R.A.Danny: Federal law does not require folks to show proof an animal is a service dog.
State Representative Jon Lundberg says places are not allowed to ask.


Stick a fork in 'em.

Calmamity: On the other hand, I spoke to a blind woman once who told me that there are no real rules about what is and isn't a service animal, so if you have-- for example-- debilitating obesity you can fill out the paperwork claiming that your boa constrictor is your service animal and voila! It is.

It pissed my blind friend off that pretty much anyone can get anything designated a service animal.

Rules were changed a year ago. Only dogs and miniature ponies can be service animals now. Yes, ponies; I'm not joking.

scottydoesntknow: nekom: The My Little Pony Killer: It's very, very easy to differentiate between a working dog and a pet even if the working animal isn't otherwise marked.

Yeah it's pretty obvious, AND who in the world would fake such a thing just to get to take their dog into a store?

Umm a hell of a lot of people, especially those that think their pet is their kid and is therefore allowed everywhere they are.

I've never seen someone try to take a dog into a store (other than petsmart, etc) that wasn't obviously a service animal. Seems like a lot of trouble to go through faking just to take rover into Wal-Mart. But yeah, I guess some people are just nuts.

Why? Were you breastfeeding, Subby?

BarkingUnicorn: Yes, ponies; I'm not joking.

My sister had assistant pony, my cousin had assistant pony, ..So, what's wrong with that?

BackAssward: Diogenes: So why not just add a blurb or code on the tag that says "service animal"? That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Reasonable or not, it's NOT what the current laws say, so a moot point at this point.

/and those tags should then be free to the poor disabled, right?

what is the rationale behind the law?

cowgirl toffee: They can help each other. They can do it!



what am I doing with my life

Diogenes: houndoggie: why can't the store ask for proof of the dog's service?

netizencain: So I can just walk around with a dog, call it a service dog and no one can ever challenge me?

Just guessing, but I would say that challenging the validity of the assistant would be akin to challenging the handicap. Which would be discriminatory. But I agree that it seems excessively broad.

You need proof of a disability in order to get SSI, handicapped parking privileges, discounted bus passes, and so on. WTF is wrong with requiring proof that your dog has graduated from service school?

houndoggie: netizencain: So I can just walk around with a dog, call it a service dog and no one can ever challenge me?

what if the dog shiats or pisses on the stores floor. Is the disabled person required to clean it up? What if the dog bites some one? Is the person liable for the dogs actions?

yes and yes

thomps: cowgirl toffee: sweetmelissa31: James!: sweetmelissa31: ...

i never really knew what people meant when they said they had a toy poodle. thanks for the clarification

... now with front wheel drive and increased traction!

BackAssward: Diogenes: So why not just add a blurb or code on the tag that says "service animal"? That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Reasonable or not, it's NOT what the current laws say, so a moot point at this point.

/and those tags should then be free to the poor disabled, right?

Why do you seem to getting angry with me? I get what the law says. I was just musing. And yes, they should be free.

thomps: houndoggie: netizencain: So I can just walk around with a dog, call it a service dog and no one can ever challenge me?

what if the dog shiats or pisses on the stores floor. Is the disabled person required to clean it up? What if the dog bites some one? Is the person liable for the dogs actions?

"oh i really wish i could clean it up, but part of my disability is a severe allergy to dog piss and sh*t. would you do me a solid and clean that up for me, thaaaaaanks."

and of course a real service animal would be trained not to shiat or piss inside and to ignore other people

BarkingUnicorn: You need proof of a disability in order to get SSI, handicapped parking privileges, discounted bus passes, and so on. WTF is wrong with requiring proof that your dog has graduated from service school?

Boy, there's just no winning with you people. How dare I try to see both sides of an issue!

I guess I'll just stop posting.

BackAssward: Diogenes: So why not just add a blurb or code on the tag that says "service animal"? That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Reasonable or not, it's NOT what the current laws say, so a moot point at this point.

/and those tags should then be free to the poor disabled, right?

most dogs have to be registered with the county. It costs (here) $5 a year if the pet is neutered. The county could just add SA (service animal) to the tags number.

Diogenes: houndoggie: Diogenes: houndoggie: why can't the store ask for proof of the dog's service?

netizencain: So I can just walk around with a dog, call it a service dog and no one can ever challenge me?

Just guessing, but I would say that challenging the validity of the assistant would be akin to challenging the handicap. Which would be discriminatory. But I agree that it seems excessively broad.

handicapped people are required to hang tags or have handicap plates to allow them to park in the handicap spots (while making handicapped faces). I see no difference in having the service dog have a scarf or vest that designates its role.

I'm not arguing one way or the other. Just offering a possible rationale.

Auto tags may be a bit different in that, if abused, excludes the handicapped from something intended for them. Different scenario altogether.

But that then makes me think of pet tags. If you take your pet out in public, aren't you required to have a license tag for them regardless of whether it's a service animal? So why not just add a blurb or code on the tag that says "service animal"? That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

I really don't want my face that close to your pet's face. How about YOU carry the animal's photo ID and show it on demand?

BarkingUnicorn: I really don't want my face that close to your pet's face. How about YOU carry the animal's photo ID and show it on demand?

Why don't you unclench.

Could you have, say, a service-sheep for erectile dysfunction?

Granted, it's been a long while since I worked in the service sector, but I can't believe any business that serves the public doesn't train managers on the ADA laws.

"When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person's disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task."

What!?

There should be no rules against having your dog serviced!

"If you want to bring 'im on through I can throw him up on the rack and have a look".

"Ma'am. I've rotated the legs, and overall your dog is in good condition, but those shocks might need replacing soon and when did you have your dog neutered last, cuz it looks like it hasn't been done in a while. I can do that for you as long as he's up on the hoist. For now though, e's all lubed up and ready to go"

Asked for the dog's papers?

Reply with : "He doesn't need any, he goes outside!" and then stare at one another until their brain has processed that information.

/My dog 'as no nose...
//I'm not on anything, why do you ask?

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: you call that a service animal? I guess that's ok if you're like poor or something

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Whatever, my service animal always takes me and my red headed son where we need to be

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Why is that poor walrus so far away from the water?

BarkingUnicorn: R.A.Danny: Federal law does not require folks to show proof an animal is a service dog.
State Representative Jon Lundberg says places are not allowed to ask.


Stick a fork in 'em.

Calmamity: On the other hand, I spoke to a blind woman once who told me that there are no real rules about what is and isn't a service animal, so if you have-- for example-- debilitating obesity you can fill out the paperwork claiming that your boa constrictor is your service animal and voila! It is.

It pissed my blind friend off that pretty much anyone can get anything designated a service animal.

Rules were changed a year ago. Only dogs and miniature ponies can be service animals now. Yes, ponies; I'm not joking.

This is not entirely true. That is simply a recommendation/guideline by the DoJ regarding ADA compliance. States are free to allow other animals. Link

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Whatever, my service animal always takes me and my red headed son where we need to be

Seriously though everyone in that picture is SO FAT. It's like America dot jpeg

Sybarite: Granted, it's been a long while since I worked in the service sector, but I can't believe any business that serves the public doesn't train managers on the ADA laws.

"When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person's disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task."

what if the dog is black?

BarkingUnicorn: Diogenes: houndoggie: ...

You need proof of a disability in order to get SSI, handicapped parking privileges, discounted bus passes, and so on. WTF is wrong with requiring proof that your dog has graduated from service school?

No kidding. I know that in Tennessee, there is not a government office that accredites or certifies training schools. The certification comes from the schools themselves... any school. I could make a school today and the certification from "Cowgirl Toffees' Service Dog School" would be just as legitimate as a certification from a school that has been open for years. So if a consumer plops down $20,000 for a service dog and that dog only knows how to stay, heel, and sit pretty, there is no office they could go to. They can do nothing if the dog does not preform a service for the disabled individual. So for the consumer... it is needed.

Just to point out... the United States says an individual can train their own service dog. This allows the individual to customize the training. Also, it is hard to find some schools that train for some services (like seizure detection and help with PTSD for example).

This doesn't mean the business owners are in the shiater. They do not have to put up with every dog in that claims service dog but isn't. They can ask if the dog is for a disability and what task the dog has been trained to do. Also... the business owner can ask the dog to leave if it is a threat to others, if it is out of control, or if it is not housebroken.

My attack dog is also my therapy dog.

Watching my dog maul people is soothing to watch and good for my blood pressure.

You know- the reshould be tags for the animals. There are legitimate health reasons why animals are limited from businesses.

Cythraul: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The network was completely unsecured and after pointing it out to HR, I was told to not worry about it because it was "unhackable"

Nothing inspires black-hat hackers more than someone using the term 'unhackable.'

It wasn't even what I would constitute as "hacking". The shared network had a basic administrative access password and the on site social worker had everything about the clients on her HD. I popped a flashdrive with a brute force algorithm and let it run for an hour or so.

/Ph33r m3h h4x0rZ sKi77z!

Diogenes: BackAssward: Diogenes: So why not just add a blurb or code on the tag that says "service animal"? That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Reasonable or not, it's NOT what the current laws say, so a moot point at this point.

/and those tags should then be free to the poor disabled, right?

Why do you seem to getting angry with me? I get what the law says. I was just musing. And yes, they should be free.

Why would it be a problem to have that on the tag? There's handicapped tags for cars, it would seem to work the same way with a service animal, no?

Diogenes: BarkingUnicorn: Yes, ponies; I'm not joking.

My sister had assistant pony, my cousin had assistant pony, ..So, what's wrong with that?

Who leaves a country packed with ponies to come to a non-pony country? It doesn't make sense..

is there an actual flame war about farking service animals in this thread? jesus christ you people

(Scanning comments for obvious joke...doesn't find it...)

Well, I guess that's just ... (puts on sunglasses)... a dog-gone shame.

You shouldn't have your dog service you in public.

AmazinTim: Her service dog honey makes things a little easier

mmmmmm... dog honey

And this is why capitalization of proper nouns is so important. It's the difference between:
1. I helped my Uncle Jack off his horse
2. I helped my uncle jack off his horse

/my mom's bf seriously considered getting his pug a service dog collar, so they could go into places like the post office
//common sense prevailed

Not the only Farkette serviced by a dog... amirite??

/so sorry

This country is so farked up. So, say someone takes a NON service dog into a store but says it's a service dog and it bites someone or shiats somewhere. That's ok, right?