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(WCYB News 5)   News: A Farkette has been forced out of a store because she has a service dog. Fark: The store was Goodwill Inc., an organization that claims to champion the disabled   (wcyb.com) divider line 738
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2012-06-12 05:14:00 PM  
I work in retail and I have seen people that have service animals but don't necessarily need one because they're disabled or anything but have a lot of anxiety and the animal helps that anxiety out in public. I've also seen customers where the service dog is pretty much a boxer with a little vest on and it's just a way for people to walk their big dog around on a leash inside the mall. I would never ever ask anyone to leave because they have a service animal, that's just not the right thing to do for the customer. I will however tell someone to pick up their little lap dog off the ground before it pees on any of my merchandise. You can usually tell the difference though, service dogs are generally very, very well behaved and very clean. The idea is that the service dog isn't noticed, it's as if they're not there at all.
 
2012-06-12 05:14:34 PM  
That sucks.

But you know what sucks more? The stupid morons printing off their own fake certifications for "service" animals.

They're gonna screw a whole lot of people out of being able to bring a legitimate service animal into a store.
 
2012-06-12 05:15:09 PM  

paygun: What does a service dog do for someone with epilepsy? Not trying to be a dick, I honestly don't know.


They let them know when an attack is coming... so they can sit down... or stop driving... or land the plane... etc
 
2012-06-12 05:15:32 PM  
One woman she was not allowed to do so....

Her service dog honey makes things a little easier....

"this is not like let's see you driver's license...."


Article's author needs a service editor.
 
2012-06-12 05:16:04 PM  
Yes, I know there's a leash on it. It's my service penis.
 
2012-06-12 05:16:06 PM  
Next time I hit up my local Goodwill I'm looking for 'service dog' collars.
 
2012-06-12 05:16:16 PM  

paygun: What does a service dog do for someone with epilepsy? Not trying to be a dick, I honestly don't know.


A person who has seizures can fall and hurt themselves (lets say stairs for example), a dog that can detect it 45seconds in advance and warn the person, that helps a lot.

/Yes, they can do that.
 
2012-06-12 05:16:19 PM  

wambu: I can see the store's point as well as the customer's.

Given that there are douchey people that will wrongly claim their pet is a service dog just to feel important that they have their pet in the store.

So what's the solution?


Shave service animal and owner, dye both the same hideous dayglo green. Only those who truly need a service animal will go along with that.
 
2012-06-12 05:16:21 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: paygun: What does a service dog do for someone with epilepsy? Not trying to be a dick, I honestly don't know.

They let them know when an attack is coming... so they can sit down... or stop driving... or land the plane... etc


One bark if by land, and two barks if by sea.
 
2012-06-12 05:16:30 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: KatjaMouse: By law you're allowed to ask:

"Excuse me. Is that a service animal you have with you?"

if 'yes' then

"What is the nature of the animal's training/their task?"

Other than those two questions you're not allowed to ask them for paperwork or proof of service.


I don't know why anyone would bother asking those questions. What can you do with the answers?


If a pet owner responds it's a pet, maybe thinking they're in a pet friendly store, then they can be asked to leave. If they can't come up with an answer or seem like they're bullsh*tting, a little further probing could reveal it's really a pet. Then again the person could be a really good, but if they give good answers there's really nothing you can do but allow that animal in the store.

/if there's someone with a cane and mini-horse, I would assume that was a disability animal
//not many douchebags with mini horses trying to bring them into many businesses
 
2012-06-12 05:17:00 PM  
A Johnson City lady claims that she was discriminated against for bringing her service dog inside a store.

Which is it? A Farkette or a lady?
 
2012-06-12 05:17:05 PM  

Girion47: netweavr: Girion47: I've heard a rumor that you can claim your dog as a service companion and the airline has to let you fly with it.

Uh, closed environment and allergies... good luck with that one.

luckily my dogs are non-irritating to the allergic. Also, fark your sneezing if you think I'd risk putting my dog in a plane's cargo hold.


You sound nice.
 
2012-06-12 05:17:37 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Having worked for Goodwill (yes, really), I'm not surprised. Ignorance is a virtue in that company, and the consistent preaching of prosperity gospel to the homeless (in a battered women's shelter nonetheless) just had me sick.

And, most of the money earned through those stores gets shuffled up to administration and the United Way lobbying projects. (The network was completely unsecured and after pointing it out to HR, I was told to not worry about it because it was "unhackable". The result was that I read EVERYTHING the program director read for almost a year - grant applications, revenue projections, HR issues, and directives from above)

Let the bastards burn.


I know a guy that has worked for Goodwill for years. Clearly, what you said is true, because damn that boy is ignorant AND preachy.
 
2012-06-12 05:18:01 PM  

cowgirl toffee: sweetmelissa31: James!: sweetmelissa31: They were suspicious because my service dog was a little on the hefty side

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What is wrong with that dog's leg?

It needs its own service dog :(

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They can help each other. They can do it!


That is so farking sad and adorable at the same time. Can the poor thing jump up onto a couch?
 
2012-06-12 05:18:06 PM  

scottydoesntknow: nekom: The My Little Pony Killer: It's very, very easy to differentiate between a working dog and a pet even if the working animal isn't otherwise marked.

Yeah it's pretty obvious, AND who in the world would fake such a thing just to get to take their dog into a store?

Umm a hell of a lot of people, especially those that think their pet is their kid and is therefore allowed everywhere they are.


THIS.

"Service Dog" labels are pure bullshiat. Where I work someone boasts about getting his little piece of shiat chihuahua declared a service dog just so he can take it into any restaurant or other place of business. Thing's not big enough to function as a paperweight. Utterly useless and proof the system is broken. It's BS like this that causes the doubt in the first place. Folks who abuse the system and make it harder for the legit who actually need the service animal.
 
2012-06-12 05:18:17 PM  

sleeps in trees: Mine went ninja at 3 I feel your pain. The pooch also stabilizes him in situations he's not used to. Unfortunately he's losing his sight early so we are getting a seeing eye dog for the aid dog.... I shiat you not.


I think we had a thread about a situation like that not too long ago.
 
2012-06-12 05:18:34 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: "About a month ago my husband and I went to the Goodwill, and we were approached by their supervisor and were told that we had to leave or show certification or documentation for the dog," said Holowka.

If you don't want to sue all of Goodwill, you should at least get a resignation from that genius supervisor.

Normally, it's very, very easy to differentiate between a working dog and a pet even if the working animal isn't otherwise marked.


Fixed that for you.

I have come across some dogs that have no indication they are service animals, and given the behavior issues should have been restricted even if they really are service animals. Generally (almost always) it is the owner's fault.

CSB time:

I was on the train a couple months ago and one lady (CL*) started being verbally abusive to another passenger. Just after she got onto the crowded train she lost her balance (she wasn't holding on despite having a handle within 12" of her) when the train started. She ended up hitting another passenger in the face and "apologized". The other passenger didn't say or do anything, she was obviously upset and in pain. At that point CL started demanding that the other passenger accept her apology. She just continued to ignore the CL and then got off the train a couple stops later, she did comment to another passenger that it really hurt.

During CL's rant about the other passenger being "rude" a couple other passengers looked sideways at her dog which was laying down in the middle of the train. She blew up and started yelling at them too. "My dog is a service dog! You can't ask me to take the dog off! You can't ask me if the dog is a service dog or not! blah blah blah". No one had asked a single question or made a single comment about it, just looked at the dog taking up enough space for 3 people in a crowded train. She ended up calling the cops and saying she was being harassed and she wanted them arrested for trying to kick her dog off the train.

*Choose your own meaning for this acronym.

/Several people made the comment (to CL) that they didn't have any problems with the dog on the train, but wished she wasn't allowed on... that went over real well. It was after she had the police on the phone.
//A couple people said they had seen her do that before too. Riding the train is always an adventure.
 
2012-06-12 05:18:43 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: wambu: I can see the store's point as well as the customer's.

Given that there are douchey people that will wrongly claim their pet is a service dog just to feel important that they have their pet in the store.

So what's the solution?

Shave service animal and owner, dye both the same hideous dayglo green. Only those who truly need a service animal will go along with that.


Solomon, is that you?
 
2012-06-12 05:18:59 PM  

nekom: The My Little Pony Killer: It's very, very easy to differentiate between a working dog and a pet even if the working animal isn't otherwise marked.

Yeah it's pretty obvious, AND who in the world would fake such a thing just to get to take their dog into a store?


i do all the time if it is raining or there are sketchy street kids out front that might steal him. or store is right on major street and sidewalk is narrow, also i do it to ride the bus with him if i get caught in rain. /portland so no one asks anyway...
 
2012-06-12 05:19:34 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-06-12 05:19:44 PM  

sweetmelissa31: They were suspicious because my service dog was a little on the hefty side


24.media.tumblr.com

I think I saw this thing when Ren and Stimpy went to the Galapagos Islands.
 
2012-06-12 05:20:03 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Ignorance is a virtue in that company


Really?

A store that puts a $50 pricetag on a 13" Packard Bell CRT monitor that might not even work? Ignorant?
 
2012-06-12 05:20:16 PM  

wambu: I can see the store's point as well as the customer's.

Given that there are douchey people that will wrongly claim their pet is a service dog just to feel important that they have their pet in the store.

So what's the solution?



Better lawmakers who don't write ambiguous laws that weren't thought through all the way...

Honestly, I think a state or local issued tag would be a pretty reasonable provision to write in to the law, but it's not in there until the law is changed.
 
2012-06-12 05:20:21 PM  

BackAssward: paygun: What does a service dog do for someone with epilepsy? Not trying to be a dick, I honestly don't know.

A person who has seizures can fall and hurt themselves (lets say stairs for example), a dog that can detect it 45seconds in advance and warn the person, that helps a lot.

/Yes, they can do that.


Yeah, we had a mutt named Rufus (yes, after Carlin's character) with seizures and a golden retriever/yellow lab mix that was his buddy. The lab mix would howl the most blood curdling and bone chilling howl right before Rufus would have a seizure. First time it happened we ran out to see what was wrong, and saw him just twitching on the ground.

Nothing helped poor Rufus though, and we had to eventually put him down, when despite medication, he had a seizure that broke his spine and paralyzed him from the waist down.

//Excuse me while I go have a sad about my not so CSB now.
 
2012-06-12 05:20:49 PM  
So could you just put a vest on him that said "service dog"? I would think that would avoid anyone looking twice and causing an issue.

I was just there today, got a pair of $200 jeans for $7, and smiles from the employees. Also got to see this African lady unable to handle her 2 kids while they broke a cool dog statue, I just stared them down while holding my jeans.

I also wonder what John Lithgow thinks about this.
 
2012-06-12 05:20:59 PM  

skullkrusher: ha-ha-guy: The current service dog laws are permissive. There isn't really some gold standard where the dog gets a patch to wear and has to wear them (by law the dog doesn't have to wear them).

that's the point. Why not have something simple like a tag that identifies the animal as a service animal?


Agreed.. but there is no such thing. Some places offer them, but nothing makes them *official*. There is no 'official' tag or certification at present.

So under the current laws, goodwill farked up, badly.
 
2012-06-12 05:21:03 PM  
The last store i worked at we were told to never ask any questions about any animal that was brought in for fear of a lawsuit (even thought the store had a no pets policy) They basically figured that dealing with a few people who brought their pets in and the associated mess was cheaper and easier to deal with than one lawsuit. Made sense to me and rarely had a bad problem. Mostly just dogs pooping and peeing on the floor.
 
2012-06-12 05:21:16 PM  

amindtat: sweetmelissa31: They were suspicious because my service dog was a little on the hefty side

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I think I saw this thing when Ren and Stimpy went to the Galapagos Islands.


haha that things looks like a seal
 
2012-06-12 05:21:40 PM  

Richard Freckle: I've known several people in the past that have worked there that have told me the employees at a particular store sorted through the stuff as it was brought in and made arrangements to either have it sold to them at a discount or just outright steal it before it hit the shelves. Most of it was resold at yard sales.

I'd never drop anything off at a goodwill and I'd never buy there either. I'm sure the other stores like it have similar problems, but I'd rather donate to AmVets.


Let's not pretend that many if not most donors are doing it for altruistic reasons either. Most are just wanting to get rid of old junk and get some tax write offs. Yes I am one of them and so do most folks.

When I do something 'good' it wouldn't be my donations to Goodwill. I typically donate or give $$ directly to said individuals or an organization.
 
2012-06-12 05:22:57 PM  

Johnnyflash: So could you just put a vest on him that said "service dog"? I would think that would avoid anyone looking twice and causing an issue.


They demanded papers (that aren't required and don't exist), a vest wouldn't have made them happy...
 
2012-06-12 05:23:02 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Let's not pretend that many if not most donors are doing it for altruistic reasons either. Most are just wanting to get rid of old junk and get some tax write offs. Yes I am one of them and so do most folks.


guilty. They even let you fill out your own receipts!

/1 10 lb gold bar
/1 sheet of that airplane flying upside stamps
/2 Jimmy Hoffa testicles
 
2012-06-12 05:23:11 PM  

sleeps in trees: Probably. I'm looking for a dog bigger than a retriever. Maybe a Wolfhound. I like the dogs. Maybe they make me feel safer than the kid.


Well, no punks will wanna mess with your kid, that's for sure.
 
2012-06-12 05:23:12 PM  

Butterflew: I work in retail and I have seen people that have service animals but don't necessarily need one because they're disabled or anything but have a lot of anxiety and the animal helps that anxiety out in public. I've also seen customers where the service dog is pretty much a boxer with a little vest on and it's just a way for people to walk their big dog around on a leash inside the mall. I would never ever ask anyone to leave because they have a service animal, that's just not the right thing to do for the customer. I will however tell someone to pick up their little lap dog off the ground before it pees on any of my merchandise. You can usually tell the difference though, service dogs are generally very, very well behaved and very clean. The idea is that the service dog isn't noticed, it's as if they're not there at all.


This.

When I worked retail I've seen a few service dogs(5 or so in 2 years) and I could tell they were well behaved, silent, and Extremely attentive to their owner. One even had a vest with a sign on that said "Please don't pet me, i'm working!" on it.
 
2012-06-12 05:23:16 PM  
Why is Fark becoming an outlet for whiny rants? Keep that stuff amongst the friends that humor you by making you believe they actually care?

Subby says he/she and his/her husband went to Goodwill. Did you both need the service dog? Why couldn't the good one just help the busted one?

But really - keep this stuff on the Facebook profile everyone avoids like the plague, because one of the most important rules to happiness is eliminating from your life those who whine and complain.
 
2012-06-12 05:24:00 PM  

TravisBickle62: Does anyone have a kid who's NOT autistic?


According to the draft version of the DSM V we are all autistic now.
 
2012-06-12 05:24:18 PM  

sweetmelissa31: They were suspicious because my service dog was a little on the hefty side

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I would hope this is not the animal in question. It's clearly abused.
 
2012-06-12 05:24:24 PM  

MoronLessOff: cowgirl toffee: sweetmelissa31: James!: sweetmelissa31: ...

That is so farking sad and adorable at the same time. Can the poor thing jump up onto a couch?


The fat one can't but the other one can when he uses his ramp.
He can clear 3 chairs AND his landings are perfect. :P
 
2012-06-12 05:24:27 PM  
That's funny, no one has ever asked me for documentation for *my* dog.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-12 05:24:44 PM  

GooberMcFly: Could you have, say, a service-sheep for erectile dysfunction?


Only legal in Scotland.
 
2012-06-12 05:24:49 PM  
Or the lady could stop being a dickhole and have a medical card of some sort to avoid being a whiny biatch.

Federal law or not, how is a place of business supposed to enforce two separate laws without the ability to confirm the veracity of people claiming their pet is a helper animal? It's against the law for most places of businesses to have animals inside the premises.

My wife has a medical device implant and has to carry a medical card to ensure she doesn't have to go through metal detectors, which can screw up the software. If you are a societal outlier, carry information that can convey you are being truthful the the population at large.
 
2012-06-12 05:24:55 PM  
FTMFA:

We spoke with a representative from Goodwill who said that with the right paperwork they'd be happy to allow them in, but until then, their policy says no pets allowed.


Well.......i've been known to gamble on occasion and I can say pretty confidently they'll lose that bet.

Farm them and their United Way ties. Whatever happened to real charity?
 
2012-06-12 05:25:18 PM  
As a cynophobe, service dogs scare me. I would like a service panther, to eat the foul beasts please.
 
2012-06-12 05:25:39 PM  

nekom: The My Little Pony Killer: It's very, very easy to differentiate between a working dog and a pet even if the working animal isn't otherwise marked.

Yeah it's pretty obvious, AND who in the world would fake such a thing just to get to take their dog into a store?


It's not always obvious. In this instance it sounds like the animal has no means of distinguishing it as a service animal (harness, vest, etc...) and the owner is not obviously disabled. So it wouldn't be unreasonable to suspect that it was a pet. Though when they were told it was a service animal, they probably should have accepted it rather than raise a stink over it. (As long as the animal was well behaved)

And there are people who call their pets service animals or therapy animals in an attempt to get around restrictions against pets, especially in housing. So it isn't completely unreasonable to question if it is an actual service animal.

I checked out the service animal guide at the ADA website (Link) and I have to say that the laws are written in such a way to really put a store or restaurant owner in a poor position if a person can just walk in with a dog and not need to provide any proof that it is a legitimate service animal.
 
2012-06-12 05:25:45 PM  

JonnyG: Why is Fark becoming an outlet for whiny rants? Keep that stuff amongst the friends that humor you by making you believe they actually care?

Subby says he/she and his/her husband went to Goodwill. Did you both need the service dog? Why couldn't the good one just help the busted one?

But really - keep this stuff on the Facebook profile everyone avoids like the plague, because one of the most important rules to happiness is eliminating from your life those who whine and complain.


hahaha you don't even WANT to see the crap that gets posted in the TFark facebook group
 
2012-06-12 05:26:49 PM  

Richard Freckle: I'd never drop anything off at a goodwill and I'd never buy there either. I'm sure the other stores like it have similar problems, but I'd rather donate to AmVets.


You might want to research AmVets and similar organizations. Link and Link.

Any assessment may be biased of course, but doesn't hurt to investigate a bit before donating.
 
2012-06-12 05:27:32 PM  
Sorry biatch but your store policy does not trump federal law. I'd take the dog in anyway and let the loony koont argue her case with the cops.
 
2012-06-12 05:27:58 PM  
I have a service dog but rarely use it when inside a store - the peanut butter gets everywhere.
 
2012-06-12 05:28:19 PM  
Big wussy...

Anne Frank never needed a service animal!!!!!
 
2012-06-12 05:28:35 PM  

elffster: Girion47: netweavr: Girion47: I've heard a rumor that you can claim your dog as a service companion and the airline has to let you fly with it.

Uh, closed environment and allergies... good luck with that one.

luckily my dogs are non-irritating to the allergic. Also, fark your sneezing if you think I'd risk putting my dog in a plane's cargo hold.

You sound nice.


Yes, putting an animal in a cargo hold is super kind isn't it? the air isn't heated or cooled, noises aren't dampened, the baggage areas are places of peace and tranquility, and it isn't even near possible that some jackass in a tug could park next to their crate and blast them with diesel fumes is it? All of that suffering of a living creature so that someone doesn't get the sniffles.
 
2012-06-12 05:28:50 PM  

TravisBickle62: Does anyone have a kid who's NOT autistic?


I have 4. I have no clue what happened.
 
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