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2012-06-13 12:58:04 PM
Rabies? This is going to turn out sadder than Old Yeller.
 
2012-06-13 12:58:07 PM

Cythraul: I don't see how the Republican party has changed that much. To quote my father, they've always been "screw the poor, more for the rich." Maybe the most significant change, if any, over the past couple of decades is their adoption of the Christian Right.


They've gone from a counter-balance to the Left to a full on scale-tipping crowd of A-Holes who, have stopped acting in the interest of the country, and now block anything that is proposed by the other Party, even when it embraces Republican principles and plans in the first place. They a re fed a steady diet of misinformation that they are told is really just the "balance' of a mythical "left wing media", and they swear by this misinformation as if it were gospel, even when they are proven wrong with facts, time and again. as for the Christian Right, they haven't adopted them as much as completely threw themselves over to letting the most extreme of them dictate the entire platform, and only commie radicals dare to ask questions.
 
2012-06-13 12:59:41 PM

CDP: Mr, Stafford,

I'm sure your (self reported) hero Reagan would embrace the tea party and spit you out.

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Which is kind of weird, because the Tea Party would have labeled Reagan a RINO and drove him out of office.
 
2012-06-13 01:03:03 PM

Mikey1969: They've gone from a counter-balance to the Left


When did the left EVER need to be counterbalanced? When have we even had a "The Left?"
 
2012-06-13 01:08:12 PM

Gyrfalcon: The Smart People's Party: socially liberal, fiscally conservative, personally responsible, responsive government.


In other words, The Libertarian Party.

Sounds good to me.
 
2012-06-13 01:10:22 PM

Weaver95: hubiestubert:
I fought long and hard, but the party doesn't want sanity. There is a certain time to cut bait, and I probably should have left during the last election...

more and more moderates are waking up and realizing that the GOP is run by people who are functionally insane. in the end, the only ones left will be the whack jobs and slack jawed idiots and good luck staying a viable party with a base of nutballs like that.


It's even making it hard to be an Independent. I used to bounce between Parties when voting, based on which candidate for a certain position I agreed with more. I don't have any respect for any of the Republicans at the moment, with the exception of Jon Huntsman. What the Hell am I supposed to do? The 3rd parties only have so many actual viable options, but I'm not going to become full Democrat either. This is really why we need 4 or 5 viable parties, no one party will ever get enough control at one time to send the country off the rails...
 
2012-06-13 01:11:00 PM

Elandriel: Weaver95: hubiestubert:
I fought long and hard, but the party doesn't want sanity. There is a certain time to cut bait, and I probably should have left during the last election...

more and more moderates are waking up and realizing that the GOP is run by people who are functionally insane. in the end, the only ones left will be the whack jobs and slack jawed idiots and good luck staying a viable party with a base of nutballs like that.

I hope Wisconsin was an anomaly, otherwise your statement isn't as accurate.


Just wanted to chime in here.

First of all, to echo what Weaver and Hubie have been saying...I've been on the same fence with the GOP for awhile now. I've been a Republican since I was old enough to vote, and the current direction of the party has been a major disappointment. They've completely abandoned the idea of having moderates within the GOP, and I firmly believe electing Mitt Romney will exacerbate the current clusterfark this country finds itself in. I haven't turned in my GOP card yet, but I've been thinking about it if for no other reason than to send a message (a small message, but a message nonetheless).

To address Wisconsin, I really think a lot of what happened behind the failed recall is that there was a sizable chunk of the voters in Wisconsin who believe that a recall election shouldn't be used against someone because you disagree with his policies. Recalls are there to protect the populace against corruption and malfeasance, not because you don't like the politician or he did something you don't like. This meant, you had people voting against the recall despite the fact they don't necessarily appreciate the guy they were keeping in office. The exit poll numbers, with many democrats and union households voting against the recall, seem to verify this sentiment.
 
2012-06-13 01:13:19 PM

Cythraul: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Props to the writer for his correct usage of the word "virulent" instead of the more commonly (and incorrectly) used "virile." I mean, look- I'm not a big fan of performative masculinity either, but at least I know there's a difference between virile and virulent.

/ew boy cooties

I have never noticed anyone switch "virile" for "virulent," or vice versa. But if I had, that would be hilarious.


Um, "viral," maybe?
 
2012-06-13 01:14:54 PM
If Romney wins, i don't think he will, but if he does, will the Dems pull the same shiat that the republicans did when Obama was in office? Probably. So what do we do when we have 2 political parties that control our government who are both unwilling to do anything. What to do, what to do, what to do.

/vote republicrat
//or vote democlican
 
2012-06-13 01:15:18 PM

PonceAlyosha: Mikey1969: They've gone from a counter-balance to the Left

When did the left EVER need to be counterbalanced? When have we even had a "The Left?"


This.
 
2012-06-13 01:19:03 PM
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. -- Barry Goldwater, 1994
 
2012-06-13 01:19:41 PM

blastoh: Cythraul: I don't see how the Republican party has changed that much. To quote my father, they've always been "screw the poor, more for the rich." Maybe the most significant change, if any, over the past couple of decades is their adoption of the Christian Right.


Or think about the Laffer Curve. I think most of us will agree that there is a point where a higher tax rate will generate less income.
But no one will say where that point is or where we are on the curve today.
It is just, "cut taxes."


I think we're at a point where, upon giving the upper 20% two massive tax cuts in the past decade, that taxes are just too low. That would include for people like me (I'm around the median income) who certainly benefited a wee bit from the Bush tax cuts. The problem is that the current GOP, thank to a smug, doughy white guy, have pretty much all pledged to never ever raise taxes again, no matter what. It doesn't matter if they're down to historical or near historical lows and our government is crumbling in part because of this.

Now, let's take a look at the 90s. President Clinton really was not this gigantic liberal boogeyman the GOP made him out to be. Yes, he had some scandals in office, but when it came down to it, he was a fiscal moderate. When he left office the economy was in solid shape and the government budget was heading into amazing territory.

My proposal regarding taxes would be to reset the tax levels to what they were in 1999 AND eliminate any massive loopholes that give tons of money to Big Oil and Big Corn (and any other massive handouts). Additionally, reinstitute the Paygo policies enacted in 1993.

This would go quite a ways to getting us back on the right track.

Fortunately, Congressional gridlock will probably serve to seeing the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year, so that's step one.
 
2012-06-13 01:19:59 PM

PonceAlyosha: Mikey1969: They've gone from a counter-balance to the Left

When did the left EVER need to be counterbalanced? When have we even had a "The Left?"


Late 19th and early 20th century.
 
2012-06-13 01:20:36 PM

soia: If Romney wins, i don't think he will, but if he does, will the Dems pull the same shiat that the republicans did when Obama was in office? Probably. So what do we do when we have 2 political parties that control our government who are both unwilling to do anything. What to do, what to do, what to do.

/vote republicrat
//or vote democlican


Move to Canadia.
 
2012-06-13 01:23:02 PM
Its fevered hallucinations involve threats from imaginary communists and socialists who, seemingly, lurk around every corner

And then the very Boobieser calls him a socialist.

I'll be more impressed with people like this when they actually start organizing against the GOP.
 
2012-06-13 01:23:31 PM

Dog Welder: Move to Canadia.


You know, i love calling it Canadia as well. My wife is a professor and we don't know where she will eventually find a tenure track position.
 
2012-06-13 01:24:41 PM

PonceAlyosha: Mikey1969: They've gone from a counter-balance to the Left

When did the left EVER need to be counterbalanced? When have we even had a "The Left?"


We've had a left that needed balance as much as we have a right that needs balance. Somewhere in between is where our country is going to be the healthiest.

What we DON'T have though, is a "vast left wing media conspiracy", or other such nonsense.
 
2012-06-13 01:26:21 PM

soia: If Romney wins, i don't think he will, but if he does, will the Dems pull the same shiat that the republicans did when Obama was in office? Probably.


Probably not. Anyone who paid attention during the Bush years knows the democrats are not only willing to comprimise, but they're also willing to completely cave in too.
 
2012-06-13 01:29:33 PM

Mikey1969: PonceAlyosha: Mikey1969: They've gone from a counter-balance to the Left

When did the left EVER need to be counterbalanced? When have we even had a "The Left?"

We've had a left that needed balance as much as we have a right that needs balance. Somewhere in between is where our country is going to be the healthiest.

What we DON'T have though, is a "vast left wing media conspiracy", or other such nonsense.


I'm not sure of if you're aware, in a larger sense, of how un-left what you call the "left" really is.
 
2012-06-13 01:29:38 PM

Mikey1969: We've had a left that needed balance as much as we have a right that needs balance. Somewhere in between is where our country is going to be the healthiest.


We leftists do exist. But the idea that we have any significant representation in our government is baseless.
 
2012-06-13 01:30:00 PM
Reagan invited these people in and gave them a veneer of legitimacy.
The difference is, while Reagan didn't believe his own bullsh*t, the teabaggers have made it their Gospel.

www.theage.com.au

/look up Bachmann's story
 
2012-06-13 01:30:03 PM
FTFA : " Climate change- a reality recognized by every single significant scientific body ..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's when I realized this guy was a schill.

/remember, an anti-mormon statement by a lib is a always an isolated incident
//an anti-obama statement no matter what by a republican is an indicator of wide spread racism
///criticizing obama except for not being liberal enough is always racist, and complaining that it is only makes you more racist
 
2012-06-13 01:30:38 PM
Well I'm convinced! As a long time conservative I am now going to switch my vote to the Democrats. This man's story has touched me deeply. It's now obvious to me that the Republicans are the party of the rich and powerful and don't care for the rest of society, while the Democrats are the party of the poor and downtrodden and want to make America a utopian paradise. How could I not have seen this before? I am so ashamed.
 
2012-06-13 01:30:55 PM

shastacola: soia: If Romney wins, i don't think he will, but if he does, will the Dems pull the same shiat that the republicans did when Obama was in office? Probably.

Probably not. Anyone who paid attention during the Bush years knows the democrats are not only willing to comprimise, but they're also willing to completely cave in too.


Actually, the Dems did a lot of filibustering during Bush's second term, and Pelosi basically either stalled some or flatout refused to bring a vote to a number of GOP plans.

Don't get me wrong...the GOP have turned around and turned these tactics up to 11, but it's not like the Democrats' hands are completely clean here.
 
2012-06-13 01:32:36 PM

squidgod2000: Man, those comments are great...

The Earth was 7 degrees hotter when King Henry VIII was in power, so I guess they must have been driving alot of SUV's on those days.


That amounts to "I don't understand rocket science, therefore there is no space program."
 
2012-06-13 01:32:45 PM
The evil genius of the conservative movement was convincing people that there is a "liberal media." That way, any "facts" that may creep into the discussion of policy can be discounted if they contradict Republican dogma.

If you get people to distrust what they hear and see, not only distrust but out right reject what they see and hear, you can get them to do just about anything in furtherance of the cause.

/you know who else railed against the media conspiracy
 
2012-06-13 01:33:47 PM

tcan: Well I'm convinced! As a long time conservative I am now going to switch my vote to the Democrats. This man's story has touched me deeply. It's now obvious to me that the Republicans are the party of the rich and powerful and don't care for the rest of society, while the Democrats are the party of the poor and downtrodden and want to make America a utopian paradise. How could I not have seen this before? I am so ashamed.


You'll get better
 
2012-06-13 01:33:59 PM

beta_plus: FTFA : " Climate change- a reality recognized by every single significant scientific body ..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's when I realized this guy was a schill.

/remember, an anti-mormon statement by a lib is a always an isolated incident
//an anti-obama statement no matter what by a republican is an indicator of wide spread racism
///criticizing obama except for not being liberal enough is always racist, and complaining that it is only makes you more racist


Well done for proving the author's point. You sound like a reasonable, well-adjusted person who would be more than happy to compromise for the greater good. No, wait a sec, I mean you're a raging retard who is obsessed with Obama's melatonin levels.
 
2012-06-13 01:34:01 PM

Ricardo Klement: It's sad to see so many hinged Republicans leaving the Party. I'm not ready to do that - not because I am more tolerant, but because I'm going to go down fighting.

Maybe that will leave me an embittered shell of a man, but fark them. I'm not making it easy for the idiots.


In 1988 When I registered to Vote I checked the Republican box. The First time I didn't pull the (R) lever in a presidential election was 2001 because I couldn't forgive Bush for what he had done to McCain in SC. By 2003 I was a "trusted user diarist" with a fairly wide following on Daily Kos. I don't think my baseline poltical views and values changed all that much , I honestly think the Republican party drifted that far right ward. It was bad before 9/11 but that event made some fo them think they now had Carte Blanche to force everyone to think the way they did by calling it " Patriotism", that's when the party crossed the line into batshiat insane territory for me.
 
2012-06-13 01:34:12 PM

beta_plus: FTFA : " Climate change- a reality recognized by every single significant scientific body ..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's when I realized this guy was a schill.


[Citation Needed]
 
2012-06-13 01:35:00 PM

beta_plus: That's when I realized this guy was a schill.


Yeah, well, if he's a schill then you're a ptool!
 
2012-06-13 01:35:44 PM

Magorn: In 1988 When I registered to Vote I checked the Republican box. The First time I didn't pull the (R) lever in a presidential election was 2001 because I couldn't forgive Bush for what he had done to McCain in SC. By 2003 I was a "trusted user diarist" with a fairly wide following on Daily Kos. I don't think my baseline poltical views and values changed all that much , I honestly think the Republican party drifted that far right ward. It was bad before 9/11 but that event made some fo them think they now had Carte Blanche to force everyone to think the way they did by calling it " Patriotism", that's when the party crossed the line into batshiat insane territory for me.


It's also possible that you were never a conservative, you just bought into the decades-long media campaign to make "liberal" a dirty word in America.
 
2012-06-13 01:35:50 PM

tcan: Well I'm convinced! As a long time conservative I am now going to switch my vote to the Democrats. This man's story has touched me deeply. It's now obvious to me that the Republicans are the party of the rich and powerful and don't care for the rest of society, while the Democrats are the party of the poor and downtrodden and want to make America a utopian paradise. How could I not have seen this before? I am so ashamed.


0/10
 
2012-06-13 01:36:42 PM

Xythero: Why not just be a Democrat? For a while now, being a Democrat has meant absolutely nothing except "not Republican."


I really hate to use the "both sides are bad..." argument, but both sides do seem to be identifying themselves as "I'm not the other guy" more than what they actually do stand for.
 
2012-06-13 01:38:34 PM

beta_plus: FTFA : " Climate change- a reality recognized by every single significant scientific body ..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's when I realized this guy was a schill.

/remember, an anti-mormon statement by a lib is a always an isolated incident
//an anti-obama statement no matter what by a republican is an indicator of wide spread racism
///criticizing obama except for not being liberal enough is always racist, and complaining that it is only makes you more racist


Hey, everybody! It's one of those global warming deniers that laughs at science. Let's all point and laugh at him

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-06-13 01:39:58 PM

washington: He thought John Huntsman would win...that's so cute


No, he didn't. He admitted it'd be a miracle....

FTFA: (...)in the desperate hope that some game-changing miracle would occur, such as a victory by Governor Jon Huntsman in the Republican presidential primary.
 
2012-06-13 01:41:48 PM

Job Creator: tcan: Well I'm convinced! As a long time conservative I am now going to switch my vote to the Democrats. This man's story has touched me deeply. It's now obvious to me that the Republicans are the party of the rich and powerful and don't care for the rest of society, while the Democrats are the party of the poor and downtrodden and want to make America a utopian paradise. How could I not have seen this before? I am so ashamed.

0/10


How dare you Sir. Do you doubt my sincerity?
 
2012-06-13 01:42:07 PM

Wooly Bully: We leftists do exist. But the idea that we have any significant representation in our government is baseless.


That doesn't mean that we don't need balance. Notice that I haven't stated that our government is running crazy with Lefties. I just noted that I stand in the middle, because no one side has all of the answers to anything at all. I'm not going to run out and vote for all the Lefties I can just because they are under-represented, at least according to you. Funny thing is, since nobody on the Right has anything constructive to add, I ain't voting for them...
 
2012-06-13 01:42:48 PM
RINO RINO RINO RINO RINO RINO
 
2012-06-13 01:43:58 PM

LasersHurt: I'm not sure of if you're aware, in a larger sense, of how un-left what you call the "left" really is.


It's all we got right now... You want it more left wing, nearer to the "Socialism" the 'Pubs are always scared of, that's fine by me, but you have to change it. Thee things don't usually change on their own.
 
2012-06-13 01:46:40 PM

Dog Welder:
To address Wisconsin, I really think a lot of what happened behind the failed recall is that there was a sizable chunk of the voters in Wisconsin who believe that a recall election shouldn't be used against someone because you disagree with his policies. Recalls are there to protect the populace against corruption and malfeasance, not because you don't like the politician or he did something you don't like. This meant, you had people voting against the recall despite the fact they don't necessarily appreciate the guy they were keeping in office. The exit poll numbers, with many democrats and union households voting against the recall, seem to verify this sentiment.


I'm sure that's true in some cases. I'm sure there was also a strong element of incumbentism. People who get into office tend to stay in office. I'm also sure that there was an element of "any conservative is better than any liberal." It was a mix of things.

But I also bet that a lot of people who say, "Recalls should be for malfeasance, not disagreement with policies" would cheer on an impeachment of Obama over health insurance reform. To them, that's not a policy, but a hideous crime, gangsterism, tyranny. So it all depends on what you mean by "malfeasance" and "policy."

Some people think that pushing through legislation to remove public unions' power of collective bargaining is a policy, others think it's something worse. Many in Wisconsin said that this step, which happened right after Walker took office, came as a complete surprise and seemed to indicate that he was not the man they thought they were electing. Obama made health care reform a central part of his campaign rhetoric.
 
2012-06-13 01:48:34 PM

lennavan: Perhaps, one day, a reformed and responsible Republican Party will reemerge.

I've actually daydreamed about leading the reemergence of a reformed responsible Republican party myself. Using the banner of smaller government, family values and Christianity I could definitely lead this country to a better place.

Smaller Gov't
Significantly reduce the size of the military
Get government out from between two consenting adults wanting to marry.
Get government out from between a woman and her doctor.
Legalize marijuana, no need for government to regulate something that's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco.

Family Values/Christianity
Letting old people die in poverty is bad - Social Security.
Education is critical - improve schools.
Easier for camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven - significantly higher taxes on the rich, lower taxes on middle class.
Significantly increase minimum wage to a living wage.

The list goes on. I'd love a party that acts the way Republicans talk. But the way the (R)'s talk versus the way they act, it's like polar opposites.


Uhh, why don't you just call yourself a Democrat?
 
2012-06-13 01:50:21 PM

bloobeary: In other words, The Libertarian Party.


You can't be serious.
 
MFL
2012-06-13 01:50:23 PM
I am no longer a democrat since they do not support Paul Ryan's budget and Mitt Romney's economic plan.
 
2012-06-13 01:50:29 PM

beta_plus: FTFA : " Climate change- a reality recognized by every single significant scientific body ..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's when I realized this guy was a schill.

/remember, an anti-mormon statement by a lib is a always an isolated incident
//an anti-obama statement no matter what by a republican is an indicator of wide spread racism
///criticizing obama except for not being liberal enough is always racist, and complaining that it is only makes you more racist


And this post is when I realized you have extra chromosomes.
 
2012-06-13 01:53:57 PM

Cythraul: I don't see how the Republican party has changed that much. To quote my father, they've always been "screw the poor, more for the rich." Maybe the most significant change, if any, over the past couple of decades is their adoption of the Christian Right.


What's changed? A lot! Sure they were always pro-establishment but they still felt a sense of culpability to their electorate. They would support things that their constituents wanted but they might not have been so keen on. Hell, NIXON proposed a true universal healthcare system and a minimum income, things FAR too liberal for Obama to embrace these days.

The Republicans of old weren't just the guys who shouted the loudest, they actually knew how to do their job. The Teatards couldn't even get themselves sworn into office without screwing it up. They knew how to debate, compromise, get things done and keep the lights on. Today the party screams for the death of all civic institutions and has made their time office blatant money grabs for their corporate backers while racking up massive public debt to be pushed onto the rest of us.

It didn't used to be like that.
 
2012-06-13 01:59:35 PM

MFL: I am no longer a democrat since they do not support Paul Ryan's budget and Mitt Romney's economic plan.


He didn't advocate any Democratic positions.
 
2012-06-13 01:59:53 PM

poonesfarm: *Click* *read* *scroll* Ah, there're the utterly predictable comments below the piece from the exact type of people he's describing


As sure as the sun rises in the east.
 
2012-06-13 02:01:14 PM

beta_plus: FTFA : " Climate change- a reality recognized by every single significant scientific body ..."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's when I realized this guy was a schill.

/remember, an anti-mormon statement by a lib is a always an isolated incident
//an anti-obama statement no matter what by a republican is an indicator of wide spread racism
///criticizing obama except for not being liberal enough is always racist, and complaining that it is only makes you more racist


Oh look, one of the people the article is about.
 
2012-06-13 02:03:31 PM

Mikey1969: We've had a left that needed balance as much as we have a right that needs balance. Somewhere in between is where our country is going to be the healthiest.

What we DON'T have though, is a "vast left wing media conspiracy", or other such nonsense.


I'm sorry, but a "balanced" right looks a lot like what we call the left these days. This country is in for a world of hurt if they decide that the trust is somewhere between the democrats and the Republicans.
 
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