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(Digital Life)   Lawyer representing FunnyJunk against The Oatmeal is amazed there are "people who would besiege my website and send me a string of obscene emails" goes on to try and shut down charity campaign   (digitallife.today.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 269
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2012-06-13 09:38:12 AM
What an ass.
 
2012-06-13 09:54:22 AM

unlikely: What an ass.


I know, right? Insulting someone's mother like that is really uncalled for.
 
2012-06-13 10:08:48 AM
So the attorney has doubled down his douchebaggery by trying to stop the fundraiser. This will not end well.
 
2012-06-13 10:10:56 AM

Babwa Wawa: unlikely: What an ass.

I know, right? Insulting someone's mother like that is really uncalled for.


I have more sympathy for the poor bear.
 
2012-06-13 10:12:03 AM

slayer199: So the attorney has doubled down his douchebaggery by trying to stop the fundraiser. This will not end well.


Wait until 4chan hears about this. It's like the man is deliberately trying to ruin his own life.
 
2012-06-13 10:13:04 AM
Call me a cynic, but I bet they're all in cahoots. The publicity they're both getting for this is unbelievable and there's no way that lawyer is a real person.

I even bet that the Cancer Society and the National Wildlife Federation don't see a penny of the donated money.

/cynic
 
2012-06-13 10:23:44 AM
"I'm completely unfamiliar really with this style of responding to a legal threat - I've never really seen it before," Carreon explains. "I don't like seeing anyone referring to my mother as a sexual deviant," he added, referencing the drawing Inman posted.

He wasn't talking about your mom. Learn to read.
 
2012-06-13 10:33:07 AM
Funny stuff that's what he gets for being a dick
 
2012-06-13 10:34:21 AM
Welcome to the internet.
 
2012-06-13 10:34:50 AM
Time to start a fundraiser to save the original fundraiser.
 
2012-06-13 10:37:39 AM

JerseyTim: "I'm completely unfamiliar really with this style of responding to a legal threat - I've never really seen it before," Carreon explains. "I don't like seeing anyone referring to my mother as a sexual deviant," he added, referencing the drawing Inman posted.

He wasn't talking about your mom. Learn to read.


Yeah. The lawyer's mom would never seduce a bear. She's seduced by bears.
 
2012-06-13 10:38:54 AM

GooberMcFly: there's no way that lawyer is a real person.


Charles Carreon is a real person
 
2012-06-13 10:39:39 AM
His father would be so proud of raising money for charity.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-13 10:39:50 AM
Farking First Amendement, how does it work?
 
2012-06-13 10:40:41 AM
i1181.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-13 10:42:02 AM
This lawyer must not be familiar with how the internet works.
 
2012-06-13 10:42:14 AM
Article doesn't actually mention why FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 from the Oatmeal.
 
2012-06-13 10:42:24 AM
What a tool.
 
2012-06-13 10:44:46 AM

Marcus Aurelius: slayer199: So the attorney has doubled down his douchebaggery by trying to stop the fundraiser. This will not end well.

Wait until 4chan hears about this. It's like the man is deliberately trying to ruin his own life.


Anon may be sitting this one out. Someone tried to invoke them on the Donation comments page before he even hit the 20k mark, and they (some at least) reacted negatively to being treated like "flying monkeys." A little tiff started up, and that could turn them off from it easily.

Anon is a... complex beast. If you try to direct them, they seem to back off of something, even if it's in their usual ballpark.

The fact that he's actively trying to shut down the contribution page though... that may be enough on it's own.

My point is though, you don't task Anon. You wait for it to occur.
 
2012-06-13 10:44:53 AM
"I really did not expect that he would marshal an army of people who would besiege my website and send me a string of obscene emails," He doesn't seem to have much experience of the internet, he must be with AOL.
 
2012-06-13 10:45:02 AM

robbiex0r: Article doesn't actually mention why FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 from the Oatmeal.


Defamation. The letter sent to Oatmeal is on Oatmeal's website.

I kinda hope it ends up in court so a judge can dismiss the case on the grounds that you must have some character before it can be defamed.
 
2012-06-13 10:45:46 AM

robbiex0r: Article doesn't actually mention why FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 from the Oatmeal.


Defamation, it would seem.
 
2012-06-13 10:46:23 AM

robbiex0r: Article doesn't actually mention why FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 from the Oatmeal.


Because it was wrong for the Oatmeal to point out that funnyjunk was stealing their content.

In the not to distant future there will be a mandatory course at law schools called "How not to piss off the Internet."
 
2012-06-13 10:46:29 AM

rohar: robbiex0r: Article doesn't actually mention why FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 from the Oatmeal.

Defamation. The letter sent to Oatmeal is on Oatmeal's website.

I kinda hope it ends up in court so a judge can dismiss the case on the grounds that you must have some character before it can be defamed.


The charge will be dropped to famation.
 
2012-06-13 10:47:03 AM
Glad to hear Inman's lawyered up before these shenanigans were posted about.

Making popcorn for the next installment of Derplawyer Meets the Intertubes.
 
2012-06-13 10:47:09 AM
He tells me that while this situation is unique, he is typically open to negotiation.

I'd say this is a form of negotiation.
 
2012-06-13 10:47:36 AM

Snarfangel: The charge will be dropped to famation.


Hopefully, Inman doesn't cave and agree to refamation.
 
2012-06-13 10:47:58 AM
www.lolbrary.com
 
2012-06-13 10:48:32 AM
The lawyer might be an Evil Genius take the case and demand 20,000 knowing the Inman could counter sue and he'd make tons during the case.
 
2012-06-13 10:49:22 AM

robbiex0r: Article doesn't actually mention why FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 from the Oatmeal.


My thoughts exactly... Funnyjunk is being real quiet about that one. I'd guess the thought process was along the lines of "Hey! That guy has a successful website that DOESN'T look like a bunch of fourth graders practicing their HTML, why don't we sue extort him?"
 
2012-06-13 10:49:49 AM
funnyjunk is to the Oatmeal what
Dino M. Zaffina is to the Southern California Darts Association
 
2012-06-13 10:50:48 AM

Carth: The lawyer might be an Evil Genius take the case and demand 20,000 knowing the Inman could counter sue and he'd make tons during the case.


It'll never make it out of discovery. If there is a case, any competent lawyer for the defense will request the web logs which will be delivered and proof of the offending content will be there for the world to see. Judge drops case.

OR

It gets to discovery, logs are requested and the idiot lawyer figures out the gig is up and drops the case.
 
2012-06-13 10:51:54 AM

Action Seal: Time to start a fundraiser to save the original fundraiser.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-06-13 10:52:28 AM

robbiex0r: Article doesn't actually mention why FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 from the Oatmeal.


This tech dirt article goes into more depth about the lawsuit and parties involved.

Short answer: It is a settlement offer to avoid a defamation lawsuit.
 
2012-06-13 10:52:30 AM

slayer199: So the attorney has doubled down his douchebaggery by trying to stop the fundraiser. This will not end well.


I don't know if it's intentional or not, but the Oatmeal's fundraising campaign on IndieGoGo is now featured on their front page.
 
2012-06-13 10:53:22 AM
You'd think FunnyJunk would make a note of Imnam's fundraising capacity and figure out they're punching way about their weight class here.

/also shutting down charity drives is a great way to get the blackhats knocking on your door
//everybody loves to curbstomp the guy who is against raising money for cancer research
 
2012-06-13 10:53:35 AM

robbiex0r: Article doesn't actually mention why FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 from the Oatmeal.


Neither does the letter the Lawyer sent to Inman.

It looks basically like a legal shake down. Someone had the bright idea of trying to scare Inman (The Oatmeal) into taking down what he said about Funnyjunk by basically saying "Take that shiat down and gimme $20k or I'm taking you to court!"

I think the best part though:

FTFA"I don't think that what I did was unreasonable," Carreon says while discussing the initial demands sent to Inman. He tells me that while this situation is unique, he is typically open to negotiation. He ended the conversation with a promise to keep me updated on how things are resolved and on whether he takes any legal action against the folks who have been harassing him since Inman's "BearLove Good Cancer Bad" fundraising campaign started.

Sounds like he was expected Inman or his lawyer to respond back asking "how much to make it go away" and make a few easy bucks.
 
2012-06-13 10:53:38 AM
It must be a terrifying experience to have basically the entire internet hating/harassing you. Middle school was bad enough and that was only a couple hundred people.

/not saying he doesn't deserve it, just fascinated by the situation.
 
2012-06-13 10:54:08 AM
Luckily for the Oatmeal, truth is an affirmative defense against defamation, and the idiot's copyright infringement suit will go nowhere.
 
2012-06-13 10:54:48 AM

robbiex0r: Article doesn't actually mention why FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 from the Oatmeal.


The owner of Unfunnyjunk is asspained because of the opinion by Inman (The Oatmeal) that he's a scumbag for not making a decent effort to remove the stolen cartoons from Unfunnyjunk after Inman notified him. Basically, the cartoons that were removed gave Inman credit, and the ones that were left didn't. The absolutely worst, passive agressive, way to go about things. Unfunnyjunk also told their users that Inman was trying to shut down Unfunnyjunk to induce an internet riot, which happened.

An opinion that someone is a scumbag is not a farking tort in the first place. It's not libel or slander.

The letter is extortion. "Give me 20K and I won't make your life a hell for years, even if I don't have a leg to stand on."
 
2012-06-13 10:55:02 AM

HotWingConspiracy: He tells me that while this situation is unique, he is typically open to negotiation.

I'd say this is a form of negotiation.


I think this lawyer's definition of negotiation is much like the patent trolls; demand a high number, accept a lesser number when the accused party doesn't want to get tied up in court. I hope Inman follows Drew's example and shows them the door. Also this lawyer has clearly never heard of Jack Thompson.
 
2012-06-13 10:56:21 AM
It seems Charles Carreon fancies himself a Buddhist.
But doesn't seem to understand karma very well...
 
2012-06-13 10:57:15 AM
He tells me that while this situation is unique, [Carreon] is typically open to negotiation.

A negotiation is exactly what he is getting, Internet style.


We need pics of Carreon's mom in order to have an informed pinion on the issue.

Could this be her?
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-13 10:57:44 AM

Sofa King Smart: funnyjunk is to the Oatmeal what
Dino M. Zaffina is to the Southern California Darts Association


Middle initial removed for teh lulz.
 
2012-06-13 10:58:28 AM
Oh. My. Lord.

This has got to be my favorite thing in the entire article:

""It's an education in the power of mob psychology and the Internet," Carreon told me."

Oh, my friend, you have no idea. Trust me, you have not even begun to experience what teh interwebs can do.

I'm not even talking about Anon. Just regular people who will see this and react accordingly.
 
2012-06-13 11:02:44 AM

GavinTheAlmighty: GooberMcFly: there's no way that lawyer is a real person.

Charles Carreon is a real person


Knows what it's like to be accused of not being a real person:
greenobles.com
 
2012-06-13 11:04:23 AM

Carth: robbiex0r: Article doesn't actually mention why FunnyJunk is demanding $20,000 from the Oatmeal.

This tech dirt article goes into more depth about the lawsuit and parties involved.

Short answer: It is a settlement offer to avoid a defamation lawsuit.


Shorter answer: Extortion.
 
2012-06-13 11:04:36 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Babwa Wawa: unlikely: What an ass.

I know, right? Insulting someone's mother like that is really uncalled for.

I have more sympathy for the poor bear.


He bearly knew her, in the biblical sense.
 
2012-06-13 11:05:38 AM
www.elephantjournal.com
 
2012-06-13 11:06:23 AM
Has the guy from Ocean Marketing offered to help him do damage control, yet?
 
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