I can't understand why people use the "they're going to see it anyway" line..

Why don't we give them drugs, because many of them will try it anyways?

In school, you're supposed to learn, and read, and talk. And I think a graphic description of the video should be more than enough to get a proper discussion going, which I hope was the idea of this teacher.

Yes, they'll probably find this stuff themselves on the internet, but that doesn't mean that you should show it to them.
Thanks to the internet and 24/7 News channels, everything can be a "current event".

Fair_Poopsmith: What the fark. People are defending this. By this logic, high school kids should be watching porn in their health class. University level human sexuality class, fine. A university classroom and a public school classroom full of minors aren't just different points on a continuum.

There is a TV show in the UK (Link) it highlights how they teach sex education there (at least for the TV show)......showing actual nude people.....talking about porn and it's unrealistic expectations it places on people, showing teen females the various stages of erections, what women go through during pregnancy, condoms, STDs.....amazingly they don't have the epidemic that the US has with teen pregnancy...amazing huh. We glorify it with Teen Mom and whatever other stupid shows they have about profiting from being a teen harlot.

I dare say it taught them a thing or two about life.

doglover: Back in the day, 14 year old boys were drumming orders and marches for soldiers getting torn to bits by miniball and cannon fire in Virginia. Humans can deal with seeing such things.

As an historian, I have problems with this statement. (1) It's a Minié ball (which is itself contradicted by the fact that it's a conical bullet, not a ball). (2) 14-year-old boys? Actually, they were a lot younger and still playing the drums on the battlefield; should we expose fourth-graders to snuff films too?

Third and finally, I would like to point out that humans really can't deal with seeing such things. Call it shell shock, battle fatigue, or PTSD, but so many people who see such things as people being ripped apart and/or killed have long-lasting (sometimes lifelong) effects. So many showing a snuff film to a group of kids isn't such a bright idea, as those young(er) minds are often more susceptible to "seeing such things."

OhioUGrad: There is a TV show in the UK (Link) it highlights how they teach sex education there

I was expecting the Sex Ed scene from Meaning of Life.

Wonder where he got the film? Not like RedBox has that on file.

Tienes las peliculas de "snuff"?

/not obscure

I can't help think pretty much anyone could have been a better current affairs teacher. Isn't there better, more interesting things going on in the world to talk about?

What kind of moronic teacher actually lets his high school students vote on watching a snuff film? That's just the highest form of stupidity and a true sign this man is not fit to be a teacher.

doglover: Better the school provides such things than let the wander off the bestgore and look it up themselves.

Is that last part in a foreign language? I don't know, Welsh or something?

Only a sub, so he's probably used to being moved on to new victims frequently.

the only thing that went wrong here is that several of the little assholes regretted their decision to watch it after they begged him to show it and he gave them an out. Remember, you're a victim of someone ELSES misdeeds if you regret poor choices you might make that cause you harm. personal responsibility should never have to account for harming yourself :rolleyes:

"At first the teacher didn't want to show it, but because the students wanted to see it, he agreed," said student Jean-François Vautour, 16. "We would have found a way to see it anyways."
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"For sure, at the beginning I found it tough," she said. "But I wasn't traumatized or anything. We see so much these days on TV."

As other people have pointed out here, some of the students expressed an interest in finding it on their own. Perhaps the teacher decided that it would be better to put it in context himself, rather than let them explore the darkest parts of the internet. I also agree that this should be a college- or university-level discussion, but the video itself isn't Open Domain simply because it was released publicly by the KILLER. It belongs to Lin Jun's family.

That being said, I don't think these kids (or just those two?) really understand the difference between reality and fantasy yet. I'm not saying that everyone that put their hand up to vote for watching is a potential psychopath, but I don't think anyone that cares about a human life would volunteer to see it just for the sake of seeing it. I don't think this was about education for these kids; they wanted to be shocked for entertainment.

I don't think the teacher should have showed it. Okay, I'm not a teacher, so perhaps my opinion is invalid, but I think he should have described the video somewhat and discussed why they want to see it in the first place.

I would've explain that this is real. This isn't Hollywood special effects, or CSI, or The Walking Dead. This is a real person, not much older than these kids, being sadistically murdered for no reason other than this person's sick pleasure. This isn't about atrocities committed during war, this is the same voyeuristic impulse that prompted the making and distribution of the video in the first place. Most people these days go their whole lives without ever seeing a murder, let alone a dismemberment or cannibalism. Is it a fact of life in some places in the world, even here? Yes. Can you go to these places where they happen often, be exposed to these awful events, and come out sane enough to help the victims? Yes. Is it for everyone here? Is it for the kids who just want to see something so sensational? Not at all.

And what about Lin Jun? This isn't just a video. It's a video of his murder. What about his privacy? His privacy and human dignity already been violated once by his killer and again when it was filmed and by everyone else who viewed it live. And don't give this BS about wartime video or photos, that's a record of history; it has a purpose that's not simple voyeurism and it wasn't filmed by the killer for entertainment. You wouldn't show Child Porn in class to prevent child sexual abuse. My point is that the video belongs to Lin Jun's family. They should decide if it should be publicly viewed. That people are watching it anyway, from such a horrific source, is disgusting to me.

I would've gotten busted for jerking off.

TsarTom: Why the hell would you show high-schoolers a video of a man being murdered, dismembered, his corpse farked, and then eaten?

Because the students asked for it?

TsarTom: And what the hell is a supply teacher?

A teacher that always gives the students what they want?

I always know I can rely on Fark to come up with the most absurd and illogical arguments possible, and this thread has been no exception.

"Because it's available somewhere to a minority who will seek it out regardless, it should be actively displayed to the majority in a public arena! And because it's a current event, there is no valid discussion on the sensitive nature of the subject matter! It's no different than watching CSPAN! My logic aer smrt!"

Farkers are dumber than youtube commenters sometimes.

serial_crusher: How does a site like BestGore even exist? The authorities shut down kiddy porn sites pretty aggressively, but sites where people post and fap to videos of murders stay up? Seems like that's in the same domain of content that's so godawful you can't possess or distribute it.

Actually, kiddy porn is the exceptional case here. It's the only criminal act that is both illegal to commit AND illegal to distribute video, audio, and pictures of. There are no laws against owning or distributing video of murder, robbery, rape, drug use or animal torture. Just kiddy porn.

I would argue it should be illegal to own or distribute all these materials across the board for anything but academic or law enforcement reasons, but the supreme court relatively recently disagreed and incorrectly decided that the law only applies to some people.

Of course, sites like this could still exist even under those circumstances since there are videos of accidents and whatnot.

Was it Gimme Shelter?

I don't know what setting could be agreed upon to be appropriate to view such a thing, but dammit you have to see and know the tragedy to know what not to do, what to avoid, just how shiatty and farked up things can be if you make the wrong decisions, or take the wrong action.

Sometimes it's that horrific example that people need to stay on the right path.

Knowing how awful things can be, what people are capable of makes peace even sweeter.

Well on a positive note, a whole new generation got to hear New Order - True Faith

Those justifying this in any way prove that we haven't evolved much from Roman times.

/I'm not one for censorship, but any video showing the REAL LIFE death of another human being from non-natural causes should not be shown
//haven't even seen Saddam's execution video

Electrify: Those justifying this in any way prove that we haven't evolved much from Roman times.

/I'm not one for censorship, but any video showing the REAL LIFE death of another human being from non-natural causes should not be shown
//haven't even seen Saddam's execution video

Shown when? Ever? Showing the execution of a notorious dictator on the national news is totally different from some dumbass teacher showing teens "1 Lunatic 1 Icepick" in class because the class voted "yes".

Hey call a conservative prude, but I would consider showing a snuff film to students may not be the best move.

Sure, if kids want to see something, they should totally see it. In school. Because everybody has a right to everything they want. Regardless of how disturbing it is, how pointless it is, or how hurtful it might be to the guy's family to have his death exhibited to a bunch of high school students as if it's entertainment.

I guess we should be grateful the class didn't vote to watch some kid farker's private collection. For the sake of education, of course. And not any other reason that might make everyone involved look like a douche.

I don't know if anyone made the point, but kids at this age often really want an adult perspective on events like this. They are about to enter the adult world, they would like to have adults explain themselves and how they deal with this sort of thing. It's more complex than simply saying "This is wrong and evil."

NutWrench: The day of the screening, the school brought in a crisis team of psychologists who remained for two days and returned on Wednesday after word of the incident surfaced in the media.

Oh, for God's sake, grow up. We see more murders and violence on TV and the Internet before the age of 10 than most folks in the rest of the world see in their entire lives. Don't pretend we can't handle it.

The JFK assassination is the only murder I can think of that I've ever seen on TV. All that shiat in movies and TV shows is not real.

And I don't know about most of the world, but there's some pretty farking violent places (parts of Africa, the Middle East, South America, even Europe have had more violence in my lifetime than I'll ever see on TV and internet and real life combined).

slayer199 When I was in the police academy, I saw some gory videos of crime scenes, suicides, etc. Didn't bother me as we were expected to see that stuff for real when we started working.

or, if you screwed up, you'd BE one of those guys, which is why they show the CHP Newhall morgue photos from that Anderson guy's book to California police academy trainees...

TsarTom: Why the hell would you show high-schoolers a video of a man being murdered, dismembered, his corpse farked, and then eaten? And what the hell is a supply teacher?

According to a disturbing number of people in this thread, not only is it education, but essential, because apparently you can't understand death without seeing a snuff film with cannibalism in it. I suppose that for 99.9+% of human history nobody understood death because we didn't have snuff videos.

There are some colossal trolling idiots in here, plus a few genuinely disturbed asshats. My ignore list went up by about 4 names before posting this.

Doglover, if you are sincere, I hope you get professional help, because you're a goddamn sociopath.

Happy Hours The JFK assassination is the only murder I can think of that I've ever seen on TV. All that shiat in movies and TV shows is not real.

Thanks to Time-Life, nobody saw that 'til 11+ years after the fact when Geraldo Rivera aired a bootleg copy from the Jim Garrison discovery evidence on his ABC talk show Good Night America(to GMA like NBC's Today/Tomorrow shows) Link

I once taught high school in Florida. A student found the video of the American that got beheaded by the Taliban. I spent the weekend configuring an open source proxy server. The rest of the students were furious when they could only get to the book publishers website on Monday. Yes I do have less headaches in IT today.

dready zim: So the adults are all running about worried about their little snowflakes and the kids are all "Meh, we see stuff like this all the time"

ffs, grow up adults!

Yeah, grow up. Don't you know that videos of a guy being killed are just entertainment? No different from American Idol or Paris Hilton's sex tape.

derrrface: Well on a positive note, a whole new generation got to hear New Order - True Faith

lol

cptjeff: According to TFA, it came up in a discussion, and the students asked him to show it. He was reluctant, took a vote, gave a warning that it would be disturbing, and offered those who voted against showing it a chance to leave the room.

The students thought it was appropriate in the context of the class discussion, and are defending him.

What did this guy do wrong again?

He made the mistake of trying to be a good teacher in the Age of Snowflakes.

dready zim: So the adults are all running about worried about their little snowflakes and the kids are all "Meh, we see stuff like this all the time"

ffs, grow up adults!

And guess what? They're kids. We're adults. Our job is to not let them see that, even if they've seen worse, because our job is to teach them what's appropriate and what isn't.

Amazingly enough, this is nowhere near appropriate.

moonage daydream: Electrify: Those justifying this in any way prove that we haven't evolved much from Roman times.

/I'm not one for censorship, but any video showing the REAL LIFE death of another human being from non-natural causes should not be shown
//haven't even seen Saddam's execution video

Shown when? Ever? Showing the execution of a notorious dictator on the national news is totally different from some dumbass teacher showing teens "1 Lunatic 1 Icepick" in class because the class voted "yes".

Okay, I may have overstated my opinion on real life death and film. After all, I'm pretty sure we've all seen the 9/11 attacks replayed on TV numerous times. Still, I believe that exhibiting footage of real life death should be done at the rarest of times, and done at the highest of discretion

The line we have drawn between entertainment and barbarianism is that one is pretend while the other is not. As a society, we can watch as much murder, killings, and gore as we want - as long as it is fantasy. Moving over from fake death to real death for entertainment, or even 'edutainment' will lead our civilization down a very dark and dangerous path.

Do we need to see the Paul Bernardo videos to understand how heinous his crimes were?

Back to 9/11, I still do not feel that showing images and videos of individuals jumping to their deaths from the World Trade Centre to avoid the horrors of being burned alive was appropriate. Not only does it cross a line in my books, I don't see any significant importance to documented these individual tragedies visually - or at least for media broadcast.