"My stupidity is going on national television, isn't it..."

Enact strict voter identification laws, slant what qualifies as identification heavily towards demographics who trend conservative. Like for example, Texas, where a CCW license qualifies as a valid ID but not a ID card issued by a state university. Meanwhile, close or severely restrict access to outlets which issue identification (BMV's) particularly in low-income areas or those in areas that trend liberal, like for example Wisconsin where Scott Walker went on his BMV closure spree, or raise severe barriers to acquiring identification, like in my home state of Indiana that requires separate evidence (of which only a small number of things count) to establish identity, citizenship status, state residency and SSN. Supplement that with "provisional ballot" laws that allow citizens to think they voted, but in reality their votes are completely discarded as elections are certified well before "provisional ballots" can be validated.

Disenroll large numbers of voters. Move registration dates earlier, so people cannot register prior to elections. Severely restrict early voting.

All under the facade of curbing "voter fraud" -- something that has a 1-in-50,000 odds of occurring, and even then is largely accidental opposed to intentional -- while not only ignoring but actually justifying real, commonplace, and ongoing acts of election fraud (like for example, "erroneous" mailers and robocalls) that despite being stupid are still criminal acts. What mystifies and disturbs me is not that certain people cannot understand there is a definitive agenda at work, but rather that it is actually defended and cheered on by the same people who claim so vociferously to want free and fair elections.

barneyfifesbullet: The only people that have a problem with IDs at poll places are those with something to hide. And you guys are part of that obviously.

Get some more spin from Jon Stewart and kos now, sheep.

Again, this thread HAD nothing to do with IDs until you or another person brought it up. And no, that is YOUR judgment, it doesn't make it true that people who have problems with IDs are hiding something.

I have a farking problem with little fascist f*cks like you making it very difficult for some poor, disabled, elderly people to get an ID. farking Michigan closed DMV offices in poor neighborhoods to fark over certain segments of the population.

So go f*ck yourself, you deflecting piece of shiat troll. Stick with the argument at hand or get reported and booted, you lousy dog shiat eating threadshiatter.

sdd2000: barneyfifesbullet: Providing ID to vote isn't a problem for anyone unless they are trying to hide something. IDs are free, at least they are here. Sure they are not immediate, but anyone can get one ahead of time.

If you can't be bothered to be able to prove you are who you say you are, then you have no business voting.

They also have essentially eliminated voter registration drives by requiring that within 48 hours of signature the registration forms be turned in with no exceptions for weekends or holidays.

You shouldn't be able to walk into a building, register to vote, and vote immediately. That just begs for fraud. There should be a process time. If this is a bother for you, then you are not voting.

Again you don't seem to know what is going on in Florida.

The change that they are pushing is not for voter registration on the day of voting, but that a voter registration drive now for November must have all it's signatures in within 48 hours of the person signing the form. This has even caused the League of Women Voters, which is about the most non partisan group around, to stop doing voter registration drives. New voter registration, of valid potential voters is down over 20%. Tell me how this prevents fraud.

There won't be any fraud if no one votes.

//duh

Only time I can ever remember anyone getting busted for voter fraud in my Florida county, it was the Republican twin brother of a Republican city councilman. Said city councilman's brother got busted after a nasty breakup where his ex-boyfriend turned him in for stealing his absentee ballot and using it to vote for George W. Bush in 2000. Naturally, his brother, the now former city councilman, is constantly posting on Facebook about how Rick Scott needs to purge the voter rolls and require ID in order to prevent fraud.

/my stock Florida vote fraud post

barneyfifesbullet: Providing ID to vote isn't a problem for anyone unless they are trying to hide something. IDs are free, at least they are here. Sure they are not immediate, but anyone can get one ahead of time.

If you can't be bothered to be able to prove you are who you say you are, then you have no business voting.

They also have essentially eliminated voter registration drives by requiring that within 48 hours of signature the registration forms be turned in with no exceptions for weekends or holidays.

You shouldn't be able to walk into a building, register to vote, and vote immediately. That just begs for fraud. There should be a process time. If this is a bother for you, then you are not voting.

1) I thought you Independents™ were all abou the constitution. Where does it say you need an ID to vote?
2) Just because an ID itself is free doesn't mean it doesn't cost you anything to get one. Bus fares, postage, gas, etc. There should be ZERO barriers to voting, other than those prescribed in the constitution.
3) The 48 hour voting time has NOTHING to do with the actual time to vote. It is to make it tougher for third parties to turn in forms. This can be done MONTHS before an election and still, the forms, if turned in at 49 hours, are chucked.

In summation, you. suck. at. this.

I just contacted a Christian conservative group that's running registration drives here in Florida (even though they are in Cali). I'm pretending to want to register through them, and am concerned that they may not be in compliance with the 48 hour requirement.

Can't wait for that answer.

They are called United in Purpose if any of you have similar concerns *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*

How many times is this same basic story going to be repeated?

Republicans scream bloody murder about voter fraud.
Statistically insignificant instances of voter fraud are discovered, usually perpetuated by Republicans.
Republicans make some crack about dead voters in Chicago in 1968.

Of course... These measures have nothing to do with "fraud" and everything to do with keeping certain people from voting.

None of these clowns championing this crap can point out any widespread voter fraud.