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(Deadspin)   The Thunder are a matchup nightmare for copy editors. So is the Heat   (deadspin.com) divider line 28
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2012-06-12 06:53:23 PM  
Correction, subby. The Thunder is a matchup nightmare for copy editors. So are the Heat(s)
 
2012-06-12 06:55:58 PM  
one more reason it would be better if they were still the seattle supersonics.

/plural, how does it work?
 
2012-06-12 06:56:45 PM  
That writer are a jerkoff.
 
2012-06-12 07:08:05 PM  
I'm a copy editor, so I'm not getting a kick out of this NBA Finals matchup. Another reason to root for the meteor.
 
2012-06-12 07:12:50 PM  

CornFedIowan: I are a copy editor, so I'm not getting a kick out of these NBA Finals matchup. Another reason to root for the meteor.


FTFY
 
2012-06-12 07:15:21 PM  
It's a team name. Anyone that thinks the Thunder or Heat are singular when referring to the NBA teams needs to be smacked upside the head with a cheese grater.

/Thunder are going to win the series, but the Heat are probably going to win a couple games
 
2012-06-12 07:28:13 PM  
As a laid-off copy editor, is it nutty to say I'm glad I don't have to deal with this shiat on a daily basis?

/Not working still sucks.
 
2012-06-12 07:36:03 PM  
Nightmare? Not so much. The Associated Press Style Book entry on team names takes care of this. Changing the style for three-pointer to 3-pointer? Now that was a pain in the ass.
 
2012-06-12 07:37:27 PM  
I thought all the copy editors were laid off anyway.
 
2012-06-12 07:38:07 PM  

Horatio's Sunglasses: Nightmare? Not so much. The Associated Press Style Book entry on team names takes care of this. Changing the style for three-pointer to 3-pointer? Now that was a pain in the ass.


Just because the AP Stylebook says something doesn't mean it's in the interest of best communicative practice. For example, the rules about punctuation in headlines. Many AP rules are arbitrary and only exist because that's how it's always been done.
 
2012-06-12 08:00:52 PM  

bubbaprog: Many AP rules are arbitrary and only exist because that's how it's its always been done.


/pet peave
 
2012-06-12 08:16:04 PM  
this thread has potential
 
2012-06-12 08:27:42 PM  

moistD: this thread has have potential


FTFY
 
2012-06-12 08:32:06 PM  

johnnylarue: I thought all the copy editors were laid off anyway.


Getting there.
 
2012-06-12 08:55:54 PM  
Off the top of my head:

1) mass nouns are usually singular (this is common knowledge). Because...

2) most style guides recommend that institutions are singular (Congress is meeting), and

3) all inanimate mass nouns are singular (bacon is good), so this leaves

4) animate nouns, which are often plural in British English (Oxford are in first place) and either plural or singular in American English. So take your pick.

THAT being said, if most other teams are plural (Bulls, Lakers, etc.), then given the choice I would simply use the plural verb for consistency (Heat are, etc.).

/$0.02
 
2012-06-12 09:03:51 PM  
Write around it, unless you is retarded.
 
2012-06-12 09:08:50 PM  
The Thunder is an athletic business organization. The Heat is an athletic business organization.

The (players employed by and affiliated with the) Heat are individuals, plural, and the same goes for the Thunder.

When referring to the overall organization, including management, each team is singular (The OKC Thunder has vacation policies). When referring to just the players, each team is collective plural, like sheep (The Thunder have practice today).
 
2012-06-12 09:21:52 PM  
Well look at the big brain on HotWing.
 
2012-06-12 09:51:52 PM  

Cheesus: It's a team name. Anyone that thinks the Thunder or Heat are singular when referring to the NBA teams needs to be smacked upside the head with a cheese grater.

/Thunder are going to win the series, but the Heat are probably going to win a couple games


The Thunder is more than one team?
 
2012-06-12 10:20:40 PM  
My most-watched pro team decided to drive the local copy-editors crazier, going with a bare gerund ('Sporting'). You can tell which writers are actively trying to write around that.
 
2012-06-12 11:39:24 PM  

HotWingAgenda: The Thunder is an athletic business organization. The Heat is an athletic business organization.

The (players employed by and affiliated with the) Heat are individuals, plural, and the same goes for the Thunder.

When referring to the overall organization, including management, each team is singular (The OKC Thunder has vacation policies). When referring to just the players, each team is collective plural, like sheep (The Thunder have practice today).


Good Answer! Good Answer!

/r.i.p. richard dawson
 
2012-06-13 12:15:17 AM  
They could've made it easier on all of us and kept the Sonics name. Sonic is based in OKC.
 
2012-06-13 12:29:49 AM  
I've always found it interesting that we say:

"Miami plays in the Eastern Conference"

but we say:

"The (Miami) Heat play in the Eastern Conference"

And just kinda assumed that team names should always be treated as plurals. And the first sentence in my example is just technically incorrect, as in, you should never refer to a team by just their city name.
 
2012-06-13 01:53:48 AM  

Slow To Return: And just kinda assumed that team names should always be treated as plurals.


Quite right. The Heat refers to the group of people employed by that basketball organization. The Irish refers to the group of people of Irish origin/ancestry.

You wouldn't say "the Irish is drinking the town dry", so don't say "the Heat has no good roleplayers outside the big three".
 
2012-06-13 01:58:38 AM  
How is babby formed?
 
2012-06-13 08:16:00 AM  

gwowen: Slow To Return: And just kinda assumed that team names should always be treated as plurals.

Quite right. The Heat refers to the group of people employed by that basketball organization. The Irish refers to the group of people of Irish origin/ancestry.

You wouldn't say "the Irish is drinking the town dry", so don't say "the Heat has no good roleplayers outside the big three".


The difference is that when you're talking about "the Irish" in your example, you're talking about a group of people. When you're talking about "the Heat", you're talking about a single entity.

Do you say "General Motors are a company based in Detroit" or "General Motors is a company based in Detroit"? A company is a group of people, too. Do you say "The Catholic Church is based in the Vatican" or "The Catholic Church are based in the Vatican"?
 
2012-06-13 10:03:36 AM  
Actually, sports teams in North America are just about always treated as a collective. Just because Miami has a stupid nickname does not change this. We don't say "The New York Yankees is a baseball team". The Yankees are a baseball team. "The Miami Heat is a basketball team" is likewise stupid. The Heat are a basketball team.

Oklahoma City is; the Thunder are.

The notable exception is MLS, which due to its massive inferiority complex has several teams using ridiculous European style names that are often referred to in the singular. Manchester United is.... DC United is... But the Colorado Rapids are.
 
2012-06-13 12:23:47 PM  

dugitman: bubbaprog: Many AP rules are arbitrary and only exist because that's how it's its always been done.

/pet peave


I think you're joking, since you misspelled peeve, but I'm not 100% sure.
 
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