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(Major League Baseball)   Abel may not approve, but Cain has something special going into the 9th (Update: first perfect game in Giants' history. Discuss.)   (mlb.mlb.com) divider line 130
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2012-06-14 08:08:54 AM

TheAbstractor: [i4.photobucket.com image 573x344]

Needs a new 0.1 data point on the right.

So this, plus Santana, plus the Mariners, plus R.A. Dickey getting a one-hitter for the Mets tonight. Wonder how long it'll be before MLB starts tinkering with the strike-zone, mound height and placement or make a "pitchers have to chug one beer per inning" rule?


That's funny you say that because the one per inning is how I play wiffle ball.
 
2012-06-14 08:36:12 AM
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The pitchers are on fire all over the league this year! This is weird, but really cool!

Congrats, Giant's fans! :-)
 
2012-06-14 08:39:59 AM

TheAbstractor: So this, plus Santana, plus the Mariners, plus R.A. Dickey getting a one-hitter for the Mets tonight. Wonder how long it'll be before MLB starts tinkering with the strike-zone, mound height and placement or make a "pitchers have to chug one beer per inning" rule?


National League DH.
 
2012-06-14 08:59:20 AM
Watching the highlights, my main thought was that the third baseman must have been scared out of his freaking mind on that last play.
 
2012-06-14 09:12:10 AM
Hopefully for the Giants Cain doesn't pull an Humber and start giving up 5+ runs every time out for the rest of the season.

Although Cain has always been an elite pitcher so I doubt that would happen.
 
2012-06-14 09:40:28 AM

Peaceboy: Harv72b: Also, absolutely insane catch turned in by Gregor Blanco to keep it going in the 7th: Link

Jesus. That was Jimedmondsesque. Cain owes that dude a steak dinner.


He waited till the ball was halfway there before he started taking a circular route to the ball so he could dive?
 
2012-06-14 09:41:17 AM
i292.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-14 09:42:00 AM

Cyberluddite: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: I said this elsewhere, and I'll say it here too.

Cain has always been sort of the Unsung Hero. On a team with Lincecum and Wilson, he was a solid pitcher who could throw amazing games, but outside of the Bay Area never received the recognition he deserved..

Yep. I've always said--even before Timmy started to suck--that if the Giants absolutely had to win one game and they could have any of their pitchers start that game, Cain would be the guy I would want to see on the mound. He's undoubtedly one of the very best pitchers in the game, and certainly the most underrated.


For several years, I have said Cain's carer will be better than Timmy's. People don't realize that Cain is actually younger than Timmy.
 
2012-06-14 09:56:30 AM

4NSpy: Wow.

Pitchers are just dominating this year. Then again, we've been saying that around this time of year every year for a while now.


LOWER THE MOUND!!!
 
2012-06-14 09:56:53 AM

srhp29: A Fark Handle: srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.

to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...

You are right, and since Koufax did it against a bad Cubs team (record wise anyway), I have to give the nod to Cain.


I still think Kerry Woods' 20 strikeout, one hitter is the gold standard for best game pitched. I mean, the hit was an infield single, so it was more bad luck than anything that kept it from being a perfecto.
 
2012-06-14 10:30:24 AM
One of the top three pitching performances of all time. AWESOME!
 
2012-06-14 11:27:09 AM

Peaceboy: Harv72b: Also, absolutely insane catch turned in by Gregor Blanco to keep it going in the 7th: Link

Jesus. That was Jimedmondsesque. Cain owes that dude a steak dinner.

That link's been updated, here's a direct one.

I'm a Dodgers fan but I have to tip my cap, props to Cain.


By Jimedmondsesque, you mean that he didn't get there all that quickly and then made a phenomenal play?
 
2012-06-14 11:45:11 AM

stevie1der: srhp29: A Fark Handle: srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.

to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...

You are right, and since Koufax did it against a bad Cubs team (record wise anyway), I have to give the nod to Cain.

I still think Kerry Woods' 20 strikeout, one hitter is the gold standard for best game pitched. I mean, the hit was an infield single, so it was more bad luck than anything that kept it from being a perfecto.


Well, the HBP would also have kept it from being a perfecto.
 
2012-06-14 11:49:15 AM

SlagginOff: Well, the HBP would also have kept it from being a perfecto.


Cain very nearly hit a batter in the 9th inning last night. I can't help but wonder how much that guy has been rethinking his pitch-dodging abilities since.
 
2012-06-14 12:36:31 PM

funk_soul_bubby: [i292.photobucket.com image 450x338]


Matt Cain's hair is a bird....your argument is invalid
 
2012-06-14 12:52:17 PM
She's saving you a seat, Matt Cain.

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2012-06-14 01:26:09 PM

jackiepaper: Matt Cain's hair is a bird....your argument is invalid


I love that picture so much.
 
2012-06-14 02:01:51 PM

bacongood: He waited till the ball was halfway there before he started taking a circular route to the ball so he could dive?


Back in Pittsburgh in the 80s we called that "Andy van Slyking."

"It's a bloop into shallow center field... looks like it'll drop for a hiOH MY GOD ANDY VAN SLYKE COMES OUT OF NOWHERE TO MAKE THE GREATEST CIRCUS CATCH I'VE SEEN SINCE HE DID THE SAME THING LAST INNING!"

Yeah, that's because he was leaning against the fence eating a hot dog when the ball was hit.
 
2012-06-14 02:33:22 PM

funk_soul_bubby: jackiepaper: Matt Cain's hair is a bird....your argument is invalid

I love that picture so much.


That picture would be so much more awesome if you cropped out Ken Rosenthal. That guy seriously needs to get punched in his stupid face.
 
2012-06-14 02:35:29 PM

semiotix: In any event, it's hard to come up with a good reason as to why there'd be more perfect games lately. The average batting average for the 2000s was relatively high, so it's not like pitchers have some sort of systemic advantage. I don't think there are more craptastic glorified AA teams in the majors lately than there were in the 70s and 80s--I know because I spent the 70s and 80s rooting for some of those teams.


1) More teams means more games per day. Plus, you have the 154-to-162 games/season transition. By raw numbers, pitchers get more chances.

2) Perfect games aren't about batting average-- they're more about on-base percentage, because walks and HBP ruin them. (Defense also matters a great deal, although Cain did as much as he could to stack the deck in his favor by striking out 14.) The MLB OBP is presently .319, which is very low, historically speaking.

it was .318 in 1988, and you have to go back to pre-DH times to find lower ones. (.299 in 1968 stands out. Ouch.) At the height of the 'roids era, it was around .340.

A few points makes a big difference when you're talking about 27 outs in a row. For example, neglecting errors, the chance of a perfect game is roughly (1-OBP)^27. (In reality, you have to figure for the park, quality of pitcher, quality of opponent, variance of players, etc. But this will get us close.)

A World Where Only Matt Cain Pitches Against the Astros (OBP=255 *): 1 PG per 2,830 games.
A World Where Only Matt Cain Pitches (OBP=294): 1 PG per 12,085 games.
1968: All-time Pitchers' Era (OBP = 300): 1 PG per 15,217 games.
This Year (OBP = 320): 1 PG per 33,285 games.
Peak 'Roids (OBP ~= 340): 1 PG per 74,527 games.

*: The Astros' all-time OBP against Matt Cain. It's awful.

It's still easy to see why they're so rare-- even in a completely dominant match-up like Cain-on-Astros, he could pitch an entire career against them (Cy Young = 815 starts) and not get close to even odds.
 
2012-06-14 03:07:49 PM
chimp_ninja:

I was allowing for the increase in games and teams. But I guess you're right about OBP vs. BA.

I do still think there might be some pro-PG/NH bias creeping in to the minds of the losing team, or for that matter the official scorers. What the Mets are doing right now to the Rays' official scorer, in their quest to get RA Dickey an ex post facto no-hitter, is going to be weighing on the mind of the next official scorer who has a tough call to make in the 7th inning of the next potential no-hitter.
 
2012-06-14 03:16:03 PM

stevie1der: srhp29: A Fark Handle: srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.

to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...

You are right, and since Koufax did it against a bad Cubs team (record wise anyway), I have to give the nod to Cain.

I still think Kerry Woods' 20 strikeout, one hitter is the gold standard for best game pitched. I mean, the hit was an infield single, so it was more bad luck than anything that kept it from being a perfecto.


This and Woods' game are both clearly in the disccsion. WHich just points out how awesome the Astros are.
 
2012-06-14 03:23:17 PM

semiotix: chimp_ninja:

I was allowing for the increase in games and teams. But I guess you're right about OBP vs. BA.

I do still think there might be some pro-PG/NH bias creeping in to the minds of the losing team, or for that matter the official scorers. What the Mets are doing right now to the Rays' official scorer, in their quest to get RA Dickey an ex post facto no-hitter, is going to be weighing on the mind of the next official scorer who has a tough call to make in the 7th inning of the next potential no-hitter.


The issue there is errors are utterly stupid and shouldn't be tracked at all. An error means you were good enough to almost make a play. Being so bad you weren't even close on the same exact play is just a hit.
 
2012-06-14 04:08:10 PM

Neeek: The issue there is errors are utterly stupid and shouldn't be tracked at all. An error means you were good enough to almost make a play. Being so bad you weren't even close on the same exact play is just a hit.


Another point about PGs is that the strikeout rate is way up these days. This won't show up in the OBP, but with Cain only allowing 13 batted balls in play, he's much less susceptible to errors, and other manifestations of poor defense.

Neeek: The issue there is errors are utterly stupid and shouldn't be tracked at all. An error means you were good enough to almost make a play. Being so bad you weren't even close on the same exact play is just a hit.


I disagree here, by the way. It's true that you have to consider range, but errors can correlate well with a player's "hands" on defense. Some errors occur on otherwise uneventful plays-- the infielder bobbles the transfer, loses a pop-up in the lights, or just plain boots a sharp grounder. The replay will often show a 'bad hop', but a good defender handles most 'bad hops'. Etc.

Even advanced metrics like UZR, +/-, etc. track errors. They just acknowledge that errors are one of several ways poor defense can hurt you.
 
2012-06-14 04:12:44 PM

semiotix: What the Mets are doing right now to the Rays' official scorer, in their quest to get RA Dickey an ex post facto no-hitter,


They're not doing anything except asking for a review.
 
2012-06-14 04:39:33 PM

IAmRight: semiotix: What the Mets are doing right now to the Rays' official scorer, in their quest to get RA Dickey an ex post facto no-hitter,

They're not doing anything except asking for a review.


Well... yeah. That's the way you do that. That's what that is.
 
2012-06-14 05:27:06 PM

IAmRight: semiotix: What the Mets are doing right now to the Rays' official scorer, in their quest to get RA Dickey an ex post facto no-hitter,

They're not doing anything except asking for a review.


This is the baseball no-hitter equivalent of "just asking questions". An MLB organization is asking a very pointed question of a very minor employee of MLB. And having their players talk about it in the media.

On the flip side, whoever the hell heads up the official scorers is probably really leaning on this scorer, because a reversal would set a horrible precedent. Some douchebag who gets a hitting streak snapped will be "just asking questions" about an error. Some fielder who makes his pay with his glove will "just ask some questions" the other way about that error. At some point, some middle reliever in a contract year will be "just asking questions" about who was awarded a Win in a game where the starter didn't last 5.
 
2012-06-14 10:32:27 PM
There is only one way this could have been better and that's if he would have done it against the Cubs.

Congrats!!!!
 
2012-06-15 08:16:53 AM

chimp_ninja: An MLB organization is asking a very pointed question of a very minor employee of MLB.


Oh, FFS, y'all are drama queens.

I don't recall players being able to file for reviews of plays.
 
2012-06-16 01:58:07 AM

stevie1der: srhp29: A Fark Handle: srhp29: He also tied the record for most strikeouts in a perfect game, shared with Sandy Koufax.

He threw, on average, better than three strikes per batter.

This may have been the greatest game ever pitched were it not against the Astros.

to be to fair the houston astros are a major league baseball team, even if they don't really seem like it, so i think it counts...

You are right, and since Koufax did it against a bad Cubs team (record wise anyway), I have to give the nod to Cain.

I still think Kerry Woods' 20 strikeout, one hitter is the gold standard for best game pitched. I mean, the hit was an infield single, so it was more bad luck than anything that kept it from being a perfecto.


Don't forget it was only like 2 years ago Brendan Morrow had the 17 strikeout 1-hitter vs. Tampa where only three guys got on base and the only hit was an infield single.
 
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