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(Japan Times)   Japanese army rangers march through central Tokyo for first time since 1970, with rationale that they need to "get acquainted with the urban environment." Hence, the rifles   (japantimes.co.jp) divider line 59
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2012-06-13 09:36:06 AM  
FTA: They were in camouflage, how can you find them?

Starbucks for the win!
 
2012-06-13 09:44:55 AM  
I thought the JDF got plenty of urban training every time Godzilla comes through...
 
2012-06-13 09:47:10 AM  
Somehow, I don't think that camo is really working.
 
2012-06-13 09:48:38 AM  
www.japantimes.co.jp

Gojira is totally going to see you in that.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2012-06-13 10:04:37 AM  
Got one

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-06-13 12:41:30 PM  
Start the News Flash tags when you see them affix bayonets. Until then relax
 
2012-06-13 01:18:08 PM  
General Yamashiata not impressed.
 
2012-06-13 01:21:44 PM  
Forrow Me!

www.japantimes.co.jp
 
2012-06-13 01:22:39 PM  
Japan is rebuilding an offensive military (with American's blessing). The Oosumi Class Helicopter destroyer is the first step in the direction of a carrier. They're also expanding their lineup of Aegis cruisers (so they have carrier escorts and platforms to shoot down incoming from North Korea and China). South Korea's doing the same with their KDX-III and KDX-IIA destroyers, plus the Dokdo big deck amphib (which has a deck capable of operating Harriers and F-35s, even if they don't own any). Japan also wanted to buy some F-22s at one point, but was turned down.

Both countries realize in the event of an aggressive China, their survival hinges on keeping the sealanes to America open and farking up China's ability to ship stuff in from its African projects.

Expect to see more of this, all three countries have tightly tied navies. South Korea for example recently didn't even protest when the Japanese sent Aegis destroyers to lurk off the Korean coast. Normally the ROK has a fit about Japanese hardware heading West, but with the recent North Korean noise they welcomed the Aegis destroyers. All three countries do joint fleet operations and we're moving more ships into the region. We're also building more Aegis ships once the Republicans stop being obstructionist with the Burke Flight III destroyers.

/fun fact the ROK operates the largest Aegis Destroyers out there
//supposedly both countries are aiming to get a fleet of midsized carriers by 2020 (~40 aircraft, standard deck type of thing)
 
2012-06-13 01:26:40 PM  
Well as long as it is Tokyo and not Nanking....that's ok then. Because when the Germans tell you to dial it back a bit you know you've gone way too far.
 
2012-06-13 01:26:42 PM  
In case of disaster look for the guys with green faces.
 
2012-06-13 01:26:46 PM  
 
2012-06-13 01:27:20 PM  

Zalan: Somehow, I don't think that camo is really working.


What you don't notice are the several hundred rangers camouflaged as bland salarymen.
 
2012-06-13 01:31:46 PM  
i174.photobucket.com

I pictured this in my head.
 
2012-06-13 01:33:17 PM  
Also as far as militaries go, Japan is pretty much the second most powerful in the world. They keep their stuff up to date, they have a high level of professionalism (they remember how well they did from late 1800s to the 1940s and take pride in that), and they have a nice economy backing it. Their main limited factor is since they're a defense force, their logistics are lacking. However if you pissed them off, I'd bet they could get themselves a fleet of modern Liberty ships in the water and be knocking on your door in fairly short order.

/The Brits are also good, but routinely farked in terms of budget
//ROK is also good, lots of high tech toys, but their conscripts kind of drag the average down
 
2012-06-13 01:37:08 PM  

mytdawg: [i174.photobucket.com image 476x390]

I pictured this in my head.


Came here for this. Transforming into a larger monster.
 
2012-06-13 01:40:35 PM  
Wangers? Wane-gers?
 
2012-06-13 01:42:20 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Japan is rebuilding an offensive military (with American's blessing). The Oosumi Class Helicopter destroyer is the first step in the direction of a carrier. They're also expanding their lineup of Aegis cruisers (so they have carrier escorts and platforms to shoot down incoming from North Korea and China). South Korea's doing the same with their KDX-III and KDX-IIA destroyers, plus the Dokdo big deck amphib (which has a deck capable of operating Harriers and F-35s, even if they don't own any). Japan also wanted to buy some F-22s at one point, but was turned down.

Both countries realize in the event of an aggressive China, their survival hinges on keeping the sealanes to America open and farking up China's ability to ship stuff in from its African projects.

Expect to see more of this, all three countries have tightly tied navies. South Korea for example recently didn't even protest when the Japanese sent Aegis destroyers to lurk off the Korean coast. Normally the ROK has a fit about Japanese hardware heading West, but with the recent North Korean noise they welcomed the Aegis destroyers. All three countries do joint fleet operations and we're moving more ships into the region. We're also building more Aegis ships once the Republicans stop being obstructionist with the Burke Flight III destroyers.

/fun fact the ROK operates the largest Aegis Destroyers out there
//supposedly both countries are aiming to get a fleet of midsized carriers by 2020 (~40 aircraft, standard deck type of thing)


WWIII will be started as a naval action in the South China Sea. The orignal adversaries will be the Chinese and Phillipine navies , though before long it will engulf the Japanese, Vietnamese and Indian navies as well.

The land war will involve China fighting a defensive struggle against the Indian Army and a full scale invasion of Vietnam (which will turn out like the last time they tried that) . Since the US will not be able to get directly involved without risking nuclear war, Japan will be our proxy
 
2012-06-13 01:49:27 PM  
Something really needs to be done to relieve the poor starving people of North Korea. Unfortunately, the 'civilized' nations dont just go around invading countries to end human suffering. They leave it up to the people themselves to rise up and end their own suffering.
 
2012-06-13 01:56:06 PM  

Clash City Farker: Something really needs to be done to relieve the poor starving people of North Korea. Unfortunately, the 'civilized' nations dont just go around invading countries to end human suffering. They leave it up to the people themselves to rise up and end their own suffering.


China refuses to accept any kind of Western military action on the northern half of the Korean peninsula.
It will be a cold, cold, cold, day in Hell before the ROK accepts Chinese annexation of the northern half of the peninsula.
It would also cost hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of dollars to improve the standard of North Korean living. Look at what East Germany cost West Germany to absorb.

The proper response is to try to get a non crazy guy running the North. Then the South Korean companies can go in and set up factories there (cheap labor and it already speaks Korean!). After that the North can industrialize itself over a few decades. The problem is getting the non crazy asshole running the place.
 
2012-06-13 02:08:20 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-13 02:09:03 PM  
I bet it has less to do with threats from China and NK than the coming panic when Fukushima blows and Tokyo has to be evacuated.
 
2012-06-13 02:11:20 PM  
Maybe they know something we don't...

i174.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-13 02:17:42 PM  
Japan also seems to be building closer strategic ties with India, which is a smart move; India can supply the manpower and (to an extent) raw materials that Japan lacks. It also helps that Japan never got deep enough into India during the war to do very many awful things, making India one of the few Asian countries that doesn't totally hate Japan's guts.

Wonder how Russia will get involved in this... they're certainly no fans of China, and have traditionally been an Indian ally. Then again, they might see China as a bulwark against US interests.
 
2012-06-13 02:17:55 PM  
The only training ground they'll ever need:
images4.fanpop.com
 
2012-06-13 02:27:23 PM  
The Japanese have these:
laughingsquid.com

Interesting to see what they have that 'no-body' knows about.

/Good for them...though they should teach their citizens about Japans actions in WWII ('shameful'...that's why they don't) and should be able to have a standing army/navy again.
 
2012-06-13 02:30:59 PM  
I dont see Japan as a major player any more. Certainly its no offensive threat to anyone. The west befriending India is a win-win, a counter weight to China and a regional influence in the war against terror. India benfits by increased trade.

I wouldnt be surprised if one day 1,000,000 Chinese soldiers washed up on the shoreos of Taiwan after being carrier over on a huge force of Chinese subs that we didnt know they had. Then the fun would start.
 
2012-06-13 02:32:43 PM  
Check out this site in regards to China and their military buildup Link

I did a quick look for the Russia/China not allies article but did not have time to find it.
 
2012-06-13 03:08:09 PM  
I seriously hope it looked like this:
www.animextremist.com
 
2012-06-13 03:20:22 PM  
Reft, reft, reft right reft.

Moder A Ford and a tank furr of gas.....
 
2012-06-13 03:22:31 PM  

Clash City Farker: I dont see Japan as a major player any more. Certainly its no offensive threat to anyone. The west befriending India is a win-win, a counter weight to China and a regional influence in the war against terror. India benfits by increased trade.

I wouldnt be surprised if one day 1,000,000 Chinese soldiers washed up on the shoreos of Taiwan after being carrier over on a huge force of Chinese subs that we didnt know they had. Then the fun would start.


As ha ha guy above said much better than I ever could, Japan is not to be underestimated militarily. They have one of the most disciplined and well equipped militaries in the world and it wouldn't take long for them to become an offensive threat (they are already slowly heading that direction).
 
2012-06-13 03:28:09 PM  
Maybe I have a concentrated view of what entails central Tokyo, but Itabashi and Nerima are not in central Tokyo.
 
2012-06-13 03:45:31 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Also as far as militaries go, Japan is pretty much the second most powerful in the world. They keep their stuff up to date, they have a high level of professionalism (they remember how well they did from late 1800s to the 1940s and take pride in that), and they have a nice economy backing it. Their main limited factor is since they're a defense force, their logistics are lacking. However if you pissed them off, I'd bet they could get themselves a fleet of modern Liberty ships in the water and be knocking on your door in fairly short order.

/The Brits are also good, but routinely farked in terms of budget
//ROK is also good, lots of high tech toys, but their conscripts kind of drag the average down


Indeed. If the Japanese make tanks, ships, aircraft and weapons as well as they make cars... and given their, ahem, enthusiasm, when it comes to war... It seems they're pretty good folks to have on your side in a fight.

//Honda and Subaru tanks FTW
 
2012-06-13 04:17:43 PM  

MythDragon: I seriously hope it looked like this:
[www.animextremist.com image 640x527]


Nah, those were lame. Tethered power supply? Really?

This is MUCH better:

4.bp.blogspot.com


/Arbalest Wins!
//I like FMP better than almost any other Mecha based show.
 
2012-06-13 04:28:57 PM  
How do you get acquainted with the urban environment by walking around town? And nice tactical march, guys!

If you want to train for real, announce a training exercise so you can blow off people who say you scared them. Then cordon off a block in front of a building leased for the day, set off a few flash-bangs to disrupt the public, and deploy your forces to the location. They get to deal with Tokyo traffic, a tactical approach through crowds leaving the vicinity and other people who want to see what is happening, then confront an opposing force inside the building.

A relaxed stroll through town in your finest woodland camouflage doesn't teach a thing.
 
2012-06-13 04:44:13 PM  
On second thought......I think the Japanese can't have an army even if they wanted to:

From:

ww2total.com

To:

emoboy.net
 
2012-06-13 04:52:21 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Also as far as militaries go, Japan is pretty much the second most powerful in the world. They keep their stuff up to date, they have a high level of professionalism (they remember how well they did from late 1800s to the 1940s and take pride in that), and they have a nice economy backing it.


I'm most curious about their marine capabilities. You don't hear much about their elite naval units, but consider this -- they are a country completely surrounded by ocean near one, arguably two hostile states. If any country in the world needed elite naval recon (like the US' SEALs), it's Japan.

Mensan: How do you get acquainted with the urban environment by walking around town?


Quite a lot, I'd imagine. You can just get your soldiers thinking differently, as basic training will give them insight on where to go for cover, vantage points, etc. Cities have very different engagement ranges, vantage points and methods of concealment from open terrain. Even if they get nothing else from this training but a different frame of mind, it'd be successful. Many of the basics of warfare haven't changed since the days of Sun Tzu.

Moopy Mac: They have one of the most disciplined and well equipped militaries in the world and it wouldn't take long for them to become an offensive threat (they are already slowly heading that direction).


Like just about everything else in their infrastructure, they have quality equipment but resources will ALWAYS be a constraint. They can build the best tanks in the world (and arguably they do) but they still run on fossil fuels. They're a defensive force partly because of U.S. mandates they honor to this day, partly because the culture has been pacifist since WW2 and partly because they can't launch an offensive. They'd run out of gas first.
 
2012-06-13 05:23:15 PM  

optional: It also helps that Japan never got deep enough into India during the war to do very many awful things, making India one of the few Asian countries that doesn't totally hate Japan's guts.


Hell, Japan and Germany were sponsoring militia fighting for independence. I would imagine there are some who liked that.
 
2012-06-13 05:36:36 PM  
Magorn:

WWIII will be started as a naval action in the South China Sea. The orignal adversaries will be the Chinese and Phillipine navies , though before long it will engulf the Japanese, Vietnamese and Indian navies as well.

The land war will involve China fighting a defensive struggle against the Indian Army and a full scale invasion of Vietnam (which will turn out like the last time they tried that) . Since the US will not be able to get directly involved without risking nu ...


That's just retarded. There won't be a World War III. There might be some saber-rattling between China and the Philippines, but the existence of a counter-balancing naval alliance and legal venues like the world court means that whatever resource grabs China has in mind will get worked out in court. China depends on exports, and its main export customers are the people mentioned in your WWIII scenario.
 
2012-06-13 05:40:05 PM  

exvaxman: Check out this site in regards to China and their military buildup Link

I did a quick look for the Russia/China not allies article but did not have time to find it.


That's a PLA official "news" site. About as reliable as Iranian missile-launch photos.
 
2012-06-13 06:18:28 PM  

MAYORBOB: Forrow Me!

[www.japantimes.co.jp image 350x249]


That's what the Green Army Men from "Toy Story" characters look like in Disneyland.

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2012-06-13 06:59:35 PM  
They should have dressed up as anime characters. It would be a much better camo pattern than what they actually wore.
 
2012-06-13 07:27:16 PM  
Quote from link--

"The rangers are guerrilla warfare troops who have received special training for missions such as reconnaissance and ambushes"



Don't they mean..

www.ultimeverite.com

//hot pic
 
2012-06-13 08:53:16 PM  
Fear these men. Anyone who can pull off wearing these things is tough as nails. They will slice up the worst tasting parts of you and serve them raw. With a little wasabi on the side.

www.wtfcostumes.com
 
2012-06-13 08:55:43 PM  
World's in trouble, peeps.

Stand up, and make peace.
 
2012-06-13 08:57:16 PM  
They're going to be the clean up crews after the Chinamen & nukes.
 
2012-06-13 09:52:31 PM  

washington-babylon: MythDragon: I seriously hope it looked like this:
[www.animextremist.com image 640x527]

Nah, those were lame. Tethered power supply? Really?

This is MUCH better:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x481]


/Arbalest Wins!
//I like FMP better than almost any other Mecha based show.


You BOTH fail!

i1102.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-13 10:05:50 PM  
people mistake 'well equipped' with 'effective'. Yes, Japan has plenty of nice, shiny modern weapons, but the country if not outright despising its military certainly is rather apathetic to it. Soldiering its looked up with pride like in the western world, its something losers and dropouts do. Compound that with a rather 'unrigorous' training program and you got a small force of personnel who have permanent 'short timer' syndrome and a major retention issue.

Had a joint exercise with JASDF at Yoko. Half of them, and i mean the junior NCO's had no idea wtf they were doing if some officer wasnt telling them how to do it. It was like dealing with the Saudi military all over again.
 
2012-06-13 10:12:04 PM  

Magorn: WWIII will be started as a naval action in the South China Sea. The orignal adversaries will be the Chinese and Phillipine navies , though before long it will engulf the Japanese, Vietnamese and Indian navies as well.

The land war will involve China fighting a defensive struggle against the Indian Army and a full scale invasion of Vietnam (which will turn out like the last time they tried that) . Since the US will not be able to get directly involved without risking nuclear war, Japan will be our proxy


Why? Despite the constant arguing about a few islands, war is not in China's interest, as they are too much tied in the global economy. The country is relatively stable, economy is still growing, they are nearly self-sufficient in food, are securing supply of resource everywhere, they have their population growth under control, and the hardliners in the government are steadily dying out and losing ground, and no countries are really threatening China's borders. There is no need for territorial expansion. China's main concern for the past decades has been to maintain internal stability, and that goal now is linked to the global economy. China wants those islands, and they want Taiwan, but not enough to risk war and economic meltdown and as a result internal instability and destruction of all that they have rebuild after Mao.

The only way China will get in to a war is:
1. Through the actions of other countries, for example if they start blocking or taking over China's supply of oil and raw materials, boycotts, refusal to accept China as worldplayer, which will lead a strong increase of nationalistic sentiments and hardliners gaining power, military action and expansion to secure resources . In short, the same reasons that started the pacific war in WWII. This is a possible scenario, but will not happen soon.

2. Over water; if China's water problems grow more severe, they might decide to dam and reroute the major rivers flowing from Tibet into India, risking a war with India over Tibet. (And this, btw, is the main reason why China is in Tibet; it's the source of most major Chinese rivers) Again a possible scenario, but will not happen soon.

3. Political change. A democracy in China might not necessarily be a good thing, as it might lead to the people electing strongly nationalist, populist leaders who might not be so diplomatically inclined. Especially if this happens in conjunction with economic problems. Not likely to happen anytime soon.

4. Internal instability. If China is falling apart and the Chinese government has to start a harsh civil war causing other countries to step in. Not likely to happen anytime soon.
 
2012-06-13 10:13:08 PM  

CJHardin: Reft, reft, reft right reft.

Moder A Ford and a tank furr of gas.....



I'd think they'd be more likely to go with "...left... right... left... right... B... A..."
 
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