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(TampaBay.com (St. Petersburg Tim)   Attempting to fight the scourge of homeless people, city officials weld shut the doors to public bathrooms, disconnect power to public outlets. But much like the Velociraptor, the homeless always find a way   (tampabay.com) divider line 142
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2012-06-14 04:37:37 AM  

Confabulat: fusillade762: Confabulat: sweet jeez: The homeless have cellphones ??

When I read comments like this I wonder exactly how out-of-touch with modern reality some Americans really are.

I hear there are poor people who even have stuff like refrigerators and televisions.

And this thread has been great for tagging a couple previously undiscovered Fark Assholes.

To be fair, I bet not many homeless people own a refrigerator.


"Refrigerators" are so 1%
 
2012-06-14 04:57:53 AM  
This article angers me beyond my own belief.

Shutting off bathrooms, water and a hose for drinking/bathing water, and outlets for cell phones then expecting these poor people to get a job??

Are you farking kidding me??

Unbathed, shiatting in a park and having nothing other than an uncharged cell phone are no way to get a job. This is like saving freaking city pennies that people who are down to "I just need pennies to maybe survive" need.

fark this farking city.

Wow America is beat. Just beat.
 
2012-06-14 05:01:39 AM  

Confabulat: fusillade762: Confabulat: sweet jeez: The homeless have cellphones ??

When I read comments like this I wonder exactly how out-of-touch with modern reality some Americans really are.

I hear there are poor people who even have stuff like refrigerators and televisions.

And this thread has been great for tagging a couple previously undiscovered Fark Assholes.

To be fair, I bet not many homeless people own a refrigerator.


I have an apartment that includes one and in 20 or 30 days if I don't pay the rent I won't have one anymore and I am an experienced waiter who can't find a freaking waiting tables job and I am terrified.

I am less than 45 days from no job, no apartment, no fridge ferchrissakes and i am searching hard EVERY DAY.

If you have a job and some savings I promise you: RELISH THAT.
 
2012-06-14 05:05:26 AM  
It costs about 8 cents to recharge a cell phone. What a farking joke.
 
2012-06-14 05:25:12 AM  

SoxSweepAgain: I am less than 45 days from no job, no apartment, no fridge ferchrissakes and i am searching hard EVERY DAY.


Republicans call your constant panic "The American Dream."
 
2012-06-14 06:32:01 AM  
"Crews on Monday welded the restrooms shut..."
Care to see how fast I kick that door down - and piss on anyone's head who gets in my way?
 
2012-06-14 06:38:53 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Anything that harms bums is a good thing.

Solution to the bum problem

1. require a license to conduct an outdoor business within 50 feet of an intersection or highway ramp
2. have cops arrest all the begging bums because none of them will have the license
3. make sure the cops take the bum to a police annex at the edge of town in some godforssaken industrial wasteland, at least a couple of miles from the nearest busstop or public phone
4. make sure that while the bum is being "processed" his cell phone is discharged or otherwise has technical difficulties of a permanent nature
5. after a few long walks back to his bum hideout the bum will eventually realize he isn't wanted and find another town to leech off of

I loved visitng Minnesota because it was a high of 13 all week, no mosquitos or bums


Jesus would be proud.
 
2012-06-14 06:54:00 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: You know you're poor when you save a single kleenex to wipe yourself with after you poop a large Hershey's kiss of a poop in the middle of a dirt road on the railroad tracks. 5th largest city in the country too.

I am blessed but I cannot believe how many of us are a few weeks from hell. Illness, loss of employment, crime, act of Nature...jeebus, hug your loved ones tonight.


Thank you.

I was homeless for three months a few years ago. I went "off the deep end". It was quite an experience. I am now once again a white-collar desk jockey, but I will NEVER forget those three months living in shelters and among the lowest of the low.

My take, having BEEN one:

60-65% +/- of homeless are absolutely cool with being such. It is their way of life.
5% +/- are mentally insane. "Normal" homeless folk tend to shun these ones
15-20% +/- are veterans or retirees just trying to make sh*t work on social security. They don't mind the shelters so much as it allows them to spend the monthly check on drinking and such.
5-10% +/- are randoms, fugitives, people having a breakdown (like me), regular folks having a bad streak
10-15% +/- are drug addicts, and having a home is just very low on their priority list. Drugs (crack mostly) are what they live for.

I saw some seriously crazy things and met some very interesting people. Along the way I asked a lot of questions, and homeless dudes (many of them) love to sit and talk. One day I may write a book. People just have no idea of what the "community" is really like.
 
2012-06-14 07:26:41 AM  

jso2897: Atomic Spunk: Homeless people suck. But you usually have to give them a few bucks or some crack to get them motivated first. Take it from me - you haven't really lived until you've had a blowjob from a woman with no teeth.

Do you really, as a man, feel no disgrace in saying things about people, on the Internet, that you would never have the balls to say to their faces? Because I am pretty sure that youer soft, white, middle-class, sheltered ass would NEVER have the guts to walk up to a homelss person and say that. I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm just saying you are a punk, and less than a man.


Irony? Hypocrisy? Hmm... Take your pick folks.
 
2012-06-14 07:30:39 AM  
SoxSweepAgain:
Unbathed, shiatting in a park and having nothing other than an uncharged cell phone are no way to get a job. This is like saving freaking city pennies that people who are down to "I just need pennies to maybe survive" need.

fark this farking city.

Wow America is beat. Just beat.


In China the totalitarian gov't arrests the homeless or just ignores them without so much as an iron rice bowl. In America the hateful, sneering Evangelicals hoard their tax money and consider the poor to be damned by god. In India and Brazil the destitute and desperate teem everywhere, topped by a tiny minority of comfortable technocrats with dreams of space flight. These are the superpowers of the 21st century, vast temples to avarice and inequality.

So, America is in good bad company.
 
2012-06-14 07:41:48 AM  

SoxSweepAgain: This article angers me beyond my own belief.

Shutting off bathrooms, water and a hose for drinking/bathing water, and outlets for cell phones then expecting these poor people to get a job??

Are you farking kidding me??

Unbathed, shiatting in a park and having nothing other than an uncharged cell phone are no way to get a job. This is like saving freaking city pennies that people who are down to "I just need pennies to maybe survive" need.

fark this farking city.

Wow America is beat. Just beat.


You should see the public restrooms at the downtown public bus terminal here in Las Vegas come dawn.

Literally hundreds of people crowded into tiny public restrooms trying to clean themselves. It's like something from out of the subconscious of India.
 
2012-06-14 08:27:16 AM  
The "Homeless" panhandlers were a serious problem in Pinellas. Granted, a certain percentage were actually homeless in the real sense, but a majority were not sleeping on the street homeless. They had homes, or at least places to stay. But every damn intersection had one on each corner, flying a sign, looking for a handout. And they were very aggressive. They would get ugly if you didn't hand over some dough, or indignant if you did, but didn't give as much as they expected.

St. Pete city hall was an open sewer. They pissed on the steps and the whole place stank of urine. Williams Park was virtually a homeless mecca, Every bench had a bum sleeping on it. You could not walk downtown without being harrassed by aggessive panhandlers.

Then Pinellas passed a law and all the panhandlers went to Tampa. The law did affect people selling the Newspaper, as well as the Fire department when they did fundraisers, but it got the panhandlers off the corners. It didn't take Tampa long to see what a nightmare it was to have bums panahandling in every intersection, so they made them get a permit and buy a reflective jacket. It has cut down on the issue, but they found a way around it by selling some homeless advocate paper some guy gives them to sell for $1.
 
2012-06-14 08:56:01 AM  

krafty420: Funny how solutions to fighting the homeless problem never include putting an end to homelessness


I think your statement is the main cause of the problems.

There is no "end" to the problem. It will always be with us for as long as people reproduce there will always be a new batch of poor, sick, destitute, and homeless. We need to grow up as a society and just budget for it. It is one of those things that you say, "Ok, we are going to do this until a better treatment becomes available." It is just like budgeting for roads, police, or firefighters. Although certain members of our population are fighting against these groups as well.

Everyone also needs to realize that a large percentage of the homeless are veterans. I did not realize just how large, which is ironic since I have been homeless multiple times during my life and I am a veteran. There are some great programs at VA hospitals (that I just found out about) that I wish were available to all citizens. The Domiciliaries are amazing places that provide housing, food, life skills training, mental and physical healthcare, and more. I have experienced socialized healthcare and I think it is great! More people need to be aware of what is out there and not to be so ashamed as to ask for help.
 
2012-06-14 09:00:26 AM  
www.anomalousmaterial.com

What do you mean "THEY got into the bathrooms "? How could they get into the bathrooms, man? They're bums!
 
2012-06-14 09:02:14 AM  

Confabulat: sweet jeez: The homeless have cellphones ??

You can buy a cell phone for dirt at most convenience stores you know.


In Florida (and I believe most other states) you can get a free couple-generations-old phone with a limited amount of minutes per month if you're receiving any kind of public assistance. The program is specifically targeted at the homeless and the working poor.
 
2012-06-14 10:37:32 AM  

Confabulat: sweet jeez: The homeless have cellphones ??

You can buy a cell phone for dirt at most convenience stores you know.


They get free cell phones from the government. Problem is, the program is for poor folks, not homeless. You have to have a residential address to get the free phone. Agency I know with pretends they are a rooming house and gives fictitious apartment numbers.
 
2012-06-14 10:44:43 AM  

Confabulat: fusillade762: Confabulat: sweet jeez: The homeless have cellphones ??

When I read comments like this I wonder exactly how out-of-touch with modern reality some Americans really are.

I hear there are poor people who even have stuff like refrigerators and televisions.

And this thread has been great for tagging a couple previously undiscovered Fark Assholes.

To be fair, I bet not many homeless people own a refrigerator.


Our church was out a 6am today exchanging freezer packs for the homeless folks' coolers.
 
2012-06-14 11:22:40 AM  

Felix_T_Cat: Our church was out a 6am today exchanging freezer packs for the homeless folks' coolers


THIS is the kind of thing churches should be doing. Thank you.
 
2012-06-14 12:11:12 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: sweet jeez: The homeless have cellphones ??

Would you prefer the homeless find jobs so they can not be homeless anymore?

/goddamn cellphone was a top priority if I was going to find a frikkin job
//rule 1: you CANNOT appear to be homeless or you will NOT get a job


I lived out of a van for 6 months while holding down my job so I am getting a kick out of these replies.

And, yes, Rule #1 is Rule #1. Rule #2 is communication and transportation (or location), and I would say that Rule #3 is keeping sane.

Seems crazy to me that things like drinking water, charging cellphones, and sleeping are listed right long with things like drug use and prostitution in the article, with no distinction.

"Drug use, sleeping and prostitution", Oh my!
 
2012-06-14 12:24:13 PM  

ModernLuddite: This is the place where they were arresting high school kids for having the audacity to give food away for free to the homeless.

(Food Not Bombs, incidentally, was giving away so much food because they shut down every single bloody soup kitchen.)

I love Florida.


...motherfarking hell. Just when I think I've seen the lowest humankind can sink.

/Is it REALLY too much for them to just provide a nursing home for the mentally ill? Because that's the typical homeless person.
 
2012-06-14 12:29:17 PM  
The people in question have obviously found ways to survive without working.

Take away the enabler, or the codependent will remain codependent.
 
2012-06-14 12:41:51 PM  
sweet jeez:

The homeless have cellphones ??

See, for the past dozen years or so there have been cheap cell phones you can buy. In discount stores, drug stores, etc. For like $10-20. TracFone (link) and Net10 (link) so on. That you don't need a contract or an address to buy. That you can buy airtime cards for, like 30 minutes for $10, etc.

Don't you know anything??? Which turnip truck did you just fall out of?
 
2012-06-14 12:54:26 PM  
Optimus Primate
I saw some seriously crazy things and met some very interesting people. Along the way I asked a lot of questions, and homeless dudes (many of them) love to sit and talk. One day I may write a book. People just have no idea of what the "community" is really like.

Do it. Do it now. Then mail a free copy to every lawmaker in the country. It's much harder to sweep someone under the rug if they've been given a human face.

Based on my observations in Vancouver about 10 years ago, I figured the breakdown was 1/3 crazy people, 1/3 addicts, and 1/3 people who had been kicked in the balls by life one too many times. Your numbers are undoubtedly much more accurate.

There was one guy who hung around the UBC campus who clearly had some mental problems. He'd sit on a park bench and bob back and forth with his hand to his ear. I watched him deteriorate over the course of a summer...and did nothing about it, because I'm part of the lazy majority that's fine with talking about the problem but can't be arsed to actually help solve it (kudos to whoever was handing out cold packs upthread).
 
2012-06-14 01:53:08 PM  
olddinosaur

The people in question have obviously found ways to survive without working.

Take away the enabler, or the codependent will remain codependent.



Support Al-Queda. Destroying the country will stop the homeless.
 
2012-06-14 01:54:18 PM  
RanDomino:

Confabulat
You can buy a cell phone for dirt at most convenience stores you know.

I hear there's a program that gives homeless people a free cell phone with like 250 minutes. Probably so they can be tracked via GPS.


Possible CSB:

I got one of those when I couldn't afford a TracFone any more. (You have to keep buying minutes even if you haven't used up the last bit or the brick the SIM.) I'm not sure if the hardcore homeless can get one though, I think you'd need an address:

Who is eligible to receive Access Wireless phone?

Individuals may qualify for Lifeline service if they participate in a public assistance programs such as Food Stamps, Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP), National Free School Lunch, Federal Housing/Section 8 Assistance, or if they do not receive any of these public assistance programs, they may also qualify based on total household gross monthly income.


As far as I know each of these above gov't programs requires you be living indoors someplace. At least officially. Especially Food Stamps and Section 8.

Anyway. It's a government program, with several service providers. I got this one because for a few months every time I used my SNAP card in the self-checkout at Kroger the little coupon printer kept giving me a personal invitation.

You can get 150 free minutes that roll over every month plus the option to buy more -- like 100 voice minutes and 10 Days of Unlimited Text for $10 -- or you can get 250 free minutes per month that don't roll over to the next one.

I got the latter plan because I don't hear well enough to use a phone comfortably even with a hearing aid (that I got free from a charity thing, BTW) and there aren't many people who want to hear from me anyway; I use it mainly for text messages, like to tell the ex where the dog dragged me to this time and about when he might let me take him home. (Puppy whipped? Me?) It's also good for emergencies if I ever have one, and yesterday I called my sister who has a VERY LOUD clear voice in a range I hear easily.

So I seldom use more than 50 of the free minutes, and so every so often they send me a text saying I have to use my phone "regularly" or they'll cut me off. Heh. So if somebody, say a homeless person, ever did ask to use my phone I might well say "Sure. 20 minute limit, nothing illegal, just bring it back when you're done." (Unless of course that's illegal!!!)

The free phone is, as you'd expect, VERY basic: I got an LG 101 "candy bar" with no camera or video, no QWERTY but a telephone keypad and no touch screen. There's no voice mail, and the only web access that's included is a balance check and a simple weather report (temperature, humidity, abbreviated forecast, and a cute picture telling you whether it's sunny or not), though you can buy web access.

They keep a record of every number you call or text, but there's an option in Setup to turn GPS on so maybe it's not turned on by default. Or maybe that's what They want us to think. But yes, I do automatically associate cell phones with GPS, and recording conversations in the room, and... So I usually keep it turned off when I'm not actively using it. Hardcore paranoids take the battery out too, but since I publicly retired as Revolutionary Messiah a few months before "9/11" (hence they can't blame THAT on me) I take it for granted they're not too busy on my behalf. (Though of course if I convert to Islam that might change.)

But anyway. I know, I know: TL;DR, TMI, STFU.

Oh. By the way. I'm thinking of actually bothering to blog or go back to updating my old LiveJournal or something; is there anybody out there who'd intentionally read my genius-like drivel instead of finding it "gifted" in Fark comments? I really really really miss Usenet circa 1997. (EIP, natchurly.)
 
2012-06-14 01:59:37 PM  

SoxSweepAgain: Confabulat: fusillade762: Confabulat: sweet jeez: The homeless have cellphones ??

When I read comments like this I wonder exactly how out-of-touch with modern reality some Americans really are.

I hear there are poor people who even have stuff like refrigerators and televisions.

And this thread has been great for tagging a couple previously undiscovered Fark Assholes.

To be fair, I bet not many homeless people own a refrigerator.

I have an apartment that includes one and in 20 or 30 days if I don't pay the rent I won't have one anymore and I am an experienced waiter who can't find a freaking waiting tables job and I am terrified.

I am less than 45 days from no job, no apartment, no fridge ferchrissakes and i am searching hard EVERY DAY.

If you have a job and some savings I promise you: RELISH THAT.



Sign up for food stamps and welfare now. Some places have emergency rent payment for first-timers. Swallow your pride and do it. Worst they can tell you is "no", at which point you prepare to be homeless.

Put clean clothing, towels and food in your car. Example: peanut butter, cheap bread and a twelve pack of soda. Any store in the nation, from Wal-Mart to Whole Foods, will carry these items for less than six bucks.
 
2012-06-14 02:35:14 PM  
Keizer_Ghidorah:

Let's just skip to the "scooping them up in trucks and turning them into Soylent Green" step, farking hell.

Actually as depicted in the movie the dying process ain't so bad: you get put to sleep like the cancerous ferret we couldn't bear to watch suffer any more, but with clean sheets and even a music video. I might well volunteer for that myself.

But no damn scoops. You don't need 'em: pull some old school buses up to where peculiar people congregate and tell the homeless folks all about this new shelter out in the country with lots of fresh air, treatment for whatever ails ya, a swimming pool, a basketball court, and gentle ponies to pet and ride on. And even free puppiez!1! You know, FEMA could get some defense contractors to build it and have it administered by one of the private firms that own & run half of Kentucky's prisons. And Purina could conveniently open a big new plant just down the road a piece.

Just unload the buses gently and politely usher the new clients into the Reception and Diagnostic Center, where you tell them about this new blood analyzing technique that'll tell the doctors how to help them. And of course there's a new IV medication that will cure their cravings, and in the process they can even sell plasma from the other arm. "Now if you'll just lie down on your back and place your arms into the padded supports..."

This could solve our rural counties' huge economic problems as well as clean up our bum-infested cities. It's every good Kentuckian's public duty to impress this idea on their elected representatives. Hell, put one down in McCracken County near Paducah and you can serve a multi-state area that includes not only Lexington but also St. Louis, Louisville, Nashville, Memphis, Cincinnati, maybe even Little Rock and Indianapolis.

Just think, several major metro areas made derelict-free!!

"Kitten Chow is crackheads! KITTEN CHOW IS CRACKHEADS!!"
 
2012-06-14 02:36:42 PM  
fusillade762:


And this thread has been great for tagging a couple previously undiscovered Fark Assholes.


Don't look at me, I never pretended to be anything but.
 
2012-06-14 02:50:13 PM  
Too_many_Brians:

There is no "end" to the problem. It will always be with us for as long as people reproduce there will always be a new batch of poor, sick, destitute, and homeless.

The answer is fewer people.

Compulsory sex education, free birth control, abortion on demand, doctor-assisted suicide, benefits (tax credits, cash, marijuana ration cards) for sterilization or Norplant, voluntary euthanasia, compulsory sterilization for people carrying certain undesirable genes (I'm thinking cystic fibrosis not judeo-bolshevism), ending the long appeals process for the death penalty and making lots of stupid crimes of violence eligible for it, etc.

You don't even have to go all nazi about it, just introduce a few public-spirited measures at a time with lots of good press planted in say Salon, HuffPo and Slate.

If we address overpopulation we can eliminate its side-effects.
 
2012-06-14 03:04:40 PM  

Valarius: SoxSweepAgain:


I am less than 45 days from no job, no apartment, no fridge ferchrissakes and i am searching hard EVERY DAY.

If you have a job and some savings I promise you: RELISH THAT.

Sign up for food stamps and welfare now. Some places have emergency rent payment for first-timers. Swallow your pride and do it. Worst they can tell you is "no", at which point you prepare to be homeless.


And if you do become homeless go back and say "I told ya! Now can you help me?" In my experience most such case workers, even in big cities where they're worked half to death (SF, LA, NYC), are decent people who'll be nice to you when you're nice to them. It is their job to help people.

People who break the rules in a really stupid way (like selling their benefit cards for drug money) and who respond by verbally abusing and threatening the case workers should be quickly put down. If you're lucky enough to get benefits that you're unlucky enough to need you should meet 'em about half-way: e.g., it doesn't hurt me to show the worker a copy of my electric bill and because I pay one my food allowance goes up a few bucks.
 
2012-06-14 04:04:28 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Too_many_Brians:

There is no "end" to the problem. It will always be with us for as long as people reproduce there will always be a new batch of poor, sick, destitute, and homeless.

The answer is fewer people.

If we address overpopulation we can eliminate its side-effects.


As a former homeless person, I just don't see it as such a simple problem. We have so much excess in our society that we could easily absorb our numbers. Yeah, things would be easier with fewer but not much. You will always have mutations. My family is solid taxpayers as was I ,when I held a job; but we also have psychological issues. Mine just happened to build and cause such a crack that I am now labeled as a disabled vet. These things happen. We just need to plan for these events and not get so angry and freaked out over having to take care of someone.

To retouch on my original point, do you realize how much we waste in terms of fertilizers, products, energy, time, pollution, and wasted space on just lawn care? That is a symbol of the worst in America for me. And normally the people with the most manicured yards are the least welcoming to those that have had any sort of hardship. Fresh vegetables could be had for free by everyone if just a small percentage of lawn care was turned to food production. With modern technology life could be good for all.
 
2012-06-14 04:36:54 PM  

The One True TheDavid: fusillade762:

And this thread has been great for tagging a couple previously undiscovered Fark Assholes.

Don't look at me, I never pretended to be anything but.


I wasn't referring to you with that one. Though you did get yourself a pale shade of red for the BDSM thread ;)
 
2012-06-14 06:07:58 PM  

Confabulat: I got written up at work today and about had a panic attack. I'm always two weeks away from disaster. It's weird that as our nation's economy deteriorates, we've grown more hostile to our poor. You'd think the opposite would be true.


Unthinking fear, and the realization that none of us are all that much better than the worst of us does strange things to weak, shallow, selfish people...instead of learning a little humility or patience, they just get defensive and become even bigger assholes.

You don't have to let that happen to you, no matter how rough it gets. Good luck at work.
 
2012-06-14 06:09:45 PM  

Atomic Spunk: jso2897: Atomic Spunk: Homeless people suck. But you usually have to give them a few bucks or some crack to get them motivated first. Take it from me - you haven't really lived until you've had a blowjob from a woman with no teeth.

Do you really, as a man, feel no disgrace in saying things about people, on the Internet, that you would never have the balls to say to their faces? Because I am pretty sure that youer soft, white, middle-class, sheltered ass would NEVER have the guts to walk up to a homelss person and say that. I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm just saying you are a punk, and less than a man.

I'm neither white nor soft. I am quite sheltered. Middle class? Hah! Cut my net worth and earnings by 80%, then maybe.

I wouldn't say that to the face of a homeless person because I don't like to be within smelling distance of any of them.

Oh, by the way:
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Fark you, dogshiat.
 
2012-06-14 06:52:17 PM  
how about we hang the lawers and lock up the crazy people in mental wards and put the drunks to work on p-farms. then we see how bad the homeless situation is then and address it.
 
2012-06-14 06:57:49 PM  
Crazy people defined:
Any mental disorder in the DSM9 that keeps a person from functioning (job house food)
TV preachers
HOA board members
Drunks defined
all farkers
and person who drinks and cannot function (see above)

Lawers: see SH!@T
 
2012-06-14 07:38:22 PM  
Unfortunately it takes away amenities the rest of us use too. Good luck finding a place to pee in many large cities. I hardly ever go to downtown Seattle unless I'm visiting a specific business.
 
2012-06-15 12:22:52 AM  

croesius: Maybe I am missing the magnitude of this problem, but has it really come to welding?

The sheer amount of work and care that had to go into that is really overkill. First of all, you need to properly grind down both surfaces you intend to weld. None of that namby-pamby "grind just the door" crap. And I'm talking grinder disc AND flap sander. Can't even do that without the electric outlet to which they so thoughtfully cut power.
And then, what kind of welding really says "Screw the destitute"?
Tig? No way. Too fancy, what with all their foot pedals, coated rods, and carefully honed tungsten.
Mig? Dream on. Pull a trigger, and your problem just fills and seals itself. Way too easy for the anti-1st amendment gun haters.
Now STICK welding, that's the way to get 'em. Grab your rod, the thicker the better, and give it the juice! Thrust it straight in the crease, and watch that thick, thick slag just pool up around your sizzling hot piece.


And use 7014. No bum could break that weld. I have seen bums break 6013 but never 7014.

/former certified welder
 
2012-06-15 12:09:26 PM  
Too_many_Brians wrote back:

(me) If we address overpopulation we can eliminate its side-effects.

As a former homeless person, I just don't see it as such a simple problem. We have so much excess in our society that we could easily absorb our numbers.


I've been homeless a few times myself and one check away the rest.

But I'm not only thinking in terms of our comparatively rich society. I'm thinking about all the billions on the planet: if one believes the numbers Earth's population has doubled in 40 years and will double again in my expected lifetime. Most of these people are very poor compared to today's Cleavers of suburbia, and all of us together are creating huge problems for our plant's ecosystem and for each other.

Note that my suggestions -- "[c]ompulsory sex education, free birth control, abortion on demand, doctor-assisted suicide, benefits (tax credits, cash, marijuana ration cards) for sterilization or Norplant, voluntary euthanasia, compulsory sterilization for people carrying certain undesirable genes (I'm thinking cystic fibrosis not judeo-bolshevism), ending the long appeals process for the death penalty and making lots of stupid crimes of violence eligible for it, etc." -- aren't aimed at any one group of people. The context of this thread is homelessness in the USA, but the numbers of the very rich could stand to be reduced as well.

The Earth has too damn many of us on it.


Fresh vegetables could be had for free by everyone if just a small percentage of lawn care was turned to food production. With modern technology life could be good for all.

True, more or less. If we all stopped eating meat, fish, milk, coffee, tea, sugar and grain; if we gave up personal vehicles; if we stopped devoting so much of our wealth to blowing each other up; etc. etc. etc.

But it's not likely to happen. Take your points about "how much we waste in terms of fertilizers, products, energy, time, pollution, and wasted space on just lawn care" and "normally the people with the most manicured yards are the least welcoming to those that have had any sort of hardship," for example: this is an example of our biggest flaw as a species, by and large we're stupid and petty. As is the city of Clearwater's measures against the homeless, the hatred of the homeless expressed in this thread, and the bad behavior of many of homeless people themselves.

In principle, in moral conviction, I'm in anarchist. But the kind of world I envision is simply not possible with 8 billion people stripping the oceans of fish and blowing each other up for having the "wrong" holy scripture or a different interpretation of it. The natural pettiness and stupidity our species is prone to gets magnified and metastasized because of our numbers.

So I've had to de-emphasize certain aspects of anarchist teaching until we've brought our numbers down, raised the real quality of life for the rest, and educated the vast majority of those of us who remain in simple concepts -- like freedom, responsibility, cooperation and fairness -- for half a dozen generations.

For example, those people who insist that Obama is a socialist and who agitate and vote accordingly -- and who refuse to even read the handful of definitions of "socialism" that will show Obama does not qualify -- might as well be take out and shot. You can't even say, as you can about the Talibanists, that their problem is ignorance: they have dozens of dictionaries, encyclopedias and textbooks that they're capable of reading yet they refuse to, and if you hold an encyclopedia open to the entry on socialism out to them and ask them to please read it a great many of them will become upset and threaten you with violence. And they claim that welding park lavatory doors shut is a wonderful way to address "the homelessness problem" -- and they raise their children to be like them.

The harm they do outweighs their contribution to society, and they refuse to consider rehabilitating themselves. So it strongly violates anarchist ethics to suggest that they be sterilized by force if not simply rounded up and turned into cat food, but we simply can't afford another 100 years of domination by them and the politicians and preachers that "lead" them. Sometimes, as many of their own "prophets" say on the radio, "you've got to fight fire with fire."
 
2012-06-15 12:34:45 PM  

fusillade762: The One True TheDavid: fusillade762:

And this thread has been great for tagging a couple previously undiscovered Fark Assholes.

Don't look at me, I never pretended to be anything but.

I wasn't referring to you with that one. Though you did get yourself a pale shade of red for the BDSM thread ;)


If you say so. I see that as 'I should know better than to try to educate a bunch of silly perverts.'
 
2012-06-15 03:08:19 PM  

saturn badger: croesius: Maybe I am missing the magnitude of this problem, but has it really come to welding?

The sheer amount of work and care that had to go into that is really overkill. First of all, you need to properly grind down both surfaces you intend to weld. None of that namby-pamby "grind just the door" crap. And I'm talking grinder disc AND flap sander. Can't even do that without the electric outlet to which they so thoughtfully cut power.
And then, what kind of welding really says "Screw the destitute"?
Tig? No way. Too fancy, what with all their foot pedals, coated rods, and carefully honed tungsten.
Mig? Dream on. Pull a trigger, and your problem just fills and seals itself. Way too easy for the anti-1st amendment gun haters.
Now STICK welding, that's the way to get 'em. Grab your rod, the thicker the better, and give it the juice! Thrust it straight in the crease, and watch that thick, thick slag just pool up around your sizzling hot piece.

And use 7014. No bum could break that weld. I have seen bums break 6013 but never 7014.

/former certified welder


I like the cut o' yer jib there. I'd go 6010 myself, get that deep penetration.
 
2012-06-15 10:34:13 PM  

croesius: saturn badger: croesius: Maybe I am missing the magnitude of this problem, but has it really come to welding?

The sheer amount of work and care that had to go into that is really overkill. First of all, you need to properly grind down both surfaces you intend to weld. None of that namby-pamby "grind just the door" crap. And I'm talking grinder disc AND flap sander. Can't even do that without the electric outlet to which they so thoughtfully cut power.
And then, what kind of welding really says "Screw the destitute"?
Tig? No way. Too fancy, what with all their foot pedals, coated rods, and carefully honed tungsten.
Mig? Dream on. Pull a trigger, and your problem just fills and seals itself. Way too easy for the anti-1st amendment gun haters.
Now STICK welding, that's the way to get 'em. Grab your rod, the thicker the better, and give it the juice! Thrust it straight in the crease, and watch that thick, thick slag just pool up around your sizzling hot piece.

And use 7014. No bum could break that weld. I have seen bums break 6013 but never 7014.

/former certified welder

I like the cut o' yer jib there. I'd go 6010 myself, get that deep penetration.


Ah, the fast freeze and whipping rod.

Nice call.
 
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