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2012-06-13 09:59:16 AM
5 votes:
I don't know any Mac users who would know how to do that anyway.
2012-06-13 10:26:39 AM
3 votes:
This is exactly why I don't use Apple stuff.
I'd love to be part of the hip, tech savvy crowd (I really would), but the company just insists on controlling everything that its users can do with the products.

Screw that.
2012-06-13 10:09:34 AM
2 votes:
Their products look and work wonderfully. Their insistence on not allowing user-exchangeable parts is truly frustrating, however.
2012-06-13 09:51:41 AM
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Simple solution.
Don't buy it.


This is why I stopped buying Apple products after they discontinued the Apple II line.
2012-06-13 09:40:23 AM
2 votes:
Simple solution.
Don't buy it.
2012-06-14 03:02:28 PM
1 votes:
"If your eyes suck, that Retina display would be nice, I'm thinking."

Wrong. The resolution would be so big your old eyes wouldn't be able to read shiat. You'll be wishing they still allowed 640x480 on monitors.
2012-06-14 06:51:28 AM
1 votes:

Rev.K: ust read this article. Apple has gone to great lengths to make it as difficult as possible for users to make modifications or improvements on their own. This is done to keep Apple customers coming back to Apple to get their hardware and upgrades and/or to get them to purchase new models sooner than they would have if they were able to do upgrades themselves.

It is painfully obvious that is what they do.


A point I don't think anyone has made is the environmental effect this sort of "non-upgradeable laptop" practice has.

This is painfully very environmentally damaging, as all this leads to is useless waste for the sake of profits and a captive market. I understand Apple' desire to make the product fit a certain design spec, but this not only cripples the computer from the outset, but it will lead to a lot of tossed in the waste bin electronic items which are needlessly discarded before their actual value has diminished.

/So much for Apple's "enviro-friendly" BS
//Their spaceship errr...campus their building will not make up for their enviro-destruction.
2012-06-14 12:41:39 AM
1 votes:
Yup, I've been waiting for the Retina MacBook for a couple of months now. I'd been planning to get a 17" model, but figured a 15" 2x-resolution screen would be preferable.

For all I know, it would be. But the double whammy of non-upgradeable RAM and SSD takes it off the table, period.

So, I'm off to get a 17", quick before they sell out (since they've apparently been flat-out discontinued). Unfortunately, MacMall sees us coming, and has bumped up the price on that model twice since Monday's announcement. So maybe I'll get a refurb instead -- I've had good luck with them in the past. $1800-1900 base, $150 now or $75 later to come up to 16GB, and another $200 or so to go SSD when the price-per-gig gets a bit lower. The price will still be comparable, until you count the nickels and dimes I won't have to shell out for Ethernet adapter, FW adapter, DVI adapter, MagSafe adapter, and so on.

If I'm willing to lug a 17", you can imagine how impressed I am with that 1/4" of thickness and half-pound of weight Apple managed to save by direct-mounting the RAM and flash. I like their stuff; I sure wish they hadn't decided to blow off my cohort.
2012-06-14 12:08:38 AM
1 votes:
I am an escalation manager for one of the largest telecoms in the us, and while the comany does suck, 90 percent of the calls I have to field are from Apple users who are just clueless. Maybe 1 percent know what the are talking about. Most cannot turn off the iphone completely.

The best was a guy called in last month because he bought a new iphone 4s from apple, and the screen was going out and the phone was randomly shutting off. He read the riot act to one of my reps and demanded that the store he was standing in give him a new phone ASAP.

I informed him since he had only had the phone two weeks he needed to return it to the Apple store who had sold it to him, and have it replaced, as it was still under their return policy. He then started to rip into me, and said he did not have time to go into the Apple store. I advised him that they sold it to him, they had to service it within the first 30 days, as that is Apples rules in retail on the Iphones they sell.

Meanwhile I do an IMEI search on the phone and find out that another customer had bought the same phone from an Apple store, same problems, and they returned it.

So the phone was shipped back to Apple, boxed up as new, and shipped across country to another location, to be sold as new.

i informed the customer of this and told him that his fight was with apple. He proceeded to call me an asshole luddite and how dare I profane Apple with such slander and he was going to contact Apples legal staff and have me sued.

So with him on the phone I call Apple and give them the IMEI, the situation and Apple got really quiet and said "we do not know how a used phone was resold as new, we will make it right." I asked the guy if he had anything to say for himself. And he told me to fark off and hung up....

Which is par or the course when you support Apple users.

I have been supporting them since 1996 and nothing much has changed.
2012-06-13 11:57:12 PM
1 votes:

Hand Banana: ZipSplat: Why does everyone get so mad at Apple? I don't get mad at BMW for making expensive cars that are too heavily engineered for me to service in my own garage.

I didn't know adding RAM to a PC was like working on a car, but apparently it is exactly the same.


Also BMW is using the same engines as Kia just putting them in a prettier body.
2012-06-13 11:15:12 PM
1 votes:

bgflores: Cooper420: Apple, we don't want to poking around in the computer, just use the damn thing and buy a new one every 3-4 years.

Want 16GB RAM? You can have that, just pay $500!

What a farking joke, apple can eat my ass. Never once paid for an Apple product and never will.

It's $200, troll, to go from 8 to 16GB on the new Macbook Pro. Keep huffing whatever it is that you found in your parents' basement.


You realize that 16 gigs of RAM has a street price of $100 without any rebates, sales, etc., right? And 8 gigs runs around $45. So, if you were able to upgrade the RAM yourself, you'd save $100 instantly and you could sell the 8 gigs you pulled out to a friend for $20-30. Even if you throw the old RAM in the trash, you're still coming out way ahead of paying Apple's prices.

THAT is why Apple wants to use non-serviceable parts in their machines.

I can understand why someone with no tech skills would consider Apple's pricing reasonable but, to me, it's a waste of money.
2012-06-13 06:14:30 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: Marine1: fracto73: Jim_Callahan: Eh, it's the hallmark of cheap/half-assed design. My little 100$ Asus netbook that I use for power-point presentations doesn't allow you to access the battery without physically damaging the case either.

Though actually the RAM is accessible and the screen can be disassembled, so there's that.

//Why I would care on a netbook is beyond me, I can see people being annoyed by this in a more expensive laptop, though.


I think it's more of a size issue than being half-assed. Both your netbook and this mac are trying to be small. If they wanted to half-ass the design they wouldn't have created an entirely new HD design just to make it fit.

You know, I've been wondering this over the last few months... just how damned thin does a notebook PC need to be? I mean, really?

Let me tell you: the iPad has really made a difference to me. But, then, I'm old and the weight difference is tangible for me.


Well, an iPad, yeah. You hold that in your hands. A laptop? I mean, that's something you put in your lap (if you like roasted pubes) or on a desk. Thinness just doesn't matter as much, and if we're cutting RJ-45 ports and swappable memory out on high-end laptops in order to achieve it, we're past the point where it makes sense.
2012-06-13 05:16:59 PM
1 votes:

ZipSplat: Why does everyone get so mad at Apple?


Why does everyone get so mad at Monster cable?
2012-06-13 02:54:42 PM
1 votes:
Eh, it's the hallmark of cheap/half-assed design. My little 100$ Asus netbook that I use for power-point presentations doesn't allow you to access the battery without physically damaging the case either.

Though actually the RAM is accessible and the screen can be disassembled, so there's that.

//Why I would care on a netbook is beyond me, I can see people being annoyed by this in a more expensive laptop, though.
2012-06-13 02:49:04 PM
1 votes:

xsarien: The point bears repeating, though: Macs age a lot more gracefully than PCs


No, they don't. They age more gracefully than crappy budget PCs, but you can build a PC with the same quality and longevity as a Mac. I have a machine I built back in 2006 that's still running today without a problem. Only thing that ever needed replaced was the hard drive and that's because I cheaped out on it.

The notion that Apple's stuff lasts longer is nonsense. The option to buy cheap budget PCs of questionable quality doesn't mean there's an obligation and that all PCs are like that.
2012-06-13 02:10:03 PM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: fracto73: If someone was looking for a laptop, what brand would you send them towards?

I build my own so usually my first suggestion is don't buy a laptop.

For a PC laptop probably Toshiba. If they have the money and don't mind getting used to a new OS I don't mind pointing out that apple makes decent hardware. The only problem is that they are expensive and applecare sucks big time if you need repair where you can take a non-apple laptop to any schmuck who calls him or herself a PC tech and probably get it repaired.


I don't care much for laptops but if I did buy one for myself it would be a Thinkpad.
2012-06-13 02:09:27 PM
1 votes:
Dear everyone:

T-series Lenovo Thinkpads are better products. They have better support and warranty terms, they're more durable and have longer-lasting batteries. They're less expensive. Every model has an ethernet port, easily-replaceable RAM and the optical drive can be easily swapped for either a second (or third, for some configurations) battery or a second (or third for some configurations) hard disk drive.

Thank you.
2012-06-13 01:37:24 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Realistically, do you think you'll need more than 16 GB in 4 years, or do you think you'll keep the laptop expecting top performance more than 4 years?


I do know that typically the price of RAM drops 25-40% a year for the current generation. I enjoy being able to buy a system with a usable amount of RAM, then in 2 years, for a very low cost, dramatically increasing the performance of the machine by doubling the ram and putting in a faster hard drive - giving new life into a machine that would no longer be giving top performance.

This is what we do in the office, as our CAD users always get a top-of-the-line workstation. After two years, I'll pass that system down to one of our non-CAD graphic designers, while upgrading the RAM and hard drive. Working that way has served me well.

Hell, I bought a multitouch tablet/netbook 3 years ago. After bumping up the RAM from 1 gig to 4, and putting in an SSD, it's a blazingly fast little machine for home use. The upgrades cost me about $150, to a machine that cost $400.
2012-06-13 01:31:43 PM
1 votes:

NutznGum: It's just a computer. Relax.


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Oops.

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2012-06-13 01:23:10 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: make me some tea: FlashHarry: make me some tea: This is why I stopped buying Apple products after they discontinued the Apple II line.

wait, what?

how does a computer built in the early 80s bear ANY resemblance to one built now?

The Apple II was user-serviceable, the Mac wasn't. PCs were user-serviceable and still are, so I went that direction and never looked back.

Maybe the first Macs. But the desktops going back to at least 1994 have always been and still are - aside from the iMac, which was user-serviceable for a while but I think not anymore.

FWIW, Dell used to be a horror-story: user-serviceable, but with proprietary parts. Even the power supply was oddly-shaped and slightly smaller to keep you from using a third-party part.


I jumped ship to the PC in 1990. Macs weren't user-serviceable then. I think I've seen the inside of an iMac or whatever they call the tower ones, and Mac hardware is definitely nice, but I can't grok the OSX GUI.

I remember when all the name-brands used proprietary stuff. I used to work on em in the shop. Pain in the ass.
2012-06-13 01:17:07 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: FWIW, Dell used to be a horror-story: user-serviceable, but with proprietary parts. Even the power supply was oddly-shaped and slightly smaller to keep you from using a third-party part.


I think they still use BTX just to spite people
2012-06-13 01:13:54 PM
1 votes:

make me some tea: FlashHarry: make me some tea: This is why I stopped buying Apple products after they discontinued the Apple II line.

wait, what?

how does a computer built in the early 80s bear ANY resemblance to one built now?

The Apple II was user-serviceable, the Mac wasn't. PCs were user-serviceable and still are, so I went that direction and never looked back.


Maybe the first Macs. But the desktops going back to at least 1994 have always been and still are - aside from the iMac, which was user-serviceable for a while but I think not anymore.

FWIW, Dell used to be a horror-story: user-serviceable, but with proprietary parts. Even the power supply was oddly-shaped and slightly smaller to keep you from using a third-party part.
2012-06-13 01:10:55 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: Except Apple doesn't build in obsolescence.


Are you kidding?

Apple is the worst offender for handicapping its products and making upgrades difficult or impossible. Then they release another model that has the feature(s) the old model should have had. And the process repeats.

I'm not taking OS-wise, I mean hardware-wise.
2012-06-13 01:10:52 PM
1 votes:
Whats better then this news is all the apple fanboys running to defend it, saying we don't need to be able to upgrade ram or no one does that anyways.
2012-06-13 01:09:24 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Simple solution.
Don't buy it.

Buy another one with more memory at your local Apple store. Apparently PCs can be both overpriced AND disposable.
2012-06-13 01:06:10 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: make me some tea: This is why I stopped buying Apple products after they discontinued the Apple II line.

wait, what?

how does a computer built in the early 80s bear ANY resemblance to one built now?


The Apple II was user-serviceable, the Mac wasn't. PCs were user-serviceable and still are, so I went that direction and never looked back.
2012-06-13 01:05:42 PM
1 votes:

kingoomieiii: If you can open it yourself and upgrade it, they won't be able to shaft you hundreds of dollars for a $100 ram stick.


It doesn't use RAM sticks at all, the memory is soldered to the motherboard. Want to upgrade your RAM, then F.U., buy a new Macbook says Apple. It's nothing new for them though, Apple products have always been disposable garbage.
2012-06-13 01:00:34 PM
1 votes:

Rev.K: gingerjet: In case you are missed it - MacBook Pro is a laptop. Not a desktop.

I was responding to the notion that modern computers are supposed to have short lives.

That is, of course, bullsh*t. That's what Apple, HP, Toshiba and IBM want you to believe, but it's bullsh*t.


Except Apple doesn't build in obsolescence. Apple OSes have basically been obscenely backwards-compatible. The only real exception came when they changed over to an Intel processor from Motorola.
2012-06-13 12:44:45 PM
1 votes:
RAM that Apple sells on their site cost like $100 a chip* anyway. If you could afford that you can afford to jerk off +$2000 ever three years or so.
*Compared to chips you can get at newegg for -$30 that will work with Apple products
2012-06-13 11:59:20 AM
1 votes:

kingoomieiii: I've had a single computer continuously since high school. The last original part was the original C: drive, a 120gb that finally going. Luckily it was only a storage drive at that point. But it's still the same computer.


I've had so many of my friends ask me about what they should do for a computer and I always say "build your own, it will last longer and be cheaper. I'll help you".

Some of them take me up, but others went off and bought Macs or bought HP all-in-one units and then they come to me in a year or two and say "how do I upgrade this?".

*facepalm*

Build your own. Always.
2012-06-13 11:06:13 AM
1 votes:

ZAZ: FlashHarry

See "Forrest Curve."


yup. exactly.

i was at my in-laws a week ago. my mother-in-law has my old first-gen macbook pro from 2006. i was surprised at how fast it was - at least at doing the things she needed to do: surfing, email, etc. i really only buy new stuff because i'm a tech geek. in truth, i could probably live with my current machine (a 2010 MBP) for another two or more years.

but i remember buying a $1,700 PC laptop in 1999, only to have it be pretty much worthless just a couple of years later because it was too slow to run XP. i'm SO glad i switched to macs. in most cases, upgrading the OS means legacy hardware gets faster. hell, when i installed lion, i GAINED something like 6 GB of HD space!
2012-06-13 11:03:35 AM
1 votes:

DON.MAC: Why don't they just injection mold the whole thing? A 20 part mold could work fine.


I think you just described the 2014 model

/the Mac Bic Pro disposable
2012-06-13 10:32:10 AM
1 votes:

ZAZ: Modern computers are meant to have short lives.


they have longer lives now than they used to. in the late 90s and early 2000s during the "megahertz wars," new machines seemed be obsolete in mere months. after switching to macs in about 2004 or so, i would replace my laptops about once every 3 or 4 years, though all of them are still working just fine and have been passed down to various family members.
2012-06-13 10:28:46 AM
1 votes:

Slaxl: Apple's chassis decisions may well be an acceptable compromise given the new MacBook Pro's attributes.

What abilities?

attributes

.

"retina" display. thin. light. fast. SS hd. that stuff.

it's not for everybody. if you don't like it, don't buy it.
2012-06-13 10:25:33 AM
1 votes:

exick: Why would they want to learn and give up the chance to go to the Apple store and hang out at the Genius Bar?


I like to hang out there and pretend I'm on the Enterprise from the new Trek movie.
2012-06-13 10:15:09 AM
1 votes:

Mugato: I don't know any Mac users who would know how to do that anyway.


Why would they want to learn and give up the chance to go to the Apple store and hang out at the Genius Bar? That smell that all the Apple stores have? That's no accident. They actually pump in a special air solution that's 5ppb methane from Steve Jobs' own personal fart collection. There's on way you're going to get them to give up on the chance to let some 38 year old bearded hipster swap memory sticks in their laptop while they get to let gaseous remnants of their deity's cornbox rain down on them.
2012-06-13 09:51:22 AM
1 votes:
If you can open it yourself and upgrade it, they won't be able to shaft you hundreds of dollars for a $100 ram stick.
2012-06-13 09:50:06 AM
1 votes:
Why don't they just injection mold the whole thing? A 20 part mold could work fine.
 
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