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2012-06-12 05:45:32 PM

Richard Freckle: I've known several people in the past that have worked there that have told me the employees at a particular store sorted through the stuff as it was brought in and made arrangements to either have it sold to them at a discount or just outright steal it before it hit the shelves. Most of it was resold at yard sales.

I'd never drop anything off at a goodwill and I'd never buy there either. I'm sure the other stores like it have similar problems, but I'd rather donate to AmVets.


I have a friend who has a friend who works for Goodwill and he sets aside things for her, if she wants them, before they are put up for sale.
 
2012-06-12 05:45:37 PM
some sort of certification or license on the animal or maybe mark the animal in some way

I posted earlier about a dog named Jackson, he had failed in a later stage of training to be a service dog. He actually had a tattoo on him, by one of his back legs on his belly.

I dont expect everyone to be looking over potential service dogs to spot something like that, but it was weird to think he had one.
 
2012-06-12 05:45:58 PM
You sound visually impaired.
 
2012-06-12 05:46:21 PM

Calmamity: It pissed my blind friend off that pretty much anyone can get anything designated a service animal.


yeah, I don't get how people can fark up a breed until it is a nervous wreck, and then get to claim it as a "service animal" for helping them with anxiety or something. Blech.

Just peaked over at the ADA site that defines what a service animal is, where it can be used, etc. I especially liked this part:

"Establishments that sell or prepare food must allow service animals in public areas even if state or local health codes prohibit animals on the premises."

I'm no constitutional scholar, but...is that really a power delegated to the fed government? looking...looking...oh! Interstate Commerce! People sell "service dogs" across state lines, I'm sure...so blamo! Glad we got that settled.
 
2012-06-12 05:46:25 PM

kvinesknows: people using illegal tags.


is that really going to be more of an issue than people simply lying about the status of their pet to get it in places?

kvinesknows: forcing people to have tags.


dogs would wear the tags. People would be tag free
 
2012-06-12 05:46:39 PM

MilesTeg: Seems like another BS law designed just to make lawyers wealthy.

Sorry for your disablement whatever it is but that does not mean you should be able to impose on everyone else. It's not our fault. Play the cards you are dealt.


/dog owner


So, disabled people should play their cards and not take advantage of the help a service animal can provide?

/Words of wisdom indeed.
 
2012-06-12 05:47:12 PM

Snarfangel: cretinbob: Goodwill is almost as big a scam as Salvation Army

I don't know about the Salvation Army, but you do not want to fark with the Salvation Marines.


What about the militant wing of the Salvation Army?
 
2012-06-12 05:47:37 PM

Snarfangel: cretinbob: Goodwill is almost as big a scam as Salvation Army

I don't know about the Salvation Army, but you do not want to fark with the Salvation Marines.


If you just want to get really baked, you can join the Salvation Peace Corps. You can even bring your dog.
 
2012-06-12 05:49:03 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: CruiserTwelve: The My Little Pony Killer: It's very, very easy to differentiate between a working dog and a pet even if the working animal isn't otherwise marked.

How?

By using your eyes and your brain.


Good non-answer.
 
2012-06-12 05:49:40 PM

Diogenes: palladiate: Calmamity: On the other hand, I spoke to a blind woman once who told me that there are no real rules about what is and isn't a service animal, so if you have-- for example-- debilitating obesity you can fill out the paperwork claiming that your boa constrictor is your service animal and voila! It is.

It pissed my blind friend off that pretty much anyone can get anything designated a service animal.

Actually that was changed last year. Only dogs and miniature horses qualify now. And they have to specifically trained for assistance.

This is bad news...for my helper monkey.


Lemme guess: you broke your arm and are now unable to fling feces for yourself?
 
2012-06-12 05:50:22 PM

Julie Cochrane: wambu: I can see the store's point as well as the customer's.

Given that there are douchey people that will wrongly claim their pet is a service dog just to feel important that they have their pet in the store.

So what's the solution?

Do you like your dog that much that you want to keep track of your dog in the store all the time? Does it really make you feel "important" to have your dog in the store? Does it take that little to make you feel important? Or is it that your potential is that low?

I know there are hypothetical "douchey people." But I worked at Target before, and the only people I saw that I suspected of scamming on the "service animal" designation were little old ladies with their itty bitty purse dogs.

And here's where I stand on that issue. I've got a lot of training and background in psych and therapy and what can break about people's brains. I know damned well these lonely little old ladies with their purse dogs, the dog is just a pet. But at the same time, these are frail, little old ladies who are, in many cases, dealing with a whole cascade of problems that go along with aging.

Having that little purse dog everywhere she goes is probably doing that old lady the world of good, and if she falls somewhere and breaks a hip, that little yappy dog is still going to be able to jump up and down and bark shrilly long after the little old lady is hoarse, raspy, and can't be heard.

So while the little old lady is scamming.... It's kindof a case of she is and she isn't.

As for random douchenozzles? Random douchenozzles aren't the type to bond that closely with their pets and want to be around them all the time and take care of them all the time. They're just not good at that much "togetherness."

I see far, far more potential for cases where "abuse" of the "service animal designation" is claimed by "outraged" people---where the disability involved is one of the invisible disabilities and the outraged person just doesn't believe in that disability an ...


But why does someone getting dealt a bad hand in life mean that I should be forced by the federal government to allow farm animals, among others, into my store?
 
2012-06-12 05:50:33 PM

CruiserTwelve: The My Little Pony Killer: CruiserTwelve: The My Little Pony Killer: It's very, very easy to differentiate between a working dog and a pet even if the working animal isn't otherwise marked.

How?

By using your eyes and your brain.

Good non-answer.



Are you suggesting your brain isn't up to the task? Then projecting that onto others?
 
2012-06-12 05:50:38 PM
CSS

My parents are watching my dog for me for awhile. Every time I call, Mom makes a point of telling me how soft Polly's fur has gotten and that she brushes her every day. I am starting to feel a teensy bit guilty that when I pick my dog back up I will be taking the little old lady's doggie away. 'sokay Mom. You can come visit us. :-)

/CSS
 
2012-06-12 05:51:20 PM

GooberMcFly: Could you have, say, a service-sheep for erectile dysfunction?


The training school for those sheep would be a horror show.
 
2012-06-12 05:51:36 PM

BackAssward: swaxhog: Any service dog I've ever seen has a vest on. Just because someone comes into a store with a dog and says it's a service animal doesn't make it so. People lie. That's why the vest goes on so you can avoid the self generated drama. Dog with vest and told to leave. Then you have a lawsuit. No vest? AW.


Did you even bother to read the ADA Laws? Vests are not required, and in this case, a vest would not have been enough to satisfy the person in question, only certification (that doesn't exist).

/RTFA


Yes I know all about it. Put the farking vest on and you have no problems. Don't put it on and you're just an attention whore going from store to store just WAITING for someone to challenge you so you can get all butthurt and whine on the Internet how DEGRADED you were for being told to leave. Which is exactly what I said in the first place.

No vest and now you're in a war of words. b-b-but I don't need a vest. No, you don't but you'll get asked to leave. You'll stir up some drama to make you feel good. Probably even get the store to apologize for doing nothing but keeping the store clean and safe from the steady flow of idiots who bring their dogs with no identification and use the 'service dog' card.

Sorry, no sympathy for this person at all.
 
2012-06-12 05:51:38 PM

Calmamity: On the other hand, I spoke to a blind woman once who told me that there are no real rules about what is and isn't a service animal, so if you have-- for example-- debilitating obesity you can fill out the paperwork claiming that your boa constrictor is your service animal and voila! It is.

It pissed my blind friend off that pretty much anyone can get anything designated a service animal.


Yeah, this is the real problem. There should be some sort of certification of training before service animals get permission to enter places that pets aren't admitted.

Originally there was no need of this, a guide dog has to have extensive training to be of any use to it's owner (and while the owner can train some behaviors much of the training must be by a sighted individual, there are no owner-trained guide dogs) and so the issue of a poorly trained service animal simply didn't exist.

Now, however, you can have legitimate service animals with minimal training. A seizure alert dog could be the owner's own animal who simply showed an ability to detect imminent seizures and was trained with a specific alert reaction.

BarkingUnicorn: Rules were changed a year ago. Only dogs and miniature ponies can be service animals now. Yes, ponies; I'm not joking.


What about quadriplegics with monkeys? No dog or horse is nearly as versatile. (The owner has a laser pointer to tell the monkey where, the monkey only needs to have commands for what to do with whatever the owner is designating.)

BarkingUnicorn: You need proof of a disability in order to get SSI, handicapped parking privileges, discounted bus passes, and so on. WTF is wrong with requiring proof that your dog has graduated from service school?


Not all of them have. Some types of service animals, especially alert animals, need little training and anyone who knows how to train a dog can train them. Unfortunately, this means they often lack the etiquette training a service animal should have in order to be taken into no-pets areas.

RibbyK: sleeps in trees: My son as a service dog. He's autistic. The dog was not trained through a mainstream facility because it would have cost us 20k and for a child that does not bond a 2 year old dog defeats the purpose. We have been questioned but higher establishments (Chateau Whistler etc.) are amazing.

The second sentence made sense, but the words rest mixed up they are.
Son as dog? You tried to purchase a child for $20,000? US or Canadian?


You are missing the word "and" in there.

paygun: What does a service dog do for someone with epilepsy? Not trying to be a dick, I honestly don't know.


It can give them advance warning of a seizure. There's nothing the dog can do to stop it but the person can get into a safe position before they lose control.

peterthx: "Service Dog" labels are pure bullshiat. Where I work someone boasts about getting his little piece of shiat chihuahua declared a service dog just so he can take it into any restaurant or other place of business. Thing's not big enough to function as a paperweight. Utterly useless and proof the system is broken. It's BS like this that causes the doubt in the first place. Folks who abuse the system and make it harder for the legit who actually need the service animal.


Alert animals don't need size to do their job.

I do agree there is a lot of abuse, though. We need some sort of official evaluation and certification system, although for owner-trained animals I would be inclined to say that the certification can carry over--if they trained one animal properly it's reasonable to presume they'll train it's replacement(s) properly.
 
2012-06-12 05:51:49 PM
So, handicapped person is handicapped?
 
2012-06-12 05:52:01 PM

CruiserTwelve: Good non-answer.


To be fair, it DID seem like a non-question. In your case, however, it's understandable.

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Maybe I could just tell people that I work in IT, and therefore I have this overwhelming urge to punch people in the face. Taking my service dog, Leo, with me everywhere keeps me in a good mood and ensures that no one gets all punchified.
 
2012-06-12 05:52:09 PM

Rhypskallion: As a cynophobe, service dogs scare me. I would like a service panther, to eat the foul beasts please.


Seriously, this is a good point. If everyone starts taking their "service dog" everywhere, what happens to people who are allergic to dogs or afraid of dogs? There's a building at my work where perfumes and scents are prohibited because apparently someone in the building has a serious allergy. I imagine there are people out there with animal allergies on that level. What happens if one of those people has to work near someone with a service dog? I'm thinking they fight to the death, amirite?

And also seriously, business owners should be allowed IMHO to prohibit animals except for people who truly need them and they should be allowed to challenge a customer with an animal if it doesn't appear that the animal is obviously serving an important purpose. IMHO, of course. I realize that the real world is far too farked up to operate rationally. :)
 
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2012-06-12 05:52:16 PM
So let me handle this the exact way we would if the person involved was not a Farkette...

Entitled much? "Wah he asked me for proof." Big deal... carry some farking proof with you. "It helps you?" How about you leave the vaguely helpful and medically unnecessary dog in the car for five farking minutes."

Also, please to be making me a sammich.
 
2012-06-12 05:52:54 PM
Just wear sunglasses next time.
 
2012-06-12 05:52:54 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Girion47: elffster: Girion47: netweavr: Girion47: I've heard a rumor that you can claim your dog as a service companion and the airline has to let you fly with it.

Uh, closed environment and allergies... good luck with that one.

luckily my dogs are non-irritating to the allergic. Also, fark your sneezing if you think I'd risk putting my dog in a plane's cargo hold.

You sound nice.

Yes, putting an animal in a cargo hold is super kind isn't it? the air isn't heated or cooled, noises aren't dampened, the baggage areas are places of peace and tranquility, and it isn't even near possible that some jackass in a tug could park next to their crate and blast them with diesel fumes is it? All of that suffering of a living creature so that someone doesn't get the sniffles.

Option 1: Put pet in Cargo Hold
Option 2: Take pet in Cabin
Option 3: Is the one that you're not considering... and the most reasonable.


Drive? driving isn't reasonable when it triples travel time and cost(flying on earned miles when I do personal travel)
 
2012-06-12 05:53:24 PM
As somebody who was once told a chihuahua in a purse was a service dog...I think there should be SOME requirement of proof....
 
2012-06-12 05:53:40 PM

CruiserTwelve: The My Little Pony Killer: CruiserTwelve: The My Little Pony Killer: It's very, very easy to differentiate between a working dog and a pet even if the working animal isn't otherwise marked.

How?

By using your eyes and your brain.

Good non-answer.



Are you suggesting your brain isn't up to the task? Then projecting that onto others?

swaxhog: BackAssward: swaxhog: Any service dog I've ever seen has a vest on. Just because someone comes into a store with a dog and says it's a service animal doesn't make it so. People lie. That's why the vest goes on so you can avoid the self generated drama. Dog with vest and told to leave. Then you have a lawsuit. No vest? AW.


Did you even bother to read the ADA Laws? Vests are not required, and in this case, a vest would not have been enough to satisfy the person in question, only certification (that doesn't exist).

/RTFA

Yes I know all about it. Put the farking vest on and you have no problems. Don't put it on and you're just an attention whore going from store to store just WAITING for someone to challenge you so you can get all butthurt and whine on the Internet how DEGRADED you were for being told to leave. Which is exactly what I said in the first place.

No vest and now you're in a war of words. b-b-but I don't need a vest. No, you don't but you'll get asked to leave. You'll stir up some drama to make you feel good. Probably even get the store to apologize for doing nothing but keeping the store clean and safe from the steady flow of idiots who bring their dogs with no identification and use the 'service dog' card.

Sorry, no sympathy for this person at all.



Maybe I need to speak louder: a vest wouldn't have meant anything because the manager demanded papers, a vest would have meant bull shiat

/Clear now?
 
2012-06-12 05:53:49 PM
In this thread I've learned that only service animals are well behaved.
 
2012-06-12 05:54:26 PM

mikieb: buckler: A guy I know once traveled cross-country to move, and didn't want to spend the whole time at campsites, so he had a dog vest silkscreened with a fictitious animal-training logo for his dog. He stopped at a hotel for the night, and the desk clerk asked him for verification of the dog's service-animal status. He said "this dog is in training, and it's illegal for you to ask that," The clerk consulted with his supervisor, who said she'd put him in a handicapped room. He said "I'm a trainer, not a dog recipient." The supervisor then asked what would happen if the dog pooped or vomited in a room. "What do you do when a child does that? I'd clean it up," he said. Not sure who to root for in this context.

Root for the hotel. I had a real bad experience at a Super 8 once because they gave me a room that had been used for dogs (allergies and bad asthma). I nearly had to be hospitalized, and did have to be given another room. I want to know why the rights of people who "need animals" outweigh my "right to breath". When your disability can cause death, I think that should be given higher priority. Even with my medication, the situation still is serious unless I can move away from the source of the allergens. I've had to leave restaurants and work spaces because of asthma problems due to service animals. One of these days, when I travel for work, I really fear getting stuck on a plane next to someone's "service animal". My inhalers only give temporary relief, and you still need to remove the source of the allergens. Taking my inhaler too many times will cause serious heart tremors, as albuterol is a stimulant. Every person I've met with a service animal that I explain my situation to, they become really rude and insulting. I like how the woman in the article was shopping with her husband, but still "needs" her epilepsy dog because her husband must be a total idiot incapable of recognizing a seizure and dialing 911.


Whos disability is worse? My service dog can see a seizure comming before a doctor can. People that legitimately need a dog should have one. That being said it is dander, not fur that mucks you up and a proper service dog is usually groomed impeccably. Sounds to me like a pissing match on who is more special with no winner.
 
2012-06-12 05:55:00 PM

Girion47: elffster: Girion47: netweavr: Girion47: I've heard a rumor that you can claim your dog as a service companion and the airline has to let you fly with it.

Uh, closed environment and allergies... good luck with that one.

luckily my dogs are non-irritating to the allergic. Also, fark your sneezing if you think I'd risk putting my dog in a plane's cargo hold.

You sound nice.

Yes, putting an animal in a cargo hold is super kind isn't it? the air isn't heated or cooled, noises aren't dampened, the baggage areas are places of peace and tranquility, and it isn't even near possible that some jackass in a tug could park next to their crate and blast them with diesel fumes is it? All of that suffering of a living creature so that someone doesn't get the sniffles.


Or a child has an asthma attack, forcing the plane to make an medical emergency landing. But as long as your pet is comfortable, it's all worth it, right?
 
2012-06-12 05:55:04 PM

aspAddict: CruiserTwelve: Good non-answer.

To be fair, it DID seem like a non-question. In your case, however, it's understandable.

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Maybe I could just tell people that I work in IT, and therefore I have this overwhelming urge to punch people in the face. Taking my service dog, Leo, with me everywhere keeps me in a good mood and ensures that no one gets all punchified.


You're disabled enough to need a service dog. I doubt you are going to be punchifying anyone. Unless you are faking?
 
2012-06-12 05:55:47 PM
The LAST time I walked into a Goodwill was about 7 years ago. There was a white (ish) lazyboy leather recliner for sale for only 300 dollars. It was stained brown and had about a million cracks in the leather, ratted out and someone had the balls to ask 300 for the POS.
 
2012-06-12 05:56:38 PM

nekom: The My Little Pony Killer: It's very, very easy to differentiate between a working dog and a pet even if the working animal isn't otherwise marked.

Yeah it's pretty obvious, AND who in the world would fake such a thing just to get to take their dog into a store?


I don't know....how about every freak dog owner that thinks his/her dog is special.
 
2012-06-12 05:57:04 PM

Pincy: aspAddict: CruiserTwelve: Good non-answer.

To be fair, it DID seem like a non-question. In your case, however, it's understandable.

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Maybe I could just tell people that I work in IT, and therefore I have this overwhelming urge to punch people in the face. Taking my service dog, Leo, with me everywhere keeps me in a good mood and ensures that no one gets all punchified.

You're disabled enough to need a service dog. I doubt you are going to be punchifying anyone. Unless you are faking?



You can have recurring but not always present illnesses that a service animal can help you with... you don't need to be "disabled enough" to have use for one.
 
2012-06-12 05:57:09 PM
I worked in retail for 25 years. NEVER has anyone tried to bring an animal into a store that wasn't really a service animal.
As a patron of many establishments, NEVER have I ever witnessed someone trying to pass off a regular dog as a service animal.
Now, having just done some googling, it seems that, other than the article in question, there is not another incident posted on the web about dogs posing as service dogs to gain entry to an establishment.

So.. it seems that this is a rare event.

Do we really have to figure something out because of ONE incident?
I think not.

One idiot manager forgot what "customer service" is, and screwed up.
Spilt milk people.
 
2012-06-12 05:57:10 PM
Having had to deal with both legitimate service animals and "service animals" according to self-entitled dipshiats that just want to keep their little fluffykins by their side, a couple things:

1. According to the ADA, a service animal is a dog (other animals aren't classified under the ADA as of 2011, though there's a broader classification of 'service animal' under the fair housing acts, etc) that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for a person with a disability. Generally speaking, a "task" means something physical, like alerting you to sounds if you're deaf, picking things up for you if you've limited mobility, guiding you if you're blind. An emotional support-type animal doesn't fall under the ADA classification for a service animal (though, again, they might fall under the fair housing definition, which only really matters when dealing with your landlord).

2. Again, according to ADA rules, a service animal _must_ be leashed or similarly bound to its owner unless the task it performs absolutely necessitates being unbound. If the dog isn't leashed, that's actually considered sufficient grounds to eject it under "lack of owner control". Same, obviously, with it not being housebroken.

3. Any failure for the owner to exercise control over the service animal is considered legitimate reason to eject the animal from the premises. Note that this means you have to control the dog before it does something like sticking its nose into some third party's legs or make off with a shoe from a display rack. Calling the dog off after it's misbehaved does not restore your right to have the animal in a publicly-accessible area.

When a dog is ejected, the owners/employees of the store are required to make reasonable accommodation for your disability.


So... if your dog helps you deal with seizures, a store can in fact kick the puppy out the minute it so much as wanders up to someone and sniffs their bum, they just then have to offer to have an employee keep an eye on you to perform basic first aid and call an ambulance should you have a seizure while you shop.

//There's also a question of basic politeness in play here. If you don't have a visible disability, or an easily verifiable one like deafness, You should carry documentation for your service animal in the interest of not being a self-entitled twat who intentionally makes trouble for others for no real reason. Same as how I still carry my concealed-carry permit even when I'm on the range and the range employees technically have no authority to demand that I present it. Don't be a douche.

//I'm a little ashamed of humanity that I even have to know this branch of law as well as I do, honestly. If people didn't shamelessly abuse the "can't demand verification" part of the ADA to tromp their pets through my workplace constantly and were just basically decent human beings I'd never have needed to memorize the legal reasons to eject service animals from the premises.
 
2012-06-12 05:57:51 PM
Can we just hurry up and create service robots? We would go from "We don't allow filthy animals in here -- or your dog, either" to "Wow, cool robot!"
 
2012-06-12 05:58:05 PM

BackAssward:
Maybe I need to speak louder: a vest wouldn't have meant anything because the manager demanded papers, a vest would have meant bull shiat
/Clear now?


I'm thinking if the dog had been wearing a vest...no questions would have been asked...like in every other case of a service dog.
 
2012-06-12 05:58:46 PM

sleeps in trees: Rent Party: KatjaMouse: FeedTheCollapse: I saw a kid with an "Autism Dog" at Target a few months back; wtf is this shiat?

Some dogs are trained to keep a kid with autism focused. It acts as a combination fur nanny and slobbery security blanket.

My autistic son was prone to wandering off to go exploring, sometimes at 3AM and without telling anyone. We looked into a service dog to keep him around the house or at least let us know if he was heading out. They run about $15K, though, so we just improved the locks in the place instead.

He's a full blown ninja now, but he has more space and so wanders less.

Mine went ninja at 3 I feel your pain. The pooch also stabilizes him in situations he's not used to. Unfortunately he's losing his sight early so we are getting a seeing eye dog for the aid dog.... I shiat you not.


Bummer about the sight. I have blind friends with dogs and they work wonders.

My son doesn't have much of the "social avoidance" issues that a lot of autistic kids have. He's non verbal, a complete stim freak, and is way deep into the obsessive and ritualistic behavior, but he loves to get out and explore. Of the few words he does use, "road trip" are his faves.

We thought the dog could help us keep track of him, as he's been missing a couple of times.
 
2012-06-12 05:59:05 PM

BackAssward: Maybe I need to speak louder: a vest wouldn't have meant anything because the manager demanded papers, a vest would have meant bull shiat

/Clear now?


meh, with a clipboard and a hardhat people can steal entire bridges.

If the dog was in a vest, it is very likely that the manager probably would never have even thought to ask anything else.
 
2012-06-12 05:59:38 PM

TravisBickle62: Does anyone have a kid who's NOT autistic?


Jenny McCarthy?
 
2012-06-12 05:59:40 PM

Usurper4: BackAssward:
Maybe I need to speak louder: a vest wouldn't have meant anything because the manager demanded papers, a vest would have meant bull shiat
/Clear now?

I'm thinking if the dog had been wearing a vest...no questions would have been asked...like in every other case of a service dog.


Not true, this came down from the local CEO, not just the store manager (who required papers, not a vest).
 
2012-06-12 05:59:48 PM
Aww...boo hoo...she's special because she's a Farkette.


That means that I should give a shiat or something.
 
2012-06-12 06:00:32 PM

Snarfangel: cretinbob: Goodwill is almost as big a scam as Salvation Army

I don't know about the Salvation Army, but you do not want to fark with the Salvation Marines.


Dude, Salvation Seal Team 7 will take your soul to heaven. With or without your permission.
 
2012-06-12 06:01:18 PM

Sticky Hands: BackAssward: Maybe I need to speak louder: a vest wouldn't have meant anything because the manager demanded papers, a vest would have meant bull shiat

/Clear now?

meh, with a clipboard and a hardhat people can steal entire bridges.

If the dog was in a vest, it is very likely that the manager probably would never have even thought to ask anything else.


Nope, directive came from CEO that papers were required... vest means shiat to them.
 
2012-06-12 06:01:22 PM

elffster: ...

Guide dogs need to have a license that says its a real guide dog. Then no one could complain about it. And less folks would try to scam their way into carrying a chihuahua (not really suited to being a guide dog at all, imo) around.


I have a friend who worked for Disability Services that has a degenerative eye disease and a mini wiener dog. I made a vest with a long handle for her dog. It was funny when she walked into her office saying she got a new service dog. The poor thing only had a paw or two on the ground when she had the handle. :P
 
2012-06-12 06:01:36 PM

mikieb: Or a child has an asthma attack, forcing the plane to make an medical emergency landing.


Nah, just whip out the guitar.

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2012-06-12 06:01:54 PM
That's too bad and hopefully an isolate incident, because as the stubby noted...it's sad and goodwill is a champion for those casualties of capitalism tht could use a helping hand.
 
2012-06-12 06:01:57 PM

netizencain: So I can just walk around with a dog, call it a service dog and no one can ever challenge me?


Yeah, its this bullshiat that is moronic, if its a service dog then it should be marked as one(vest/shirt/etc...) not riding in the basket or in your cute little doggie purse that one lady had because it eases her anxiety attacks

And this incident really depends on the dog in question, if it was an actual trained dog thats one thing but just any dog cant be a service animal, my guess is that its her personal dog and they never had it certified or bothered with a doctors not all because "they arent allowed to ask"

The new rule should be that the blind get service dogs and maybe handicapped get helper monkeys, thats it, the rest of you are shiat out of luck.
 
2012-06-12 06:02:12 PM

Paris1127: my mom's bf seriously considered getting his pug a service dog collar, so they could go into places like the post office


I always wanted to get a harness for my German Shepherd to make her look like a seeing eye dog. Then, with dark sunglasses on, I'd see if we'd be allowed in a movie theater.
 
2012-06-12 06:04:09 PM

steamingpile: The new rule should be that the blind get service dogs and maybe handicapped get helper monkeys, thats it, the rest of you are shiat out of luck.


Man, I'd give my left arm for a helper monkey.
 
2012-06-12 06:04:23 PM
FTFA:

"Unlike being blind, Holowka doesn't have a visible disability"

Just found that to be chuckly.

In the meantime...keep your pets out of stores. It's offensive.
 
2012-06-12 06:04:31 PM
Yes, I know the law says you don't have to prove anything, but if it really is a trained service dog, would it be such a terrible thing to have a service dog harness and its credentials on it?
 
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