If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Spiegel)   This is What Hell Looks Like: Nazis have been left to thrive in parts of eastern Germany   (spiegel.de) divider line 129
    More: Strange, Nazis, exchange student, CDU, rural district, town council, far right, town square, regional government  
•       •       •

37574 clicks; posted to Main » on 13 Jun 2012 at 12:12 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



Voting Results (Smartest)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Archived thread
2012-06-12 09:49:04 PM  
6 votes:

timujin: She and her husband moved to Geithain 19 years ago. They had lived in Leipzig, some 40 kilometers away, but had wanted their children to grow up in a safer environment, away from criminality and drugs, far from the dangers of the big city.

"Far from the dangers"? 25 miles is "far"?.


In European terms, yes.
2012-06-13 03:19:50 AM  
5 votes:

GentlemanJ: Personally, I would expect that any serious revival of National Socialism would include exterminating these criminal imbeciles. The only way for them to maintain order would be to eliminate the crazies in their own ranks.


They keep the thug element around for intimidation until they secure political power, then it's Night of the Long Knives again.
2012-06-13 02:19:49 AM  
5 votes:

Mad_Radhu: Dixie_Wrecked: skullkrusher: Dixie_Wrecked: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".

Come on down here and live for a while and maybe you'll figure it out. Or you can just stay and live in your little snow globe world.

come down where, exactly? "The South" is a pretty big place. Or are gross generalizations the only thing people from "The South" are capable of?

The same south CS was generalizing about. Reading comprehension not one of your strong subjects?

I was born and raised in the South, and despite there being a lot of cool people there, you still have quite a few close minded people who are strong with the derp.

/The South
//Not racist
///But #1 with racists


I was an Army brat and lived all over the country, including the south. People in the north (or east or west) are just as racist, they just aren't as open about it.
2012-06-13 12:50:09 AM  
5 votes:
EvilRacistNaziFascist
The statement on page 5 of the slideshow is interesting: "National socialism can't be elected or begged for. It can only be achieved through the path of revolution." Take away the word "national" and you're left with a remark that anyone on the hard Left -- including those types overrepresented in movements like Occupy Wall Street -- would be proud to stand by.

This- this is some high-quality trolling right here.
2012-06-13 12:44:46 AM  
5 votes:

craxyd: Used to go to a club in Meiningen back when I was stationed in Germany. There was most always a pack of 10-15 Nazi skinheads in the place but they didn't bother us Armerican "auslandern" even though they had us outnumbered by as many as 3 to 1 at times. Hell, there was a couple months that I'd be the only American soldier in the place.

By my observation, they maintained an attitude of "Don't start none, won't be none."


I think if you weren't part of a particularly large military and a visible minority they probably would have started some with you.
2012-06-13 12:28:07 AM  
5 votes:

timujin: She and her husband moved to Geithain 19 years ago. They had lived in Leipzig, some 40 kilometers away, but had wanted their children to grow up in a safer environment, away from criminality and drugs, far from the dangers of the big city.

"Far from the dangers"? 25 miles is "far"?.


That's Harlem to Connecticut.

That's South Side of Chicago to Evanston.

That's Compton to Beverly Hills.
2012-06-12 09:00:27 PM  
5 votes:
Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force!

You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have
striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The
hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you.
In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on
other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war
machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of
Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world.

Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well
equipped and battle hardened. He will fight savagely.

But this is the year 1944! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of
1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats,
in open battle, man-to-man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their
strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home
Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions
of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men.
The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to
Victory!

I have full confidence in your courage and devotion to duty and skill in
battle. We will accept nothing less than full Victory!

Good luck! And let us beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great
and noble undertaking.


SIGNED: Dwight D. Eisenhower
2012-06-13 11:36:29 AM  
4 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: The statement on page 5 of the slideshow is interesting: "National socialism can't be elected or begged for. It can only be achieved through the path of revolution." Take away the word "national" and you're left with a remark that anyone on the hard Left -- including those types overrepresented in movements like Occupy Wall Street -- would be proud to stand by.

This is more proof, as if any were needed, that both fascism and communism -- the latter of which frequently calls itself socialism, as in the acronym "USSR" -- are equally inimical to free societies; but in North America we don't have to worry about tiny fringes of neo-Nazis nearly as much as we do about hardcore leftists yearning to make a final end-run around democracy (i.e. because the brainwashed "masses" keep voting for the wrong parties like Republicans, Conservatives, etc.)

Medic Zero: It boggles the mind that people actually believe the kind of crap you just spouted.

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Another well-thought-out, elaborate, and intricately reasoned rebuttal from the Left. Do you people have anything other than snark and insults to offer? I ask in all sincerity.


Ok, I'll bite.

I was part of the Occupy movement, and yes, there were socialists there. There were also Ron Paul supporters, liberals, leftists, libertarians, fiscal conservatives, moderates, anarchists, and even some former Tea Party members. Those who would agree with the "path of revolution" statement would primarily be the anarchists. I'm not sure I would describe those folks as being part of the "hard left", since their primary argument is that there should be no political or governmental system at all, that people should be left alone to govern their own behavior. Everyone else pretty much embraced the ideas of non-violence, even rejecting property damage.

I agree that fascism and communism (as opposed to socialism) are inimical to free societies. But then again, so is laissez faire capitalism. Any organized system for governing human behavior has an element of coercion in it (the anarchists are right about that). But it's still better than the alternatives the anarchists and libertarians envision.

The major point of disagreement (i.e.: where Medic Zero says you were spouting crap) was with this idea that hardcore leftists are yearning to replace democracy.

First, the question is who you call hardcore leftists. Does that include libertarians? Liberals? Anarchists? Democrats? Socialists? And do you know how to recognize the difference? I ask in all seriousness, because political discourse in this country has degenerated to the point where Obama is called a Socialist by a large number of conservatives, so for all I know you might consider him as a hard-core leftist.

Second, liberals are frequently criticized for defending the "other" over the core or traditional -- the Muslim over the Christian, the Mexican over the American, gay rights over "traditional" marriage, the ALCU over the authorities. Why would a group of people who pride themselves on accepting a variety of opinions want to do an end run around a process that allows people to express their views? What's more, history and demographics are on the side of the liberal. The US is becoming more diverse every day. Whites just recently became a minority of births in this country. Rural populations continue to shrink as urban populations grow. Discrimination against gays is increasingly unacceptable both socially and legally.

Conservatives complain that the world they know and love is under attack from new ideas and strange people and customs. They are fighting to preserve it. So it is natural that they would try to prevent the people bringing those new ideas in from having a voice in how things are done. Thus, they lead the effort to ensure that non-citizens are excluded from the voter rolls, even at the expense of dropping off some citizens.

Now, if by "hard core leftists" you mean only the true extremists, who want to see all government eliminated, or communism established, then fine. Those people exist. They are very few in number.

They are vastly outnumbered by those on the right who wish to see this become a Christian Nation, with an established religion, the Bible as the source of moral authority and the foundation for our legal system, schools teaching religious doctrine rather than science, and religious tests for political office. All of those things do an end-run around democracy, too.
2012-06-13 03:33:50 AM  
4 votes:
Ok, let's get this straightened out. I'm tired of the troll mucking things up like an idiot.

Nazi's and Neo Nazi's = Far right. Conservatives.
They aren't really socialists, even if "socialism" in their name. They are Fascists.

Communists = Lefties.

Ok, now go ahead and resume your stupidity, I'm sure this won't stop you.
2012-06-13 01:00:53 AM  
4 votes:

fusillade762: EvilRacistNaziFascist: because the brainwashed "masses" keep voting for the wrong parties like Republicans, Conservatives, etc

How do you explain people who aren't rich voting for a party that only wants to make rich people richer?


Because things are more complicated than dreamed of in your simplistic analysis. You could just as easily ask of Democratic voters, "how do you explain people who are white voting for a party that routinely awards spoils to favoured minority groups?" See how easy it is to create stereotypes?

My own opinion (as a foreigner) of the Republicans BTW is that they are only marginally less destructive to the economy and society of the US than the Democrats are, but then again I am making this criticism from the perspective of what the mainstream media in its wisdom is pleased to call "the far right". I happen to believe that the US under its current political system is f*cked no matter who wins its elections, because both parties are in favour of spending inconceivably vast amounts of money they cannot possibly repay, while at the same time encouraging (to varying degrees) a multiplicity of mutually- incompatible special interest groups to seek their own advantage at the expense of the country as a whole. On the day when there will finally be no more money to pay off the special interests, the US will collapse under its own weight; but after that it will hopefully be able to rise again as a great country on the strength of its hard work and resources. Let's hope that the collapse and subsequent renewal happen soon.
2012-06-13 12:29:31 AM  
4 votes:
In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".
2012-06-13 12:22:56 AM  
4 votes:
Nobody should be too surprised by this. West Germany went through decades of dealing with their Nazis history. Under the Russians East Germany became a "say one thing, think another" culture. As soon as reunification happened neo-Nazi elements began to emerge.

/Along with the western portion being a veritable melting pot compared to the east.
2012-06-13 07:36:21 AM  
3 votes:
It's pretty clear that right wingers are acutely aware of their parallels with nazis, hence their desire to get out in front of these threads and declare that the nazis were "leftists". (A word they've rendered utterly meaningless)

Nobody really buys it. The thing I don't get about these racist supremacist types is that they won't own it. They're clearly proud of their crooked ideology, but they feel this need to wear a mask like they're nice guys.
2012-06-13 07:19:40 AM  
3 votes:
People of every color marching side by side.
Across the fields where a million fascists died.
You're bound to lose...All you fascists bound to lose.

4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-06-13 06:38:17 AM  
3 votes:

BrassArt: fusillade762: EvilRacistNaziFascist: because the brainwashed "masses" keep voting for the wrong parties like Republicans, Conservatives, etc

How do you explain people who aren't rich voting for a party that only wants to make rich people richer?

How do you explain people who aren't white voting for a party that only wants to make them a permanent underclass?


Because the republicans have also been able to sell themselves as the party which will keep america safe from gays immigrants feminists socialists and other people who want to tear down the fabric of tradional 'merican values.

This is why people who should, theoretically anyways, assuming they were informed enough about things to make good decisions (a whole other topic) be voting democrat (people like truck drivers, machinists, and other laborers) vote republican. Because theyre afraid of the liberal socialist boogieman who's gonna take away their guns and make their daughters date black muslim suicide bombers and give them the ghey AIDS. That the reality of them being stripped of their remaining worker rights, pensions, health care etc... this is not as important.

This is how they get them to vote against their own self interest.
2012-06-13 06:30:25 AM  
3 votes:

Loki-L: The article blows things a bit out of proportion.

Neo-Nazis are a problem in rural eastern Germany but not really as big a problem as the article makes it appear. Their overall number is relatively small and they are extremely disorganized. Whenever these clowns stage a protest someplace civilized they end up being outnumbered by counterprotestor at least 10 to 1 sometimes 100 to1. If the constitutional protection agency pulled out their agents the whole leadership would probably collapse overnight.

The bit about the woman's son being attacked by neo-nazis also downplays the fact that her son was teenage punk. Punks and neo-nazis tend to violently clash all the time. Most of the time the punks outnumber the neo-nazi assholes, in this case he just had the misfortune of not having the upper hand. It was not a case of neo-nazis randomly attacking innocent children, they only do that if the children are brown.

So yes, Neo-Nazis are a problem, they are a danger, there are far too many of them in eastern Germany for anyone's comfort and the government is not doing enough to about it, but the problem is not as bad as the article makes it seem.


Came here to say more or less exactly this. Well done sir.

Sachsen (Saxony) is germany's poor and backwards part where the majority of the E. German industry was. For 20 years now those cities have been shrinking as the factories were dismantled and the work moved either to high skilled jobs in cities in the west like Stuttgart munich hamburg, or the unskilled labor jobs went further east to Poland and the Czech republicn where labor costs were lower than they were in Germany. One of the biggest mistakes the Germans made economically when they reunified the country was sacrifice economic sense on the altar of political solidarity: the unions and labor associations the govt. etc all made e. german workers get the same amount of hourly pay as western workers. This is all well and good politically and stuff but makes no sense economically when you have a work force which is 20 years behind its counterpart in the west. So, west german companies *did* move east after the wall fell... straight to Poland and Czech republic, since well if youre going to train people from scratch at least do it cheaply.

Anyways the end effect of all this was the former east, with some exceptions, obviously, but basically lost its industry and has been bleeding people since. The good jobs are in the west, so the kids grew up and left. And the ones who are still there are either the bitter pensioners who are too old or the dumbass angry youth who cant go to college and GTFO. So, much like the rural south of the USA, these places are havens for anti foreigner, neo fascist types. I appreciate how closely the germans and the german press keep their eyes on this topic, and it is depressing how much of a persistent problem its been, and has been for 20 years or so now since reunification. But its hardly anything to get super worked up over. The germans aren't going to revert to naziism again anymore than the south of the US will rise again.
2012-06-13 04:47:19 AM  
3 votes:
EvilRacistNaziFascist: But who really represents the "hard right" in the West today, other than tiny groups of neo-Nazis who practically everyone hates in any case? The OWS movement by contrast attracted a disproportionately large share of media coverage considering the relatively small numbers involved, and of that coverage a surprising amount was favourable. Even Obama expressed his sympathies with the protesters. Could you honestly imagine such a thing happening with an extended series of public demonstrations conducted by people on the opposite end of the political spectrum? On the contrary, any tiny manifestation of "extreme right" sentiment attracts intense media opprobrium and paranoia ("the Nazis are back!!"), not to mention the critical interest of authorities looking to prosecute someone for "hate" crimes (because it's not hate to want to attack "banksters", apparently). --All I am saying is that I would like to see all kinds of fanaticism treated as equally reprehensible, and not have certain varieties given a free pass just because they happen to accord more closely with the prejudices of people who are influential in media, government, academia etc.

This strikes me as a bit self-indulgent and not very intellectually rigorous, and I know from your comments that you are not normally the former, and you certainly are the latter. So let me explain why.

The OWS movement did attract a lot of attention and yes, I don't think any serious and honest person could claim that a larger segment of the media (writ large) leans left than leans right, so there was favorable coverage in some cases, Erin Burnett notwithstanding. And indeed, Obama expressed some sympathy. But I'm not sure I understand what the demonstration by the "opposite end of the political spectrum" might look like. Do you mean a band of fiscal conservatives marching in support of further deregulation? Or lamenting that the bailout was not large enough? Perhaps chanting that our Gini Coefficient should mirror Brazil's?

I'm being glib, but you get my point: the issues being protested were ones that, on "the other end of the political spectrum" would be laughable. There wouldn't be any "intense media opprobrium" because no one could argue with a straight face that, for example, corporations don't have ENOUGH influence in the political system. Except maybe the Kochs.

As to that last point, I've always found it a little bit strange...so you are saying that the people who are "influential in media, government, academia, etc" are "prejudiced" towards the lefty perspective? If those heavyweights were so damn left-leaning and influential, we wouldn't be having any protests like OWS, because those influential people would have changed the system! What's more, I'm always a little surprised that folks from the right say this, because it's like saying "those that have more education and general influence in the world are generally left-leaning." Well, geez...I want to be more like that than being less educated and with no influence. Maybe they're on to something. But I guess that's an argument for another time.

Nor have I seen much evidence that any "hardcore leftists" are making any headway at all in your feared "final end-run around democracy."

True -- but then neither are neo-Nazis, for that matter. I don't say that hardcore lefties are subverting democracy, only that they would gladly do so given half the chance -- a chance that so far, thankfully, they haven't been given. ...


Same for both sides, again. I think that in today's America, it'll be those who vociferously defend their 2nd Amendment rights who'll be the first to resort to armed struggle to get their way. And I think we know how most NRA members vote...We lefties can only do it by unlocking your hardened husks of hearts with MDMA or LSD...we don't have any guns! ;-)
2012-06-13 03:14:22 AM  
3 votes:
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7159585/77452755#c77452755" target="_blank">Msphere</a>:</b> <i>Regarding the first paragraph: your argument is pretty much tautological. Of course someone who identifies as "hard left" would support that statement. But I don't see a lot of evidence that this is any more or less prevalent than any similar statements made by the other end of the political spectrum.</i>

But who really represents the "hard right" in the West today, other than tiny groups of neo-Nazis who practically everyone hates in any case? The OWS movement by contrast attracted a disproportionately large share of media coverage considering the relatively small numbers involved, and of that coverage a surprising amount was favourable. Even Obama expressed his sympathies with the protesters. Could you honestly imagine such a thing happening with an extended series of public demonstrations conducted by people on the opposite end of the political spectrum? On the contrary, any tiny manifestation of "extreme right" sentiment attracts intense media opprobrium and paranoia ("the Nazis are back!!"), not to mention the critical interest of authorities looking to prosecute someone for "hate" crimes (because it's not hate to want to attack "banksters", apparently). --All I am saying is that I would like to see all kinds of fanaticism treated as equally reprehensible, and not have certain varieties given a free pass just because they happen to accord more closely with the prejudices of people who are influential in media, government, academia etc.

<i>Nor have I seen much evidence that any "harcore leftists" are making any headway at all in your feared "final end-run around democracy."</i>

True -- but then neither are neo-Nazis, for that matter. I don't say that hardcore lefties are subverting democracy, only that they would gladly do so given half the chance -- a chance that so far, thankfully, they haven't been given. Here in Canada, the recent so-called Arab Spring (now rapidly turning into the Islamist Winter) caused certain smug "progressive" types to complain that we also needed a revolution to rid ourselves of a democratically- elected conservative government. (Because it's only real democracy when a socialist party is in power all the time!) So yeah, there are many fanatics out there. But the great mass of the electorate, the unwashed cattle, are the ones keeping them in check.
2012-06-13 02:17:15 AM  
3 votes:

Medic Zero: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The statement on page 5 of the slideshow is interesting: "National socialism can't be elected or begged for. It can only be achieved through the path of revolution." Take away the word "national" and you're left with a remark that anyone on the hard Left -- including those types overrepresented in movements like Occupy Wall Street -- would be proud to stand by.

This is more proof, as if any were needed, that both fascism and communism -- the latter of which frequently calls itself socialism, as in the acronym "USSR" -- are equally inimical to free societies; but in North America we don't have to worry about tiny fringes of neo-Nazis nearly as much as we do about hardcore leftists yearning to make a final end-run around democracy (i.e. because the brainwashed "masses" keep voting for the wrong parties like Republicans, Conservatives, etc.)

It boggles the mind that people actually believe the kind of crap you just spouted.


Another well-thought-out, elaborate, and intricately reasoned rebuttal from the Left. Do you people have anything other than snark and insults to offer? I ask in all sincerity.
2012-06-13 02:15:01 AM  
3 votes:

some_beer_drinker: voodoomedic: Please pardon my ignorance of modern Nazi philosophy, but being a blue-eyed American, would I be subject to harassment/abuse if I lived in this part of Germany? I mean, I'm a foreigner, speak no German, have no German roots, etc
/serious, though meaningless, question

yes, because nazi's are really just nationalists. they hate anyone who isn't them.


www.nndb.com
"You're either with us, or with the terrorists."
2012-06-13 02:09:41 AM  
3 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: The statement on page 5 of the slideshow is interesting: "National socialism can't be elected or begged for. It can only be achieved through the path of revolution." Take away the word "national" and you're left with a remark that anyone on the hard Left -- including those types overrepresented in movements like Occupy Wall Street -- would be proud to stand by.

This is more proof, as if any were needed, that both fascism and communism -- the latter of which frequently calls itself socialism, as in the acronym "USSR" -- are equally inimical to free societies; but in North America we don't have to worry about tiny fringes of neo-Nazis nearly as much as we do about hardcore leftists yearning to make a final end-run around democracy (i.e. because the brainwashed "masses" keep voting for the wrong parties like Republicans, Conservatives, etc.)


It boggles the mind that people actually believe the kind of crap you just spouted.
2012-06-13 01:58:38 AM  
3 votes:

GentlemanJ: I am reminded of a talk show I saw on television perhaps thirty years ago. The host had on three different Neo-Nazis. All were all asked what they would do if each came to power. The first one was a skinhead with a "White Power" t-shirt, He said he would send the Jews to Israel and the blacks to Africa. The second, some lunatic wearing what he must have imagined was a homemade stormtrooper uniform, said he would kill the blacks and nuke Israel. The third one was an older man in a charcoal-grey, pinstripe three-piece suit, with a tiny Nazi Party pin on one lapel. He said the first thing he would do would be to kill the other two idiots, because they were an embarrassment to National Socialism.
The host said later that the third man scared him...
Personally, I would expect that any serious revival of National Socialism would include exterminating these criminal imbeciles. The only way for them to maintain order would be to eliminate the crazies in their own ranks.


This is why European Nazism is much worse than it is in the New World. Our Nazis are inbred, braindead hicks; European Nazis are often businessmen and highly educated people. European Nazis can fark up much of the world with a serious attempt to conquer it. Our Nazis are happy if they can conquer a triple cheeseburger.
2012-06-13 01:30:18 AM  
3 votes:

Dixie_Wrecked: skullkrusher: Dixie_Wrecked: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".

Come on down here and live for a while and maybe you'll figure it out. Or you can just stay and live in your little snow globe world.

come down where, exactly? "The South" is a pretty big place. Or are gross generalizations the only thing people from "The South" are capable of?

The same south CS was generalizing about. Reading comprehension not one of your strong subjects?


I was born and raised in the South, and despite there being a lot of cool people there, you still have quite a few close minded people who are strong with the derp.

/The South
//Not racist
///But #1 with racists
2012-06-13 01:14:25 AM  
3 votes:

Corporate Self: Dixie_Wrecked: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".

Come on down here and live for a while and maybe you'll figure it out. Or you can just stay and live in your little snow globe world.

I can tell meth is bad without need to try it.


I've never quite sorted out how someone can reconcile accusing an entire people of bigotry.
2012-06-13 12:53:38 AM  
3 votes:

Dixie_Wrecked: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".

Come on down here and live for a while and maybe you'll figure it out. Or you can just stay and live in your little snow globe world.


I can tell meth is bad without need to try it.
2012-06-13 12:50:19 AM  
3 votes:
Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".


Come on down here and live for a while and maybe you'll figure it out. Or you can just stay and live in your little snow globe world.
2012-06-13 12:48:23 AM  
3 votes:
What's that saying? "In America, 100 years is a long time; in Europe, 100 miles is a long distance".

Anyhow, this article is not surprising. The reason the neo-Nazis are rampant in eastern Germany is basically because the Soviets/East Germans told the people that Nazism wasn't their fault - as good socialists/communists, they were as victimized as any other group under the Nazis. In West Germany, the population was made to feel the shame of the Nazis, raised with the guilt of knowing what they and their ancestors did.
2012-06-13 12:47:56 AM  
3 votes:
I swear to God, they're like farking cockroaches!
2012-06-13 12:38:53 AM  
3 votes:

12349876: timujin: She and her husband moved to Geithain 19 years ago. They had lived in Leipzig, some 40 kilometers away, but had wanted their children to grow up in a safer environment, away from criminality and drugs, far from the dangers of the big city.

"Far from the dangers"? 25 miles is "far"?.

That's Harlem to Connecticut.

That's South Side of Chicago to Evanston.

That's Compton to Beverly Hills.

....
East St. Louis to Frontenac (multi million $ homes)...... actually heck in many American cities all you need is 5 miles to go from ghetto to super affluent neighborhoods! You know not what you speak of
2012-06-13 12:35:01 AM  
3 votes:
The statement on page 5 of the slideshow is interesting: "National socialism can't be elected or begged for. It can only be achieved through the path of revolution." Take away the word "national" and you're left with a remark that anyone on the hard Left -- including those types overrepresented in movements like Occupy Wall Street -- would be proud to stand by.

This is more proof, as if any were needed, that both fascism and communism -- the latter of which frequently calls itself socialism, as in the acronym "USSR" -- are equally inimical to free societies; but in North America we don't have to worry about tiny fringes of neo-Nazis nearly as much as we do about hardcore leftists yearning to make a final end-run around democracy (i.e. because the brainwashed "masses" keep voting for the wrong parties like Republicans, Conservatives, etc.)
2012-06-13 12:32:47 AM  
3 votes:

Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South" "church".


/alternately, "The GOP"
2012-06-13 12:28:57 AM  
3 votes:
8:44 p.m., a male caller: "They've bashed in the windows four times already."

"And what do you expect me to do? Should I go and stand in front of the windows, or what were you expecting?"


Well yeah, actually, if I call the cops in that situation I do want them to come and get between me and danger, thanks.
2012-06-12 09:40:37 PM  
3 votes:
"You shiat foreigner, we'll get you. If you don't get out of here, we'll kill you."

"Leftists have names, leftists have addresses. Let's march and show our strength."


Now where does rhetoric like this sound familiar from?

And you know what? Why not.

Send Wallraff to Africa!"

I wonder where I've heard plans to kick all African immigrants out of a country recently from...
2012-06-12 08:54:44 PM  
3 votes:
Hey, we still have troops stationed in Germany. Can't we do a little Dresden re-enactment thing on these punks?
2012-06-13 09:03:53 PM  
2 votes:

84Charlie: They also probably have their own version of your whore mother too.



Awwww! Is somebody cranky today?

How about this: Pick any quote from the Neo-Nazi group mentioned in the article, and I'll show you a near identical quote from someone in the GOP (lets say ... since 2008). If you can find a quote that I can't match up to a GOP politician, I'll take back what I said.
2012-06-13 12:42:45 PM  
2 votes:
www.sabinabecker.com
2012-06-13 08:34:45 AM  
2 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Medic Zero: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The statement on page 5 of the slideshow is interesting: "National socialism can't be elected or begged for. It can only be achieved through the path of revolution." Take away the word "national" and you're left with a remark that anyone on the hard Left -- including those types overrepresented in movements like Occupy Wall Street -- would be proud to stand by.

This is more proof, as if any were needed, that both fascism and communism -- the latter of which frequently calls itself socialism, as in the acronym "USSR" -- are equally inimical to free societies; but in North America we don't have to worry about tiny fringes of neo-Nazis nearly as much as we do about hardcore leftists yearning to make a final end-run around democracy (i.e. because the brainwashed "masses" keep voting for the wrong parties like Republicans, Conservatives, etc.)

It boggles the mind that people actually believe the kind of crap you just spouted.

Another well-thought-out, elaborate, and intricately reasoned rebuttal from the Left. Do you people have anything other than snark and insults to offer? I ask in all sincerity.


OK, I'll bite
First, educate yourself.
Try reading Wikipedia, for instance the difference between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks.

Second, the Nazis where socialist in name only.
As members of the SA (some of whom were gay!) got restless about starting to make socialist politic, they got lined against a wall (see"Rhöm-putsch").

And third, we are talking about german nazis who have killed dozens of people, not of OWS protester who didn't kill anyone, and whose political affiliations are improvable.

Yes, Stalin was a very bad guy, I know. But you are just trolling
2012-06-13 08:28:01 AM  
2 votes:

david_gaithersburg: I wouldn't call them Nazis, but I do call them progressives.


I wouldn't call you quaint, but I might call you a complete, blithering idiot.
2012-06-13 07:57:28 AM  
2 votes:

craxyd: Used to go to a club in Meiningen back when I was stationed in Germany. There was most always a pack of 10-15 Nazi skinheads in the place but they didn't bother us Armerican "auslandern" even though they had us outnumbered by as many as 3 to 1 at times. Hell, there was a couple months that I'd be the only American soldier in the place.

By my observation, they maintained an attitude of "Don't start none, won't be none."


no, it's just 3 to 1 isn't enough of a numerical advantage against young fit mens. They aren't that courageous.
By 10 to 1 they might have attacked
2012-06-13 03:38:05 AM  
2 votes:
I smell Nazi attitudes right here in this thread. No need to go all the way to the Fatherland.

Admit it boys, the hot Hugo Boss outfits don't make up for how much it stings that the hippie guys pull more tail than you.
2012-06-13 03:03:30 AM  
2 votes:
I like cake.
2012-06-13 02:06:28 AM  
2 votes:

GentlemanJ: I am reminded of a talk show I saw on television perhaps thirty years ago. The host had on three different Neo-Nazis. All were all asked what they would do if each came to power. The first one was a skinhead with a "White Power" t-shirt, He said he would send the Jews to Israel and the blacks to Africa. The second, some lunatic wearing what he must have imagined was a homemade stormtrooper uniform, said he would kill the blacks and nuke Israel. The third one was an older man in a charcoal-grey, pinstripe three-piece suit, with a tiny Nazi Party pin on one lapel. He said the first thing he would do would be to kill the other two idiots, because they were an embarrassment to National Socialism.


Was it not the Prophet Jello Biafra who said: "In a real Fourth Reich, you'll be the first to go?" Wise words, indeed.
2012-06-13 01:47:53 AM  
2 votes:

Gulper Eel: Hey, we still have troops stationed in Germany. Can't we do a little Dresden re-enactment thing on these punks?


The very next time I see an article on Fark detailing crimes against Palestinians by Israelis, I'll say, "Can't we do a little Auschwitz re-enactment thing on these punks?" I will be very curious as to whether I get permanently banned.
2012-06-13 01:15:49 AM  
2 votes:

Paris1127: Nazi crimes happen in parts of Germany other than Saxony, like this nationwide spree. It may have something to do with having been oppressed for all those years by the East Germans; the Wall was called something like the "Fascist Protection Barrier."


Funny story, In the summer of 1989 I was visiting my family in Belfast, including my granny who was a genuine old- school Communist and she and I got into a huge row about the Berlin Wall (still standing at that time, of course); when I asked her why, if the Communist system was superior, they needed to imprison their citizens she furiously replied that the Wall was there to keep the capitalist Westerners out! When I made fun of her for saying such a ridiculous thing she actually physically attacked me, tho' not in a way to do much damage of course -- I was 18 at the time and she was 60ish. She was a crazy old b*tch (tho' God rest her soul for all that), but it has to be said that her response to losing an argument wasn't very much different from that of the more Leftish contributors on Fark.
2012-06-13 01:11:38 AM  
2 votes:
skullkrusher: Dixie_Wrecked: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".

Come on down here and live for a while and maybe you'll figure it out. Or you can just stay and live in your little snow globe world.

come down where, exactly? "The South" is a pretty big place. Or are gross generalizations the only thing people from "The South" are capable of?

The same south CS was generalizing about. Reading comprehension not one of your strong subjects?
2012-06-13 01:07:25 AM  
2 votes:

RanDomino: EvilRacistNaziFascist
The statement on page 5 of the slideshow is interesting: "National socialism can't be elected or begged for. It can only be achieved through the path of revolution." Take away the word "national" and you're left with a remark that anyone on the hard Left -- including those types overrepresented in movements like Occupy Wall Street -- would be proud to stand by.

This- this is some high-quality trolling right here.


because anything other than a left wing view = trolling, right?

Welcome to Fark.
2012-06-13 01:02:07 AM  
2 votes:
"Left to thrive in parts of eastern Germany"? The hell are they, feral hogs?
2012-06-13 12:40:10 AM  
2 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: because the brainwashed "masses" keep voting for the wrong parties like Republicans, Conservatives, etc


How do you explain people who aren't rich voting for a party that only wants to make rich people richer?
2012-06-13 12:36:34 AM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South" "church".

/alternately, "The GOP"


The Tea Party, even.
2012-06-13 12:27:05 AM  
2 votes:
Emergency operator pullin' out some good cop trolling' in that one.


So?
2012-06-13 12:20:45 AM  
2 votes:

timujin: She and her husband moved to Geithain 19 years ago. They had lived in Leipzig, some 40 kilometers away, but had wanted their children to grow up in a safer environment, away from criminality and drugs, far from the dangers of the big city.

"Far from the dangers"? 25 miles is "far"?.


It's Europe; 25 miles can be another country entirely.
2012-06-12 11:13:23 PM  
2 votes:
Yeah, I'm going to have to say Ukraine's twice as bad. And I think there's something going on there right now that involves some ball kickers refusing to be white or something. Someone always has to ruin the fun.
2012-06-12 10:15:55 PM  
2 votes:
Is it just me, or do the guns they captured last year appear to be pretty farked up?

/some of them look inoperable to me
2012-06-13 04:38:10 PM  
1 votes:

Allen. The end.: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".

Oh farking HUG IT. You probably think that Texas is part of the South, too.


Well, it certainly is full of backward, racist, rural simpletons, fought at the side of the Confederacy, is located in a somewhat southerly part of the country... yup, south.
2012-06-13 04:18:37 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: PsiChick: They like 'refresh the tree of liberty', too.

You know who else like that quote?

Thomas Jefferson, that's who.


Well sure, it was a pretty enlightened thing to say in the eighteenth century. Back then, killing or enslaving a bunch of people was considered a civilized alternative to work.

To say the same thing in the 21st century is a very different thing. Extremists think that quoting Thomas Jefferson makes them sound like enlightened polymath patriots; to everyone else, they sound like they'd rather live in an age where you can beat mill workers in lieu of pay.
2012-06-13 04:04:51 PM  
1 votes:

Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".


Oh farking HUG IT. You probably think that Texas is part of the South, too.
2012-06-13 03:48:54 PM  
1 votes:

cc_rider: Benevolent Misanthrope: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South" "church".

/alternately, "The GOP"

The Tea Party, even.


Greece's neo-Nazi Golden Dawn Party, France's Marine Le Pen (who writes underwater), etc
2012-06-13 02:57:24 PM  
1 votes:
The whole damn world seems to be regressing. WTF?
2012-06-13 01:44:22 PM  
1 votes:

Follow-up:

The president of Saxony's state parliament expelled eight far-right lawmakers from the assembly Wednesday for wearing clothes favored by German neo-Nazis.
...
The lawmakers were banned from parliament's next three sessions
Link
2012-06-13 01:00:39 PM  
1 votes:

hitlersbrain: Cid_Highwind: So, what exactly about the Nazis was particlarly right or left wing?

Fear as the primary means of political control: - Right.

The excessive use of force against it's own people: - Right.

Crippling the many to hold up the elite few: - Right

Setting people against each other with racist, sexist hate speech: - Right


I don't see the point of explaining why or how communism is extreme left-wing and fascism is extreme right-wing. Anyone who cannot see why this is true is not going to be convinced by a bulleted list.

Although I will agree that dictators tend to muddy the waters, by creating governments that are just plain I-shoot-you. It's hard to distinguish between the two systems once it boils down to a lunatic strongman in charge.
2012-06-13 12:59:57 PM  
1 votes:
Interesting article cuz I'm an ex-pat living in Leipzig. I'm from Texas and I am Hispanic but I have never had any issues in the 4 years that I have lived here. I do live in an "anti-fa" part of town however. You do see signs and graffiti around town with anti-fascist slogans and stuff like that. Every once in a while I do get a "Wo kommst du?" question and everytime I answer Texas cuz for some reason they love the idea of Texas and cowboys and Indians.
2012-06-13 10:59:44 AM  
1 votes:

thebigearl: 12349876: timujin: She and her husband moved to Geithain 19 years ago. They had lived in Leipzig, some 40 kilometers away, but had wanted their children to grow up in a safer environment, away from criminality and drugs, far from the dangers of the big city.

"Far from the dangers"? 25 miles is "far"?.

That's Harlem to Connecticut.

That's South Side of Chicago to Evanston.

That's Compton to Beverly Hills.

I was just about to say that ... Compton to Beverly Hills is almost exactly 25 miles.


8 Mile in Detroit

images.topix.com

to this:

farm3.staticflickr.com

At 33 Mile.
2012-06-13 10:21:48 AM  
1 votes:

Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".


And we have an easy way of spotting self righteous bigots.
2012-06-13 10:03:55 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Huh. Who would have known Communist North Korea was so right wing?


Bob Altemeyer, that's who.

/Oh right, you're an amateur troll, that's why I have you farkied in light red.
2012-06-13 09:54:56 AM  
1 votes:
This is sort of a vicious circle. The whole neo-nazi movement has found it's core support amoung those that were victims of forced migration (from Prussia and other areas) after WWII.
2012-06-13 09:54:00 AM  
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Paris1127: Nazi crimes happen in parts of Germany other than Saxony, like this nationwide spree. It may have something to do with having been oppressed for all those years by the East Germans; the Wall was called something like the "Fascist Protection Barrier."

Funny story, In the summer of 1989 I was visiting my family in Belfast, including my granny who was a genuine old- school Communist and she and I got into a huge row about the Berlin Wall (still standing at that time, of course); when I asked her why, if the Communist system was superior, they needed to imprison their citizens she furiously replied that the Wall was there to keep the capitalist Westerners out! When I made fun of her for saying such a ridiculous thing she actually physically attacked me, tho' not in a way to do much damage of course -- I was 18 at the time and she was 60ish. She was a crazy old b*tch (tho' God rest her soul for all that), but it has to be said that her response to losing an argument wasn't very much different from that of the more Leftish contributors on Fark.


And the insanity is obviously hereditary.
2012-06-13 09:23:20 AM  
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: ...communism... which frequently calls itself socialism, as in the acronym "USSR"...


I know this is a pointless argument to have, but do you also believe that China (The People's Republic) functions as a republic? Just because a country has something in its name, doesn't make it true. I can call the country I'm going to start the Great and Awesome Democratic States of Crazy, but it'll still be a brutal dictatorship where anyone who doesn't replace the toilet paper when they use the last of it gets the death penalty.
2012-06-13 09:21:45 AM  
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: GentlemanJ: An intelligent revival of European Nationalism would be one that abandoned antisemitism, embraced Israel as an outpost of European culture in the Middle East, and encouraged the Israelis to expel all Palestinians and otherwise embrace strict nationalist policies

So, abandon anti-semitism and adopt anti-muhammadanism.

Got it.


...never did quite understand why the abandonment of one bad thing has to mean the adoption of something no better, but okay.

Shiny!


in a fascist ideology, you need a black sheep to put all the blame on.
In nazi-ideology, the jews where called both comunist and capitalist pigs.
I still wonder why they were so dedicaced to eradicate the jews, because if they had succeded, they woul have run out of people to blame for everything.
I'm just to logical to ever be a good nazi.
2012-06-13 09:21:26 AM  
1 votes:

Crewmannumber6: timujin: "Far from the dangers"? 25 miles is "far"?.

I'm 25 miles from Over The Rhine in Cincinnati and might as well be on another planet.


over the rhine is the best ghettotastic place in ohio.

The weirdest part about that area: it should be the most expensive place in cinncinnati. Its right next to downtown, the architecture of many of the old buildings is super cool, totally walkable neighborhoods... its shameful that ohio let it go to pieces.

Then again, most of ohio is in pieces. Of the whole Cinci Dayton Columbus triangle, seems like that aside from "German Village" in Cinci, most of the cities are in terrible shape and everzone just lives in the soulless burbs, driving between bob evans and wendys.

And yes, I love making fun of the place because im so glad I don't have to go there anymore.

Are there any ideas to resurrect over the rhine, or is everyone just waiting for the place to totally implode, raze it, and turn it into more wendys and bob evanses? Actually wait... itll be new, so instead of wendys and bob evanses itll be Panera and chipotle.
2012-06-13 09:09:02 AM  
1 votes:

archichris: hitlersbrain: AverageAmericanGuy: hitlersbrain: Cid_Highwind: So, what exactly about the Nazis was particlarly right or left wing?

Fear as the primary means of political control: - Right. (if you dont elect _____ another black chirch is going to burn)

The excessive use of force against it's own people: - Right. (Ruby Ridge, Waco, TSA, and The government has become much more violent against its citizens under Obama, etc....)

Crippling the many to hold up the elite few: - Right (This isnt right or left, both sides politicians live in a protected class, but under Obama the Public Sector has seen its pay grow much faster than other sectors, and we are all currently in debt paying off their massive pensions)

Setting people against each other with racist, sexist hate speech: - Right (so like 5% of the right does this and is excoriated by the other 95%, but for the left this is SOP, and is a primary feature of every political campaign through race baiting, gay baiting, etc.....)

Huh. Who would have known Communist North Korea was so right wing?

Yes, because if Communist is in their name, they are left wing. You can name yourself 'genius guy' but you'd still be stupid. Oh yeah...

Routinely use double think style lies to confuse people:- Right

Sadly none of those things is a 'right' kind of thing. Right is aligned with conservative, which is an anti government or small government kind of thing. In america. It is also pathetically easy to cite examples for each bullet point you make of Left wing administrations and politicians doing exactly those things. (in fact i have gone back and done so)

You have to remember that in Europe their 'hard right' is:

"Seven months have passed since it emerged that German authorities had for years been unaware of the existence of a far-right terrorist cell calling itself the "National Socialist Underground" (NSU) that murdered 10 people, most of them Turkish immigrants, in a nationwide killing spree that went on from 2000 until 200 ...


The right is not anti government. It's anti populace. They love a huge military and powerful police force and rules assuring the safety of their assets. What they are against are 'social' programs for real people.

True socialist and liberal people believe first and foremost in empowering the masses, the real people. Right wing (fascist) people believe that the masses need to be ruled with an iron fist and should behave like little marionettes on the ends of strings.

Right -> A few powerful rule with iron fists; conformity or death (tradition, harsh religion/morality). Fear is everything.

Left -> The average person has a say in government. The law serves everyone equally. The government's primary job is to look after all it's people. Enlightenment over fear.

Names don't mean shiat. A bunch of wackos can call themselves anything and they're still just wackos. Was the Soviet Union a republic? Hell no.
2012-06-13 09:08:13 AM  
1 votes:

evilbryan: Hey, the Nazi's might have been dicks but they did have nice suits.


They've got skulls on them.
2012-06-13 09:07:54 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Whenever you see "People's" paired with "Democratic", it's the *OPPOSITE* of a democracy.


Dictators are people too.

In related news, I've moved my plant's production to the small country of Homemade so I can put "from Homemade" on the box!
2012-06-13 09:05:31 AM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: AverageAmericanGuy: hitlersbrain: Cid_Highwind: So, what exactly about the Nazis was particlarly right or left wing?

Fear as the primary means of political control: - Right.

The excessive use of force against it's own people: - Right.

Crippling the many to hold up the elite few: - Right

Setting people against each other with racist, sexist hate speech: - Right

Huh. Who would have known Communist North Korea was so right wing?

They're a democracy, you fool. Says so right in the name.


Ah, but it also has the negatory "People's" in it. Whenever you see "People's" paired with "Democratic", it's the *OPPOSITE* of a democracy. Think of it like a double positive equaling a negative.
2012-06-13 09:05:18 AM  
1 votes:

EyeHateOnlineIdiots: HotWingConspiracy

Smartest
Funniest
2012-06-13 08:59:11 AM
EyeHateOnlineIdiots: remember, Big Money says you are a neo nazi if you fight to keep out Big Money's imported cheap third world labor.

Remember, Big Money is watching you!

It's not racist if you do it for jobs, right?

=======================

remember, kids, it's all about how racist the whites are, and not about jobs or wages or cheap labor. Remember that, kids!


Who said anything about white people? Racist.
2012-06-13 09:04:04 AM  
1 votes:

Father_Jack: I appreciate how closely the germans and the german press keep their eyes on this topic, and it is depressing how much of a persistent problem its been, and has been for 20 years or so now since reunification. But its hardly anything to get super worked up over. The germans aren't going to revert to naziism again anymore than the south of the US will rise again.


The US is going on 150 years of dealing with that. 20 is nothing.
2012-06-13 09:00:18 AM  
1 votes:

archichris: Right is aligned with conservative, which is an anti government or small government kind of thing.


LOL
2012-06-13 08:59:15 AM  
1 votes:

Gothnet: dittybopper: Are we sure this is about Germany? Because I've been led to believe that all Europeans are suave and svelte.

The german diet consists mainly of vast quantities of pork and potatoes, especially in the more traditional areas, IIRC.


And beer. In big glasses
languagerocket.com
2012-06-13 08:56:13 AM  
1 votes:
remember, Big Money says you are a neo nazi if you fight to keep out Big Money's imported cheap third world labor.

Remember, Big Money is watching you!
2012-06-13 08:48:07 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: SkunkWerks: SkunkWerks: None of these ideologies have a particularly good record on spotting it when it's happening or preventing it, either.

In fact, it's almost as if all of these different political viewpoints have some critical, fundamental thing in common...

Wonder what it could be?

The letter 't'?


Now if we can only figure out what number this is brought to us by we could have a Sesame Street Coda here.
2012-06-13 08:47:27 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: hitlersbrain: Cid_Highwind: So, what exactly about the Nazis was particlarly right or left wing?

Fear as the primary means of political control: - Right.

The excessive use of force against it's own people: - Right.

Crippling the many to hold up the elite few: - Right

Setting people against each other with racist, sexist hate speech: - Right

Huh. Who would have known Communist North Korea was so right wing?


Yes, because if Communist is in their name, they are left wing. You can name yourself 'genius guy' but you'd still be stupid. Oh yeah...

Routinely use double think style lies to confuse people:- Right
2012-06-13 08:40:45 AM  
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: SkunkWerks: None of these ideologies have a particularly good record on spotting it when it's happening or preventing it, either.

In fact, it's almost as if all of these different political viewpoints have some critical, fundamental thing in common...

Wonder what it could be?


The letter 't'?
2012-06-13 08:37:38 AM  
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: None of these ideologies have a particularly good record on spotting it when it's happening or preventing it, either.


In fact, it's almost as if all of these different political viewpoints have some critical, fundamental thing in common...

Wonder what it could be?
2012-06-13 08:29:43 AM  
1 votes:
Totalitarianism in any flavour is pretty nasty.
2012-06-13 08:26:16 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Who would have known Communist North Korea was so right wing?


Everyone, apparently.
2012-06-13 08:25:18 AM  
1 votes:

GentlemanJ: An intelligent revival of European Nationalism would be one that abandoned antisemitism, embraced Israel as an outpost of European culture in the Middle East, and encouraged the Israelis to expel all Palestinians and otherwise embrace strict nationalist policies


So, abandon anti-semitism and adopt anti-muhammadanism.

Got it.


...never did quite understand why the abandonment of one bad thing has to mean the adoption of something no better, but okay.

Shiny!
2012-06-13 08:23:53 AM  
1 votes:
This isn't all that different from some parts of the United States. The town I grew up in (in central Oklahoma) had an active KKK chapter, as well as a "Sons of the Confederacy" separatist movement. There was heavy crossover between the two groups.
2012-06-13 08:13:15 AM  
1 votes:

GentlemanJ: I am reminded of a talk show I saw on television perhaps thirty years ago. The host had on three different Neo-Nazis. All were all asked what they would do if each came to power. The first one was a skinhead with a "White Power" t-shirt, He said he would send the Jews to Israel and the blacks to Africa. The second, some lunatic wearing what he must have imagined was a homemade stormtrooper uniform, said he would kill the blacks and nuke Israel. The third one was an older man in a charcoal-grey, pinstripe three-piece suit, with a tiny Nazi Party pin on one lapel. He said the first thing he would do would be to kill the other two idiots, because they were an embarrassment to National Socialism.
The host said later that the third man scared him...
Personally, I would expect that any serious revival of National Socialism would include exterminating these criminal imbeciles. The only way for them to maintain order would be to eliminate the crazies in their own ranks.


look up "Röhm-Putsch", you will see this is just what happened back then.
And this stupid neo-nazis obviously fail to understand what it mean for them once the revolution is over.
2012-06-13 08:11:14 AM  
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: but it has to be said that her response to losing an argument wasn't very much different from that of the more Leftish contributors on Fark.


I don't sort out butthurt by political party.

Doesn't seem like a very pointed activity.
2012-06-13 08:03:50 AM  
1 votes:

On-Off: craxyd: Used to go to a club in Meiningen back when I was stationed in Germany. There was most always a pack of 10-15 Nazi skinheads in the place but they didn't bother us Armerican "auslandern" even though they had us outnumbered by as many as 3 to 1 at times. Hell, there was a couple months that I'd be the only American soldier in the place.

By my observation, they maintained an attitude of "Don't start none, won't be none."

no, it's just 3 to 1 isn't enough of a numerical advantage against young fit mens. They aren't that courageous.
By 10 to 1 they might have attacked


Nah I was stationed in Germany too, and I always found the Skins I ran into to be more bark than bite.

/Results may vary
2012-06-13 07:57:21 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: hitlersbrain: Cid_Highwind: So, what exactly about the Nazis was particlarly right or left wing?

Fear as the primary means of political control: - Right.

The excessive use of force against it's own people: - Right.

Crippling the many to hold up the elite few: - Right

Setting people against each other with racist, sexist hate speech: - Right

Huh. Who would have known Communist North Korea was so right wing?


They're a democracy, you fool. Says so right in the name.
2012-06-13 07:51:37 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Are we sure this is about Germany? Because I've been led to believe that all Europeans are suave and svelte.


American tourists.
2012-06-13 07:48:19 AM  
1 votes:

hitlersbrain: Cid_Highwind: So, what exactly about the Nazis was particlarly right or left wing?

Fear as the primary means of political control: - Right.

The excessive use of force against it's own people: - Right.

Crippling the many to hold up the elite few: - Right

Setting people against each other with racist, sexist hate speech: - Right


Huh. Who would have known Communist North Korea was so right wing?
2012-06-13 07:43:48 AM  
1 votes:

Cid_Highwind: So, what exactly about the Nazis was particlarly right or left wing?


Fear as the primary means of political control: - Right.

The excessive use of force against it's own people: - Right.

Crippling the many to hold up the elite few: - Right

Setting people against each other with racist, sexist hate speech: - Right
2012-06-13 07:35:47 AM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Treize26: Corporate Self: Dixie_Wrecked: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".

Come on down here and live for a while and maybe you'll figure it out. Or you can just stay and live in your little snow globe world.

I can tell meth is bad without need to try it.

I've never quite sorted out how someone can reconcile accusing an entire people of bigotry.

I've encountered two people on the left who weren't bigots.


The GOP leadership are not bigots. That would be beneath them. However, since the Right only has one true agenda, make the rich richer, so they don't have a large voting base (1%). So, they pander to the self hating religious zealots, the xenophobic rednecks, the senile who hate the world because their brains are rotting and all manner of racists and bigots.

In a similar way, the Left puts up with things like zionism and pedophile hollywood rapists because they are short on cash.
2012-06-13 07:23:02 AM  
1 votes:
Hate, fear & death to outsiders... for the love of god and country. That sounds like a red state to me. I hear they even have a lot of nazis in them (but their houses are not as nice as those in Germany).
2012-06-13 07:13:24 AM  
1 votes:
It was a great article, but I had no idea something like that could potentially stir up so many loathsome apologist scum trolls from under the rotting log.
2012-06-13 06:12:44 AM  
1 votes:

Sword and Shield: Uh, the USA isn't a democracy. Nice thought, though.


Wrong. The United States is a democratic republic. It is basic grade school civics and I find it amazing how many grown adults are ignorant of that fact. Since the U.S. doesn't have a monarch it is a republic and since the U.S. has elections it is a democracy. Thus the United States is a democratic republic.

Of course the way states like Florida are trying to disenfranchise voters, the U.S.A. could very well be on a path to losing its democracy part and it isn't "hardcore leftists" doing it, it is mainstream Republicans.
2012-06-13 05:55:17 AM  
1 votes:
Speaking of Nazis:
angryflower.com

/too many "Nazi's" in this thread
2012-06-13 04:53:13 AM  
1 votes:

Msphere: EvilRacistNaziFascist:

So was Jefferson a stupid man?

2012-06-13 04:50:14 AM  
1 votes:
"I don't think any serious and honest person could claim that a larger segment of the media (writ large) leans left than leans right"

Ugh...read "could claim" as "could deny." Why am I so tired?
2012-06-13 04:39:05 AM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Nazis took guns away from the people, who in the US wants to take guns away from us?
Nazis loved their man-on-man sex, who in the US loves man-on-man sex?
Nazis hated churches, who in the US hates churches?
Nazis hated the Jews, who in the US also demonizes Jews.
I wouldn't call them Nazis, but I do call them progressives.



Poe's Law is particularly confounding in threads like this... there's nothing too crazy to be genuine, given all the nuts that drop out of the woodwork on such occasions.
2012-06-13 04:15:05 AM  
1 votes:
In Pic 3 I saw the gas price and was like "Dang!!! 1.46 for Gas!" But then I realized "Oh wait, that's probably per liter, so like 5.50/gal" Guess I shouldn't be too pissed about the $4.09/gal I paid yesterday. (Except they can ride their bike everywhere and I can't)
2012-06-13 03:59:15 AM  
1 votes:
An intelligent revival of European Nationalism would be one that abandoned antisemitism, embraced Israel as an outpost of European culture in the Middle East, and encouraged the Israelis to expel all Palestinians and otherwise embrace strict nationalist policies.

As for racial policies, a strong encouragement to those of Western European blood to have a lot of children, via things like girl volunteers to babysit, Mothers' Medals, and serious tax breaks. Also, teaching a positive pride in European ancestry and history, as well as each country's nationalist party being on friendly terms with the others' ones, but never blurring national distinctions. Absolute abandonment of the EU and the Euro. While no overt persecution of foreigners should occur, each nation would stop most immigration and encourage repatriation.

Complete emphasis on boosting technology, futuristic planning (space travel, etc.) as a means of giving people a sense of mythic purpose...I am really surprised no nationalist party in Europe seems to have thought of this. And, oh yes...the Neo-Nazis disappear. The unions become national labor fronts. The armies become smaller and more efficient with special forces emphasized. I could go on.
Note that I am not in favor of these things, generally, but if I wanted to revive nationalism in Europe, that would assuredly be my agenda.
2012-06-13 03:44:57 AM  
1 votes:
Nazi Apologist Thread!!

/hey, look at all these new people I've never seen before!
//at least it's an ethos...
2012-06-13 03:41:00 AM  
1 votes:
Hey, the Nazi's might have been dicks but they did have nice suits.
2012-06-13 03:14:31 AM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: "You shiat foreigner, we'll get you. If you don't get out of here, we'll kill you."

"Leftists have names, leftists have addresses. Let's march and show our strength."

Now where does rhetoric like this sound familiar from?

And you know what? Why not.

Send Wallraff to Africa!"

I wonder where I've heard plans to kick all African immigrants out of a country recently from...


Right. Because a governent repatriating illegal immigrants, like any other nation does, is just the same as as violent mobs harassing and attacking legal residents. Does it ever occur to you that if you have to resort to such intellectual dishonesty, your core ideas may need some reexamination?
2012-06-13 03:12:39 AM  
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: SmitetheRighteous: Probably the most amusing and disturbing aspect of the last couple of years is Tea Partiers calling Democrats and various liberally-inclined folks "Nazis" when back on Planet Reality, National Socialism is nothing but a right-wing movement.

Of course realizing that for some morans would require increasing their wordiness by orders of magnitude.

Eh, as a right-winger I would agree that there's no point in calling leftists "Nazis" when the fact remains that leftists have historically killed far more people than the Nazis ever did (about 80 million vs. 12 million, respectively).


I'm not sure why "number of deaths caused by..." is somehow the barometer for measuring the "your belief system blows because..." claptrap. That's arguing worthy of 5th graders sitting on the jungle gym.

If you want to go down that route, you better be prepared to take it to the limit.

Number of deaths caused by Genghis Khan during the expansion of the Mongolian Empire (was he an anti-colonialist, Kenyan, socialist libtard too?)

Number of deaths caused by the Taiping Rebellion(The leader of that bunch thought he was Jesus's brother. 20 million is the best estimate for the number of lives lost in that debacle)

The number of deaths in the wars to unify China under the Han dynasty

Number of deaths caused in the New World through the actions of Spain and the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church in general

The Armenian Genocide

The Napoleonic Wars.

The slave trade. African colonization.

The spread of Islam.

The Crusades.

Expansion of the Roman Empire

Pretty much all of Japanese history

Anything related to ethnic cleansing

Shall we assign political parties to this whole bunch or should we acknowledge the simple truth that life has always been cheap and expendable throughout human history.
2012-06-13 03:08:11 AM  
1 votes:

Ghastly: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Is it just me, or do the guns they captured last year appear to be pretty farked up?

/some of them look inoperable to me

Probably a buried cache by some idiot who had absolutely no idea how you actually bury a cache of weapons.


Yes. Can smell the rust from here. That one on top *might * have been oiled and cleaned since my last child was born.
2012-06-13 02:45:43 AM  
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: The statement on page 5 of the slideshow is interesting: "National socialism can't be elected or begged for. It can only be achieved through the path of revolution." Take away the word "national" and you're left with a remark that anyone on the hard Left -- including those types overrepresented in movements like Occupy Wall Street -- would be proud to stand by.

This is more proof, as if any were needed, that both fascism and communism -- the latter of which frequently calls itself socialism, as in the acronym "USSR" -- are equally inimical to free societies; but in North America we don't have to worry about tiny fringes of neo-Nazis nearly as much as we do about hardcore leftists yearning to make a final end-run around democracy (i.e. because the brainwashed "masses" keep voting for the wrong parties like Republicans, Conservatives, etc.)


Regarding the first paragraph: your argument is pretty much tautological. Of course someone who identifies as "hard left" would support that statement. But I don't see a lot of evidence that this is any more or less prevalent than any similar statements made by the other end of the political spectrum. Nor, in fact, that such hard lefties (overrepped in OWS or no) are endangering the fabric of society in any meaningful way. My point being, of course, that there are nut jobs at both extremes.

Nor have I seen much evidence that any "harcore leftists" are making any headway at all in your feared "final end-run around democracy."

So it's not that I am trying to refute your arguments...you have your political opinions that I disagree with but respect nonetheless...but I also don't see that they amount to anything to worry about, at all.
2012-06-13 02:44:12 AM  
1 votes:

YouBWrong: American militia guys scare me a LOT more than these dumbasses.


Of all the many thousands of people murdered every year in the US, how many are the victims of militias?
2012-06-13 02:31:30 AM  
1 votes:
Probably the most amusing and disturbing aspect of the last couple of years is Tea Partiers calling Democrats and various liberally-inclined folks "Nazis" when back on Planet Reality, National Socialism is nothing but a right-wing movement.

Of course realizing that for some morans would require increasing their wordiness by orders of magnitude.
2012-06-13 02:22:14 AM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Treize26: Corporate Self: Dixie_Wrecked: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South".

Come on down here and live for a while and maybe you'll figure it out. Or you can just stay and live in your little snow globe world.

I can tell meth is bad without need to try it.

I've never quite sorted out how someone can reconcile accusing an entire people of bigotry.

I think stupidity plays a big role


And forming one's opinion based on TV and the movies. They never show southern brain surgeons or Shakespearean actors, only toothless hayseeds.
2012-06-13 02:16:09 AM  
1 votes:
FTA: He works to support the zoo, and together with others from his party organizes soccer tournaments and camps where kids can hike around the countryside in military uniforms.

An animal lover who promotes health and athletisism as well as an organized youth movement.

I see no parallel to anything.
2012-06-13 02:09:57 AM  
1 votes:
They should move to Washington D.C. They'd blend in so well, nobody would notice them.
2012-06-13 01:46:06 AM  
1 votes:

Dixie_Wrecked: np. I'm just a little grumpy that I didn't get my whiskey tonight.


it's not too late...
2012-06-13 01:38:09 AM  
1 votes:
I am reminded of a talk show I saw on television perhaps thirty years ago. The host had on three different Neo-Nazis. All were all asked what they would do if each came to power. The first one was a skinhead with a "White Power" t-shirt, He said he would send the Jews to Israel and the blacks to Africa. The second, some lunatic wearing what he must have imagined was a homemade stormtrooper uniform, said he would kill the blacks and nuke Israel. The third one was an older man in a charcoal-grey, pinstripe three-piece suit, with a tiny Nazi Party pin on one lapel. He said the first thing he would do would be to kill the other two idiots, because they were an embarrassment to National Socialism.
The host said later that the third man scared him...
Personally, I would expect that any serious revival of National Socialism would include exterminating these criminal imbeciles. The only way for them to maintain order would be to eliminate the crazies in their own ranks.
2012-06-13 01:20:37 AM  
1 votes:

timujin: She and her husband moved to Geithain 19 years ago. They had lived in Leipzig, some 40 kilometers away, but had wanted their children to grow up in a safer environment, away from criminality and drugs, far from the dangers of the big city.

"Far from the dangers"? 25 miles is "far"?.


Europe: 100 miles is a very long distance.
America: 100 years is a very long time.
2012-06-13 01:05:10 AM  
1 votes:

RanDomino: EvilRacistNaziFascist
The statement on page 5 of the slideshow is interesting: "National socialism can't be elected or begged for. It can only be achieved through the path of revolution." Take away the word "national" and you're left with a remark that anyone on the hard Left -- including those types overrepresented in movements like Occupy Wall Street -- would be proud to stand by.

This- this is some high-quality trolling right here.


I see you are using "trolling" in the classical Farkian sense of meaning "the formulation of an argument that I cannot possibly hope to refute logically, so my only recourse is to ridicule it and to hope it goes away".
2012-06-13 12:52:30 AM  
1 votes:
Anyone Godwin this thread yet?
2012-06-13 12:46:10 AM  
1 votes:
You know who else thrived (throve?) with the Nazis in Germany?
2012-06-13 12:44:47 AM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Yeah, I'm going to have to say Ukraine's twice as bad. And I think there's something going on there right now that involves some ball kickers refusing to be white or something. Someone always has to ruin the fun.


To be fair, the current semi-hysteria in the European press over Ukraine's real or imagined problem with "racism" has very little to do with the ability of that nation or Poland to host the Euro 2012 Championship. After all, South Africa hosted the 2010 World Cup despite the massacre of thousands of white farmers in the post-apartheid era, and yet such a level of racially- motivated violence was not mentioned by these same media outlets at all, despite the fact that in importance it easily eclipsed (for example) the harassment of African students in Kyiv.
2012-06-13 12:39:38 AM  
1 votes:

voodoomedic: Please pardon my ignorance of modern Nazi philosophy, but being a blue-eyed American, would I be subject to harassment/abuse if I lived in this part of Germany? I mean, I'm a foreigner, speak no German, have no German roots, etc
/serious, though meaningless, question


yes, because nazi's are really just nationalists. they hate anyone who isn't them.
2012-06-13 12:38:56 AM  
1 votes:

cc_rider: Benevolent Misanthrope: Corporate Self: In America, we have a term for areas where our backward inbred racist rural simpletons of our society gather ...

We call it "The South" "church".

/alternately, "The GOP"

The Tea Party, even.


Is it wrong that I read that in the voice of snagglepuss?
2012-06-13 12:37:11 AM  
1 votes:
Used to go to a club in Meiningen back when I was stationed in Germany. There was most always a pack of 10-15 Nazi skinheads in the place but they didn't bother us Armerican "auslandern" even though they had us outnumbered by as many as 3 to 1 at times. Hell, there was a couple months that I'd be the only American soldier in the place.

By my observation, they maintained an attitude of "Don't start none, won't be none."
2012-06-13 12:33:54 AM  
1 votes:

12349876: timujin: She and her husband moved to Geithain 19 years ago. They had lived in Leipzig, some 40 kilometers away, but had wanted their children to grow up in a safer environment, away from criminality and drugs, far from the dangers of the big city.

"Far from the dangers"? 25 miles is "far"?.

That's Harlem to Connecticut.

That's South Side of Chicago to Evanston.

That's Compton to Beverly Hills.


I was born in Chicago. Raised in the city streets. My Momma gave me the basic facts of life.
2012-06-13 12:30:08 AM  
1 votes:
Please pardon my ignorance of modern Nazi philosophy, but being a blue-eyed American, would I be subject to harassment/abuse if I lived in this part of Germany? I mean, I'm a foreigner, speak no German, have no German roots, etc
/serious, though meaningless, question
2012-06-13 12:25:24 AM  
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: Hey, we still have troops stationed in Germany. Can't we do a little Dresden re-enactment thing on these punks?


Eat shiat and die, motherfarker.
2012-06-13 12:21:32 AM  
1 votes:
farm3.staticflickr.com
2012-06-13 12:20:05 AM  
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Is it just me, or do the guns they captured last year appear to be pretty farked up?

/some of them look inoperable to me


Probably a buried cache by some idiot who had absolutely no idea how you actually bury a cache of weapons.
 
Displayed 129 of 129 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report