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2012-06-13 12:27:16 PM
"There are, of course, many more ways a car could unintentionally accelerate."

No, there is exactly one cause for unintentional acceleration and to eliminate that one cause we would have to eliminate all stupid people which has proven quite difficult in the past.
 
2012-06-13 01:48:57 PM
If the person is too stupid to remove their foot from the accelerator, they're probably too stupid to slap the engine cut-off button.
 
2012-06-13 02:12:09 PM
Years ago, I was in a car that got totaled in a rear-end collision. The woman's statement as to the cause of her plowing into my car while I was at a complete stop in a turn lane? "I couldn't find the brake."

Sort of an important thing to know how to locate in an emergency, lady.
 
2012-06-13 02:21:07 PM
The reason that SAAB put the key in the center between the seats was so anyone in the car could stop the engine. Seems to have worked well for them.
 
2012-06-13 02:26:24 PM
When some people hit a certain degree of terror, they tend to go into full lizard-brain mode. Simple stuff like where the brake is, fades into nothingness. I have a friend from High School who's a Cop, and he's recounted panicked people yelling at him 'What's the number for 911!' when he's actually been on-site, ready to assist.

There's nothing wrong with a proper killswitch. With drive-by-wire, start/stop buttons that are nothing more than codepushers to the car's CPU, with the CPU making the decision to act on the input, I'm more than happy having a switch that instantly terminates power if and when the code hiccups.

If it's good enough for Formula 1, Top Gear and the Stig, it's fine with me.
 
2012-06-13 02:27:14 PM
shiat and here I thought buttoning was something else involving wooden plugs and lots of lube.
 
2012-06-13 02:27:55 PM
i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-13 02:34:10 PM

hinten: No, there is exactly one cause for unintentional acceleration and to eliminate that one cause we would have to eliminate all stupid people which has proven quite difficult in the past.


ShawnDoc: If the person is too stupid to remove their foot from the accelerator, they're probably too stupid to slap the engine cut-off button.


So, basically, the two of you don't have any idea how a modern car works and you think that gives you free reign to act like other people are dumb?
 
2012-06-13 02:34:53 PM
The answer is an emergency cutoff switch. Now, it's not one exactly like in racing cars, but the fundamental idea is the same. The switch needs to be big, obvious, and easy to activate. I'm thinking a nice big, red mushroom-type button that can be easily smacked with a panicked, flailing hand.

And there's absolutely no way your jackass drunk friends will think pressing this on the Interstate won't be hilarious.
 
2012-06-13 02:36:04 PM
I am one of those idiots who didn't think well in an emergency. I did have sense enough to grab a phone. That fact that I looked on the refrigerator to find the number for 911 makes me wonder how much of an idiot I really am down deep inside.
 
2012-06-13 02:36:33 PM
Driving on cruise control, I had to slow down for a toll booth. I hit the brake on this rental car, and it immediately accelerated. Somebody forgot to connect the brake-pedal sensor to the cruise control.

I figured it out in less than a second, and hit the cutoff.

Sometimes, it's not the driver's fault. I suspect that some of these disasters are nothing more than a glitch signalling 'resume' at a bad place and/or time.
 
2012-06-13 02:36:38 PM

tricycleracer: The answer is an emergency cutoff switch. Now, it's not one exactly like in racing cars, but the fundamental idea is the same. The switch needs to be big, obvious, and easy to activate. I'm thinking a nice big, red mushroom-type button that can be easily smacked with a panicked, flailing hand.

And there's absolutely no way your jackass drunk friends will think pressing this on the Interstate won't be hilarious.


Well, I feel dumb for just C&Ping that part since the next sentence says to keep it away from passengers, but clearly it needs to be in reach of the passenger as the headline states.
 
2012-06-13 02:37:04 PM
"a 2-ton missile heading into a preschool on puppy adoption day"

Article written by a Farker.
 
2012-06-13 02:37:18 PM
There were no computer or wiring problems. The news having people build boxes that "simulated" the problem were simply providing the input to the computer that told it to open the throttle. Same idea as tying a string to the throttle on an older car and demonstrating how pulling the string makes the car take off.

They had problems with old carborated cars too. I believe it was a GM car that would break the motor mount which allowed engine to twist and pull the throttle rod. It would just stick at full throttle until it was shut down.

I think the only solution is better driver training and not allowing everyone to drive. I've seen far to many people that do not need to be driving.
 
2012-06-13 02:38:45 PM
Call me insane but that button looks non mechanical. In that a simple button press would not move a lever that would act as a clutch and disengage the transmission.

So if the computer borks that button is going to be useless as fark.

If your car BSODs NONE of your shiat is going to work. That's why those videos of "see I can shift into neutral while at speed" are bunk. If your computer eats it you can shift your gear shift all you want, all inputs are going to do zippo. Next BSOD try to type or use your mouse, see how that doesn't do shiat? Same idea.

I still say MOST of those are caused by bad code that sticks the throttle in "farking go!!!!" and that borks the shiat out of every thing else.

Of course no car company is going to come back with "oh yeah our shiat code killed a bunch of people"
 
2012-06-13 02:39:09 PM
If anything,this will lead to more accidents on our highways,what with a sea of idiotic motorists 'buttoning' five seconds too late.....
 
2012-06-13 02:40:49 PM
Finally, a chance to flaunt the fact that my broke ass drives a stick.
 
2012-06-13 02:41:30 PM
Love this r-tard from the comments

Ever driven with the E-brake on? Proof that brakes cannot and will not stop an mildly powerful engine.

Yeah, those 2 tiny drum brakes on my rear wheels provide as much friction as every caliper clamping down on discs. Yup.

EABOD.
 
2012-06-13 02:42:12 PM

Splinshints: hinten: No, there is exactly one cause for unintentional acceleration and to eliminate that one cause we would have to eliminate all stupid people which has proven quite difficult in the past.

ShawnDoc: If the person is too stupid to remove their foot from the accelerator, they're probably too stupid to slap the engine cut-off button.

So, basically, the two of you don't have any idea how a modern car works and you think that gives you free reign to act like other people are dumb?


To be fair, it seems that the most public examples of "unintentional acceleration" have, in the end, been "user error" on the part of the drivers, not mechanical and electrical issues.
 
2012-06-13 02:44:37 PM
People are too panicked to use the emergency cut off switch that comes with the car...ie the key....but will remember to hit this switch while panicked.
 
2012-06-13 02:44:56 PM
Weird, how this "unintentional acceleration" seems to happen in the US only.
 
2012-06-13 02:45:52 PM
The problem with a button like this is that asshole teenagers will turn stupid use of it into a national pastime.
 
2012-06-13 02:46:48 PM
Is there something wrong with this one? It's been standard on every car I've ever owned.

www.ignitionswitchproblems.com
 
2012-06-13 02:48:48 PM
It will take anti-collision radar/sonar to stop this sort of thing. Which are being deployed even as we type.
 
2012-06-13 02:49:05 PM
FTA:
Here's what the emergency cutoff switch needs to do in a regular passenger car:

• Disconnect the engine from the transmission.
• Drop engine revs to idle levels
• Activate hazard lights
• All hydraulic and electrical systems remain active
• Optionally, a distress call could be sent to a concierge service like OnStar or similar


Only problem is, all of that still requires the car's computer to be sane.

Instead, the button should simply cut power to the fuel pump. The driver still loses hydraulics, but at least the car will stop.
 
2012-06-13 02:49:34 PM
or just put brakes on a car that are strong enough to slow you even at full throttle. I would say nearly every car on the road satisfies that condition save for a few supercars (and even those would still slow down to a point).
 
2012-06-13 02:50:03 PM

Splinshints: So, basically, the two of you don't have any idea how a modern car works and you think that gives you free reign to act like other people are dumb?


People are dumb. It's really not that difficult to pop the car into neutral.
 
2012-06-13 02:50:45 PM
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/Hot like SPACE MADNESS!
 
2012-06-13 02:51:40 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: To be fair, it seems that the most public examples of "unintentional acceleration" have, in the end, been "user error" on the part of the drivers, not mechanical and electrical issues.


Most, but not all. The problem with Kevin Haggerty's Avalon was not user error.
 
2012-06-13 02:53:21 PM
How about this. I know, it's crazy and it'll never work but hear me out.

LEARN TO FARKING DRIVE.
 
2012-06-13 02:54:42 PM

Splinshints: So, basically, the two of you don't have any idea how a modern car works and you think that gives you free reign to act like other people are dumb?


Almost all cases of unintended acceleration were due to the person pushing down on the accelerator, not due to a defect in the car. Unless cruise control was on, removing ones foot from the accelerator would have stopped the "unintended" acceleration. In the case of cruise control, stepping on the brake would have worked.
 
2012-06-13 02:56:57 PM

Ivo Shandor: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: To be fair, it seems that the most public examples of "unintentional acceleration" have, in the end, been "user error" on the part of the drivers, not mechanical and electrical issues.

Most, but not all. The problem with Kevin Haggerty's Avalon was not user error.


likely a combination of a stuck fuel pump and a really shiatty low octane tank of gas. Good chance the engine was just dieseling out of control. Just a guess though.
 
2012-06-13 02:57:23 PM

Rent Party: Is there something wrong with this one? It's been standard on every car I've ever owned.

[www.ignitionswitchproblems.com image 390x273]


Yes, turn it too far and you'll lock the steering wheel. Not a good thing when you're moving.
 
2012-06-13 02:58:03 PM

ShawnDoc: Splinshints: So, basically, the two of you don't have any idea how a modern car works and you think that gives you free reign to act like other people are dumb?

Almost all cases of unintended acceleration were due to the person pushing down on the accelerator, not due to a defect in the car. Unless cruise control was on, removing ones foot from the accelerator would have stopped the "unintended" acceleration. In the case of cruise control, stepping on the brake would have worked.


This ... people need to FARKING learn how to drive. Stop buying automatic transmissions, and starts driving your farming cars again.
 
2012-06-13 02:59:04 PM

xbook: farming cars


tractors?
 
2012-06-13 03:05:04 PM
Passengers should not have a separate control to shut down the engine, they do not have a steering wheel or brakes, and the driver relies on the engine to power the brakes and steering. A separate cut-off would cause way more accidents than unintended acceleration, just from douchebag teenagers f*cking with the driver.
 
2012-06-13 03:08:21 PM

violentsalvation: Passengers should not have a separate control to shut down the engine, they do not have a steering wheel or brakes, and the driver relies on the engine to power the brakes and steering. A separate cut-off would cause way more accidents than unintended acceleration, just from douchebag teenagers f*cking with the driver.


Easy solution. Just continue to raise the age, height and weight restrictions for passengers to sit in the front seats. Perpetually strap them in, facing backwards. Best way to protect us from the evil teenagers.

/I mean for their own safety. Of course.
 
2012-06-13 03:08:24 PM
We have over dozen buttons, knobs, and switches that confuse, confound, and otherwise go unnoticed by the elderly, the stupid, or incompetent.

I know! Let's add another one!
 
2012-06-13 03:09:11 PM

Invisible Pedestrian: Rent Party: Is there something wrong with this one? It's been standard on every car I've ever owned.

[www.ignitionswitchproblems.com image 390x273]

Yes, turn it too far and you'll lock the steering wheel. Not a good thing when you're moving.


Funny, you should bring that up. My old porsche's wheel lock was a bit warn and went into the lock position when the key was in the run position.

In the middle of a corner out at the track.

Managed to bring it to a safe stop in the pea gravel, but that little tab on the steering wheel hub was removed within minutes.
 
2012-06-13 03:09:56 PM

violentsalvation: Passengers should not have a separate control to shut down the engine, they do not have a steering wheel or brakes, and the driver relies on the engine to power the brakes and steering. A separate cut-off would cause way more accidents than unintended acceleration, just from douchebag teenagers f*cking with the driver.


Well then it's a good thing the author never suggested such a thing isn't it?
 
2012-06-13 03:17:19 PM
I don't understand why these people just didn't pop the clutch, then your wheels are getting absolutely no power, you can even downshift to slow down if your brakes are having trouble. Hell you can go into neutral without even touching the clutch.

This is a discussion about driving right? Get all of your talk of automatic transmissions out of here, automatics are the AOL of the car world.
 
2012-06-13 03:18:53 PM

turbocucumber: Weird, how this "unintentional acceleration" seems to happen in the US only.


OMG it's a conspiracy to kill Americans
 
2012-06-13 03:19:03 PM

IrateShadow: People are dumb. It's really not that difficult to pop the car into neutral.


That's what i was always taught to do if the accelerator pin broke, and it would also work for anything else causing uncontrolled acceleration.

/truly, people are dumb
 
2012-06-13 03:24:47 PM

rohar: Well then it's a good thing the author never suggested such a thing isn't it?


To be fair:

Headline: It's called "buttoning," a new trend where passengers activate the emergency cutoff

Article: It should be to the left of the driver (right on right-hand-drive cars), to keep smartass passengers from whacking it just for fun...
 
2012-06-13 03:24:47 PM

ShawnDoc: Splinshints: So, basically, the two of you don't have any idea how a modern car works and you think that gives you free reign to act like other people are dumb?

Almost all cases of unintended acceleration were due to the person pushing down on the accelerator, not due to a defect in the car. Unless cruise control was on, removing ones foot from the accelerator would have stopped the "unintended" acceleration. In the case of cruise control, stepping on the brake would have worked.


There was the problem with the ford cruise control and humidity from late 80's to early 90's where hitting the breaks would not work but yes.

csb

I made the throttle cable to my hot rod and after the first time I barried the accelerator the cable stuck itself. Whatthe? quick to neutral, key off engine, key on. cruise to a stop. Taint hard if you keep your head about yourself.
 
2012-06-13 03:28:30 PM

rohar: violentsalvation: Passengers should not have a separate control to shut down the engine, they do not have a steering wheel or brakes, and the driver relies on the engine to power the brakes and steering. A separate cut-off would cause way more accidents than unintended acceleration, just from douchebag teenagers f*cking with the driver.

Well then it's a good thing the author never suggested such a thing isn't it?


Submitter did, and I only read part of that article because I thought it was a pointless idea and a waste of my time.
 
Ant
2012-06-13 03:28:33 PM

Splinshints: So, basically, the two of you don't have any idea how a modern car works and you think that gives you free reign to act like other people are dumb?


Ignorance more often breeds confidence than does knowledge. -Darwin
 
2012-06-13 03:31:41 PM

violentsalvation: Passengers should not have a separate control to shut down the engine, they do not have a steering wheel or brakes, and the driver relies on the engine to power the brakes and steering. A separate cut-off would cause way more accidents than unintended acceleration, just from douchebag teenagers f*cking with the driver.


At speed you do not need power steering. It only helps at low speeds. And even with the power removed from your brakes you will still work your brakes albeit to a lesser degree.
 
2012-06-13 03:32:44 PM
Cars should automatically shut off if both hands are not on the wheel during hard acceleration or any braking.
 
2012-06-13 03:33:54 PM

Saiga410: violentsalvation: Passengers should not have a separate control to shut down the engine, they do not have a steering wheel or brakes, and the driver relies on the engine to power the brakes and steering. A separate cut-off would cause way more accidents than unintended acceleration, just from douchebag teenagers f*cking with the driver.

At speed you do not need power steering. It only helps at low speeds. And even with the power removed from your brakes you will still work your brakes albeit to a lesser degree.


I had a fun little problem on my last car of the fuel pump inertia kill switch shorting out and killing the fuel pump at random times. It wasn't fun to turn into driveways to get off the road, but it was doable. There's no way my grandma could have turned that wheel, though.
 
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