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(The Daily Show)   The voter fraud in Florida is worse than you can imagine. Well actually it's only as bad as you can imagine. And by that I mean it's totally imaginary   (thedailyshow.com) divider line 210
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2012-06-13 11:42:00 AM  

Serious Black: barneyfifesbullet: If you can't provide ID you can't vote. Period.

That's what the sign outside of every polling place should say. You provide ID to buy beer and you can't do it to vote?

We have had to show picture ID (or equivalent for those with out a drivers license) here for years before voting and nobody cares because it is the sane thing to do. You show it at the door and you show it before you actually walk into the booth to vote.

I have a question. Which is a worse problem: letting a person who is ineligible to vote cast a ballot, or preventing a person who is ten people who are eligible to vote from casting a ballot?


Closer to what's going on...
 
2012-06-13 11:42:19 AM  
It's the principle of the matter. If we make it into enough of a hassle, poor people won't do it, because they're lazy. This is just like the welfare drug-testing. Poor people are lazy and use drugs, that's a fact. We don't want to let their kind into the voting booths.

We need to take steps to preserve our legacy.
 
2012-06-13 11:42:22 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: If you can't provide ID you can't vote. Period.

That's what the sign outside of every polling place should say. You provide ID to buy beer and you can't do it to vote?

We have had to show picture ID (or equivalent for those with out a drivers license) here for years before voting and nobody cares because it is the sane thing to do. You show it at the door and you show it before you actually walk into the booth to vote.


Everyone buys beer? Wow, I thought only some people bought beer.

In other words, you think only beer drinkers should vote. Got it.
 
2012-06-13 11:42:53 AM  
Maybe it's high time we offer Florida to Cuba as a bereavement gift after Fidel passes.
 
2012-06-13 11:43:41 AM  

FishyFred: keylock71: Of course... These measures have nothing to do with "fraud" and everything to do with keeping certain people from voting.

None of these clowns championing this crap can point out any widespread voter fraud.

I went around and around on Voter ID laws recently with a conservative friend of mine. Like you saw in the video, the justification wasn't that there is voter fraud going on now, but more a counterattack of "What is the mythical voting bloc you are protecting here? People who aren't engaged enough to know what they need to go vote? To update their voter registration?"

And also "Why are you opposed to people proving at the polls that they are who they say they are?"

Apparently, there has been some research that shows that Voter ID laws and voter purges do disenfranchise Democrats and Republicans equally. I can only hope that's true.


You don't happen to hail from Oklahoma City do you? I had an eerily similar conversation with a friend of mine from OKC. Along with gems like "well, they're just too lazy to get a photo ID anway," and "If they don't like the laws, vote to change them."

Yeah, frustrating conversation...
 
2012-06-13 11:44:11 AM  

vpb: They did find two guys who might possibly have voted illegally. They only disenfranchised a few thousand legitimate voters. That's a good ratio.



Oliver touched on this in the video and I wish he'd prodded Fund even harder on this point, because this is EXACTLY the argument we need to keep repeating.

I've asked some of our "conservative" pals about this in other Fark politics tab Republican disenfranchisement threads, and the question's either been deflected or ignored. Just watch, if any of them bother showing up to this thread, they'll avoid the question like the pussies they are.
 
2012-06-13 11:44:37 AM  

threedingers: Serious Black: barneyfifesbullet: If you can't provide ID you can't vote. Period.

That's what the sign outside of every polling place should say. You provide ID to buy beer and you can't do it to vote?

We have had to show picture ID (or equivalent for those with out a drivers license) here for years before voting and nobody cares because it is the sane thing to do. You show it at the door and you show it before you actually walk into the booth to vote.

I have a question. Which is a worse problem: letting a person who is ineligible to vote cast a ballot, or preventing a person who is ten people who are eligible to vote from casting a ballot?

Closer to what's going on...


You're giving the ending away, dumbass.
 
2012-06-13 11:45:32 AM  

phaseolus: vpb: They did find two guys who might possibly have voted illegally. They only disenfranchised a few thousand legitimate voters. That's a good ratio.


Oliver touched on this in the video and I wish he'd prodded Fund even harder on this point, because this is EXACTLY the argument we need to keep repeating.

I've asked some of our "conservative" pals about this in other Fark politics tab Republican disenfranchisement threads, and the question's either been deflected or ignored. Just watch, if any of them bother showing up to this thread, they'll avoid the question like the pussies they are.


Considering I just posed a very related question to the one troll who showed up so far, we'll see...
 
2012-06-13 11:48:50 AM  
The local fishwrapper has an online version and of course a comment section. One of the local Conserva-trolls was going on and on about how all those on the purge roll were Atheist Dems, so all Dems must be criminals.

And then I pointed out that 87% of the prison population are self identified Chrisrtions, while only 0.29% were self identified Atheist
 
2012-06-13 11:49:30 AM  

Serious Black: I have a question. Which is a worse problem: letting a person who is ineligible to vote cast a ballot, or preventing a person who is eligible to vote from casting a ballot?


And that question, "What is better? Punish the guilty or protect the innocent (statistically type I error or type II error)?" is probably the question that really defines where one falls on the political spectrum.

Serious Black: Well, obviously we should let the citizens who are the most bootstrappy have votes that count more. I'm not sold on simply counting up the money that each candidate raises and naming the person with the most money the winner though. If we force people to donate, that irreparably harms the donators by killing their businesses since they are the sources of their money. I think we should just scale people's votes by their net worth. Somebody like Bill Gates gets 10 billion votes, while somebody who owns a neighborhood barbershop gets just one vote. Deal?


We can even compromise with the commies a bit, to show we understand we're all in this together, in a big tent kind of way. How about something simple, like "If you own land, you can vote"? So easy even a hippie can understand it.
 
2012-06-13 11:50:54 AM  
"Any amount of voter fraud is too much"

Jesus Christ, that's the new Republican thing isn't it? "We have zero tolerance on things as common as lightening strikes so let's we need to inconvenience millions of people."

What's next? Forcing everyone to pay a Rapture tax?
 
2012-06-13 11:52:02 AM  

vernonFL: Remember in 2000 when thousands of elderly Jews voted for Pat Buchanan?

Now THAT was funny.


Even Pat Buchanan thought that was a bunch of horsesh*t.
 
2012-06-13 11:52:07 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: If you can't provide ID you can't vote. Period.


If you can't understand the topic of the submission, you can't comment. Period.

The whole point is that valid voters, ID notwithstanding, are being purged. You can't present ID at the polling place if you can't farking register in the first place.
 
2012-06-13 11:52:13 AM  
Providing ID to vote isn't a problem for anyone unless they are trying to hide something. IDs are free, at least they are here. Sure they are not immediate, but anyone can get one ahead of time.

If you can't be bothered to be able to prove you are who you say you are, then you have no business voting.

They also have essentially eliminated voter registration drives by requiring that within 48 hours of signature the registration forms be turned in with no exceptions for weekends or holidays.

You shouldn't be able to walk into a building, register to vote, and vote immediately. That just begs for fraud. There should be a process time. If this is a bother for you, then you are not voting.
 
2012-06-13 11:52:16 AM  

Serious Black: Well, obviously we should let the citizens who are the most bootstrappy have votes that count more. I'm not sold on simply counting up the money that each candidate raises and naming the person with the most money the winner though. If we force people to donate, that irreparably harms the donators by killing their businesses since they are the sources of their money. I think we should just scale people's votes by their net worth. Somebody like Bill Gates gets 10 billion votes, while somebody who owns a neighborhood barbershop gets just one vote. Deal?


You know what good point. If we force rich people to donate money, they will stop creating jobs. The scaling votes to net worth is better because no only do those with the most skin in the game get the most say but they get to keep their money so they can provide more jobs!
 
2012-06-13 11:54:32 AM  

whidbey: The voter fraud in Florida... I mean it's totally imaginary

Is this some kind of revisionist feel-good sentiment to distract us from the fact voter fraud did actually occur in Florida in the 2000 election?

I'm guessing yes.


Yeah, but that was excluding absentee ballots, voter intimidation and such stuff. I am sure Rick Scott did all he could to make sure what happened in 2000 won't happen in 2012.

(checks record...)

Oh.
 
2012-06-13 11:54:47 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: Providing ID to vote isn't a problem for anyone unless they are trying to hide something. IDs are free, at least they are here. Sure they are not immediate, but anyone can get one ahead of time.

If you can't be bothered to be able to prove you are who you say you are, then you have no business voting.

They also have essentially eliminated voter registration drives by requiring that within 48 hours of signature the registration forms be turned in with no exceptions for weekends or holidays.

You shouldn't be able to walk into a building, register to vote, and vote immediately. That just begs for fraud. There should be a process time. If this is a bother for you, then you are not voting.


WATCH THE VIDEO FUMB DUCK. NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT VOTER IDs EXCEPT YOU.
 
2012-06-13 11:55:09 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: Providing ID to vote isn't a problem for anyone unless they are trying to hide something. IDs are free, at least they are here. Sure they are not immediate, but anyone can get one ahead of time.

If you can't be bothered to be able to prove you are who you say you are, then you have no business voting.


I feel the same way about the fifth amendment. Providing an alibi isn't a problem for anyone, unless they are trying to hide something. Providing an alibi is free, everywhere.

Ifi you can't be bothered to be able to prove where you were last night around 9PM, then you have no business walking around free.

Repeal the 5th.
 
2012-06-13 11:55:12 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: Ds are free, at least they are here


Oh, so they must be free everywhere.

Dumbass.
 
2012-06-13 11:55:15 AM  

FishyFred: This was an epic takedown even by Daily Show standards. John Fund came off like an amateurish doofus College Republican.


But you repeat yourself.
 
2012-06-13 11:55:27 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: If you can't provide ID you can't vote. Period.

That's what the sign outside of every polling place should say. You provide ID to buy beer and you can't do it to vote?


Sure, as long as an ID option is made available that is 100% subsidized. Otherwise you are effectively forcing people to pay to vote.
 
2012-06-13 11:55:51 AM  

bdub77:
i.imgur.com

"My stupidity is going on national television, isn't it..."


"Wait a minute. You're not with the BBC, are you?"
 
2012-06-13 11:56:41 AM  

palelizard: Serious Black: Well, obviously we should let the citizens who are the most bootstrappy have votes that count more. I'm not sold on simply counting up the money that each candidate raises and naming the person with the most money the winner though. If we force people to donate, that irreparably harms the donators by killing their businesses since they are the sources of their money. I think we should just scale people's votes by their net worth. Somebody like Bill Gates gets 10 billion votes, while somebody who owns a neighborhood barbershop gets just one vote. Deal?

We can even compromise with the commies a bit, to show we understand we're all in this together, in a big tent kind of way. How about something simple, like "If you own land, you can vote"? So easy even a hippie can understand it.


I suppose we can give those dirty pinko Commie hippies a vote if they own land, but there's no way I'll give them more than one vote unless they do something productive with that land besides growing a bunch of hemp.
 
2012-06-13 11:58:56 AM  

barneyfifesbullet: Providing ID to vote isn't a problem for anyone unless they are trying to hide something. IDs are free, at least they are here. Sure they are not immediate, but anyone can get one ahead of time.

If you can't be bothered to be able to prove you are who you say you are, then you have no business voting.

They also have essentially eliminated voter registration drives by requiring that within 48 hours of signature the registration forms be turned in with no exceptions for weekends or holidays.

You shouldn't be able to walk into a building, register to vote, and vote immediately. That just begs for fraud. There should be a process time. If this is a bother for you, then you are not voting.


1) I thought you Independents™ were all abou the constitution. Where does it say you need an ID to vote?
2) Just because an ID itself is free doesn't mean it doesn't cost you anything to get one. Bus fares, postage, gas, etc. There should be ZERO barriers to voting, other than those prescribed in the constitution.
3) The 48 hour voting time has NOTHING to do with the actual time to vote. It is to make it tougher for third parties to turn in forms. This can be done MONTHS before an election and still, the forms, if turned in at 49 hours, are chucked.

In summation, you. suck. at. this.
 
2012-06-13 11:59:16 AM  

Brubold: The issue isn't as bad as Republicans like to believe but also isn't as non-existent as Democrats like to believe.


Numbers please.
 
2012-06-13 12:00:08 PM  
Idea: When you register for Selective Service, you also register to vote.

Wait. Now I'm disenfranchising women. Damn! Solution: Enter women in Selective Service.

It's not like we're ever going to have another draft.

Guidette Frankentits: WATCH THE VIDEO FUMB DUCK. NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT VOTER IDs EXCEPT YOU.


Actually, I think I brought it up first. My bad.
 
2012-06-13 12:00:18 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Providing ID to vote isn't a problem for anyone unless they are trying to hide something. IDs are free, at least they are here. Sure they are not immediate, but anyone can get one ahead of time.

If you can't be bothered to be able to prove you are who you say you are, then you have no business voting.

They also have essentially eliminated voter registration drives by requiring that within 48 hours of signature the registration forms be turned in with no exceptions for weekends or holidays.

You shouldn't be able to walk into a building, register to vote, and vote immediately. That just begs for fraud. There should be a process time. If this is a bother for you, then you are not voting.


Again you don't seem to know what is going on in Florida.

The change that they are pushing is not for voter registration on the day of voting, but that a voter registration drive now for November must have all it's signatures in within 48 hours of the person signing the form. This has even caused the League of Women Voters, which is about the most non partisan group around, to stop doing voter registration drives. New voter registration, of valid potential voters is down over 20%. Tell me how this prevents fraud.
 
2012-06-13 12:02:25 PM  
Only time I can ever remember anyone getting busted for voter fraud in my Florida county, it was the Republican twin brother of a Republican city councilman. Said city councilman's brother got busted after a nasty breakup where his ex-boyfriend turned him in for stealing his absentee ballot and using it to vote for George W. Bush in 2000. Naturally, his brother, the now former city councilman, is constantly posting on Facebook about how Rick Scott needs to purge the voter rolls and require ID in order to prevent fraud.

/my stock Florida vote fraud post
 
2012-06-13 12:02:47 PM  

sdd2000: barneyfifesbullet: Providing ID to vote isn't a problem for anyone unless they are trying to hide something. IDs are free, at least they are here. Sure they are not immediate, but anyone can get one ahead of time.

If you can't be bothered to be able to prove you are who you say you are, then you have no business voting.

They also have essentially eliminated voter registration drives by requiring that within 48 hours of signature the registration forms be turned in with no exceptions for weekends or holidays.

You shouldn't be able to walk into a building, register to vote, and vote immediately. That just begs for fraud. There should be a process time. If this is a bother for you, then you are not voting.

Again you don't seem to know what is going on in Florida.

The change that they are pushing is not for voter registration on the day of voting, but that a voter registration drive now for November must have all it's signatures in within 48 hours of the person signing the form. This has even caused the League of Women Voters, which is about the most non partisan group around, to stop doing voter registration drives. New voter registration, of valid potential voters is down over 20%. Tell me how this prevents fraud.


If voter fraud occurs at a .0004% rate, then a 20% decrease in voter registration will reduce voter fraud by .00008%.
 
2012-06-13 12:02:51 PM  

Diogenes: The whole point is that valid voters, ID notwithstanding, are being purged. You can't present ID at the polling place if you can't farking register in the first place.


Removing non-U.S. citizens from lists of registered voters is a bad thing? Most people would say no.

ID at all polls would greatly help anyway.
 
2012-06-13 12:02:56 PM  

sdd2000: barneyfifesbullet: Providing ID to vote isn't a problem for anyone unless they are trying to hide something. IDs are free, at least they are here. Sure they are not immediate, but anyone can get one ahead of time.

If you can't be bothered to be able to prove you are who you say you are, then you have no business voting.

They also have essentially eliminated voter registration drives by requiring that within 48 hours of signature the registration forms be turned in with no exceptions for weekends or holidays.

You shouldn't be able to walk into a building, register to vote, and vote immediately. That just begs for fraud. There should be a process time. If this is a bother for you, then you are not voting.

Again you don't seem to know what is going on in Florida.

The change that they are pushing is not for voter registration on the day of voting, but that a voter registration drive now for November must have all it's signatures in within 48 hours of the person signing the form. This has even caused the League of Women Voters, which is about the most non partisan group around, to stop doing voter registration drives. New voter registration, of valid potential voters is down over 20%. Tell me how this prevents fraud.


There won't be any fraud if no one votes.

//duh
 
2012-06-13 12:03:48 PM  

Serious Black: palelizard: Serious Black: Well, obviously we should let the citizens who are the most bootstrappy have votes that count more. I'm not sold on simply counting up the money that each candidate raises and naming the person with the most money the winner though. If we force people to donate, that irreparably harms the donators by killing their businesses since they are the sources of their money. I think we should just scale people's votes by their net worth. Somebody like Bill Gates gets 10 billion votes, while somebody who owns a neighborhood barbershop gets just one vote. Deal?

We can even compromise with the commies a bit, to show we understand we're all in this together, in a big tent kind of way. How about something simple, like "If you own land, you can vote"? So easy even a hippie can understand it.

I suppose we can give those dirty pinko Commie hippies a vote if they own land, but there's no way I'll give them more than one vote unless they do something productive with that land besides growing a bunch of hemp.


Definitely no hemp. What kind of fool would allow a hemp-monger to have a say in this country?

The economy is down--we should have a way to reward the job creators. You know, there's probably a pretty good portion of the populace that would be willing to work for room and board. We should remove minimum wage laws for job creators willing to do that. We'll have to make such agreements contractually binding, of course, so the poor and lazy can't just walk away and make the job creators look bad, not after taking their food and housing.

So maybe people should only be able to vote if they own land and have at least one permanent employee working it in exchange for room and board. A land owner and job creator--someone with some real skin in the game.
 
2012-06-13 12:04:50 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Diogenes: The whole point is that valid voters, ID notwithstanding, are being purged. You can't present ID at the polling place if you can't farking register in the first place.

Removing non-U.S. citizens from lists of registered voters is a bad thing? Most people would say no.

ID at all polls would greatly help anyway.


Really? And is that all the purge prescribes? Ask REPUBLICAN county election supervisors about the list, you know, the one they are refusing to implement.

//dude, just, stop. you can't win this. The GOP, your master, is even calling bullshiat on this one.
 
2012-06-13 12:05:18 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: [snip]


I'm going to ask you again. Which is a worse outcome: letting a person who is objectively ineligible to vote cast a ballot, or preventing a person who is objectively eligible to vote from casting a ballot?
 
2012-06-13 12:05:32 PM  
The only people that have a problem with IDs at poll places are those with something to hide. And you guys are part of that obviously.

Get some more spin from Jon Stewart and kos now, sheep.
 
2012-06-13 12:06:52 PM  

Mikey1969: barneyfifesbullet: If you can't provide ID you can't vote. Period.

That's what the sign outside of every polling place should say. You provide ID to buy beer and you can't do it to vote?

We have had to show picture ID (or equivalent for those with out a drivers license) here for years before voting and nobody cares because it is the sane thing to do. You show it at the door and you show it before you actually walk into the booth to vote.

Everyone buys beer? Wow, I thought only some people bought beer.

In other words, you think only beer drinkers should vote. Got it.


What kind of beer?
 
2012-06-13 12:06:53 PM  
Florida did some other silly shiat too.

Out where my folks live in the country, they are technically in Flagler County, but roughly 40-45mins from Bunnell.

They informed them that the voting location in the area (that must service at least 200 homes in the area) was being closed this year after being there over 25 years that I know of (at the local fire station), that's roughly a 5min drive for them.

They are being required to go to Bunnell to vote this year.

They've flat out said they are not driving that for to vote, whereas they have religiously voted every year since they could legally vote at 18... (same being the case for me).

Most of that neighborhood is republican, they're solid republican voters...

Real smart, Gov. Lex Luthor...
 
2012-06-13 12:07:00 PM  
Oh, come on. Obviously the Don Knotts guy is trolling.
 
2012-06-13 12:08:07 PM  
Really? And is that all the purge prescribes?

Doubtful. Just like you guys are only worried about poor little immigrants that can't vote.

You just don't want anyone looking at voter rolls at all.
 
2012-06-13 12:08:25 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: The only people that have a problem with IDs at poll places are those with something to hide. And you guys are part of that obviously.

Get some more spin from Jon Stewart and kos now, sheep.


Again, this thread HAD nothing to do with IDs until you or another person brought it up. And no, that is YOUR judgment, it doesn't make it true that people who have problems with IDs are hiding something.

I have a farking problem with little fascist f*cks like you making it very difficult for some poor, disabled, elderly people to get an ID. farking Michigan closed DMV offices in poor neighborhoods to fark over certain segments of the population.

So go f*ck yourself, you deflecting piece of shiat troll. Stick with the argument at hand or get reported and booted, you lousy dog shiat eating threadshiatter.
 
2012-06-13 12:09:01 PM  

palelizard: Serious Black: palelizard: Serious Black: Well, obviously we should let the citizens who are the most bootstrappy have votes that count more. I'm not sold on simply counting up the money that each candidate raises and naming the person with the most money the winner though. If we force people to donate, that irreparably harms the donators by killing their businesses since they are the sources of their money. I think we should just scale people's votes by their net worth. Somebody like Bill Gates gets 10 billion votes, while somebody who owns a neighborhood barbershop gets just one vote. Deal?

We can even compromise with the commies a bit, to show we understand we're all in this together, in a big tent kind of way. How about something simple, like "If you own land, you can vote"? So easy even a hippie can understand it.

I suppose we can give those dirty pinko Commie hippies a vote if they own land, but there's no way I'll give them more than one vote unless they do something productive with that land besides growing a bunch of hemp.

Definitely no hemp. What kind of fool would allow a hemp-monger to have a say in this country?

The economy is down--we should have a way to reward the job creators. You know, there's probably a pretty good portion of the populace that would be willing to work for room and board. We should remove minimum wage laws for job creators willing to do that. We'll have to make such agreements contractually binding, of course, so the poor and lazy can't just walk away and make the job creators look bad, not after taking their food and housing.

So maybe people should only be able to vote if they own land and have at least one permanent employee working it in exchange for room and board. A land owner and job creator--someone with some real skin in the game.


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I'm in full agreement with you here. We definitely shouldn't be letting people who aren't creating jobs and are simply mooching off of the system vote.
 
2012-06-13 12:09:34 PM  

Serious Black: Considering I just posed a very related question to the one troll who showed up so far, we'll see...



A related follow-up question -- to my knowledge, and I hope that someone corrects me here if I'm wrong, not one of these "anti fraud" initiatives coming from Republicans includes any mechanisms for making sure they're not inadvertently throwing out the baby with the bathwater. So why aren't they?

Unless I'm proven wrong by some evidence, I have to conclude that a.) they don't care if they're disenfranchising some good people or b.) that keeping likely D voters from voting is the whole point and they're lying about it, or c.) both a and b.

And, yeah, that's old news to many of us, but a good journalist who's interested in doing their job needs to ask Rick Scott or John Fund or someone like him this follow-up to put them on the spot and illustrate the dishonesty we're pretty sure we'll see there. Because if they really cared about elections and weren't trying to game the system they'd be making sure they're not overdoing it.
 
2012-06-13 12:10:10 PM  

Diogenes: I just contacted a Christian conservative group that's running registration drives here in Florida (even though they are in Cali). I'm pretending to want to register through them, and am concerned that they may not be in compliance with the 48 hour requirement.


I thought the 48-hour requirement was struck down by a federal judge as unconstitutional. Is this not the case?
 
2012-06-13 12:10:25 PM  

coeyagi: barneyfifesbullet: The only people that have a problem with IDs at poll places are those with something to hide. And you guys are part of that obviously.

Get some more spin from Jon Stewart and kos now, sheep.

Again, this thread HAD nothing to do with IDs until you or another person brought it up. And no, that is YOUR judgment, it doesn't make it true that people who have problems with IDs are hiding something.

I have a farking problem with little fascist f*cks like you making it very difficult for some poor, disabled, elderly people to get an ID. farking Michigan closed DMV offices in poor neighborhoods to fark over certain segments of the population.

So go f*ck yourself, you deflecting piece of shiat troll. Stick with the argument at hand or get reported and booted, you lousy dog shiat eating threadshiatter.


just ignore him
 
2012-06-13 12:11:53 PM  
So...

Question for conservatives: If we effectively requiring a waiting period to confirm citzenship eligibility to vote (a fundamental right) shouldn't we we also support instituting a waiting period to purchase a firearm and/or ammunition (also a fundamental right)?

I'm sure your answer will be entirely consistent!
 
2012-06-13 12:12:11 PM  

coeyagi: barneyfifesbullet: The only people that have a problem with IDs at poll places are those with something to hide. And you guys are part of that obviously.

Get some more spin from Jon Stewart and kos now, sheep.

Again, this thread HAD nothing to do with IDs until you or another person brought it up. And no, that is YOUR judgment, it doesn't make it true that people who have problems with IDs are hiding something.

I have a farking problem with little fascist f*cks like you making it very difficult for some poor, disabled, elderly people to get an ID. farking Michigan closed DMV offices in poor neighborhoods to fark over certain segments of the population.

So go f*ck yourself, you deflecting piece of shiat troll. Stick with the argument at hand or get reported and booted, you lousy dog shiat eating threadshiatter.


I like your energy. Have you ever considered a career in the exciting world of cockpunching?

/Send in a demo tape.
 
2012-06-13 12:12:22 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: Doubtful. Just like you guys are only worried about poor little immigrants that can't vote.

You just don't want anyone looking at voter rolls at all.


You're not actually responding to anything anyone is actually saying. You're just telling people what you want them to say and responding to that instead. If onyl there were a term for that...

"You people only care about [something that no one has actually said]! Watch my [weak rebuttal against an intentionally weak hypothetical argument that I wish people were saying but no one is]! Therefore my [terrible in the first place argument] is correct!"
 
2012-06-13 12:12:50 PM  

KellyX: Florida did some other silly shiat too.

Out where my folks live in the country, they are technically in Flagler County, but roughly 40-45mins from Bunnell.

They informed them that the voting location in the area (that must service at least 200 homes in the area) was being closed this year after being there over 25 years that I know of (at the local fire station), that's roughly a 5min drive for them.

They are being required to go to Bunnell to vote this year.

They've flat out said they are not driving that for to vote, whereas they have religiously voted every year since they could legally vote at 18... (same being the case for me).

Most of that neighborhood is republican, they're solid republican voters...

Real smart, Gov. Lex Luthor...


They should request absentee ballots and vote by mail.
 
2012-06-13 12:12:57 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: barneyfifesbullet: If you can't provide ID you can't vote. Period.

That's what the sign outside of every polling place should say. You provide ID to buy beer and you can't do it to vote?

Sure, as long as an ID option is made available that is 100% subsidized. Otherwise you are effectively forcing people to pay to vote.


Awhile back I posted all of the hoops you have to jump through in order to get an ID if you are homeless. Suffice to say, there are lots of forms you have to fill out with someone at a shelter and lots of traveling to do. It is possible and you could 100% subsidize it. But homeless people still don't do it. By requiring an ID you will effectively shut off the voice of homeless people. I certainly hope someone is capable of demonstrating a huge voter fraud epidemic being cut off by voter ID laws to justify cutting off over half a million people from voting.

Rich people vote, many times because their wealth depends on politics and government. For a homeless person, many times their life depends on it. But lets cut off the homeless people.
 
2012-06-13 12:13:37 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: The only people that have a problem with IDs at poll places are those with something to hide. And you guys are part of that obviously.

Get some more spin from Jon Stewart and kos now, sheep.


Where in the linked story was photo IDs mentioned? Did I miss something. I only saw sections on the voter roles purges, keeping people from registering to vote and eliminating the Sunday before election early voting. Why do you keep changing the subject?
 
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