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CDP
2012-06-13 08:10:23 AM
Mr, Stafford,

I'm sure your (self reported) hero Reagan would embrace the tea party and spit you out.

i132.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-13 08:43:50 AM
Local political man laments about what his party used to be. News at 11.
 
2012-06-13 08:49:24 AM
I don't see how the Republican party has changed that much. To quote my father, they've always been "screw the poor, more for the rich." Maybe the most significant change, if any, over the past couple of decades is their adoption of the Christian Right.
 
2012-06-13 08:57:22 AM

Cythraul: I don't see how the Republican party has changed that much. To quote my father, they've always been "screw the poor, more for the rich." Maybe the most significant change, if any, over the past couple of decades is their adoption of the Christian Right.


It has nothing to do with the Christian Right. It has everything to do with the "news" they are being exposed too. By controlling how a section of the populace views the world, you effect their interactions with that world. The Republican party is what it currently is because the rank and file members honestly live in a different world as the rest of us Americans. They literally live in a world with different facts.
 
2012-06-13 09:10:37 AM
It's not the D- or the R- that matters, it's the -NJ.
 
2012-06-13 09:17:43 AM
Republicans in this day and age don't care much about anything other than party loyalty.

They don't want thought or debate -they want people with money and nodding heads.
 
2012-06-13 09:22:26 AM

WTF Indeed: Cythraul: I don't see how the Republican party has changed that much. To quote my father, they've always been "screw the poor, more for the rich." Maybe the most significant change, if any, over the past couple of decades is their adoption of the Christian Right.

It has nothing to do with the Christian Right. It has everything to do with the "news" they are being exposed too. By controlling how a section of the populace views the world, you effect their interactions with that world. The Republican party is what it currently is because the rank and file members honestly live in a different world as the rest of us Americans. They literally live in a world with different facts.


I think it is mixture of both misinformation and the adoption of the Christian Right. I know people that believe all the things that Rush and Fox News feed them so they think the Liberals are evil and hellbent on the destruction of the country. I also know people that pay no attention to that but because of the Christian Rights rebranding of the Republican Party they think if you believe in God you must vote Republican because the other party are godless heathens. They both vote totally against their best interests because to do otherwise is either destruction or a hell worthy trespass.
 
2012-06-13 09:50:57 AM
It's sad to see so many hinged Republicans leaving the Party. I'm not ready to do that - not because I am more tolerant, but because I'm going to go down fighting.

Maybe that will leave me an embittered shell of a man, but fark them. I'm not making it easy for the idiots.
 
2012-06-13 10:05:15 AM

Ricardo Klement: It's sad to see so many hinged Republicans leaving the Party. I'm not ready to do that - not because I am more tolerant, but because I'm going to go down fighting.

Maybe that will leave me an embittered shell of a man, but fark them. I'm not making it easy for the idiots.


Gary Johnson. That is all.
 
2012-06-13 10:31:52 AM

Gulper Eel: Ricardo Klement: It's sad to see so many hinged Republicans leaving the Party. I'm not ready to do that - not because I am more tolerant, but because I'm going to go down fighting.

Maybe that will leave me an embittered shell of a man, but fark them. I'm not making it easy for the idiots.

Gary Johnson. That is all.


I fought long and hard, but the party doesn't want sanity. There is a certain time to cut bait, and I probably should have left during the last election...
 
2012-06-13 10:44:00 AM

Ricardo Klement: I'm going to go down fighting.


It's time to leave that mess to the Christian Nationalists and concentrate on creating something worthwhile.

If enough people stop buying what Fox News is selling, Fox will stop selling it.
 
2012-06-13 10:45:40 AM

hubiestubert:
I fought long and hard, but the party doesn't want sanity. There is a certain time to cut bait, and I probably should have left during the last election...


more and more moderates are waking up and realizing that the GOP is run by people who are functionally insane. in the end, the only ones left will be the whack jobs and slack jawed idiots and good luck staying a viable party with a base of nutballs like that.
 
2012-06-13 10:48:40 AM

WTF Indeed: Cythraul: I don't see how the Republican party has changed that much. To quote my father, they've always been "screw the poor, more for the rich." Maybe the most significant change, if any, over the past couple of decades is their adoption of the Christian Right.

It has nothing to do with the Christian Right. It has everything to do with the "news" they are being exposed too. By controlling how a section of the populace views the world, you effect their interactions with that world. The Republican party is what it currently is because the rank and file members honestly live in a different world as the rest of us Americans. They literally live in a world with different facts.


I wonder what could be causing that...

cloudfront.mediamatters.org
 
2012-06-13 10:52:17 AM

Weaver95: hubiestubert:
I fought long and hard, but the party doesn't want sanity. There is a certain time to cut bait, and I probably should have left during the last election...

more and more moderates are waking up and realizing that the GOP is run by people who are functionally insane. in the end, the only ones left will be the whack jobs and slack jawed idiots and good luck staying a viable party with a base of nutballs like that.


The leadership skewed badly with GW. It was essentially Quayle 2.0, and we are paying for it now. Yes, the rebate was a popular move, because folks always like cash, but that money could have paid down our debt. Instead, we borrowed like crazy, ballooned the budget even further, and got involved in not one but two very long and expensive conflicts, while simultaneously unhitching safeguards on several industries.

We are soaking in those policies now, and trying to sift through the financial wreckage. While the folks who bet on GW and those disastrous policies are leading the party, I cannot in good conscience support that.
 
2012-06-13 10:54:52 AM

hubiestubert: I fought long and hard, but the party doesn't want sanity. There is a certain time to cut bait, and I probably should have left during the last election...


This guy is a New Jersey politician, and only now is he going on about having a front-row seat to the crazy? I find that very hard to believe. Booker and Christie notwithstanding, the state is a running punchline for incompetence and corruption and has been for decades.

Swapping crazy for corrupt ain't exactly noble.
 
2012-06-13 10:59:14 AM

hubiestubert:

We are soaking in those policies now, and trying to sift through the financial wreckage. While the folks who bet on GW and those disastrous policies are leading the party, I cannot in good conscience support that.


for me, it was the GOP fiscal policies AND the downright scary religious folks that ended up driving me away from the GOP. the Republican fiscal plans DO NOT serve my interests. they take money out of my pocket and give it to people who already have tons of cash and then prevent me from getting back on my feet. Then add in the pro-life/pro-christian prosperity gospel assholes who want to impose a theocracy on this country and....well, i'm done with the GOP.
 
2012-06-13 11:25:31 AM

Weaver95: hubiestubert:

We are soaking in those policies now, and trying to sift through the financial wreckage. While the folks who bet on GW and those disastrous policies are leading the party, I cannot in good conscience support that.

for me, it was the GOP fiscal policies AND the downright scary religious folks that ended up driving me away from the GOP. the Republican fiscal plans DO NOT serve my interests. they take money out of my pocket and give it to people who already have tons of cash and then prevent me from getting back on my feet. Then add in the pro-life/pro-christian prosperity gospel assholes who want to impose a theocracy on this country and....well, i'm done with the GOP.


Yeah, but they get to wear those awesome lapel pins!

Yeah...most of the people I know that are openly proud about being Republican are also open about doing it to piss off minorities or libtards. Yeah, way to vote for your own interests, asshats.
 
2012-06-13 11:26:36 AM
*Click* *read* *scroll* Ah, there're the utterly predictable comments below the piece from the exact type of people he's describing
 
2012-06-13 11:33:44 AM

born_yesterday:
Yeah...most of the people I know that are openly proud about being Republican are also open about doing it to piss off minorities or libtards. Yeah, way to vote for your own interests, asshats.


or they vote single issue on abortion, or gay marriage or immigration or taxes...very few of the GOP rank and file stop to consider what the end result of their blind support of the Republican agenda will have on their bottom line. Sure, you might manage to slow down abortion for a while...but at the same time you just put someone into power who's also going to support outsourcing your job to china. The question Republicans have to ask themselves is if supporting a religious agenda like say...stopping gay marriage...is worth sacrificing your job? hey, you sure got them gays didn't ya? but now you are on unemployment and finding a job in THIS economy is a cast iron biatch. was that an even trade? I certainly don't think so...but i'm weird like that.
 
2012-06-13 11:48:34 AM

Weaver95: hubiestubert:
I fought long and hard, but the party doesn't want sanity. There is a certain time to cut bait, and I probably should have left during the last election...

more and more moderates are waking up and realizing that the GOP is run by people who are functionally insane. in the end, the only ones left will be the whack jobs and slack jawed idiots and good luck staying a viable party with a base of nutballs like that.


I hope Wisconsin was an anomaly, otherwise your statement isn't as accurate. More and more moderates are apparently extremely susceptible to millions of dollars worth of advertising, and perfectly happy to ignore the process altogether or let themselves be swayed by fancy fonts and dramatic voice-overs.

I'm starting to think the media itself leads the country, and the GOP pander to what sells on the airwaves rather than some brazen overarching conspiratorial end-game. No news outlet is willing to take Romney to task because his idiocy sells. Every news company is happy to rake Obama over the coals...because it sells. It's extremely disheartening.
 
2012-06-13 11:52:52 AM
And, as you know, rabies means lots of froth.

/Santorum
 
2012-06-13 12:14:36 PM

poonesfarm: *Click* *read* *scroll* Ah, there're the utterly predictable comments below the piece from the exact type of people he's describing


Shockingly, this isn't lost on everyone there - a lot of people are noticing and saying the same thing. So at least there's that.
 
2012-06-13 12:16:17 PM
What baffles me is how someone like that could even hang on this long... you'd figure the W years would be enough to drive the reasonable conservatives out of the party.
 
2012-06-13 12:18:28 PM

Gulper Eel: Swapping crazy for corrupt ain't exactly noble.


atleast you can set your watch to corruption...
 
2012-06-13 12:25:56 PM
My first political act was passionately lobbying my fourth-grade classmates to vote for Reagan over Walter Mondale in a mock election in 1984

Whoa. I did the exact same thing. And was also in fourth grade when I did it. I didn't really have any awareness of policy back then, I just picked a horse at random and rode it hard.

Still...freaky.

/fark Derpublicans
 
2012-06-13 12:26:54 PM
Man, those comments are great...

The Earth was 7 degrees hotter when King Henry VIII was in power, so I guess they must have been driving alot of SUV's on those days.
 
2012-06-13 12:26:55 PM
Perhaps, one day, a reformed and responsible Republican Party will reemerge.

I've actually daydreamed about leading the reemergence of a reformed responsible Republican party myself. Using the banner of smaller government, family values and Christianity I could definitely lead this country to a better place.

Smaller Gov't
Significantly reduce the size of the military
Get government out from between two consenting adults wanting to marry.
Get government out from between a woman and her doctor.
Legalize marijuana, no need for government to regulate something that's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco.

Family Values/Christianity
Letting old people die in poverty is bad - Social Security.
Education is critical - improve schools.
Easier for camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven - significantly higher taxes on the rich, lower taxes on middle class.
Significantly increase minimum wage to a living wage.

The list goes on. I'd love a party that acts the way Republicans talk. But the way the (R)'s talk versus the way they act, it's like polar opposites.
 
2012-06-13 12:28:29 PM

Headso: Gulper Eel: Swapping crazy for corrupt ain't exactly noble.

atleast you can set your watch to corruption...


No shiat. At least corruption will do what is needed to keep the ship afloat out of self interests. The crazies have so convinced themselves that they are right, they will stay the course, blaming anything that goes wrong on taxes, Obamacare or Obama being a Kenyan Muslim
 
2012-06-13 12:30:03 PM

lennavan: Perhaps, one day, a reformed and responsible Republican Party will reemerge.

I've actually daydreamed about leading the reemergence of a reformed responsible Republican party myself. Using the banner of smaller government, family values and Christianity I could definitely lead this country to a better place.

Smaller Gov't
Significantly reduce the size of the military
Get government out from between two consenting adults wanting to marry.
Get government out from between a woman and her doctor.
Legalize marijuana, no need for government to regulate something that's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco.

Family Values/Christianity
Letting old people die in poverty is bad - Social Security.
Education is critical - improve schools.
Easier for camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven - significantly higher taxes on the rich, lower taxes on middle class.
Significantly increase minimum wage to a living wage.

The list goes on. I'd love a party that acts the way Republicans talk. But the way the (R)'s talk versus the way they act, it's like polar opposites.


It is amazing that every single one of your points is classified as a "liberal" position by our body politic today.
 
2012-06-13 12:32:18 PM

lennavan: Perhaps, one day, a reformed and responsible Republican Party will reemerge.

I've actually daydreamed about leading the reemergence of a reformed responsible Republican party myself. Using the banner of smaller government, family values and Christianity I could definitely lead this country to a better place.

Smaller Gov't
Significantly reduce the size of the military
Get government out from between two consenting adults wanting to marry.
Get government out from between a woman and her doctor.
Legalize marijuana, no need for government to regulate something that's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco.

Family Values/Christianity
Letting old people die in poverty is bad - Social Security.
Education is critical - improve schools.
Easier for camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven - significantly higher taxes on the rich, lower taxes on middle class.
Significantly increase minimum wage to a living wage.

The list goes on. I'd love a party that acts the way Republicans talk. But the way the (R)'s talk versus the way they act, it's like polar opposites.


The problem is that they have taken the headings above those examples and switched them.
 
2012-06-13 12:33:14 PM
He thought John Huntsman would win...that's so cute
 
2012-06-13 12:33:56 PM

Gulper Eel: It's not the D- or the R- that matters, it's the -NJ.


I'm not sure what your point is, but it's probably in line with one of the comments in the blog, which was that any New Jersey Republican is more liberal than any Virginia Democrat. I wonder if the commenter was aware of the double-edged sword he was grasping. Yes: northern Republicans are often to the left of southern Democrats. And southern Democrats are often to the right of northern Republicans. The influence of southern conservatives in the Democrat party far outweighs the influence of northern liberals in the Republican party. The difference in those groups' influence has soared since Jan. 20, 2009. Only one party has a purity/loyalty oath. Only one party repeatedly says, "Our idea of bipartisanship is for the other party to sign off on whatever we want because MURICA."

It's not the -R or the -D or the -NJ that matters, it's the our-way-period ideology divorced from reality that counts.
 
2012-06-13 12:34:37 PM

Cythraul: I don't see how the Republican party has changed that much. To quote my father, they've always been "screw the poor, more for the rich." Maybe the most significant change, if any, over the past couple of decades is their adoption of the Christian Right.


I see that point. But for the longest time they were more about giving room for business to grow and not putting too many taxes and regulations on them to prevent that.

There has been a total shift though from "not too many" taxes/regulations, to "No taxes and no regulations what so ever"

And that is where the brain fart rests.

For example, None of them will come out and say, "The EPA has [insert two regulations] that are not needed and are preventing job growth."

Today it is, "The EPA needs to be abolished"

Or think about the Laffer Curve. I think most of us will agree that there is a point where a higher tax rate will generate less income.
But no one will say where that point is or where we are on the curve today.
It is just, "cut taxes."

And the worse part is, they have turned these concepts into bumper sticker sized talking points that even an idiot can remember and repeat..... and so they do.
 
2012-06-13 12:35:24 PM
In Republican proposals, the wealthy win, and the rest of us lose- one only has to look at Rep. Paul Ryan's budget to see that.

Ouch.

Romney seems to have gone for a tax reform plan not unlike that of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.). -Jennifer Rubin 2/22/12

Indeed.
 
2012-06-13 12:35:49 PM

hubiestubert: Gulper Eel: Ricardo Klement: It's sad to see so many hinged Republicans leaving the Party. I'm not ready to do that - not because I am more tolerant, but because I'm going to go down fighting.

Maybe that will leave me an embittered shell of a man, but fark them. I'm not making it easy for the idiots.

Gary Johnson. That is all.

I fought long and hard, but the party doesn't want sanity. There is a certain time to cut bait, and I probably should have left during the last election...


Now's a good time to start that Third Party everyone's been blathering about for the last 40 years. The Smart People's Party: socially liberal, fiscally conservative, personally responsible, responsive government.

In times past, you'd never have had a chance; but I think now's the time to make a complete break from the GOP while remaining true to your roots.
 
2012-06-13 12:37:18 PM

lennavan: Perhaps, one day, a reformed and responsible Republican Party will reemerge.

I've actually daydreamed about leading the reemergence of a reformed responsible Republican party myself. Using the banner of smaller government, family values and Christianity I could definitely lead this country to a better place.

Smaller Gov't
Significantly reduce the size of the military
Get government out from between two consenting adults wanting to marry.
Get government out from between a woman and her doctor.
Legalize marijuana, no need for government to regulate something that's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco.

Family Values/Christianity
Letting old people die in poverty is bad - Social Security.
Education is critical - improve schools.
Easier for camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven - significantly higher taxes on the rich, lower taxes on middle class.
Significantly increase minimum wage to a living wage.

The list goes on. I'd love a party that acts the way Republicans talk. But the way the (R)'s talk versus the way they act, it's like polar opposites.


maybe you should just join the Democratic party
/just kidding the democrats don't really want most of those things either
//3rd party?
 
2012-06-13 12:39:14 PM
While it may not make a difference in the larger discussion, I personally like seeing things like this. This is a guy who has different ideas than mine--we may not agree on anything. But this is a guy I can sit down with and have a discussion; a real discussion, that isn't interrupted with bouts of "LIBZ DESRUCT'N 'MERICA COMMIE FASHIST OBAMA-BIN-LADIN"

I think since the Republicans have been a tow-the-line party for so long, the change happened so gradually, that only now are some of them realizing that the inmates are running the asylum.
 
2012-06-13 12:41:32 PM

Gyrfalcon: hubiestubert: Gulper Eel: Ricardo Klement: It's sad to see so many hinged Republicans leaving the Party. I'm not ready to do that - not because I am more tolerant, but because I'm going to go down fighting.

Maybe that will leave me an embittered shell of a man, but fark them. I'm not making it easy for the idiots.

Gary Johnson. That is all.

I fought long and hard, but the party doesn't want sanity. There is a certain time to cut bait, and I probably should have left during the last election...

Now's a good time to start that Third Party everyone's been blathering about for the last 40 years. The Smart People's Party: socially liberal, fiscally conservative, personally responsible, responsive government.

In times past, you'd never have had a chance; but I think now's the time to make a complete break from the GOP while remaining true to your roots.


Its only chance for existence is if it is a replacement party. This country's natural equilibrium doesn't allow for more than two parties to exist.
 
2012-06-13 12:41:43 PM

Gyrfalcon: Now's a good time to start that Third Party everyone's been blathering about for the last 40 years. The Smart People's Party: socially liberal, fiscally conservative, personally responsible, responsive government.


"Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter."
images.original.popscreen.com
 
2012-06-13 12:43:11 PM
Props to the writer for his correct usage of the word "virulent" instead of the more commonly (and incorrectly) used "virile." I mean, look- I'm not a big fan of performative masculinity either, but at least I know there's a difference between virile and virulent.

/ew boy cooties
 
2012-06-13 12:43:19 PM
FTFA: My political affiliation has been woven intrinsically into the very fabric of my being.

That would be part of the problem, right there. Political affiliation should not be part of one's identity.
 
2012-06-13 12:44:08 PM

Elandriel: I hope Wisconsin was an anomaly, otherwise your statement isn't as accurate. More and more moderates are apparently extremely susceptible to millions of dollars worth of advertising, and perfectly happy to ignore the process altogether or let themselves be swayed by fancy fonts and dramatic voice-overs.


Wisconsin is a bit of a weird one. You had 2 groups of people voting for Walker in the recall. 1) Those that truly support Walker, 2) Those that believe recalls are bad and should only be used as a form of impeachment for crimes.

There was JUST enough non walker supporters who voted for Walker because they didn't support the recall that it tipped the scale.
 
2012-06-13 12:45:29 PM
There has to be a viable third party that arises out of the nonsense we are experiencing.
 
2012-06-13 12:47:10 PM

Gyrfalcon: Now's a good time to start that Third Party everyone's been blathering about for the last 40 years.


Why not just be a Democrat? For a while now, being a Democrat has meant absolutely nothing except "not Republican." It's a party that had both Dennis Kucinich and Zell Miller in it. All these things: "socially liberal, fiscally conservative, personally responsible, responsive government," could fit in it without anyone blinking.
 
2012-06-13 12:47:46 PM
Or they realized it and decided what the hell, ignore it, since they were winning. And stupid people are easier to manipulate.

If the unchecked derp wins for them, they'll continue to ignore it, since the end justifies the means in their goopy brains. Though hopefully their unhinged base will destroy them before they destroy the country.
 
2012-06-13 12:48:38 PM

Gulper Eel: Swapping crazy for corrupt ain't exactly noble.


Just who, exactly, is doing that?
 
2012-06-13 12:49:26 PM
media.nj.com

Pull that to your bosom, demotards.
 
2012-06-13 12:49:32 PM

MindStalker: Elandriel: I hope Wisconsin was an anomaly, otherwise your statement isn't as accurate. More and more moderates are apparently extremely susceptible to millions of dollars worth of advertising, and perfectly happy to ignore the process altogether or let themselves be swayed by fancy fonts and dramatic voice-overs.

Wisconsin is a bit of a weird one. You had 2 groups of people voting for Walker in the recall. 1) Those that truly support Walker, 2) Those that believe recalls are bad and should only be used as a form of impeachment for crimes.

There was JUST enough non walker supporters who voted for Walker because they didn't support the recall that it tipped the scale.


Peter Griffin must live in Wisconsin. A recall is for someone who campaigns on something and either A) doesnt do it when given the chance
B) does a 180 for no good reason
C) does something a lot of the voters dont like.

An impeachment is for breaking the law, plain and simple
 
2012-06-13 12:51:37 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Props to the writer for his correct usage of the word "virulent" instead of the more commonly (and incorrectly) used "virile." I mean, look- I'm not a big fan of performative masculinity either, but at least I know there's a difference between virile and virulent.

/ew boy cooties


I have never noticed anyone switch "virile" for "virulent," or vice versa. But if I had, that would be hilarious.
 
2012-06-13 12:57:28 PM

lennavan: Perhaps, one day, a reformed and responsible Republican Party will reemerge.

I've actually daydreamed about leading the reemergence of a reformed responsible Republican party myself. Using the banner of smaller government, family values and Christianity I could definitely lead this country to a better place.

Smaller Gov't
Significantly reduce the size of the military
Get government out from between two consenting adults wanting to marry.
Get government out from between a woman and her doctor.
Legalize marijuana, no need for government to regulate something that's less harmful than alcohol or tobacco.

Family Values/Christianity
Letting old people die in poverty is bad - Social Security.
Education is critical - improve schools.
Easier for camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter the kingdom of heaven - significantly higher taxes on the rich, lower taxes on middle class.
Significantly increase minimum wage to a living wage.

The list goes on. I'd love a party that acts the way Republicans talk. But the way the (R)'s talk versus the way they act, it's like polar opposites.


I would vote for those tenets. I'd also like to see an increase in public works projects (like long range energy planning) and more support to the GAO.
 
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