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2012-06-12 09:42:23 PM

Sabyen91: Farker Soze: Sabyen91: 12349876: Sabyen91: dennysgod: Man didn't descend from apes, we share a common ancestor, but didn't come directly from apes, if you're going to try to mock or disprove evolution at least have a basic understanding on how it works.

If we descended from monkeys why are there still monkeys?

Because they can still survive.

Nu uh. If we descended from monkeys...missing link! Gaps in fossil records!

Every time we find a missing link, two more appear.

...wait for it

Kind of like your mom's genital warts.

Burn!

The cream is working nicely, thank you very much.


Rich Cream: We get it. He's black!


Wow, that was unfortunate timing.
 
2012-06-12 09:42:37 PM

Sabyen91: If we descended from monkeys why are there still monkeys?


If I descended from my parents, why do I have siblings?

/roughly the same logic.
 
2012-06-12 09:43:05 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Kredal: Chimps have been to space too, your argument is invalid.

Dogs made it first. Therefore Dogs are superior to humans.


I think we knew that before the space thing.
 
2012-06-12 09:44:36 PM

nmrsnr: Minus1Kelvin: Religion really is gonna kill us all, ain't it?

The funny part is that the human instinct that created religion, the need to explain and control natural phenomena and the assumption that the Universe isn't random, is the same as that which lead to science. The only difference is that when religion stopped working as a predictive and useful theory, people refused to reject and replace it.


i950.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-12 09:45:03 PM

Sabyen91: Sabyen91: Farker Soze: Sabyen91: 12349876: Sabyen91: dennysgod: Man didn't descend from apes, we share a common ancestor, but didn't come directly from apes, if you're going to try to mock or disprove evolution at least have a basic understanding on how it works.

If we descended from monkeys why are there still monkeys?

Because they can still survive.

Nu uh. If we descended from monkeys...missing link! Gaps in fossil records!

Every time we find a missing link, two more appear.

...wait for it

Kind of like your mom's genital warts.

Burn!

The cream is working nicely, thank you very much.

Rich Cream: We get it. He's black!

Wow, that was unfortunate timing.


I try to work nicely....
 
2012-06-12 09:45:36 PM
Eh most of the people who "believe" in evolution basically treat it like magic anyways, so I'm about ready to give up on attempting to get people to understand science.
 
2012-06-12 09:47:29 PM

Sabyen91: The cream is working nicely, thank you very much.


Rich Cream: We get it. He's black!

That did not just randomly happen. It must have been intelligently designed.
 
2012-06-12 09:49:02 PM

nmrsnr: Sabyen91: If we descended from monkeys why are there still monkeys?

If I descended from my parents, why do I have siblings?

/roughly the same logic.


If your siblings were monkeys you would have a point. I get it but the person that would make this argument would probably not understand the difference in your and your siblings' DNA and how different your kids' and your siblings kids' differ and what that means over a hundred generations. What is more someone who made that argument has probably been schooled on it in 1000 Fark threads previously.
 
2012-06-12 09:50:14 PM

Farker Soze: Sabyen91: The cream is working nicely, thank you very much.

Rich Cream: We get it. He's black!

That did not just randomly happen. It must have been intelligently designed.


Why do you forsake me God!
 
2012-06-12 09:50:25 PM
Coming from a website that consists entirely of humans flinging poo...
 
2012-06-12 09:52:21 PM

Farker Soze: Sabyen91: The cream is working nicely, thank you very much.

Rich Cream: We get it. He's black!

That did not just randomly happen. It must have been intelligently designed.



I did feel a compulsion of sorts...
 
2012-06-12 09:53:00 PM

gas giant: Coming from a website that consists entirely of humans flinging poo...


We have fully opposable thumbs.
 
2012-06-12 09:57:51 PM

nmrsnr: Sabyen91: If we descended from monkeys why are there still monkeys?

If I descended from my parents, why do I have siblings?

/roughly the same logic.


Actually, the same logic would be "If I descended from my cousins, then why do I still have cousins." That is directly analogous, and it clearly illustrates the absurdity of the "If we descended from monkeys..." argument.

eraser8: Where the hell are the creationists?

Is there a meeting tonight keeping them from being here?


Do you REALLY want them here? I mean, couldn't you just save time by banging your head into the wall as hard as you can for about 10 minutes? It has roughly the same effect as arguing with creationists... :-/
 
2012-06-12 09:59:06 PM
I don't know Republicans are typically smart when it comes to sciencey stuff, that an economics.

/Vote Republican
 
2012-06-12 09:59:07 PM

I_C_Weener: Quick! Someone photoshop an alien Homer Simpson saying, "Mmmm bacon".


Better yet:

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-12 09:59:28 PM
TRy to keep in mind- we did not evolve from ape but rather, we and our ape cousins evolved from some similar predecessor. Like the Neanderthal, modern man may have peaked out in his evolution as we now have gotten to the point where we have retarded furter evolution by altering our environmentto meet our needs rather than altering ourselves to meet the requirements of our environment. That's not to say any one of us may be the forebearer of future species.

If life's purpose is, indeed to overcome and survive, we're in deep poo. We've stagnated ourselves, defeated our own programming and therefore destined for the finite.
 
2012-06-12 10:02:09 PM

Mugato: Even morons who are Bible literalists believe in evolution. If you believe in something as ridiculous as the Noah's Ark story you believe that Noah gathered each "type" of animal. Meaning one type of dog, one type of lizard, etc. The mechanism under which each type turned out different animals such as coyote & beagle, iguana & alligator would be...wait for it....evolution.


And a hell of a lot *faster* evolution than anything any Godless Heathen scientist ever proposed.
 
2012-06-12 10:02:21 PM

clowncar on fire: TRy to keep in mind- we did not evolve from ape but rather, we and our ape cousins evolved from some similar predecessor. Like the Neanderthal, modern man may have peaked out in his evolution as we now have gotten to the point where we have retarded furter evolution by altering our environmentto meet our needs rather than altering ourselves to meet the requirements of our environment. That's not to say any one of us may be the forebearer of future species.

If life's purpose is, indeed to overcome and survive, we're in deep poo. We've stagnated ourselves, defeated our own programming and therefore destined for the finite.


I like beer.
 
2012-06-12 10:03:08 PM

mamoru: nmrsnr: Sabyen91: If we descended from monkeys why are there still monkeys?

If I descended from my parents, why do I have siblings?

/roughly the same logic.

Actually, the same logic would be "If I descended from my cousins, then why do I still have cousins." That is directly analogous, and it clearly illustrates the absurdity of the "If we descended from monkeys..." argument.

eraser8: Where the hell are the creationists?

Is there a meeting tonight keeping them from being here?

Do you REALLY want them here? I mean, couldn't you just save time by banging your head into the wall as hard as you can for about 10 minutes? It has roughly the same effect as arguing with creationists... :-/


Creationist here- God gave the breath of life- where it will go from there is anybody's guess. Obviously a Darwinist as well
 
2012-06-12 10:04:04 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: clowncar on fire: TRy to keep in mind- we did not evolve from ape but rather, we and our ape cousins evolved from some similar predecessor. Like the Neanderthal, modern man may have peaked out in his evolution as we now have gotten to the point where we have retarded furter evolution by altering our environmentto meet our needs rather than altering ourselves to meet the requirements of our environment. That's not to say any one of us may be the forebearer of future species.

If life's purpose is, indeed to overcome and survive, we're in deep poo. We've stagnated ourselves, defeated our own programming and therefore destined for the finite.

I like cheap beer.

FTFY
 
2012-06-12 10:04:55 PM

nmrsnr: ... the human instinct that created religion...


Not necessarily, at least in broad terms. Religion is an organized, regulated superstition that seems to have roots in our animal nature.

B.F. Skinner: superstition in the pigeon

One of Skinner's experiments examined the formation of superstition in one of his favorite experimental animals, the pigeon. Skinner placed a series of hungry pigeons in a cage attached to an automatic mechanism that delivered food to the pigeon "at regular intervals with no reference whatsoever to the bird's behavior." He discovered that the pigeons associated the delivery of the food with whatever chance actions they had been performing as it was delivered, and that they subsequently continued to perform these same actions.[48]

One bird was conditioned to turn counter-clockwise about the cage, making two or three turns between reinforcements. Another repeatedly thrust its head into one of the upper corners of the cage. A third developed a 'tossing' response, as if placing its head beneath an invisible bar and lifting it repeatedly. Two birds developed a pendulum motion of the head and body, in which the head was extended forward and swung from right to left with a sharp movement followed by a somewhat slower return.
[49][50]
 
2012-06-12 10:04:59 PM

clowncar on fire: mamoru: nmrsnr: Sabyen91: If we descended from monkeys why are there still monkeys?

If I descended from my parents, why do I have siblings?

/roughly the same logic.

Actually, the same logic would be "If I descended from my cousins, then why do I still have cousins." That is directly analogous, and it clearly illustrates the absurdity of the "If we descended from monkeys..." argument.

eraser8: Where the hell are the creationists?

Is there a meeting tonight keeping them from being here?

Do you REALLY want them here? I mean, couldn't you just save time by banging your head into the wall as hard as you can for about 10 minutes? It has roughly the same effect as arguing with creationists... :-/

Creationist here- God gave the breath of life- where it will go from there is anybody's guess. Obviously a Darwinist as well


Did God give the breath of life to Adam and Eve or a single-celled organism?
 
2012-06-12 10:07:54 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Dogs made it first. Therefore Dogs are superior to humans.


Dogs were first to orbit, but according to Wikipedia a monkey named Albert II beat them into space.
 
2012-06-12 10:08:54 PM

nmrsnr: Minus1Kelvin: Religion really is gonna kill us all, ain't it?

The funny part is that the human instinct that created religion, the need to explain and control natural phenomena and the assumption that the Universe isn't random, is the same as that which lead to science. The only difference is that when religion stopped working as a predictive and useful theory, people refused to reject and replace it.


As long as we're mortal there will be religion. Few people can wrap their heads around and accept the notion of permanent oblivion after death. And then there's the eternal question of how existence began, which may never be answered. I agree that the same innate human hunger for knowledge that drives science also drives religion, but for now at least science is ill-equipped to answer the most fundamental questions humans have been asking themselves for millenia, So religion isn't going anywhere.
 
2012-06-12 10:09:06 PM

Sabyen91: clowncar on fire: mamoru: nmrsnr: Sabyen91: If we descended from monkeys why are there still monkeys?

If I descended from my parents, why do I have siblings?

/roughly the same logic.

Actually, the same logic would be "If I descended from my cousins, then why do I still have cousins." That is directly analogous, and it clearly illustrates the absurdity of the "If we descended from monkeys..." argument.

eraser8: Where the hell are the creationists?

Is there a meeting tonight keeping them from being here?

Do you REALLY want them here? I mean, couldn't you just save time by banging your head into the wall as hard as you can for about 10 minutes? It has roughly the same effect as arguing with creationists... :-/

Creationist here- God gave the breath of life- where it will go from there is anybody's guess. Obviously a Darwinist as well

Did God give the breath of life to Adam and Eve or a single-celled organism?


Adam and Eve is allegorical- a tale of self awareness. A tale of how we discovered we differed from the creatures around us. I was referring to the first single cell.
 
2012-06-12 10:09:20 PM

clowncar on fire: Creationist here- God gave the breath of life


What are you basing that on?

The greatest argument in favor of a god or gods is the need for a designer. But, since evolution by natural selection eliminates that need, why keep a god in the equation? What does a god add?
 
2012-06-12 10:10:19 PM

Ivo Shandor: Darth_Lukecash: Dogs made it first. Therefore Dogs are superior to humans.

Dogs were first to orbit, but according to Wikipedia a monkey named Albert II beat them into space.


Albert 1 didn't fare so well?
 
2012-06-12 10:11:26 PM
Pigs smell bad, they roll in poo
So do kids and elderly
 
2012-06-12 10:11:46 PM

eraser8: clowncar on fire: Creationist here- God gave the breath of life

What are you basing that on?

The greatest argument in favor of a god or gods is the need for a designer. But, since evolution by natural selection eliminates that need, why keep a god in the equation? What does a god add?


Does God need add anything?Aare you that vain? Life is not enough for you?
 
2012-06-12 10:12:59 PM

clowncar on fire: Adam and Eve is allegorical- a tale of self awareness. A tale of how we discovered we differed from the creatures around us. I was referring to the first single cell.


Was that view common before Charles Darwin?
 
2012-06-12 10:13:25 PM

mamoru: Actually, the same logic would be "If I descended from my cousins, then why do I still have cousins." That is directly analogous, and it clearly illustrates the absurdity of the "If we descended from monkeys..." argument.


Except that I didn't descend from my cousins, so that statement doesn't work. I recognized that I wasn't entirely analogous hence the "roughly the same logic" statement. But since I've been called out on it let me explain why I still think my analogy is better.

The fallacy of the "if we descended from monkeys" argument is that they believe that evolution is linear, that one species becomes the next, and that branching is impossible, so if "monkeys" -> "humans" then there should be no more "monkeys."

This logic is false, and is similar to assuming that when parents have children, the parents' offspring can only have one outcome, so that all offspring must be identical, instead of varied, such as (non-identical) siblings.

So really, I should have said "If I descended from my parents, why are there still people who are related to me that aren't identical to me" but that's a bit of a mouthful, and I wanted to be pithy.
 
2012-06-12 10:14:13 PM

Sabyen91: nmrsnr: Sabyen91: If we descended from monkeys why are there still monkeys?

If I descended from my parents, why do I have siblings?

/roughly the same logic.

If your siblings were monkeys you would have a point. I get it but the person that would make this argument would probably not understand the difference in your and your siblings' DNA and how different your kids' and your siblings kids' differ and what that means over a hundred generations. What is more someone who made that argument has probably been schooled on it in 1000 Fark threads previously.


Sigh.

We didn't descend from apes. Both humans and apes descended from a common ancestor. There was much branching and many of the lines died out due to the inability to compete for resources. Not many species stand still evolutionary-speaking. There is always a different up & comer looking to occupy your niche in the environment. Just look how invasive species introduced from one part of the world to another can completely out-compete the local plants and animals. Our mobility has sped-up the 'selection' portion of evolution, but mutation just takes time. I know you are clinging to anything to validate your point of view, but really, if there was a god, why on earth would it want to preserve something so useless and mundane as your consciousness and memories. You just need to come to grips with the sad reality that all you are and all you know will soon be lost forever, like tears in the rain.
 
2012-06-12 10:14:14 PM

eraser8: clowncar on fire: Creationist here- God gave the breath of life

What are you basing that on?

The greatest argument in favor of a god or gods is the need for a designer. But, since evolution by natural selection eliminates that need, why keep a god in the equation? What does a god add?


Without God there would be no Satan/Devil...You want a world without the devil in your heavy metal, no satan in your horror movies?

Add THAT.
 
2012-06-12 10:14:52 PM

Mugato: The mechanism under which each type turned out different animals such as coyote & beagle, iguana & alligator would be...wait for it....evolution.


And at a far, far faster rate of change than any scientist would ever imagine.
 
2012-06-12 10:16:18 PM

madgonad: You just need to come to grips with the sad reality that all you are and all you know will soon be lost forever, like tears in the rain.


www.rhianbowley.com

DUST. WIND. DUDE.
 
2012-06-12 10:16:23 PM

clowncar on fire: eraser8: clowncar on fire: Creationist here- God gave the breath of life

What are you basing that on?

The greatest argument in favor of a god or gods is the need for a designer. But, since evolution by natural selection eliminates that need, why keep a god in the equation? What does a god add?

Does God need add anything?Aare you that vain? Life is not enough for you?


The first living form- niether creationists nor evolutionists have an answer. Can we not, for only once, slip off the chains of fact and science and enjoy a brief moment of magic- be it science or myth?
 
2012-06-12 10:16:36 PM

clowncar on fire: eraser8: clowncar on fire: Creationist here- God gave the breath of life

What are you basing that on?

The greatest argument in favor of a god or gods is the need for a designer. But, since evolution by natural selection eliminates that need, why keep a god in the equation? What does a god add?

Does God need add anything?Aare you that vain? Life is not enough for you?


I'm vain because I don't think the universe was put here for me? I'm vain because I don't think that I'm so exceptional that only "the intervention of a deity" can explain my existence?

I think, perhaps, you don't understand what the word "vain" means.

In any case, my point was that natural selection explains the diversity of life without the need for a god or gods. So, what's the point of adding one to the explanation?
 
2012-06-12 10:17:00 PM
there is not much happening on the book's Amazon tags page.
 
2012-06-12 10:17:10 PM

clowncar on fire: Creationist here- God gave the breath of life- where it will go from there is anybody's guess. Obviously a Darwinist as well


And what, pray tell, is the "breath of life"?

Be specific, please. Because as far as biologists are concerned, there is no natural innate property called "life". You cannot look into a living cell and find some "life" essence or whatever. Life is an arbitrary designation of certain extremely complex chemical systems which in all actuality have no non-arbitrary discrete boundary from similarly complex chemistry called non-life.

Hence the age-old disagreements about whether or not to classify viruses as "life".
 
2012-06-12 10:18:04 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Without God there would be no Satan/Devil...You want a world without the devil in your heavy metal, no satan in your horror movies?


Well, it IS true that all the best bands are affiliated with Satan.

So, I guess I'm a little torn.
 
2012-06-12 10:18:11 PM

madgonad: Sabyen91: nmrsnr: Sabyen91: If we descended from monkeys why are there still monkeys?

If I descended from my parents, why do I have siblings?

/roughly the same logic.

If your siblings were monkeys you would have a point. I get it but the person that would make this argument would probably not understand the difference in your and your siblings' DNA and how different your kids' and your siblings kids' differ and what that means over a hundred generations. What is more someone who made that argument has probably been schooled on it in 1000 Fark threads previously.

Sigh.

We didn't descend from apes. Both humans and apes descended from a common ancestor. There was much branching and many of the lines died out due to the inability to compete for resources. Not many species stand still evolutionary-speaking. There is always a different up & comer looking to occupy your niche in the environment. Just look how invasive species introduced from one part of the world to another can completely out-compete the local plants and animals. Our mobility has sped-up the 'selection' portion of evolution, but mutation just takes time. I know you are clinging to anything to validate your point of view, but really, if there was a god, why on earth would it want to preserve something so useless and mundane as your consciousness and memories. You just need to come to grips with the sad reality that all you are and all you know will soon be lost forever, like tears in the rain.


I kinda just said that (the branching part). I didn't go into genetic drift or genetic isolation though. :)
 
2012-06-12 10:18:25 PM
Wayne 985:

That's really cool, but I think there's a bit of a difference between false learned behavior and superstition, although I recognize that there is much room for debate here.
 
2012-06-12 10:19:13 PM

Marcus Aurelius: vernonFL: Dogs were in space before humans OR chimps.

And cats are smart enough to know not to go into space to begin with.

Ergo, cats rule.


4.bp.blogspot.com

It's just like how a smart man knows to stay out the rain...
 
2012-06-12 10:20:42 PM

fozziewazzi: As long as we're mortal there will be religion. Few people can wrap their heads around and accept the notion of permanent oblivion after death. And then there's the eternal question of how existence began, which may never be answered. I agree that the same innate human hunger for knowledge that drives science also drives religion, but for now at least science is ill-equipped to answer the most fundamental questions humans have been asking themselves for millenia, So religion isn't going anywhere.


I agree with your assessment, except: If a set of theories is shown to be inaccurate and fail at being predictive in every testable way (read: religion), why would I trust it to predict what happens in the untestable realms?
 
2012-06-12 10:21:37 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: eraser8: clowncar on fire: Creationist here- God gave the breath of life

What are you basing that on?

The greatest argument in favor of a god or gods is the need for a designer. But, since evolution by natural selection eliminates that need, why keep a god in the equation? What does a god add?

Without God there would be no Satan/Devil...You want a world without the devil in your heavy metal, no satan in your horror movies?

Add THAT.


The "devil" is just bad wiring. Kids who kill small animals and grow up to be murderers, fuhrers bent on genocyde, movie stars with million dollar accounts stealing from your local Walmart, punching a loved one in the eye- not the works of satan but bad wiring.
 
2012-06-12 10:22:19 PM

clowncar on fire: Albert 1 didn't fare so well?


Nope. Neither did #2 for that matter, but his problems were on the way down after he'd unlocked the achievement.
 
2012-06-12 10:24:47 PM

nmrsnr: Except that I didn't descend from my cousins, so that statement doesn't work.


Which is EXACTLY the point. We didn't descend from monkeys as in modern extant monkeys. So the premise "If we descended from monkeys..." is absurd and false. Granted, Apes and Monkeys share a common ancestor, and in all probability, if we could see one we would say, "Hey look, a monkey". But it would be quite genetically distinct from extant monkeys and apes. It would another in a long line of extinct species.

So the only way to make an accurate statement from the "If we descended from monkeys..." argument is to be very specific and say "If we descended from extinct monkeys which were also the ancestors of all other monkeys and apes, then why are there still monkeys?" And, when you put it like that, it is a question that answers itself and makes the person asking it sound like a retard.

Do you really think Creationists mean the question in that latter way? Or is it more likely they ask it in the former way with the misconception that evolutionists think that modern extant living things are the descendents of other modern extant things? Well, either way, it is a retarded and absurd question, and the person asking can't but sound retarded.
 
2012-06-12 10:24:59 PM
It boils down to one thing...Micheal J Fox has no Elvis in him.
 
2012-06-12 10:25:33 PM
Yeah but have we ever seen God's Long Form Birth Certificate?
 
2012-06-12 10:25:42 PM

jj325: Again, in my book, I scientifically, logically, irrefutably, and historically PROVE the existence of God. Even the ardent atheist will have a difficult time refuting the evidence with any academic plausibility at all.

So this book includes God's origin story?


It's worth noting that even if this 'ardent atheist' WOULD have a difficult time refuting the evidence, doesn't that mean that the author accepts that it would still be possible to do so?

No...I'm just being silly. I'll go back to my corner now.
 
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