM
New hotness: Corporations operating under their own laws using their own tribunal system not tied to any country

Think of it as Corporate Sharia.
 
2012-06-14 02:13:24 PM
Is this the thread where farkers tell us that corporations are our friends and that trade unions are teh debbil?
 
2012-06-14 02:16:21 PM
If the corporations abuse their power, then no one will buy from them and they will go out of business.
The reason you liberals get all panicky is because you believe people are bad by nature. That's not true, so why do you believe it? Because you're bad, and you think everyone else is like you. Fortunately, most of us are good.
 
2012-06-14 02:29:43 PM

Lord Dimwit: Extraterritoriality for corporations? In the 21st century? In the United States?

I'd really like to think that we're not that stupid, but...I think we might be that stupid.


I thought we already had it (via corporate ownership of the government).
 
2012-06-14 02:31:54 PM

rumpelstiltskin: If the corporations abuse their power, then no one will buy from them and they will go out of business.
The reason you liberals get all panicky is because you believe people are bad by nature. That's not true, so why do you believe it? Because you're bad, and you think everyone else is like you. Fortunately, most of us are good.


But what if the corporations are run by liebrals like George Soros and Warren Buffet or Bill Gates who keeps trying to give away free health care? If they're liebrals, which means they're bad, wouldn't that mean their corporate empires are also bad and apt to abuse power?
 
2012-06-14 02:50:57 PM
It's like these people picked up Jennifer Government and took it for a roadmap rather than a satire.
 
2012-06-14 04:03:30 PM

rumpelstiltskin: If the corporations abuse their power, then no one will buy from them and they will go out of business.
The reason you liberals get all panicky is because you believe people are bad by nature. That's not true, so why do you believe it? Because you're bad, and you think everyone else is like you. Fortunately, most of us are good.


WOW, I want some of what you're smokin!
 
2012-06-14 04:13:24 PM

rumpelstiltskin: If the corporations abuse their power, then no one will buy from them and they will go out of business.
The reason you liberals get all panicky is because you believe people are bad by nature. That's not true, so why do you believe it? Because you're bad, and you think everyone else is like you. Fortunately, most of us are good.


Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

You know what is sad is that you actually believe this shiat and despite being proven time and time again that corporations can, will, and do abuse their power every day you still believe this crap.
 
2012-06-14 04:13:50 PM
If you've taken a look at the actual document, it's clear that its a transitional document, not a final. Negotiations like this typically start from outrageous positions and work their way down to reasonable and blandly bureaucratic albeit practically toothless.

Furthermore...
WAKE UP!!!! TAKE A LOOK A THE PDF PROPERTIES, PEOPLE!!! PDF v 1.3 on a Mac OSX 10.4? Mac OSX 10.4 was not compatible with PDF v1.3 creation, ONLY TO READ. ACROBAT 4.0 was DISCONTINUED by the time OSX 10.4 came around!!!1!! WHAT GOVT body uses a frickkken MAC?!?!!
WHAR WATERMARK WHAR!!?!1!!

\thank you
 
2012-06-14 04:26:29 PM

Slaves2Darkness: rumpelstiltskin: If the corporations abuse their power, then no one will buy from them and they will go out of business.
The reason you liberals get all panicky is because you believe people are bad by nature. That's not true, so why do you believe it? Because you're bad, and you think everyone else is like you. Fortunately, most of us are good.

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

You know what is sad is that you actually believe this shiat and despite being proven time and time again that corporations can, will, and do abuse their power every day you still believe this crap.


t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-06-14 04:27:01 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Some Beer Snob: Isn't that basically the backstory for Shadowrun?

/DNRTFA

Nah, this is just typical Republicans doing what they do best, selling out US citizens to foreign corporate interests. Don't worry citizen the Job Creators have your best interest at heart.


So by Republicans, do you mean the Obama administration? Because that's who is negotiating this bullshiat.

A critical document from President Barack Obama's free trade negotiations with eight Pacific nations was leaked online early Wednesday morning, revealing that the administration intends to bestow radical new political powers upon multinational corporations, contradicting prior promises.

The leaked document has been posted on the website of Public Citizen, a long-time critic of the administration's trade objectives. The new leak follows substantial controversy surrounding the secrecy of the talks, in which some members of Congress have complained they are not being given the same access to trade documents that corporate officials receive.

"The outrageous stuff in this leaked text may well be why U.S. trade officials have been so extremely secretive about these past two years of [trade] negotiations," said Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch in a written statement.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) has been so incensed by the lack of access as to introduce legislation requiring further disclosure. House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) has gone so far as to leak a separate document from the talks on his website. Other Senators are considering writing a letter to Ron Kirk, the top trade negotiator under Obama, demanding more disclosure.
 
2012-06-14 05:20:39 PM

BullBearMS: Slaves2Darkness: Some Beer Snob: Isn't that basically the backstory for Shadowrun?

/DNRTFA

Nah, this is just typical Republicans doing what they do best, selling out US citizens to foreign corporate interests. Don't worry citizen the Job Creators have your best interest at heart.

So by Republicans, do you mean the Obama administration? Because that's who is negotiating this bullshiat.

A critical document from President Barack Obama's free trade negotiations with eight Pacific nations was leaked online early Wednesday morning, revealing that the administration intends to bestow radical new political powers upon multinational corporations, contradicting prior promises.

The leaked document has been posted on the website of Public Citizen, a long-time critic of the administration's trade objectives. The new leak follows substantial controversy surrounding the secrecy of the talks, in which some members of Congress have complained they are not being given the same access to trade documents that corporate officials receive.

"The outrageous stuff in this leaked text may well be why U.S. trade officials have been so extremely secretive about these past two years of [trade] negotiations," said Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch in a written statement.

Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) has been so incensed by the lack of access as to introduce legislation requiring further disclosure. House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) has gone so far as to leak a separate document from the talks on his website. Other Senators are considering writing a letter to Ron Kirk, the top trade negotiator under Obama, demanding more disclosure.


Way to kill a thread, dude.
 
2012-06-14 05:35:34 PM

StrangeQ: Charlie Freak: The One True TheDavid:

Maybe we should just sell North Dakota to the World Bank or something.

No.

Exactly, Alabama or Mississippi would be better; let somebody else deal with the inbreds.


Hey! You say "inbred" like it's a bad thing!

Actually my parents' families were from different parts of the country.

Except in my grandmother's family, from Page County, VA, cousins had been marrying for about 200 years. There are only 4 or 5 surnames in the graveyard where we buried Grandma, the same ones as when the county was first stolen. So Grandma knew what to do: she imported a farm boy from Iowa. Church pen pal clubs were great things in 1920, kinda like match.com or something.

My father's family's not inbred at all, or wasn't as of 1930 anyway. Rumor has it the brothers were too busy with each other to hop on their sisters if they'd had any. Who says there's only one kind of incest in West Virginia?
 
2012-06-14 05:38:11 PM
rumpelstiltskin:


If the corporations abuse their power, then no one will buy from them and they will go out of business.
The reason you liberals get all panicky is because you believe people are bad by nature. That's not true, so why do you believe it? Because you're bad, and you think everyone else is like you. Fortunately, most of us are good.


1/10. It is possible to under-estimate your audience.

This is Fark, where we dress our girlfriends in pony suits made from cow's hide.
 
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