The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

I'm not. As long as the ID's are provided free of charge and are easily accessible.

Otherwise you're just creating a poll tax and making people have to pay in order to vote. Which is just wrong in any western democracy, especially here in the US.

As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

Unfortunately, Florida is the state in question and Florida does not provide free ID. The cheapest photo ID you can get in Florida requires, I believe, $10, and a couple of utility bills in your name to prove your address. Which, if your name isn't on the utilities... yeah, you're just hosed. Who wouldn't have their name on utilities? People in Section 8 housing where it's included. So, poor people. Same poor people who sometimes can't afford the $10 ID. So, who does that benefit when the poor can't vote?

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

I'm not. As long as the ID's are provided free of charge and are easily accessible.

Otherwise you're just creating a poll tax and making people have to pay in order to vote. Which is just wrong in any western democracy, especially here in the US.

As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

Since you're so fond of Indiana's law, I decided to look it up.

You need to take at least 4 pieces of documentation to your local motor vehicle dept to qualify for a free voter ID. A birth certificate (or various other forms of ID, all of which cost money to obtain) to verify that you are who you say you are and that you have a right to vote, two pieces of identification to document that you're a current resident, and a social security card/W2/1099 to confirm you have a valid social security number. If you're missing even one document, no ID for you.

If you've just turned 18 and live with your parents and have never held a job, or if you're an elderly person who doesn't have a birth certificate copy, or if you've just moved to the state then I don't see how it's possible to obtain an ID. Add to this the time it takes to go to the DMV to get things done (time being a cost in and of itself) and I don't understand how this law got upheld.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

And as you've failed to cite before.

BTW: "Most" would indicate 26 states or more, so start working on it...

Mercutio74: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: CPennypacker: coeyagi: I wonder if the sequel to Angry Birds is going to be Angry Trolls.

He's just bent out of shape because that last burn I had on him broke the sound barrier

You give yourself far too much credit.

Looks like you done been reverse-trolled, son.

Most fun I've had in this tab in weeks

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: [snip]

So, random question: did you take a look at my numbers from this comment yet? I'm curious what you think about the odds of the people listed being truly ineligible to vote that I calculated.

Peggy is a little confuse...

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii is paid Republican troll, yes?

CPennypacker: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: CPennypacker: coeyagi: I wonder if the sequel to Angry Birds is going to be Angry Trolls.

He's just bent out of shape because that last burn I had on him broke the sound barrier

You give yourself far too much credit.

Quiet troll. You are in no position to judge the intensity of the burn I let loose upon you.

LOL! At least you're good for a laugh.

Stile4aly: I don't understand how this law got upheld.

You mean you don't understand from a legal point of view, or you don't understand from a political reality point of view? :D

LordStormes: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

I'm not. As long as the ID's are provided free of charge and are easily accessible.

Otherwise you're just creating a poll tax and making people have to pay in order to vote. Which is just wrong in any western democracy, especially here in the US.

As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

Unfortunately, Florida is the state in question and Florida does not provide free ID. The cheapest photo ID you can get in Florida requires, I believe, $10, and a couple of utility bills in your name to prove your address. Which, if your name isn't on the utilities... yeah, you're just hosed. Who wouldn't have their name on utilities? People in Section 8 housing where it's included. So, poor people. Same poor people who sometimes can't afford the $10 ID. So, who does that benefit when the poor can't vote?

You want a list?

Rove
Romney
Steele
Cantor
Scott
McConnell
Kyl
Rubio
Inhofe
Graham
Bachmann
Ryan
Walker
McDonnell
Etc Etc Etc

Rapmaster2000: Yeah, but he really sticks it to the libs.

Did you see the recent TDS segment on the Wisconsin recall election?

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Conservatives want a government that does not try and insert itself into every facet of people's lives unless it involves shoving Christianity down people's throats in the form of education, abortion, or the ghey

FTFY

At least be honest for once.

Yeah because not wanting to pay for other people's abortions, contraception and 12 other things is "shoving Christianity down people's throats". Spare me.

Cost to pay for a poor person's contraception: About $40 a year.
Cost to pay for a poor person's pre-natal care, delivery, and then the child's medical expenses on Medicaid for the next 18+ years? Priceless.

You Republicans say you're the party of business. Yet, you strangely all seem to suck at math.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Will somebody tell me how dead people vote?

Someone fradulently requests an absentee ballot in that person's name.........or simply shows up to the polling place impersonating the dead guy. Probably one of the biggest reasons leftists are in such a tizzy about photo ID laws that have been getting enacted lately.

Leftists are in an uproar over the right to impersonate a corpse?

Are you even capable of a coherent argument?

Serious Black: TheMysticS: Serious Black: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Serious Black: Millennium: Diogenes: We want legitimate voters on the roles. The process by which they're allegedly removing illegitimate voters is also removing a disproportionate number of legitimate voters.

I believe this is the proper time to ask for evidence to back up your claim?

Of the 1638 voters identified as ineligible in Miami-Dade County, 385 of them have provided proof to the state that they are eligible to vote. Considering this list was stated to be filled with nothing but non-US citizens, a false positive rate of 23.5% (so far) is pretty damn awful.

Ok, so let the citizens vote as they should and purge the non-citizens. This is not rocket science.

In other words, lets get rid of everybody who didn't respond to the letter asking them to verify their eligibility. There's just one problem with that. When almost a full quarter of the people you identified have verified their eligibility, the odds that the rest of the people who haven't responded are actually ineligible to vote drops precipitously. I'd say the odds that even half of the people on the list who haven't responded are ineligible to vote are about as low as me winning the Powerball, running out of my house to go celebrate, and getting struck dead by a bolt of lightning before I got to my car.

And then run over by a shark on a unicycle, a marching band, and a streamroller.

/my dad went the same way

My mom died from laughing as she pulled down the sheriff's pants and could only find his penis with an electron microscope.

A silly. You has it.
:)

TheMysticS: Serious Black: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Serious Black: Millennium: Diogenes: We want legitimate voters on the roles. The process by which they're allegedly removing illegitimate voters is also removing a disproportionate number of legitimate voters.

I believe this is the proper time to ask for evidence to back up your claim?

Of the 1638 voters identified as ineligible in Miami-Dade County, 385 of them have provided proof to the state that they are eligible to vote. Considering this list was stated to be filled with nothing but non-US citizens, a false positive rate of 23.5% (so far) is pretty damn awful.

Ok, so let the citizens vote as they should and purge the non-citizens. This is not rocket science.

In other words, lets get rid of everybody who didn't respond to the letter asking them to verify their eligibility. There's just one problem with that. When almost a full quarter of the people you identified have verified their eligibility, the odds that the rest of the people who haven't responded are actually ineligible to vote drops precipitously. I'd say the odds that even half of the people on the list who haven't responded are ineligible to vote are about as low as me winning the Powerball, running out of my house to go celebrate, and getting struck dead by a bolt of lightning before I got to my car.

And then run over by a shark on a unicycle, a marching band, and a streamroller.

/my dad went the same way

coeyagi: LordStormes: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

I'm not. As long as the ID's are provided free of charge and are easily accessible.

Otherwise you're just creating a poll tax and making people have to pay in order to vote. Which is just wrong in any western democracy, especially here in the US.

As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

Unfortunately, Florida is the state in question and Florida does not provide free ID. The cheapest photo ID you can get in Florida requires, I believe, $10, and a couple of utility bills in your name to prove your address. Which, if your name isn't on the utilities... yeah, you're just hosed. Who wouldn't have their name on utilities? People in Section 8 housing where it's included. So, poor people. Same poor people who sometimes can't afford the $10 ID. So, who does that benefit when the poor can't vote?

You want a list?

Rove
Romney
Steele
Cantor
Scott
McConnell
Kyl
Rubio
Inhofe
Graham
Bachmann
Ryan
Walker
McDonnell
Etc Etc Etc

I'm curious as to why MSNBC contributor Michael Steele made the list.

coeyagi: LordStormes: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

I'm not. As long as the ID's are provided free of charge and are easily accessible.

Otherwise you're just creating a poll tax and making people have to pay in order to vote. Which is just wrong in any western democracy, especially here in the US.

As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

Unfortunately, Florida is the state in question and Florida does not provide free ID. The cheapest photo ID you can get in Florida requires, I believe, $10, and a couple of utility bills in your name to prove your address. Which, if your name isn't on the utilities... yeah, you're just hosed. Who wouldn't have their name on utilities? People in Section 8 housing where it's included. So, poor people. Same poor people who sometimes can't afford the $10 ID. So, who does that benefit when the poor can't vote?

You want a list?

Rove
Romney
Steele
Cantor
Scott
McConnell
Kyl
Rubio
Inhofe
Graham
Bachmann
Ryan
Walker
McDonnell
Etc Etc Etc

My point exactly.

ImpendingCynic: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Will somebody tell me how dead people vote?

Someone fradulently requests an absentee ballot in that person's name.........or simply shows up to the polling place impersonating the dead guy. Probably one of the biggest reasons leftists are in such a tizzy about photo ID laws that have been getting enacted lately.

Leftists are in an uproar over the right to impersonate a corpse?

Are you even capable of a coherent argument?

Not as funny as the other guy. Try harder.

LordStormes:
Unfortunately, Florida is the state in question and Florida does not provide free ID. The cheapest photo ID you can get in Florida requires, I believe, $10, and a couple of utility bills in your name to prove your address. Which, if your name isn't on the utilities... yeah, you're just hosed. Who wouldn't have their name on utilities? People in Section 8 housing where it's included. So, poor people. Same poor people who sometimes can't afford the $10 ID. So, who does that benefit when the poor can't vote?


Free Id help in Florida but still not easy.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: I'm curious as to why MSNBC contributor Michael Steele made the list.

It's Danielle Steele. She's currently writing a romance novel set in post-civilization Florida. It'll be called "Citizenship of the Heart".

Mercutio74: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: I'm curious as to why MSNBC contributor Michael Steele made the list.

It's Danielle Steele. She's currently writing a romance novel set in post-civilization Florida. It'll be called "Citizenship of the Heart".

Or was it Captain Steele from Blackhawk Down? He wasn't very specific.

TheHappTroll: LordStormes:
Unfortunately, Florida is the state in question and Florida does not provide free ID. The cheapest photo ID you can get in Florida requires, I believe, $10, and a couple of utility bills in your name to prove your address. Which, if your name isn't on the utilities... yeah, you're just hosed. Who wouldn't have their name on utilities? People in Section 8 housing where it's included. So, poor people. Same poor people who sometimes can't afford the $10 ID. So, who does that benefit when the poor can't vote?


Free Id help in Florida but still not easy.

I wasn't aware of this program. Glad they're at least doing something. There's still the question of providing all the other identifying documentation, which often isn't free, though.

Well if Jon Stewart says it, it must be true.

dittoheads?

Comedy = news.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: coeyagi: LordStormes: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

I'm not. As long as the ID's are provided free of charge and are easily accessible.

Otherwise you're just creating a poll tax and making people have to pay in order to vote. Which is just wrong in any western democracy, especially here in the US.

As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

Unfortunately, Florida is the state in question and Florida does not provide free ID. The cheapest photo ID you can get in Florida requires, I believe, $10, and a couple of utility bills in your name to prove your address. Which, if your name isn't on the utilities... yeah, you're just hosed. Who wouldn't have their name on utilities? People in Section 8 housing where it's included. So, poor people. Same poor people who sometimes can't afford the $10 ID. So, who does that benefit when the poor can't vote?

You want a list?

Rove
Romney
Steele
Cantor
Scott
McConnell
Kyl
Rubio
Inhofe
Graham
Bachmann
Ryan
Walker
McDonnell
Etc Etc Etc

I'm curious as to why MSNBC contributor Michael Steele made the list.
Michael Steele, former RNC chairperson.

Steele's book, Right Now: A 12-Step Program for Defeating the Obama Agenda, was released on January 4, 2010;[59] it was published by Regnery Publishing, ISBN 978-1-59698-108-9.[59] The Associated Press reported that, "Steele focuses much of the book on familiar GOP denunciations of President Barack Obama's overall policies (a roadmap to failure), the $787 billion stimulus bill (a reckless, wasteful, pork-laden spending spree), liberal views on manmade global warming (A threat to life on Earth? Depends on whom you ask) and other issues. To regain the public confidence, Steele says the GOP should, among other things, expose the reign of error inherent in liberal policies, contrast conservative and liberal principles, and highlight the damage caused by Obama's policies while explaining conservative solutions."[60]

FrailChild: Well if Jon Stewart says it, it must be true.

dittoheads?

Comedy = news.

Pro-tip: if you weren't already familiar with current events, you wouldn't be watching the Daily Show.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: CPennypacker: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: CPennypacker: coeyagi: I wonder if the sequel to Angry Birds is going to be Angry Trolls.

He's just bent out of shape because that last burn I had on him broke the sound barrier

You give yourself far too much credit.

Quiet troll. You are in no position to judge the intensity of the burn I let loose upon you.

LOL! At least you're good for a laugh.

Yes.
We wish you were.

FrailChild: Well if Jon Stewart says it, it must be true.

dittoheads?

Comedy = news.

Long time no see! Say, random question. Which is worse: preventing an eligible voter from casting a ballot, or letting an ineligible voter cast a ballot?

Stile4aly: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

I'm not. As long as the ID's are provided free of charge and are easily accessible.

Otherwise you're just creating a poll tax and making people have to pay in order to vote. Which is just wrong in any western democracy, especially here in the US.

As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

Since you're so fond of Indiana's law, I decided to look it up.

You need to take at least 4 pieces of documentation to your local motor vehicle dept to qualify for a free voter ID. A birth certificate (or various other forms of ID, all of which cost money to obtain) to verify that you are who you say you are and that you have a right to vote, two pieces of identification to document that you're a current resident, and a social security card/W2/1099 to confirm you have a valid social security number. If you're missing even one document, no ID for you.

If you've just turned 18 and live with your parents and have never held a job, or if you're an elderly person who doesn't have a birth certificate copy, or if you've just moved to the state then I don't see how it's possible to obtain an ID. Add to this the time it takes to go to the DMV to get things done (time being a cost in and of itself) and I don't understand how this law got upheld.

This calls to mind the whole question of why? In a country where less than 60% of eligible voters actually take part in democracy, why would you actually make it HARDER for people to vote? As has been pointed out repeaedly, this whole voter fraud nonsense is not based on any facts or numbers. It's based on the usual FUD we've come to expect from the right-wing screech machine. A completely manufactured problem with an elegant "solution" that just so happens to be a weapon against groups that statistically vote Democrat. And because the urgency of this problem is SOOO great, it needs to be done in an election year, in a state that is strategically critical to the GOP. Gosh, nothing to raise suspicion there!

You really want a voter ID law? Then institute a national ID card. Oops, can't do that. That would mean the UN black helicopters would know where you are from the implanted RFID tag. Leaving this up to states and their myriad approaches, all politically influenced, just makes the whole process a sham. And again, pointless because there is no proof that a problem even exists.

Of all the stupid shiat that comes out of right-wing trolls, this is probably one of the most irritating. Which I guess is the point. That's what trolls like to do.

In Florida, an ID card costs $25. Beginning January 1, 2010, Florida has new documentation requirements for residents renewing or obtaining a new driver license or identification card. For office visits, you must bring original documents that prove your identity, social security number and residential address.

In other words, you have to have $25 AND basically already have an identity card to get an identity card! Original documents too, no short-form certificate of live birth!

Will the lying farking liar who keeps posting lies about the requirements stop farking lying?

MilesTeg:

Everyone knows democrat voter fraud occurs.

Clearly it's rampant. There were 6 possible cases in my state. 6. At best. The one that was confirmed was a Republican. Clearly we should disenfranchise 40 or 50 thousand to get to those 1-6 people. It's just smart thinking.

FrailChild: Well if Jon Stewart says it, it must be true.

dittoheads?

Comedy = news.

A spoonful of sugar helps the bullsh*t go down,
Mary Poppins dot jay peg

LordStormes: TheHappTroll: LordStormes:
Unfortunately, Florida is the state in question and Florida does not provide free ID. The cheapest photo ID you can get in Florida requires, I believe, $10, and a couple of utility bills in your name to prove your address. Which, if your name isn't on the utilities... yeah, you're just hosed. Who wouldn't have their name on utilities? People in Section 8 housing where it's included. So, poor people. Same poor people who sometimes can't afford the $10 ID. So, who does that benefit when the poor can't vote?


Free Id help in Florida but still not easy.

I wasn't aware of this program. Glad they're at least doing something. There's still the question of providing all the other identifying documentation, which often isn't free, though.

It's not just the cost though. It really is a pain in the a$$ here to get and ID/Driver License.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Not as funny as the other guy. Try harder.

It's not my job to provide entertainment for your small mind and short attention span. Typical Republican, always expecting someone else to do the hard work for you.

/amigettingbetter?

Close2TheEdge: Stile4aly: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

I'm not. As long as the ID's are provided free of charge and are easily accessible.

Otherwise you're just creating a poll tax and making people have to pay in order to vote. Which is just wrong in any western democracy, especially here in the US.

As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

Since you're so fond of Indiana's law, I decided to look it up.

You need to take at least 4 pieces of documentation to your local motor vehicle dept to qualify for a free voter ID. A birth certificate (or various other forms of ID, all of which cost money to obtain) to verify that you are who you say you are and that you have a right to vote, two pieces of identification to document that you're a current resident, and a social security card/W2/1099 to confirm you have a valid social security number. If you're missing even one document, no ID for you.

If you've just turned 18 and live with your parents and have never held a job, or if you're an elderly person who doesn't have a birth certificate copy, or if you've just moved to the state then I don't see how it's possible to obtain an ID. Add to this the time it takes to go to the DMV to get things done (time being a cost in and of itself) and I don't understand how this law got upheld.

This calls to mind the whole question of why? In a country where less than 60% of eligible voters actually take part in democracy, why would you actually make it HARDER for people to vote? As has been pointed out repeaedly, this whole voter fraud nonsense is not based on any facts or numbers. It's based on the usual FUD we've come to expect from the right-wing screech machine. A completely manufactured problem with an elegant "solution" that just so happens to be a weapon against groups that statistically ...

The people you describe sound like Ron Paul supporters.

ghare: Will the lying farking liar who keeps posting lies about the requirements stop farking lying?

Probably not. And we are not even allowed to call them on their lies, for it is "trolling/harrassing other farkers".

Voter suppression, it's the GOP way.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii
Yeah because not wanting to pay for other people's abortions, contraception and 12 other things is "shoving Christianity down people's throats". Spare me.

I don't want to pay for bullshiat wars, but the government makes me do it. Sometimes your tax money goes to things you'd rather it didn't. Get over it.

There are a significant number of Republicans who want to impose legislation on everyone based on their personal religious views. They don't just want to keep their tax money from going toward abortions (by law federal tax money cannot fund abortions, by the way), they want to ban abortion. They don't want gays to have equal rights under the law because they think their holy scripture says gays are bad. They're against tax money going toward contraception because... well fark... other than the few hardcore Catholics who really do follow the pope's prohibition against birth control, I'm not sure why. Access to contraception is in the best fiscal and social interests of the country. Oh that's right, their religion says premarital sex is bad and they think access to contraception leads to more of it.

So how about you keep your farking religious views out of our laws? Thanks.

ImpendingCynic: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Not as funny as the other guy. Try harder.

It's not my job to provide entertainment for your small mind and short attention span. Typical Republican, always expecting someone else to do the hard work for you.

/amigettingbetter?

My attention span is not short!!!! It's not!!! Ohh, Storage Wars is on.

Tymast: Serious Black: Tymast: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mercutio74: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Your statement that Republicans are doing this solely to benefit themselves is pure speculation which gets repeated over and over again till it sounds like fact when it's not.

Certainly there must be a reason that the small gov't GOP is the party behind the voter photo ID laws. The Dems never seem to propose them. At this point you'll probably say, "Exactly, because the Dems rely on voter fraud to win." If that's the case, how come there's never any evidence of widespread illegal voter tampering? You'd think that a conspiracy on that scale would certainly show some cracks. There'd be investigations and indictments and a media circus.

Once again, without photo ID laws how do you know exactly who is walking in and picking up any particular ballot? Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

How will you validate if the ID is real or not? farking highschoolers can get decent fake ID, They cannot fake finger printing, photo ID is not secure enough, more so if there isn't one card that is accepted and kept in a government database for which party you are registered for so there won't be liberals trying to screw up the primary votes.

The newest fake ID's are so good that they can even bypass electronic digital security systems.

exactly, photo IDs don't go far enough, that is why we need fingerprints kept on a national database, and it will be easy to keep ACORN from sending people to vote again into a different district, since the ink should be one that is hard to remove.

We just need to RFID tag "at-risk" populations for voter fraud. You know, minorities and poor people. They should thanks us since we're GIVING them something, and the implants can also be used for so many other things! Like tracking them down if they get lost! Or tracking their movements so if they go into the wrong places we now about it and can find out what's wrong that they had to change their routine!

We'll have to pay for it with a new payroll tax of course, but with the benefits they're getting they should be happy to pay it.

Lionel Mandrake: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: I'm curious as to why MSNBC contributor Michael Steele made the list.

He's on MSNBC therefore he's a liberal?

Man, you are really a piece of work.

Lemme guess: you think Palin is awesome, dontcha?

Where did I say he was a liberal? I meerly pointed out he was no longer the chairman of the RNC and worked for a TV network now.

Actually, you'd lose that bet. Palin is a stupid coont who needs to just shut the fark up. I make a point NOT to watch Fox when she's supposed to be on.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: ImpendingCynic: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Not as funny as the other guy. Try harder.

It's not my job to provide entertainment for your small mind and short attention span. Typical Republican, always expecting someone else to do the hard work for you.

/amigettingbetter?

My attention span is not short!!!! It's not!!! Ohh, Storage Wars is on.

Is your attention span long enough to tell me what you thought about my calculations concerning how many people on Florida's list are actually ineligible to vote?

TheHappTroll: Once you are without ID, you are caught in a circular trap. You need a photo ID to get a Social Security card, and you need a Social Security card to get a Florida ID. You need a birth certificate to get one, but you need ID to get a birth certificate. And of course, you need money to get a state ID or a birth certificate.

Without ID, it's almost impossible to get a job, rent a motel room or get into a shelter, or access other life-sustaining services.

This sort of 'Deadly Embrace' resource lockup can be bad. But I'm nit sure its inescapable. For instance, the SSA also accepts

Employee identification card/badge
Health insurance card or Medicaid card (not a Medicare card)
U.S. military identification
U.S. Government identification card
Certificate of Naturalization
Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
U.S. Indian Tribal card (Social Security has to approve as an acceptable ID)
Certified copy of a medical record
School identity card, certified record, or transcript (current year)
Life insurance policy


I don't know what'll happen if you walk into an SSA office with a copy of your dental records signed by a justice of the peace. (not that either of those are free)

I also don't see how if an employee ID is OK, that a church or other community oriented organization couldn't 'hire' someone, and give them an ID.

Likewise, the ID that a Florida voter can show includes a "Neighborhood association identification ". Like, who validates the neighborhood association as a neighborhood association? Why couldn't someone create a "Town Neighborhood Chess Club Association", file a DBA on it, and issue ID. I don't know, but I bet the cool kids in the GOP would find a way to close that loophole.

Serious Black: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: ImpendingCynic: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Not as funny as the other guy. Try harder.

It's not my job to provide entertainment for your small mind and short attention span. Typical Republican, always expecting someone else to do the hard work for you.

/amigettingbetter?

My attention span is not short!!!! It's not!!! Ohh, Storage Wars is on.

Is your attention span long enough to tell me what you thought about my calculations concerning how many people on Florida's list are actually ineligible to vote?

Was that supposed to be serious? Comparing an effort with a 76% success rate to getting struck by lightning 77 times in a year?

Now you might have something if you compared the odds of getting hit by lightning 77 times in a year to the odds of an eligible voter being purged, the state ( or some voting rights group for that matter ) catching it and that voter still not being allowed to vote.

Vlad_the_Inaner: TheHappTroll: Once you are without ID, you are caught in a circular trap. You need a photo ID to get a Social Security card, and you need a Social Security card to get a Florida ID. You need a birth certificate to get one, but you need ID to get a birth certificate. And of course, you need money to get a state ID or a birth certificate.

Without ID, it's almost impossible to get a job, rent a motel room or get into a shelter, or access other life-sustaining services.

This sort of 'Deadly Embrace' resource lockup can be bad. But I'm nit sure its inescapable. For instance, the SSA also accepts


Employee identification card/badge
Health insurance card or Medicaid card (not a Medicare card)
U.S. military identification
U.S. Government identification card
Certificate of Naturalization
Certificate of U.S. Citizenship
U.S. Indian Tribal card (Social Security has to approve as an acceptable ID)
Certified copy of a medical record
School identity card, certified record, or transcript (current year)
Life insurance policy


I don't know what'll happen if you walk into an SSA office with a copy of your dental records signed by a justice of the peace. (not that either of those are free)

I also don't see how if an employee ID is OK, that a church or other community oriented organization couldn't 'hire' someone, and give them an ID.

Likewise, the ID that a Florida voter can show includes a "Neighborhood association identification ". Like, who validates the neighborhood association as a neighborhood association? Why couldn't someone create a "Town Neighborhood Chess Club Association", file a DBA on it, and issue ID. I don't know, but I bet the cool kids in the GOP would find a way to close that loophole.

poor people don't play chess.

Tymast: exactly, photo IDs don't go far enough, that is why we need fingerprints kept on a national database, and it will be easy to keep ACORN from sending people to vote again into a different district, since the ink should be one that is hard to remove.

[citation needed]

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Close2TheEdge: Stile4aly: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

I'm not. As long as the ID's are provided free of charge and are easily accessible.

Otherwise you're just creating a poll tax and making people have to pay in order to vote. Which is just wrong in any western democracy, especially here in the US.

As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

Since you're so fond of Indiana's law, I decided to look it up.

You need to take at least 4 pieces of documentation to your local motor vehicle dept to qualify for a free voter ID. A birth certificate (or various other forms of ID, all of which cost money to obtain) to verify that you are who you say you are and that you have a right to vote, two pieces of identification to document that you're a current resident, and a social security card/W2/1099 to confirm you have a valid social security number. If you're missing even one document, no ID for you.

If you've just turned 18 and live with your parents and have never held a job, or if you're an elderly person who doesn't have a birth certificate copy, or if you've just moved to the state then I don't see how it's possible to obtain an ID. Add to this the time it takes to go to the DMV to get things done (time being a cost in and of itself) and I don't understand how this law got upheld.

This calls to mind the whole question of why? In a country where less than 60% of eligible voters actually take part in democracy, why would you actually make it HARDER for people to vote? As has been pointed out repeaedly, this whole voter fraud nonsense is not based on any facts or numbers. It's based on the usual FUD we've come to expect from the right-wing screech machine. A completely manufactured problem with an elegant "solution" that just so happens to be a weapon against groups that ...

You still haven't provided a single credible reason WHY this whole voter ID / purge effort is necessary. Which is another wonderful tactic of your poliical side. When the facts are incovenient, ignore them and invent your own set of "facts."

Mikey1969: Tymast: exactly, photo IDs don't go far enough, that is why we need fingerprints kept on a national database, and it will be easy to keep ACORN from sending people to vote again into a different district, since the ink should be one that is hard to remove.

[citation needed]


i think

Close2TheEdge: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Close2TheEdge: Stile4aly: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Mrtraveler01: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why is it so horrible that people have to show an ID to get their ballot?

I'm not. As long as the ID's are provided free of charge and are easily accessible.

Otherwise you're just creating a poll tax and making people have to pay in order to vote. Which is just wrong in any western democracy, especially here in the US.

As I've said before, in most cases photo ID IS provided free of charge. That's how Indiana's law got blessed off on by the Supreme Court.

Since you're so fond of Indiana's law, I decided to look it up.

You need to take at least 4 pieces of documentation to your local motor vehicle dept to qualify for a free voter ID. A birth certificate (or various other forms of ID, all of which cost money to obtain) to verify that you are who you say you are and that you have a right to vote, two pieces of identification to document that you're a current resident, and a social security card/W2/1099 to confirm you have a valid social security number. If you're missing even one document, no ID for you.

If you've just turned 18 and live with your parents and have never held a job, or if you're an elderly person who doesn't have a birth certificate copy, or if you've just moved to the state then I don't see how it's possible to obtain an ID. Add to this the time it takes to go to the DMV to get things done (time being a cost in and of itself) and I don't understand how this law got upheld.

This calls to mind the whole question of why? In a country where less than 60% of eligible voters actually take part in democracy, why would you actually make it HARDER for people to vote? As has been pointed out repeaedly, this whole voter fraud nonsense is not based on any facts or numbers. It's based on the usual FUD we've come to expect from the right-wing screech machine. A completely manufactured problem with an elegant "solution" that just so happens to be a we ...

Nope. It's completely unnecessary for non-citizens and others not eligible to vote to be removed from the rolls. No reason why they can't vote at all. None!!!........except that it's against the law. I hope Florida Republicans filed their patents for all the facts they "invented".