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(Major League Baseball)   Abel may not approve, but Cain has something special going into the 9th (Update: first perfect game in Giants' history. Discuss.)   (mlb.mlb.com) divider line 130
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2012-06-14 12:38:01 AM  
Now perfect through 7
 
2012-06-14 12:39:01 AM  
8
 
2012-06-14 12:39:07 AM  
Still perfect through 8, and his wife is farking hot.
 
2012-06-14 12:41:23 AM  

Harv72b: Still perfect through 8, and his wife is farking hot.


roger that

/Cain must be able
 
2012-06-14 12:46:13 AM  
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What's almost as impressive as that:

Through 8 innings Cain has struck out 9 different Astros batters; only Chris Johnson has put in the ball in play every time to the plate.
 
2012-06-14 12:47:45 AM  
Too bad this won't go green... the ninth is going to be epic
 
2012-06-14 12:49:52 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Too bad this won't go green... the ninth is going to be epic


*cough*
 
2012-06-14 12:49:55 AM  
w00t!
1 down
 
2012-06-14 12:51:09 AM  

Moderator: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Too bad this won't go green... the ninth is going to be epic

*cough*


Gracias!

/gotta love a baseball fan Admin :)
 
2012-06-14 12:52:05 AM  
Wait.. I assumed Admin... can Mods greenlite, too?
 
2012-06-14 12:52:10 AM  
i think i cain, i think i can!
 
2012-06-14 12:52:36 AM  
And it's official! Second perfecto of the season.
 
2012-06-14 12:52:38 AM  
Holy shiat, he did it.
 
2012-06-14 12:52:56 AM  
TWO!

/c'mon Matt
 
2012-06-14 12:53:33 AM  
WOOHOO!
 
2012-06-14 12:53:53 AM  
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2012-06-14 12:54:21 AM  
steroids testing is great for pitchers
/lance was banned today!
 
2012-06-14 12:54:31 AM  
Thanks, boss!
 
2012-06-14 12:54:49 AM  
Wow - Quite a play to end that one!!

/9% of all perfect games took place this year
//ever been 2 perfect games one season?
 
2012-06-14 12:55:02 AM  
First perfect game in Giants history...that's amazing.
 
2012-06-14 12:55:19 AM  
Wow.

Pitchers are just dominating this year. Then again, we've been saying that around this time of year every year for a while now.
 
2012-06-14 12:55:48 AM  
sid abel?
 
2012-06-14 12:56:22 AM  
Great, now EVERYONE is pitching perfect games....

/ used to be special
// farking obama and his socialist perfect game policies.
 
2012-06-14 12:56:52 AM  

Harv72b: First perfect game in Giants history...that's amazing.


I'm a little surprised at that myself, and I've been a Giants fan since... well, a long time
 
2012-06-14 12:57:33 AM  

Harv72b: First perfect game in Giants history...that's amazing.


Yes - first after 130 years, nearly 20,000 games.
 
2012-06-14 12:57:37 AM  
Sorry Cain, it's against the Astros. It just doesn't count.
 
2012-06-14 12:57:38 AM  

Harv72b: First perfect game in Giants history...that's amazing.


and they usedta play the Mets!
 
2012-06-14 12:57:46 AM  
baseman was off the bag for the last out
 
2012-06-14 12:58:10 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Wow - Quite a play to end that one!!

/9% of all perfect games took place this year
//ever been 2 perfect games one season?


Last season?
 
2012-06-14 12:58:17 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Wow - Quite a play to end that one!!

/9% of all perfect games took place this year
//ever been 2 perfect games one season?


There were 3 2 a couple of years ago (the Galaraga game was number 3.)
 
2012-06-14 12:59:36 AM  

Doogled: Sorry Cain, it's against the Astros. It just doesn't count.


meh....

/so it gets an Astroix
//put it in the book
 
2012-06-14 12:59:42 AM  
was the ump who blew the call years ago there?
 
2012-06-14 01:00:27 AM  
Also, absolutely insane catch turned in by Gregor Blanco to keep it going in the 7th: Link
 
2012-06-14 01:01:57 AM  
Completely historic game. First Giant in history to pitch one. 22nd in the history of the sport. It's hard not to feel the same thrill of that moment in 2010, to be completely honest.
 
2012-06-14 01:02:55 AM  
What is up with all the PGs and no-hitters?
 
2012-06-14 01:03:36 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com

RIP CAIN
 
2012-06-14 01:03:45 AM  

Ender's: Completely historic game. First Giant in history to pitch one. 22nd in the history of the sport. It's hard not to feel the same thrill of that moment in 2010, to be completely honest.


It was so awesome watching that game and realizing I was watching history be made.
 
2012-06-14 01:05:18 AM  

Trocadero: AliceBToklasLives: Wow - Quite a play to end that one!!

/9% of all perfect games took place this year
//ever been 2 perfect games one season?

There were 3 2 a couple of years ago (the Galaraga game was number 3.)


That's right - Halladay and Braden within 3 weeks of each other - not just no-nos but perfect

I sound fat: Great, now EVERYONE is pitching perfect games....


/it's weird, but there are more possibilities these days: 162 games X 16 is quite a few more games that 154 X 8
//still statistically improbable, since there were zero perfect games 1923 - 1955, i.e., the golden age of baseball, but 8 the last 15 years
 
2012-06-14 01:07:56 AM  

CraicBaby: Ender's: Completely historic game. First Giant in history to pitch one. 22nd in the history of the sport. It's hard not to feel the same thrill of that moment in 2010, to be completely honest.

It was so awesome watching that game and realizing I was watching history be made.


Figures it would be Cain that did it. I figured Lincecum was the most likely until last season, and Cain seemed to be pretty average

/now I understand why Cain got the big contract
 
2012-06-14 01:12:00 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Figures it would be Cain that did it. I figured Lincecum was the most likely until last season, and Cain seemed to be pretty average

/now I understand why Cain got the big contract


No way. Cain was the least supported with runs along with, I believe, MadBum last year. His greatness is in his consistency and the level of that consistency. He gave up one run in two full games at the beginning of this season. I'm just so proud since he's been a Giant his whole, professional life.
 
2012-06-14 01:12:21 AM  
Another one? Jeez
 
2012-06-14 01:13:18 AM  

mikaloyd: Another one? Jeez


they rock our world!
 
2012-06-14 01:15:04 AM  
After that no-hitter a few weeks ago, I seem to recall reading a story on Yahoo! pondering which pitcher would be the next to toss a no-no and unless I'm mistaken the writer put forth Matt Cain as the one most likely to toss the next.
 
2012-06-14 01:15:13 AM  

Harv72b: Also, absolutely insane catch turned in by Gregor Blanco to keep it going in the 7th: Link


Jesus. That was Jimedmondsesque. Cain owes that dude a steak dinner.

That link's been updated, here's a direct one.

I'm a Dodgers fan but I have to tip my cap, props to Cain.
 
2012-06-14 01:17:54 AM  

Ender's: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Figures it would be Cain that did it. I figured Lincecum was the most likely until last season, and Cain seemed to be pretty average

/now I understand why Cain got the big contract

No way. Cain was the least supported with runs along with, I believe, MadBum last year. His greatness is in his consistency and the level of that consistency. He gave up one run in two full games at the beginning of this season. I'm just so proud since he's been a Giant his whole, professional life.


No argument there: Matt has been consistent as hell

/inconsistent offense is another subject, entirely
//Buster seems to have picked up right where he left off, though
 
2012-06-14 01:17:58 AM  

Peaceboy: Harv72b: Also, absolutely insane catch turned in by Gregor Blanco to keep it going in the 7th: Link

Jesus. That was Jimedmondsesque. Cain owes that dude a steak dinner.

That link's been updated, here's a direct one.

I'm a Dodgers fan but I have to tip my cap, props to Cain.


I liked the guy in the water jet pack better
 
2012-06-14 01:19:37 AM  

CraicBaby: Ender's: Completely historic game. First Giant in history to pitch one. 22nd in the history of the sport. It's hard not to feel the same thrill of that moment in 2010, to be completely honest.

It was so awesome watching that game and realizing I was watching history be made.


Absotively, posolutely.
 
2012-06-14 01:21:34 AM  
 
2012-06-14 01:21:48 AM  
As a lifelong Giants fan, I am a very happy man tonight.
 
2012-06-14 01:23:34 AM  

devioustrevor: After that no-hitter a few weeks ago, I seem to recall reading a story on Yahoo! pondering which pitcher would be the next to toss a no-no and unless I'm mistaken the writer put forth Matt Cain as the one most likely to toss the next.


For clarity's sake, I was referencing the Johan Santana no-hitter, not the frankenstein one by half of the Mariners' pitching staff.


\\Not disrespecting multi-pitcher no-no's
\\\They just don't have the same luster as the solo ones.
 
2012-06-14 01:24:18 AM  

Cyberluddite: As a lifelong Giants fan, I am a very happy man tonight.


So much THIS, my friend :)
 
2012-06-14 01:24:53 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Cyberluddite: As a lifelong Giants fan, I am a very happy man tonight.

So much THIS, my friend :)


Oh. Hell. Yes.
 
2012-06-14 01:26:27 AM  
Damn impressive perfecto by Cain. I don't care if it was against the Astros, 14 strikeouts is 14 strikeouts.
 
2012-06-14 01:27:01 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: //Buster seems to have picked up right where he left off, though


This. And Melky is the best acquisition, IMO, since Willy Mays (so far for possible later redaction).
 
2012-06-14 01:27:44 AM  
Really looking forward to watching Verlander top this tomorrow.
 
2012-06-14 01:29:46 AM  
I wonder if all 22 teams who lost perfect games sucked?
 
2012-06-14 01:30:13 AM  
Isn't it great how after a long period of being treated to home runs, we're now treated to an incredible run of perfect games and no hitters?
 
2012-06-14 01:30:17 AM  

Ender's: This. And Melky is the best acquisition, IMO, since Willy Mays (so far for possible later redaction).


With you there... that's beginning to look like a very good trade
 
2012-06-14 01:31:31 AM  

mikaloyd: I wonder if all 22 teams who lost perfect games sucked?


In that particular game, pretty much

/sometimes off days are a team effort
 
2012-06-14 01:33:54 AM  
That last out.(by the way a great play by the 3rd baseman) reminded me of
Pedro Guerrero,the reporter asked him what he was thinking with 2 outs and,
about to win the World Series.He replied 'please Lord do not hit it to me,and
please,please don't hit it to Steve Sax.'

/2nd reference to sax this week

//he was messed up that way
 
2012-06-14 01:36:11 AM  
ERMAHGERD
 
2012-06-14 01:38:48 AM  
i4.photobucket.com

Needs a new 0.1 data point on the right.

So this, plus Santana, plus the Mariners, plus R.A. Dickey getting a one-hitter for the Mets tonight. Wonder how long it'll be before MLB starts tinkering with the strike-zone, mound height and placement or make a "pitchers have to chug one beer per inning" rule?
 
2012-06-14 01:39:13 AM  
No Cain, no gain. What an awesome thing for an incredible guy to accomplish.
Hopefully this will light a fire under Timmy's butt and he'll get back in the groove.
 
2012-06-14 01:40:23 AM  

W.C.fields forever: That last out.(by the way a great play by the 3rd baseman) reminded me of
Pedro Guerrero,the reporter asked him what he was thinking with 2 outs and,
about to win the World Series.He replied 'please Lord do not hit it to me,and
please,please don't hit it to Steve Sax.'

/2nd reference to sax this week

//he was messed up that way


Heh... Trivia: Sax was a Sacramento boy. His folks owned a little bar in Rancho Cordova that he ran for a while. I think he ran it into the ground, too, actually
 
2012-06-14 01:40:44 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

I'm pleased...
 
2012-06-14 01:42:15 AM  

jaylectricity: ow after a long period of being treated to home runs, we're now treated to an incredible run of perfect games and no hitters?


I remember when perfect games were rare, special events. This is the fifth (sixth, really) in the last four seasons. I wonder if they're starting to lose some of their luster.

That said, Cain was incredible tonight. 14 K's must be respected.
 
2012-06-14 01:44:20 AM  
Did he win it with a Tombstone Piledriver?

cdn.bleacherreport.net

/Got nothin'.
 
2012-06-14 01:44:29 AM  
... so basically the 'roids helped hitters more than pitchers, is what you're saying? Makes sense.
 
2012-06-14 01:44:44 AM  

Cyberluddite: As a lifelong Giants fan, I am a very happy man tonight.


So is my mother. She called me when the 9th started to tell me to watch. I was in a bar at the time, where the game was already on, so that was easy.

/0 runs allowed in the post-season. Pretty amazing.
 
2012-06-14 01:45:53 AM  
So at about 8:40, I was at Brennan's Sports Hofbrau in Berkeley, and heard loud cheers uncharacteristic of a baseball game. Suspecting a normal baseball game, I ate and then took the bus to Bart and went home to San Francisco, to find this news! Damn, I mised it but at least saw a tiny snippet.
 
2012-06-14 01:51:07 AM  
I love the pitching wars and I wish I had seen it.
 
2012-06-14 01:51:16 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: W.C.fields forever: That last out.(by the way a great play by the 3rd baseman) reminded me of
Pedro Guerrero,the reporter asked him what he was thinking with 2 outs and,
about to win the World Series.He replied 'please Lord do not hit it to me,and
please,please don't hit it to Steve Sax.'

/2nd reference to sax this week

//he was messed up that way

Heh... Trivia: Sax was a Sacramento boy. His folks owned a little bar in Rancho Cordova that he ran for a while. I think he ran it into the ground, too, actually


My cousin dated him.

/ever since then she devoloped a butch haircut

// I am kidding ,she's straight

///but scared straight
 
2012-06-14 01:55:56 AM  
He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.
 
2012-06-14 01:57:00 AM  

TheAbstractor: [i4.photobucket.com image 573x344]


Includes Gallaraga? WTF ? Why not include all kinds of other *almost perfect* shiat too? Fark it. New rule. 1 hitters are now perfect games.
 
2012-06-14 01:59:33 AM  
22 perfect games in MLB history & 3 of them in the SF Bay Area
 
2012-06-14 01:59:47 AM  

mikaloyd: TheAbstractor: [i4.photobucket.com image 573x344]


Includes Gallaraga? WTF ? Why not include all kinds of other *almost perfect* shiat too? Fark it. New rule. 1 hitters are now perfect games.


Same with one walk no hitters...surely one of the balls was a strike.
 
2012-06-14 02:03:13 AM  

srhp29: This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros


I understand the hate against the Astros because, well...they're the Astros. But just for the record, they're 8th in the NL this season in scoring, 9th in AVG, and 9th in home runs. Not great at all, but they're not the Padres, either.
 
2012-06-14 02:04:29 AM  

srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.


to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...
 
2012-06-14 02:07:40 AM  

hundreddollarman: Did he win it with a Tombstone Piledriver?



/Got nothin'.


Came for the three for penis comment..... Close enough.

/closet fwc member/lurker
 
2012-06-14 02:08:38 AM  

MeinKampfyFark: hundreddollarman: Did he win it with a Tombstone Piledriver?



/Got nothin'.

Came for the three for penis comment..... Close enough.

/closet fwc member/lurker


*three foot
 
2012-06-14 02:10:50 AM  
I was lucky enough to be at AT&T Park 3 years ago on the night that Jonathan Sanchez pitched the first Giants no-hitter in 30+ years. That was a huge thrill. I only watched this one on TV, but this was an even bigger thrill for me, despite the fact that I wasn't there in person.
 
2012-06-14 02:11:38 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Wait.. I assumed Admin... can Mods greenlite, too?


No, they can't, but we do have modmins. Those rare folk who are both admin & moderator.
 
2012-06-14 02:13:03 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Wait.. I assumed Admin... can Mods greenlite, too?

No, they can't, but we do have modmins. Those rare folk who are both admin & moderator.


Can they modmin marry?
 
2012-06-14 02:16:36 AM  

mikaloyd: Bathia_Mapes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Wait.. I assumed Admin... can Mods greenlite, too?

No, they can't, but we do have modmins. Those rare folk who are both admin & moderator.

Can they modmin marry?


Maybe
 
2012-06-14 02:20:01 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: W.C.fields forever: That last out.(by the way a great play by the 3rd baseman) reminded me of
Pedro Guerrero,the reporter asked him what he was thinking with 2 outs and,
about to win the World Series.He replied 'please Lord do not hit it to me,and
please,please don't hit it to Steve Sax.'

/2nd reference to sax this week

//he was messed up that way

Heh... Trivia: Sax was a Sacramento boy. His folks owned a little bar in Rancho Cordova that he ran for a while. I think he ran it into the ground, too, actually


Hah! Hank Greenwald once said at a Giants-Dodgers doubleheader that the between-game entertainment would be a game of catch played by Steve Sax and Johnny Rabb. God, I miss Hank Greenwald.
 
2012-06-14 02:22:05 AM  

A Fark Handle: srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.

to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...


You are right, and since Koufax did it against a bad Cubs team (record wise anyway), I have to give the nod to Cain.
 
2012-06-14 02:24:09 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Wow - Quite a play to end that one!!

/9% of all perfect games took place this year
//ever been 2 perfect games one season?


Last year. Would've been 3 had Joyce put on his glasses.
 
2012-06-14 02:28:29 AM  
Huge congrats to the Work Horse. He has suffered patiently through so many years of no run support and spotty D with no complaints. Great that on his big night he also an amazing team effort with the gloves and bats to put him in record books. Totally deserved.
 
2012-06-14 02:32:20 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: mikaloyd: Bathia_Mapes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Wait.. I assumed Admin... can Mods greenlite, too?

No, they can't, but we do have modmins. Those rare folk who are both admin & moderator.

Can they modmin marry?

Maybe


Marvelous!
 
2012-06-14 02:33:22 AM  
AAAstros
 
2012-06-14 02:44:23 AM  
I said this elsewhere, and I'll say it here too.

Cain has always been sort of the Unsung Hero. On a team with Lincecum and Wilson, he was a solid pitcher who could throw amazing games, but outside of the Bay Area never received the recognition he deserved.

That ended tonight.

By throwing a perfect game, Matt Cain achieved baseball immortality.
 
2012-06-14 02:46:37 AM  
On another baseball note, has anyone else been noticing the absolute tear Bautista has been on the past few weeks? He started really slow, and his average is still crap, but he is now up to 19 HR and 47 RBI.
 
2012-06-14 02:54:22 AM  
Prior to January 20, 2009, in the 132 year history of Major League Baseball there had been 17 perfect games. In just the four seasons since, there have been 5 (6 if you count the guy who got shafted).

From January 20, 2001 to January 20, 2009, there were 13 no-hitters in baseball. In the four seasons since, there've been 16.

Pitching is up.
Hitting is down.
Who's to blame?

OBAMA, OF COURSE!
 
2012-06-14 02:55:40 AM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I said this elsewhere, and I'll say it here too.

Cain has always been sort of the Unsung Hero. On a team with Lincecum and Wilson, he was a solid pitcher who could throw amazing games, but outside of the Bay Area never received the recognition he deserved..


Yep. I've always said--even before Timmy started to suck--that if the Giants absolutely had to win one game and they could have any of their pitchers start that game, Cain would be the guy I would want to see on the mound. He's undoubtedly one of the very best pitchers in the game, and certainly the most underrated.
 
2012-06-14 03:06:53 AM  

Disabled List: I remember when perfect games were rare, special events. This is the fifth (sixth, really) in the last four seasons. I wonder if they're starting to lose some of their luster.


Someone who still remembers statistics can crunch the numbers, but I don't get the sense that the underlying probability of a perfect game has necessarily increased in recent years.

In any event, it's hard to come up with a good reason as to why there'd be more perfect games lately. The average batting average for the 2000s was relatively high, so it's not like pitchers have some sort of systemic advantage. I don't think there are more craptastic glorified AA teams in the majors lately than there were in the 70s and 80s--I know because I spent the 70s and 80s rooting for some of those teams.

The only plausible thing I can think of is that hitters now are much richer and mellower than they were back in the day when they were playing for bus fare and a $50 Wheaties endorsement deal, and so when they get into the 7th or 8th inning, they're not absolutely killing themselves to get on base. Sure, the Astros sucked out loud tonight, but the worst any individual Astro did was go 0-for-3, plus they got to see a perfect game! I think most of them went to bed thinking it'd been a pretty cool day, whereas in the 1950s they'd all have gone home and beaten their wives.
 
2012-06-14 03:50:06 AM  
i will start off by saying that baseboru is not the sport that i normally watch or give a damn about.
That said- wow.
That kind of thing was still waiting in the stands, all this time.
Congrats guy who did it . Good on ya mate .
 
2012-06-14 05:42:09 AM  

semiotix: Disabled List: I remember when perfect games were rare, special events. This is the fifth (sixth, really) in the last four seasons. I wonder if they're starting to lose some of their luster.

Someone who still remembers statistics can crunch the numbers, but I don't get the sense that the underlying probability of a perfect game has necessarily increased in recent years.

In any event, it's hard to come up with a good reason as to why there'd be more perfect games lately. The average batting average for the 2000s was relatively high, so it's not like pitchers have some sort of systemic advantage. I don't think there are more craptastic glorified AA teams in the majors lately than there were in the 70s and 80s--I know because I spent the 70s and 80s rooting for some of those teams.

The only plausible thing I can think of is that hitters now are much richer and mellower than they were back in the day when they were playing for bus fare and a $50 Wheaties endorsement deal, and so when they get into the 7th or 8th inning, they're not absolutely killing themselves to get on base. Sure, the Astros sucked out loud tonight, but the worst any individual Astro did was go 0-for-3, plus they got to see a perfect game! I think most of them went to bed thinking it'd been a pretty cool day, whereas in the 1950s they'd all have gone home and beaten their wives.


You came thisclose to owing me a new keyboard.
 
2012-06-14 06:14:53 AM  
As soon as I heard about this, I knew instantly that ESPN's article would contain either the words "raising" or "able" somehow worked into the headline, and they did not disappoint ('Perfectly Able' is the line). Someone over there must think they are some kind of genius. Hey, Matt Cain did something notable in a game, bust out the bible allusions! Every. farking. time.
 
2012-06-14 06:41:18 AM  

A Fark Handle: srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.

to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...


They are a major league team....just full of minor league players.

/lifelong Astros fan
 
2012-06-14 06:58:42 AM  
ctrl+f "goddamndogassastros"

huh.. none yet..
 
2012-06-14 08:08:54 AM  

TheAbstractor: [i4.photobucket.com image 573x344]

Needs a new 0.1 data point on the right.

So this, plus Santana, plus the Mariners, plus R.A. Dickey getting a one-hitter for the Mets tonight. Wonder how long it'll be before MLB starts tinkering with the strike-zone, mound height and placement or make a "pitchers have to chug one beer per inning" rule?


That's funny you say that because the one per inning is how I play wiffle ball.
 
2012-06-14 08:36:12 AM  
imageshack.us

The pitchers are on fire all over the league this year! This is weird, but really cool!

Congrats, Giant's fans! :-)
 
2012-06-14 08:39:59 AM  

TheAbstractor: So this, plus Santana, plus the Mariners, plus R.A. Dickey getting a one-hitter for the Mets tonight. Wonder how long it'll be before MLB starts tinkering with the strike-zone, mound height and placement or make a "pitchers have to chug one beer per inning" rule?


National League DH.
 
2012-06-14 08:59:20 AM  
Watching the highlights, my main thought was that the third baseman must have been scared out of his freaking mind on that last play.
 
2012-06-14 09:12:10 AM  
Hopefully for the Giants Cain doesn't pull an Humber and start giving up 5+ runs every time out for the rest of the season.

Although Cain has always been an elite pitcher so I doubt that would happen.
 
2012-06-14 09:40:28 AM  

Peaceboy: Harv72b: Also, absolutely insane catch turned in by Gregor Blanco to keep it going in the 7th: Link

Jesus. That was Jimedmondsesque. Cain owes that dude a steak dinner.


He waited till the ball was halfway there before he started taking a circular route to the ball so he could dive?
 
2012-06-14 09:41:17 AM  
i292.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-14 09:42:00 AM  

Cyberluddite: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I said this elsewhere, and I'll say it here too.

Cain has always been sort of the Unsung Hero. On a team with Lincecum and Wilson, he was a solid pitcher who could throw amazing games, but outside of the Bay Area never received the recognition he deserved..

Yep. I've always said--even before Timmy started to suck--that if the Giants absolutely had to win one game and they could have any of their pitchers start that game, Cain would be the guy I would want to see on the mound. He's undoubtedly one of the very best pitchers in the game, and certainly the most underrated.


For several years, I have said Cain's carer will be better than Timmy's. People don't realize that Cain is actually younger than Timmy.
 
2012-06-14 09:56:30 AM  

4NSpy: Wow.

Pitchers are just dominating this year. Then again, we've been saying that around this time of year every year for a while now.


LOWER THE MOUND!!!
 
2012-06-14 09:56:53 AM  

srhp29: A Fark Handle: srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.

to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...

You are right, and since Koufax did it against a bad Cubs team (record wise anyway), I have to give the nod to Cain.


I still think Kerry Woods' 20 strikeout, one hitter is the gold standard for best game pitched. I mean, the hit was an infield single, so it was more bad luck than anything that kept it from being a perfecto.
 
2012-06-14 10:30:24 AM  
One of the top three pitching performances of all time. AWESOME!
 
2012-06-14 11:27:09 AM  

Peaceboy: Harv72b: Also, absolutely insane catch turned in by Gregor Blanco to keep it going in the 7th: Link

Jesus. That was Jimedmondsesque. Cain owes that dude a steak dinner.

That link's been updated, here's a direct one.

I'm a Dodgers fan but I have to tip my cap, props to Cain.


By Jimedmondsesque, you mean that he didn't get there all that quickly and then made a phenomenal play?
 
2012-06-14 11:45:11 AM  

stevie1der: srhp29: A Fark Handle: srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.

to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...

You are right, and since Koufax did it against a bad Cubs team (record wise anyway), I have to give the nod to Cain.

I still think Kerry Woods' 20 strikeout, one hitter is the gold standard for best game pitched. I mean, the hit was an infield single, so it was more bad luck than anything that kept it from being a perfecto.


Well, the HBP would also have kept it from being a perfecto.
 
2012-06-14 11:49:15 AM  

SlagginOff: Well, the HBP would also have kept it from being a perfecto.


Cain very nearly hit a batter in the 9th inning last night. I can't help but wonder how much that guy has been rethinking his pitch-dodging abilities since.
 
2012-06-14 12:36:31 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: [i292.photobucket.com image 450x338]


Matt Cain's hair is a bird....your argument is invalid
 
2012-06-14 12:52:17 PM  
She's saving you a seat, Matt Cain.

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2012-06-14 01:26:09 PM  

jackiepaper: Matt Cain's hair is a bird....your argument is invalid


I love that picture so much.
 
2012-06-14 02:01:51 PM  

bacongood: He waited till the ball was halfway there before he started taking a circular route to the ball so he could dive?


Back in Pittsburgh in the 80s we called that "Andy van Slyking."

"It's a bloop into shallow center field... looks like it'll drop for a hiOH MY GOD ANDY VAN SLYKE COMES OUT OF NOWHERE TO MAKE THE GREATEST CIRCUS CATCH I'VE SEEN SINCE HE DID THE SAME THING LAST INNING!"

Yeah, that's because he was leaning against the fence eating a hot dog when the ball was hit.
 
2012-06-14 02:33:22 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: jackiepaper: Matt Cain's hair is a bird....your argument is invalid

I love that picture so much.


That picture would be so much more awesome if you cropped out Ken Rosenthal. That guy seriously needs to get punched in his stupid face.
 
2012-06-14 02:35:29 PM  

semiotix: In any event, it's hard to come up with a good reason as to why there'd be more perfect games lately. The average batting average for the 2000s was relatively high, so it's not like pitchers have some sort of systemic advantage. I don't think there are more craptastic glorified AA teams in the majors lately than there were in the 70s and 80s--I know because I spent the 70s and 80s rooting for some of those teams.


1) More teams means more games per day. Plus, you have the 154-to-162 games/season transition. By raw numbers, pitchers get more chances.

2) Perfect games aren't about batting average-- they're more about on-base percentage, because walks and HBP ruin them. (Defense also matters a great deal, although Cain did as much as he could to stack the deck in his favor by striking out 14.) The MLB OBP is presently .319, which is very low, historically speaking.

it was .318 in 1988, and you have to go back to pre-DH times to find lower ones. (.299 in 1968 stands out. Ouch.) At the height of the 'roids era, it was around .340.

A few points makes a big difference when you're talking about 27 outs in a row. For example, neglecting errors, the chance of a perfect game is roughly (1-OBP)^27. (In reality, you have to figure for the park, quality of pitcher, quality of opponent, variance of players, etc. But this will get us close.)

A World Where Only Matt Cain Pitches Against the Astros (OBP=255 *): 1 PG per 2,830 games.
A World Where Only Matt Cain Pitches (OBP=294): 1 PG per 12,085 games.
1968: All-time Pitchers' Era (OBP = 300): 1 PG per 15,217 games.
This Year (OBP = 320): 1 PG per 33,285 games.
Peak 'Roids (OBP ~= 340): 1 PG per 74,527 games.

*: The Astros' all-time OBP against Matt Cain. It's awful.

It's still easy to see why they're so rare-- even in a completely dominant match-up like Cain-on-Astros, he could pitch an entire career against them (Cy Young = 815 starts) and not get close to even odds.
 
2012-06-14 03:07:49 PM  
chimp_ninja:

I was allowing for the increase in games and teams. But I guess you're right about OBP vs. BA.

I do still think there might be some pro-PG/NH bias creeping in to the minds of the losing team, or for that matter the official scorers. What the Mets are doing right now to the Rays' official scorer, in their quest to get RA Dickey an ex post facto no-hitter, is going to be weighing on the mind of the next official scorer who has a tough call to make in the 7th inning of the next potential no-hitter.
 
2012-06-14 03:16:03 PM  

stevie1der: srhp29: A Fark Handle: srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.

to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...

You are right, and since Koufax did it against a bad Cubs team (record wise anyway), I have to give the nod to Cain.

I still think Kerry Woods' 20 strikeout, one hitter is the gold standard for best game pitched. I mean, the hit was an infield single, so it was more bad luck than anything that kept it from being a perfecto.


This and Woods' game are both clearly in the disccsion. WHich just points out how awesome the Astros are.
 
2012-06-14 03:23:17 PM  

semiotix: chimp_ninja:

I was allowing for the increase in games and teams. But I guess you're right about OBP vs. BA.

I do still think there might be some pro-PG/NH bias creeping in to the minds of the losing team, or for that matter the official scorers. What the Mets are doing right now to the Rays' official scorer, in their quest to get RA Dickey an ex post facto no-hitter, is going to be weighing on the mind of the next official scorer who has a tough call to make in the 7th inning of the next potential no-hitter.


The issue there is errors are utterly stupid and shouldn't be tracked at all. An error means you were good enough to almost make a play. Being so bad you weren't even close on the same exact play is just a hit.
 
2012-06-14 04:08:10 PM  

Neeek: The issue there is errors are utterly stupid and shouldn't be tracked at all. An error means you were good enough to almost make a play. Being so bad you weren't even close on the same exact play is just a hit.


Another point about PGs is that the strikeout rate is way up these days. This won't show up in the OBP, but with Cain only allowing 13 batted balls in play, he's much less susceptible to errors, and other manifestations of poor defense.

Neeek: The issue there is errors are utterly stupid and shouldn't be tracked at all. An error means you were good enough to almost make a play. Being so bad you weren't even close on the same exact play is just a hit.


I disagree here, by the way. It's true that you have to consider range, but errors can correlate well with a player's "hands" on defense. Some errors occur on otherwise uneventful plays-- the infielder bobbles the transfer, loses a pop-up in the lights, or just plain boots a sharp grounder. The replay will often show a 'bad hop', but a good defender handles most 'bad hops'. Etc.

Even advanced metrics like UZR, +/-, etc. track errors. They just acknowledge that errors are one of several ways poor defense can hurt you.
 
2012-06-14 04:12:44 PM  

semiotix: What the Mets are doing right now to the Rays' official scorer, in their quest to get RA Dickey an ex post facto no-hitter,


They're not doing anything except asking for a review.
 
2012-06-14 04:39:33 PM  

IAmRight: semiotix: What the Mets are doing right now to the Rays' official scorer, in their quest to get RA Dickey an ex post facto no-hitter,

They're not doing anything except asking for a review.


Well... yeah. That's the way you do that. That's what that is.
 
2012-06-14 05:27:06 PM  

IAmRight: semiotix: What the Mets are doing right now to the Rays' official scorer, in their quest to get RA Dickey an ex post facto no-hitter,

They're not doing anything except asking for a review.


This is the baseball no-hitter equivalent of "just asking questions". An MLB organization is asking a very pointed question of a very minor employee of MLB. And having their players talk about it in the media.

On the flip side, whoever the hell heads up the official scorers is probably really leaning on this scorer, because a reversal would set a horrible precedent. Some douchebag who gets a hitting streak snapped will be "just asking questions" about an error. Some fielder who makes his pay with his glove will "just ask some questions" the other way about that error. At some point, some middle reliever in a contract year will be "just asking questions" about who was awarded a Win in a game where the starter didn't last 5.
 
2012-06-14 10:32:27 PM  
There is only one way this could have been better and that's if he would have done it against the Cubs.

Congrats!!!!
 
2012-06-15 08:16:53 AM  

chimp_ninja: An MLB organization is asking a very pointed question of a very minor employee of MLB.


Oh, FFS, y'all are drama queens.

I don't recall players being able to file for reviews of plays.
 
2012-06-16 01:58:07 AM  

stevie1der: srhp29: A Fark Handle: srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.

to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...

You are right, and since Koufax did it against a bad Cubs team (record wise anyway), I have to give the nod to Cain.

I still think Kerry Woods' 20 strikeout, one hitter is the gold standard for best game pitched. I mean, the hit was an infield single, so it was more bad luck than anything that kept it from being a perfecto.


Don't forget it was only like 2 years ago Brendan Morrow had the 17 strikeout 1-hitter vs. Tampa where only three guys got on base and the only hit was an infield single.
 
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