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(Mega 949)   "Who's he gonna call? The Mormon Fire Department?" says commentator and "party of tolerance" member Joy Behar after wishing Mitt Romney's house burns down   (mega949.com) divider line 51
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2012-06-13 11:06:32 AM  
6 votes:
What's this? Wishing one suffers the consequences of one's own words and beliefs put into action, directly affecting them?! OF ALL THE NERVE!!!!


Aaaaaaaaand there goes my monocle.
2012-06-13 11:27:30 AM  
4 votes:

Diogenes: I'll be the first to say, "Not helping."


Whatever. We need more firebrands like this. The right can make outrageous comments with impunity, and it's goddamn effective. Look at the course of dialogue in this nation. It keeps moving further and further right. Why is it when a liberal says something outrageous, they immediately have to apologize?
2012-06-13 11:17:29 AM  
4 votes:
Over-react much? I have no problem with what she said. She isn't saying, wow I really hope this guys house burns down. She said it as I hope he gets to feel the repurcussions of his stupid policies. Anyway, his families magic underwear would save them if there really were a fire.
2012-06-13 11:15:40 AM  
4 votes:

Mentat: Why can't the Democratic Party control it's comedians???


Here's the thing about that. The consequences of Mitt Romney's professed ideology is that more houses WILL burn down, and in the process result in more people burning to death. Mitt Romney doesn't say it specifically, but his wish is that more people "Die in a fire." Interestingly, there's no particular malice associated with this wish. He just desires that more randomly selected people burn to death in fires. And not just a few of them, but in pretty significant numbers. Numbers big enough that were it one event, the delta between the status quo and his policies would be a long remembered international event. Elect Mitt Romney, and see his policies enacted is exactly equivalent to seeing large numbers of people burn to death in preventable/controllable fires. Then we start adding in the poisoning of drinking water, and increased cancer deaths, et al. What is the offset of these many lost lives, uncountable lost years of productivity? Tax cuts for the wealthy, who will continue poorly allocating wealth lent to them, thus reducing economic efficency even more.

So, yeah, it's morally defensable to advocate the violent murder of Mitt and Ann Romney. Trading two lives of objectively terrible, if not overtly malicious, people for the lives of thousands of random individuals, annually. The devil's calculus provides a clear result.
2012-06-13 11:07:04 AM  
4 votes:
Considering Mitt doesn't mind seeing the houses of others burn down, this is justifiable irony.
2012-06-13 10:26:13 AM  
4 votes:

unlikely: Party of Tolerance?

Who the hell is that supposed to be?



Well, if one person who leans toward the left says anything remotely stupid, they are speaking for every Democrat in the country.

If someone on the right says something stupid, it's an isolated incident.
2012-06-13 11:33:53 AM  
3 votes:

Diogenes: The Mavrick: Diogenes: skullkrusher: Joy Behar is a loud mouth blow hard. No one cares what she says. Except housewives ages 27-65

No one cares about Ted Nugent either.

Romney courted Nugent's endorsement. Did Obama ask for Behar's help?

Are both sides bad?

Aaannd there's the "degree of wrongness" stupidity I just mentioned.

How dare I try to be fair and even handed, and call out a nut when I see one. I've betrayed the cause!

OK. I hope ALL of Romney's houses burn down!

Am I doing it right?


You sure are. You're agreeing that some random woman on television needs to be denounced because she doesn't like Romney. You're agreeing to that because it's exactly the same as Nugent being courted by the Romney campaign and then threatening the President. Exactly the same. And it doesn't matter that the right not only didn't rebuke Nugent, they defended him. Both sides are bad.

You'll be voting Republican in no time.
2012-06-13 01:12:53 PM  
2 votes:

HeadLever: While I don't support Romney's statement in context, you do have to be careful here. This country is not on a very good fiscal path and ignoring other factors such as cost will only help to make this bad situation worse. The public sector is doing great. The private sector is struggling.


Except this is exactly the opposite of reality. The public sector is floundering thanks to state cutbacks, while private sector profits are flourishing, but not resulting in a net gain in jobs. Deficits are huge partly because taxes are too low to sustain our economy and way of life.There may be legitimate times to call for public service cuts, such as when there as when there is full employment and not enough need for public services, but I don't see that as being relevant right now.

If states want to save money, what they should be doing is reducing prison sentences for non-violent offenses along with legalizing and taxing marijuana. Close down the prison-industrial complex and put some of that money back into education and then we can talk about possibly reducing the police force some.
2012-06-13 12:46:08 PM  
2 votes:

skullkrusher: See, that's how you point out the potential consequences of a policy without wishing those consequences on someone.


Politics has a tangible effect on human beings. Fires don't just damage property (like "art collections"), they damage people too.

As I said before, humans rarely understand the need for policies/ideas they don't like, until they're personally affected.

Why should Romney be spared this reality? Because it's "uncivil"? I don't care.

Uncivil is advocating for firefighters to lose their jobs because of your misguided political ideology.

Joy Behar is nothing to me. She doesn't represent some ideal to strive towards. She is not a Democratic politician, and therefore her ideas carry little weight in the public realm.

But I don't begrudge her wishing that Romney's house should burn to the farking ground, because assholes like Romney advocate that it happen to other, unsuspecting people with shocking casuality that is dangerous and irresponsible. And he needs to learn that goddamn lesson, and learn it well.
2012-06-13 12:45:18 PM  
2 votes:

MyRandomName: He never said.to decrease fireman and police. Reading comprehension is hard I know. He stated Obama wanted to hire teachers, fireman, and grow government, then Romney stated government is big enough. You can state he implied that means laying off teachers and firemen, but that is not the only way to decrease government. Sure everytime a new bond or tax comes to vote, liberals claim its for those groups. But anyone who is not functionally retarded sees that money usually goes to other political interests. The cry of firemen, police, and teachers is now the wolf.cry. not falling for it anymore. Cut one of the 100 divisions working on housing if you need more money. Way too much redundancy


I suppose if you ignore Romney's campaign chairman explicitly saying there should be fewer teachers and fireman, then you are partially right, Romney as usually refrains from explicitly pointing out the consequences of his policies, because then people wouldn't vote for him. But it would take a special type of ideological blindness not to realize that lowering the amount of money going to the these groups will mean less fireman, teachers and police. Whether some money goes to lobby politicians to cover their political interests has little bearing on that reality.
2012-06-13 12:31:26 PM  
2 votes:

skullkrusher: is that really what you got out of "I hope his house burns down"


What the hell else is there to get from it?

You advocate for firefighters to lose their jobs. Firefighters (wait for it)... fight fires.

Less firefighters, less people fighting fires, more out of control fires.

Since human beings typically don't care about issues until they're personally affected by them (especially sociopaths like Romney), Romney should therefore experience this simple train of logic for himself to understand why his opinions are retarded.

Ergo, Romney's house (whichever of the many houses he owns) should burn to the farking ground.

The alternative, teaching him that public policy ideas have consequences, would take too damn long to get the point across, and I'm not sure he'd be receptive to learning it anyways.
2012-06-13 12:16:03 PM  
2 votes:
Hey, conservatives. We don't have a Limbaugh.

NO ONE is going to apologize to or worry about offending Behar or Maher or Stewart or Matthews. You will not hear a chorus of Democratic politicians and liberal pundits chanting "Mormon fire department" for the next week.

No one on the left cares what Behar says. Or Stewart, but at least he's funny..

Don't we have a big flood and a big fire going right now?
I'm sure if we can prevent any government interference, the free market, supply and demand, will take care of both.
2012-06-13 12:13:17 PM  
2 votes:
People whose foolish words and actions are representative of the Democratic party: Joy Behar, Bill Maher, Random New Black Panther Party guys, Matt Damon, Michael Moore

People whose foolish words and actions are not representative of the GOP: Mitt Romney, George W Bush, John McCain, Joe Arpaio, Larry Craig, Alberto Gonzales, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin...

/double your standard, double your fun
2012-06-13 11:57:11 AM  
2 votes:
It's disrespectful to walk somebody through the consequences of their platform!
2012-06-13 11:38:45 AM  
2 votes:

Diogenes: It's that sort of thinking that makes good people become worse than their enemies. If you're OK with that, fine. I want no part of it.

"The operation was a success, but the patient is dead."


I guess, but being "the better man" has never, ever, ever been effective in American politics. The whole notion of an "elevation of discourse" is impossible if one particular side refuses to ever return the favor in kind. At some point one has to realize the futility of the effort and cut their losses.

I agree that this asshole in this article is a waste of time, just like Ted Nugent is. I do take solace, however, in the fact that she's just some random talking head on some television show, and not a keynote speaker at a major political rally. I do think there's a difference, and I don't think both sides are the same.
2012-06-13 11:23:24 AM  
2 votes:

Cletus C.: Has Obama apologized for her comment yet? Or at least addressed it?


Why would he? She's not part of his campaign, is she? Or acting in any sort of official capacity for the DNC?
2012-06-13 11:22:16 AM  
2 votes:

Diogenes: skullkrusher: Joy Behar is a loud mouth blow hard. No one cares what she says. Except housewives ages 27-65

No one cares about Ted Nugent either.


Romney courted Nugent's endorsement. Did Obama ask for Behar's help?

Are both sides bad?
2012-06-13 11:19:44 AM  
2 votes:
Joy Behar is dumb. I'm a democrat and she's just dumb. If someone wants to launch a campaign to get her off the air I'm fine with that.

Rush Limbaugh is not dumb. He is vile and has learned how to get rich by being vile. If anyone wants to launch a campaign to give him infinite cock punches, I'll sign on.
2012-06-13 11:18:34 AM  
2 votes:

The Homer Tax: Diogenes: No one cares about Ted Nugent either. But in the interest of fairness I think it's appropriate to denounce her words.

I don't care enough about Joy Behar to click this link, but did she say this asinine crap at a democratic political rally analogous to CPAC where President Obama was also speaking? Or did she just say it on some TV show no one watches?

There's kind of a difference.


No, and you do have a point. But instead of getting into a pissing match over whose words are worse or carry more import, I'm choosing to say Behar was over the line. Arguing degrees of wrongness in cases like this just perpetuates the larger problem: Assholes with big mouths.
2012-06-13 11:12:38 AM  
2 votes:

Diogenes: skullkrusher: Joy Behar is a loud mouth blow hard. No one cares what she says. Except housewives ages 27-65

No one cares about Ted Nugent either. But in the interest of fairness I think it's appropriate to denounce her words.

There are other ways to mock his stupid firefighters comment without wishing his house burns down.


This is the problem with the left. Rational Compassion. The right does not understand or practice such niceties. They go right for the throat. This is why dems are losing.
2012-06-13 11:08:42 AM  
2 votes:

skullkrusher: Joy Behar is a loud mouth blow hard. No one cares what she says. Except housewives ages 27-65


No one cares about Ted Nugent either. But in the interest of fairness I think it's appropriate to denounce her words.

There are other ways to mock his stupid firefighters comment without wishing his house burns down.
2012-06-13 11:07:26 AM  
2 votes:
Never trust a politician who can afford his security and fire protection. Once you are that rich you are so detached normal society.
2012-06-13 10:41:23 AM  
2 votes:
I'll be the first to say, "Not helping."
2012-06-13 02:45:47 PM  
1 votes:

GameSprocket: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: topcon: Diogenes: The Mavrick: You sure are. You're agreeing that some random woman on television needs to be denounced because she doesn't like Romney. You're agreeing to that because it's exactly the same as Nugent being courted by the Romney campaign and then threatening the President. Exactly the same. And it doesn't matter that the right not only didn't rebuke Nugent, they defended him. Both sides are bad.

Well, here was a perfect opportunity to exercise consistent ideals. And I'm seeing a big heaping of FAIL.

Welcome to Fark. Where if you criticize anything or anyone resembling left of center, you're a sekret Republican.

No. If you criticize anything or anyone resembling left of center they label you a troll instead of saying anything remotely intelligent to rebut your point.

I don't think you are a troll, just mentally inadequate.


Sorry, but the whole "I dont agree with you so you must be an idiot" schtick is getting pretty old.
2012-06-13 02:11:23 PM  
1 votes:
One way to get people to stop making mean jokes about the stupid things you say is to stop saying stupid things.
2012-06-13 02:02:51 PM  
1 votes:

Headso: skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: She should be ignored as such instead of lauded as a "firebrand" as someone did earlier.

except hyperbole and "low class" statements are what moves an agenda.

race to the bottom. It's not just for free marketeers anymore!

What people on the left should do is continue to try to take the high road when it obviously does not move an agenda as well as the foxnews road, amirite?

perhaps if you're gonna embrace it you should be less touchy when people who don't embrace it call you a douchebag for it?

I'm just pointing out that the high road is a losing strategy for moving an agenda. People on the left should take concern about the level of political discourse from "conservatives" with a grain of salt. You all had your chance to reign it in for decades now.


I think you're a fool if taking the low road will work as well on lefties as it does on righties. The low road LOVES provincialism and a fist fight political mentality, us vs them, etc etc. The current American right LOVES provincialism and that sort of view of politics. If you think it'll play with anything but the most hackiest of partisan hacks on the left, I think you're doing a disservice to the people who are often claimed to be on the more cerebral side of the political spectrum
2012-06-13 01:42:12 PM  
1 votes:

Scerpes: Gwyrddu: I suppose if you ignore Romney's campaign chairman explicitly saying there should be fewer teachers and fireman, then you are partially right, Romney as usually refrains from explicitly pointing out the consequences of his policies, because then people wouldn't vote for him. But it would take a special type of ideological blindness not to realize that lowering the amount of money going to the these groups will mean less fireman, teachers and police. Whether some money goes to lobby politicians to cover their political interests has little bearing on that reality.

Seriously? Why don't you try a little harder to take comments like that out of context:

SUNUNU: If there's fewer kids in the classrooms, the taxpayers really do want to hear there will be fewer teachers. [...] You have a lot of places where that is happening. You have a very mobile country now where things are changing. You have cities in this country in which the school population peaked ten, 15 years ago.

Yes. He suggested that fewer teachers might be appropriate in some places. That's quite different than what you, and the headline of the article you cited suggested.


I'm sorry if I ignored Sununu's totally made up justification for a policy to fix a problem that doesn't actually exist. It's not like K-12 teachers have some sort of tenure or their numbers aren't already being adjusted for class size or that this doesn't mean there would be less total teachers or funding for teachers. Actually, that seems to be the Republican's modus operandi, justify terrible policies by making up imaginary problems that they purport to solve.
2012-06-13 01:33:46 PM  
1 votes:

Gwyrddu: The public sector is floundering thanks to state cutbacks, while private sector profits are flourishing, but not resulting in a net gain in jobs.


I can somewhat agree. Overall, the public sector down a little bit with some real big cutback in state and local governments. The federal public jobs, however, are up.

And while private sector profits are up, this is mostly for a handfull of mega-corporations and does not really translate well into the private sector as a whole.

There may be legitimate times to call for public service cuts, such as when there as when there is full employment and not enough need for public services, but I don't see that as being relevant right now.

While the reluctance to cut jobs in a shaky economy does have merit, so does the need to trim deficits. The US debt is not some vauge idea that will wait to raise it's ugly head only once we have full employment. It has very serious repercussions that could sap the fiscal viability of this country faster than you think. Ideally, we need to come up with solutions that do both.

Deficits are huge partly because taxes are too low to sustain our economy and way of life.

while that is very true, this mess it too big just to fix with tax increases. Both need to be looked at very hard. Sadly, Democrats are resisting cuts to spending and Republicans are resisting increases to taxes with both sides saying that ther other's plan will kill the economy.
2012-06-13 01:22:19 PM  
1 votes:

Karma Chameleon: Diogenes: I'll be the first to say, "Not helping."

Whatever. We need more firebrands like this. The right can make outrageous comments with impunity, and it's goddamn effective. Look at the course of dialogue in this nation. It keeps moving further and further right. Why is it when a liberal says something outrageous, they immediately have to apologize?


Because we're better than that. Polarizing our political spectrum is just plain dangerous. The right-wingers are doing it, but the last thing anyone needs is to add to it, and the left wing seems to recognize this. That should be wholeheartedly applauded.

Certainly, I have nothing against impassioned defense of and explanation of the truth, and I actually advocate it (for example, let's put out a website that walks you through, in second-person, the story of a woman who needs an abortion, because that will help people who honestly don't understand why abortions are important). But we have to draw the line at vicious and overstated personal attacks, or we risk causing serious harm to the nation. The point is to help the nation grow, not tear it down.
2012-06-13 12:42:06 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: She should be ignored as such instead of lauded as a "firebrand" as someone did earlier.


except hyperbole and "low class" statements are what moves an agenda.
2012-06-13 12:14:40 PM  
1 votes:
Joke would have been better without the "Mormon" part. I don't recall Mitt saying (yet) that fire departments should be faith-based entities.
2012-06-13 12:01:41 PM  
1 votes:
I'm definitely not voting for her after this.
2012-06-13 11:58:21 AM  
1 votes:

The Mavrick: I don't have a problem with you denouncing something stupid. I don't even know who this woman is, and I haven't said anything to defend her. In order to denounce her, you rolled over on your back and played apologist for a lunatic who threatened the President. A lunatic whose first mention in the thread came from you, I might add. You created a false equivalence because you were scared that a Republican would be mean to you.


I used him as a broad example of people who say counterproductive stupid shiat. I can be critical of Behar without giving a pass to Nugent.

Yes, I'm soooo weak for standing up for my own standards.

tenpoundsofcheese: There is just no hate like Liberal Hate.


You're not helping either *shock*

Well, I'm out of here. It's lunchtime and I find most of you thoroughly exhausting. As well as a perfect personification of why we collectively suck.
2012-06-13 11:56:24 AM  
1 votes:

Karma Chameleon: Diogenes: I'll be the first to say, "Not helping."

Whatever. We need more firebrands like this. The right can make outrageous comments with impunity, and it's goddamn effective. Look at the course of dialogue in this nation. It keeps moving further and further right. Why is it when a liberal says something outrageous, they immediately have to apologize?


Yeah, when I look at modern political discourse, the first thing that I think is "Man, I sure wish we had more retards spouting gibberish".
2012-06-13 11:56:02 AM  
1 votes:

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: topcon: Diogenes: The Mavrick: You sure are. You're agreeing that some random woman on television needs to be denounced because she doesn't like Romney. You're agreeing to that because it's exactly the same as Nugent being courted by the Romney campaign and then threatening the President. Exactly the same. And it doesn't matter that the right not only didn't rebuke Nugent, they defended him. Both sides are bad.

Well, here was a perfect opportunity to exercise consistent ideals. And I'm seeing a big heaping of FAIL.

Welcome to Fark. Where if you criticize anything or anyone resembling left of center, you're a sekret Republican.

No. If you criticize anything or anyone resembling left of center they label you a troll instead of saying anything remotely intelligent to rebut your point.


I don't think you are a troll, just mentally inadequate.
2012-06-13 11:53:06 AM  
1 votes:

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: No. If you criticize anything or anyone resembling left of center they label you a troll instead of saying anything remotely intelligent to rebut your point.


Was the point you're expecting someone to rebut intelligent in the fist place?

At some point, it becomes tiresome and pointless to attempt intelligent responses to a constant barrage of "SOCIALISM! FREEDOM HATER! NANNY STATE! BIG GOVERNMENT! WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION!"

If you're looking for intelligent discussion, as Diogenes is attempting to demonstrate, then your first move should be to attempt in that yourself.
2012-06-13 11:46:23 AM  
1 votes:

topcon: Welcome to Fark. Where if you criticize anything or anyone resembling left of center, you're a sekret Republican.


There's a lot of extremists on both sides of the political spectrum on this site. If you are pretending like this exact behavior is exclusive to one "side," then your acting just as silly as the people you decry.
2012-06-13 11:40:56 AM  
1 votes:

The Mavrick: You sure are. You're agreeing that some random woman on television needs to be denounced because she doesn't like Romney. You're agreeing to that because it's exactly the same as Nugent being courted by the Romney campaign and then threatening the President. Exactly the same. And it doesn't matter that the right not only didn't rebuke Nugent, they defended him. Both sides are bad.

You'll be voting Republican in no time.


Yes, I denounced a stupid remark. Surely I'll overhaul my entire ideology.

I don't care how big or small, important or unimportant she is. It was dumb, it doesn't help, and I said so. That makes me a Romney supporter? Asshole.

While accepting for the moment that there are degrees of wrongness, and some people may be serving in more official capacities with the campaigns than others, I am reminded of how often "we liberals" say we denounce our crazies while the conservatives put them in the driver's seat.

Well, here was a perfect opportunity to exercise consistent ideals. And I'm seeing a big heaping of FAIL.
2012-06-13 11:34:54 AM  
1 votes:

topcon: Honestly I had no idea what Mitch Rodney said. I thought she was just saying she hoped his house burned down.


Here's an overview of the news she was responding to.
2012-06-13 11:33:08 AM  
1 votes:
A Blaze article about something on The View? The stupid cancels itself out.
2012-06-13 11:31:23 AM  
1 votes:

Karma Chameleon: Diogenes: I'll be the first to say, "Not helping."

Whatever. We need more firebrands like this. The right can make outrageous comments with impunity, and it's goddamn effective. Look at the course of dialogue in this nation. It keeps moving further and further right. Why is it when a liberal says something outrageous, they immediately have to apologize?


It's that sort of thinking that makes good people become worse than their enemies. If you're OK with that, fine. I want no part of it.

"The operation was a success, but the patient is dead."
2012-06-13 11:25:36 AM  
1 votes:

The Mavrick: Diogenes: skullkrusher: Joy Behar is a loud mouth blow hard. No one cares what she says. Except housewives ages 27-65

No one cares about Ted Nugent either.

Romney courted Nugent's endorsement. Did Obama ask for Behar's help?

Are both sides bad?


Aaannd there's the "degree of wrongness" stupidity I just mentioned.

How dare I try to be fair and even handed, and call out a nut when I see one. I've betrayed the cause!

OK. I hope ALL of Romney's houses burn down!

Am I doing it right?
2012-06-13 11:24:57 AM  
1 votes:

MFL: why is it that the majority of people we see on TV pushing their causes are lunatics and idiots?


You're the fox fan, you tell us.
2012-06-13 11:19:48 AM  
1 votes:

MFL: For as intelligent progressives fancy themselves as being....why is it that the majority of people we see on TV pushing their causes are lunatics and idiots?


Your selection bias is showing.
2012-06-13 11:18:53 AM  
1 votes:
Who cares, tardmitter. Mitt Romney has 38 other houses he can live in. Fark him and fark you.
2012-06-13 11:17:18 AM  
1 votes:
Not cool, Joy. What if his kids Frap and Dunk were in there?
2012-06-13 11:15:58 AM  
1 votes:

EyeballKid: What's this? Wishing one suffers the consequences of one's own words and beliefs put into action, directly affecting them?! OF ALL THE NERVE!!!!


Aaaaaaaaand there goes my monocle.


This. I'm failing to see the outrage over this. Although honestly I have no idea who the woman is who said it.
2012-06-13 11:15:26 AM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: No one cares about Ted Nugent either. But in the interest of fairness I think it's appropriate to denounce her words.


I don't care enough about Joy Behar to click this link, but did she say this asinine crap at a democratic political rally analogous to CPAC where President Obama was also speaking? Or did she just say it on some TV show no one watches?

There's kind of a difference.
2012-06-13 11:12:53 AM  
1 votes:
Yeah what she said is almost as ridiculous as Romney's statement that she was responding to. Definitely not helping.
2012-06-13 11:03:02 AM  
1 votes:
I don't see the problem with what she said.
2012-06-13 10:18:35 AM  
1 votes:
Why can't the Democratic Party control it's comedians???
 
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