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2012-06-12 09:06:46 AM
I wonder sometimes if nerds who clamor for a darker and intelligent Star Wars series have noticed we already have one.
 
2012-06-12 09:20:10 AM
I am impress.
 
2012-06-12 09:22:32 AM
The Clone Wars is probably the best thing that LucasFilm has been associated with for a long while. Far better than the films, and a lot more fun.

Sort of like Roughnecks did Starship Troopers a lot better than the movies...
 
2012-06-12 09:56:40 AM
"...while I turn a beloved Star Trek character into an embarrassing caricature!"
 
2012-06-12 09:56:57 AM

Confabulat: I wonder sometimes if nerds who clamor for a darker and intelligent Star Wars series have noticed we already have one.


^this

I'm of an age to have seen the IV-VI when they came out in theater, and I-III too. I never became the giant fan some do but I always enjoyed them. My son is pretty nutty for them, as a 14 year old should be. But the Clone Wars, we both watch together and it is really, really good. Not just as an animated series, not just as part of the SW universe, but as a stand alone show. SW fans, from raving to casual, who aren't checking this out are missing the best SW to come out since the first 3 were in theaters.
 
2012-06-12 10:00:37 AM
It's a shame that movie (and many of the first season episodes) were so bad, that seems to have put a lot of people off.

But since Season 2 (even late season 1) the show's really matured nicely and managed to get better pretty much every year. Yes there's a few mis-steps and bad episodes here and there, but that's to be expected. Overall it's a pretty terrific series and is pretty much what every wanted out of the prequels in the first place.
 
2012-06-12 10:02:51 AM

NeedlesslyCanadian: It's a shame that movie (and many of the first season episodes) were so bad, that seems to have put a lot of people off.

But since Season 2 (even late season 1) the show's really matured nicely and managed to get better pretty much every year. Yes there's a few mis-steps and bad episodes here and there, but that's to be expected. Overall it's a pretty terrific series and is pretty much what every wanted out of the prequels in the first place.


Agreed. I remember watching one of the first shows and it had Jar Jar Binks at his worst. Didn't watch it again until season 3, and it was like it was a different show entirely.
 
2012-06-12 10:03:13 AM
*pretty much what everybody wanted
 
2012-06-12 10:03:34 AM
I lost interest and stopped watching for a while and I'm a card carrying member of the 501st.
The Ryloth trilogy was one of the best stories they did.
Hope it does get better. It's making the prequels seem better.
 
2012-06-12 10:09:13 AM
I've got a Star Wars question to ask that always comes to mind when I see lightsaber duels on screen but don't know where to ask it. I suppose a fark SW thread would work.

It seems that the fighting with lightsabers has always followed some form of fencing or striking familiar to Earth. Wouldn't the fact you can turn a light saber off and on quickly change that some? A steel sword, or a double-ended spear (like Maul's) are solid and cannot shut off or retract. If you were coming downward overhead with a steel sword towards an opponent's shoulder and he lifted his sword up to block it, there is going to be a meeting of steel somewhere. But if you were coming down with a lightsaber, and just before contact with the raised blocking sword you turned the saber off, passed his raised weapon then turned it on again so the laser part jumped out into his chest, is that a viable move? I'd like to say I'm not a geek but the wondering of why there seems to be no difference in steel sword and lightsaber fighting might beg to differ.
 
2012-06-12 10:13:24 AM

Zombie DJ: I lost interest and stopped watching for a while and I'm a card carrying member of the 501st.
The Ryloth trilogy was one of the best stories they did.
Hope it does get better. It's making the prequels seem better.


The Ryloth trilogy was definitely the highlight of Season 1 IMO. Great stuff.

Some Season 2 highlights:
Cad Bane trilogy (2.01-03)
Boba Fett revenge trilogy (2.20-22)

Season 3:
Clone troopers trilogy (3.01, 1.05, 3.02)
Nightsisters trilogy (3.12-14)
Citadel trilogy (2.18-20, first ref'd in the clone troopers trilogy and featuring a cold young Tarkin)

Season 4:
Umbara quadrilogy (4.07-10)
Ventress/Savage quadrilogy (4.19-22, a sequel/followup to the Nightsisters trilogy in Season 3)
 
2012-06-12 10:13:28 AM

rudemix: I've got a Star Wars question to ask that always comes to mind when I see lightsaber duels on screen but don't know where to ask it. I suppose a fark SW thread would work.

It seems that the fighting with lightsabers has always followed some form of fencing or striking familiar to Earth. Wouldn't the fact you can turn a light saber off and on quickly change that some? A steel sword, or a double-ended spear (like Maul's) are solid and cannot shut off or retract. If you were coming downward overhead with a steel sword towards an opponent's shoulder and he lifted his sword up to block it, there is going to be a meeting of steel somewhere. But if you were coming down with a lightsaber, and just before contact with the raised blocking sword you turned the saber off, passed his raised weapon then turned it on again so the laser part jumped out into his chest, is that a viable move? I'd like to say I'm not a geek but the wondering of why there seems to be no difference in steel sword and lightsaber fighting might beg to differ.


Remind me not to get into a light saber fight with rudemix. He cheats.
 
2012-06-12 10:17:38 AM
I've never seen any of the Clone Wars shows. Do I need to start with season one or can I jump in somewhere in the middle and catch on?
 
2012-06-12 10:24:40 AM

rudemix: I've got a Star Wars question to ask that always comes to mind when I see lightsaber duels on screen but don't know where to ask it. I suppose a fark SW thread would work.

It seems that the fighting with lightsabers has always followed some form of fencing or striking familiar to Earth. Wouldn't the fact you can turn a light saber off and on quickly change that some? A steel sword, or a double-ended spear (like Maul's) are solid and cannot shut off or retract. If you were coming downward overhead with a steel sword towards an opponent's shoulder and he lifted his sword up to block it, there is going to be a meeting of steel somewhere. But if you were coming down with a lightsaber, and just before contact with the raised blocking sword you turned the saber off, passed his raised weapon then turned it on again so the laser part jumped out into his chest, is that a viable move? I'd like to say I'm not a geek but the wondering of why there seems to be no difference in steel sword and lightsaber fighting might beg to differ.


I would guess it's like a flashlight. Do I want to take the chance the saber turns off but something goes wrong and it doesn't turn back on?
 
2012-06-12 10:25:13 AM

VimFuego: I've never seen any of the Clone Wars shows. Do I need to start with season one or can I jump in somewhere in the middle and catch on?


The show is made up of a lot of mini-arcs--duologies and trilogies and quadrilogies abound. Some of them (particularly the more recent, sequel ones) start referencing the related story that they follow, but the show has no massive overriding arc like shows like B5 or BSG.
 
2012-06-12 10:26:52 AM

Confabulat: I wonder sometimes if nerds who clamor for a darker and intelligent Star Wars series have noticed we already have one.


I enjoy Clone Wars, but the fantasy is ruined for me by the fact that the Jedis are working for the bad guys the whole time.

And it's not even that the truth is being hidden by the Sith. It's that the Jedi are shown their folly multiple times, but refuse to even admit they are wrong.
 
2012-06-12 10:28:08 AM
Yes, it is a shame that the Clone Wars movie made no money. It was really awsome and the TV series is amazing. Every Star Wars fan should be watching it no matter how old they are.
And if you have never seen the show you need to start with the movie and then start with season 1. Don't jump in the middle. Lost, you will be.
 
2012-06-12 10:28:23 AM
I'm so far behind on this that I think the last time I watched it regularly was in season 2.
 
2012-06-12 10:49:19 AM

rudemix: I've got a Star Wars question to ask that always comes to mind when I see lightsaber duels on screen but don't know where to ask it. I suppose a fark SW thread would work.

It seems that the fighting with lightsabers has always followed some form of fencing or striking familiar to Earth. Wouldn't the fact you can turn a light saber off and on quickly change that some? A steel sword, or a double-ended spear (like Maul's) are solid and cannot shut off or retract. If you were coming downward overhead with a steel sword towards an opponent's shoulder and he lifted his sword up to block it, there is going to be a meeting of steel somewhere. But if you were coming down with a lightsaber, and just before contact with the raised blocking sword you turned the saber off, passed his raised weapon then turned it on again so the laser part jumped out into his chest, is that a viable move? I'd like to say I'm not a geek but the wondering of why there seems to be no difference in steel sword and lightsaber fighting might beg to differ.


As I recall that is an established lightsaber tactic called trakata. It isn't used by the Jedi much because they feel it's too deceptive. The Sith don't normally use is because it calls for cunning in the midst of battle, which a number of sith are unable to do properly.
 
2012-06-12 10:57:59 AM

bamph: As I recall that is an established lightsaber tactic called trakata


The only counter to that tactic is gymkata

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-12 11:06:23 AM

Tax Boy: bamph: As I recall that is an established lightsaber tactic called trakata

The only counter to that tactic is gymkata

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Winnar is yuo!!!! + 100 bonus zenny...


But yeah - the show started kinda lame but has consistently gotten better over the seasons. Yes, there are moments where one must groan because you can tell it's a place where Lucas sadly had to put in one of his silly ideas, but in general, it has a surprisingly interesting and adult tone. Very cool now.
 
2012-06-12 11:27:30 AM

Zombie DJ: rudemix: I've got a Star Wars question to ask that always comes to mind when I see lightsaber duels on screen but don't know where to ask it.

I would guess it's like a flashlight. Do I want to take the chance the saber turns off but something goes wrong and it doesn't turn back on?


That would indeed suck.

bamph: rudemix: I've got a Star Wars question to ask that always comes to mind when I see lightsaber duels on screen but don't know where to ask it.

As I recall that is an established lightsaber tactic called trakata. It isn't used by the Jedi much because they feel it's too deceptive. The Sith don't normally use is because it calls for cunning in the midst of battle, which a number of sith are unable to do properly.


Thank you. I should have known the SW universe had this covered.
 
2012-06-12 11:34:45 AM
I saw those cartoon network shorts ages ago... and was actually kind of shocked. They were decent.
They didn't try to answer every question, explain every detail, they just did their thing and it was good.
Samurai Jack animation style just made it seem all the more removed from the bizarre material on the big screen.
 
2012-06-12 11:47:13 AM

bamph: As I recall that is an established lightsaber tactic called trakata. It isn't used by the Jedi much because they feel it's too deceptive. The Sith don't normally use is because it calls for cunning in the midst of battle, which a number of sith are unable to do properly.



Congratulations! You're the biggest nerd on Fark.
 
2012-06-12 12:07:23 PM

rudemix: It seems that the fighting with lightsabers has always followed some form of fencing or striking familiar to Earth. Wouldn't the fact you can turn a light saber off and on quickly change that some? A steel sword, or a double-ended spear (like Maul's) are solid and cannot shut off or retract. If you were coming downward overhead with a steel sword towards an opponent's shoulder and he lifted his sword up to block it, there is going to be a meeting of steel somewhere. But if you were coming down with a lightsaber, and just before contact with the raised blocking sword you turned the saber off, passed his raised weapon then turned it on again so the laser part jumped out into his chest, is that a viable move? I'd like to say I'm not a geek but the wondering of why there seems to be no difference in steel sword and lightsaber fighting might beg to differ.


I think at issue is the fact they don't snap on and off very quickly. The blade retracts and extends slowly enough you can easily watch it with the naked eye. In your scenario the blade would either be still be in the process of retracting and it the other blade, or if it was already reduced far enough to avoid contact with the other blade would certianly not have enough time to extend back out before the other fighter lopped off your head.
 
2012-06-12 12:15:31 PM
Why doesn't someone make a suit with small lightsabers sticking out all over the place like hedgehog bristles?

You'd be near blasterproof, and you wouldn't have to be a great swordsman, since you could just hug people to death.

That's the best way to defeat The Dark Side anyways....with hugs.
 
2012-06-12 12:29:52 PM

Confabulat: I wonder sometimes if nerds who clamor for a darker and intelligent Star Wars series have noticed we already have one.


I kinda hope it doesn't get too much darker or I'm gonna have to revisit my decision to let my boys watch it. We're not into season 4 yet, but several episodes of season 3 were a little dicey.
 
2012-06-12 12:37:48 PM
done in one
 
2012-06-12 12:39:43 PM

WhackingDay: I kinda hope it doesn't get too much darker or I'm gonna have to revisit my decision to let my boys watch it.


blogs.seattleweekly.com

Come on.
 
2012-06-12 12:42:37 PM
Genndy Tartakovsky did it better.
 
2012-06-12 12:55:12 PM

Confabulat: I wonder sometimes if nerds who clamor for a darker and intelligent Star Wars series have noticed we already have one.


"Who cares how dark it is. My stool is dark, and my doctor says that's bad."

Honestly, what is with this ongoing fad that fiction has to be dark to be good? Episode I didn't suck because it wasn't serious enough; it sucked because, well, everything Plinkett said.
 
2012-06-12 12:57:39 PM

dragonchild: Confabulat: I wonder sometimes if nerds who clamor for a darker and intelligent Star Wars series have noticed we already have one.

"Who cares how dark it is. My stool is dark, and my doctor says that's bad."

Honestly, what is with this ongoing fad that fiction has to be dark to be good? Episode I didn't suck because it wasn't serious enough; it sucked because, well, everything Plinkett said.



You do understand that it's a series about a WAR that was designed first to undermine the Jedi's moral fiber (both in themselves and in the public perception), and then to both end the democracy and exterminate the Jedi Order utterly, right?

It's supposed to be dark! That's the farking subject material!
 
2012-06-12 12:59:13 PM

dragonchild: Episode I didn't suck because it wasn't serious enough; it sucked because, well, everything Plinkett said.


Oh God, with the Plinket shiat already. You people are like soccer moms and Oprah.
 
2012-06-12 01:02:03 PM

Mugato: WhackingDay: I kinda hope it doesn't get too much darker or I'm gonna have to revisit my decision to let my boys watch it.

[blogs.seattleweekly.com image 300x300]

Come on.


Well, they're 6 and 4, so...
 
2012-06-12 01:10:25 PM

WhackingDay: Mugato: WhackingDay: I kinda hope it doesn't get too much darker or I'm gonna have to revisit my decision to let my boys watch it.

[blogs.seattleweekly.com image 300x300]

Come on.

Well, they're 6 and 4, so...


I saw a re-release of Jaws when I was two, Alien when I was three, what do you think is going to happen to them?
 
2012-06-12 01:25:12 PM

Mugato: Oh God, with the Plinket shiat already. You people are like soccer moms and Oprah.


Two things that happen in every Star Wars thread related to the prequels:

1. People bring up the Plinkett Reviews
2. Mugato white knights the Prequels

Neither of these are necessarily bad, but both are as predictable as the day is long. I don't think anything better captures the repetitive nature of Fark.
 
2012-06-12 01:28:32 PM

WhackingDay: Confabulat: I wonder sometimes if nerds who clamor for a darker and intelligent Star Wars series have noticed we already have one.

I kinda hope it doesn't get too much darker or I'm gonna have to revisit my decision to let my boys watch it. We're not into season 4 yet, but several episodes of season 3 were a little dicey.


The themes are a bit dark especially with the Darth Maul stuff and the Bounty Hunter Arc in season 4, I have a policy in my house where I review it first before the kids get to see it... given that Comcrap does a pretty good job with keeping up with it with the OnDemand service it works out well for us.
 
2012-06-12 01:32:05 PM

NeedlesslyCanadian: You do understand that it's a series about a WAR that was designed first to undermine the Jedi's moral fiber (both in themselves and in the public perception), and then to both end the democracy and exterminate the Jedi Order utterly, right? It's supposed to be dark! That's the farking subject material!


Ever seen M*A*S*H? Extremely dark subject material and the show definitely serioused at times, but overall it's a comedy. Not saying the Clone Wars should be comedy, just attacking the simple-minded assumption that shiat's gotta be dark.

Not saying dark is bad, either. Qualifying dark as an automatic improvement is retarded. It's just a tone. It by itself improves nothing; it's just a style. Farkers lauding dark tone in media as inherently great sounds as stupid as some crazy rap fan saying it makes EVERYTHING better, so, like, we should do all Shakespeare plays as rap because rap makes everything better. It's seriously that idiotic without any hint of exaggeration. In both cases it's a subjective preference for a given style. I've nothing against people who like a certain style, but no style is inherently good. Hell, Episode III was "dark" and that movie was downright awful.

Mugato: Oh God, with the Plinket shiat already. You people are like soccer moms and Oprah.


Who are "you guys"? I cite Plinkett because frankly it's an entertaining and yet a very thorough undressing of the films. Whenever there's a discussion on how flawed the Star Wars prequels are, it's convenient to cite Plinkett. I'm not going to hunt down a different citation just to please you.
 
2012-06-12 01:35:53 PM

rudemix: I've got a Star Wars question to ask that always comes to mind when I see lightsaber duels on screen but don't know where to ask it. I suppose a fark SW thread would work.

It seems that the fighting with lightsabers has always followed some form of fencing or striking familiar to Earth. Wouldn't the fact you can turn a light saber off and on quickly change that some? A steel sword, or a double-ended spear (like Maul's) are solid and cannot shut off or retract. If you were coming downward overhead with a steel sword towards an opponent's shoulder and he lifted his sword up to block it, there is going to be a meeting of steel somewhere. But if you were coming down with a lightsaber, and just before contact with the raised blocking sword you turned the saber off, passed his raised weapon then turned it on again so the laser part jumped out into his chest, is that a viable move? I'd like to say I'm not a geek but the wondering of why there seems to be no difference in steel sword and lightsaber fighting might beg to differ.


the cut of your jib sir, i like it.

+1 internets
 
2012-06-12 01:41:03 PM

dragonchild: Ever seen M*A*S*H? Extremely dark subject material and the show definitely serioused at times, but overall it's a comedy. Not saying the Clone Wars should be comedy, just attacking the simple-minded assumption that shiat's gotta be dark.


You and I must have watched very different runs of M*A*S*H or you stopped watching after the first couple seasons. In fact, M*A*S*H is probably a perfect example of the evolution the Clone Wars series is following. More lighthearted at the beginning, but increasingly more dark as the seasons go on.
 
2012-06-12 01:41:45 PM
Mugato:dragonchild: Episode I didn't suck because it wasn't serious enough; it sucked because, well, everything Plinkett said.

Oh God, with the Plinket shiat already. You people are like soccer moms and Oprah.



Soccer moms and Oprah agreed that the prequels were crap? I did not know that.


Anyway, when are we going to find out how Anakin's padawan dies? Does Anakin take her out himself? The Emporer? Jar-Jar in a bizarre blaster incident?
 
2012-06-12 01:52:07 PM

rudemix: Zombie DJ: rudemix: I've got a Star Wars question to ask that always comes to mind when I see lightsaber duels on screen but don't know where to ask it.

I would guess it's like a flashlight. Do I want to take the chance the saber turns off but something goes wrong and it doesn't turn back on?

That would indeed suck.

bamph: rudemix: I've got a Star Wars question to ask that always comes to mind when I see lightsaber duels on screen but don't know where to ask it.

As I recall that is an established lightsaber tactic called trakata. It isn't used by the Jedi much because they feel it's too deceptive. The Sith don't normally use is because it calls for cunning in the midst of battle, which a number of sith are unable to do properly.

Thank you. I should have known the SW universe had this covered.


you sir also get a nod for your jib being cut to my liking.

i applaud the idea that this technique would be viewed as 'low class' to jedi, but i'm not as certain that Sith wouldn't employ it. from what i understand, Sith are supposed to be masters of their surroundings. using objects around them to assist in battle. seems like this technique would be within their grasp.

just cause they embrace their emotions to make them more powerful doesn't mean they aren't thinking.
 
2012-06-12 02:11:39 PM

Shrugging Atlas: You and I must have watched very different runs of M*A*S*H or you stopped watching after the first couple seasons.


I'm not old enough to have watched it while it aired, so when I watched re-runs I honestly had no idea what episode was from what season.
 
2012-06-12 02:54:28 PM

rudemix: It seems that the fighting with lightsabers has always followed some form of fencing or striking familiar to Earth.


There's even more there than you probably realize. This has been disassembled and documented to death - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber_combat

Seven distinct forms, multiple specialized disciplines within each, each with differing philosophies, defensive tactics, and aesthetics.
 
2012-06-12 03:05:23 PM

rudemix: I've got a Star Wars question to ask that always comes to mind when I see lightsaber duels on screen but don't know where to ask it. I suppose a fark SW thread would work.

It seems that the fighting with lightsabers has always followed some form of fencing or striking familiar to Earth. Wouldn't the fact you can turn a light saber off and on quickly change that some? A steel sword, or a double-ended spear (like Maul's) are solid and cannot shut off or retract. If you were coming downward overhead with a steel sword towards an opponent's shoulder and he lifted his sword up to block it, there is going to be a meeting of steel somewhere. But if you were coming down with a lightsaber, and just before contact with the raised blocking sword you turned the saber off, passed his raised weapon then turned it on again so the laser part jumped out into his chest, is that a viable move? I'd like to say I'm not a geek but the wondering of why there seems to be no difference in steel sword and lightsaber fighting might beg to differ.


I don't think it's that simple. The timing of such a move is crucial, and frankly I would think it's chancy. When you're going against another swordsman, one of the first things you need to realize is that yes, you may be trained, but so is the other person. A semi-decent swordsman will be able to detect that mistake and adjust from a missed cut. Ordinarily, a block isn't a block, it's a deflection of the other's sword away (look up ukenagashi)from you, thereby increasing the distance and time you have to work with. A strategy like the one that you're describing does not have the benefit of that increase. So, your opponent misses, and corrects, leaving you with the split second it takes for your lightsaber to re-ignite. In that case, you're likely to be skewered.

For the Star Wars explanation, see above.

/Going for nidan in Muso-Jikiden Eishin Ryu later this year.
 
2012-06-12 03:13:42 PM

I'm an Egyptian!: Ordinarily, a block isn't a block, it's a deflection of the other's sword away (look up ukenagashi)from you, thereby increasing the distance and time you have to work with.



Unless of course one trained in any of the combat arts that attacks the hands and limbs instead of trying to go for the torso or head. For them there is no such thing as blocking, as properly done 'blocks' with an edged weapon aren't wasted on metal. Can't hold a weapon without hands.

Force against force into meat is good. Plus it decreases the time and beat count by half.

/shamed by discussing edged weapons
/shame++ because it is a light saber discussion
 
2012-06-12 03:35:12 PM

chuggernaught: Anyway, when are we going to find out how Anakin's padawan dies? Does Anakin take her out himself? The Emporer? Jar-Jar in a bizarre blaster incident?


I'd be amazed if she died in the course of the show. She'll probably go into hiding when the Jedi are slaughtered and turn up in a series of novels/comics/games/toys/etc.
 
2012-06-12 04:47:26 PM

dragonchild: Hell, Episode III was "dark" and that movie was downright awful.


Pretty much only hardcore fanboys think this. "Regular" people? Not so much. The opposite in fact. Each prequel grossed over $300 million.
80% Critics rating at Rotten Tomatoes

Who are "you guys"? I cite Plinkett because frankly it's an entertaining and yet a very thorough undressing of the films. Whenever there's a discussion on how flawed the Star Wars prequels are, it's convenient to cite Plinkett. I'm not going to hunt down a different citation just to please you.

You guys, the fanboys who hate the prequels and use Plinkett as your one and only trump card to validate your opinion. Except for you guys, NOBODY knows who he is or cares. So what if he tears apart the prequels? VERY few films can hold up to that kind of scrutiny, including a lot that you hold most dear.
 
2012-06-12 04:55:15 PM

peterthx: Each prequel grossed over $300 million.


So did Twilight.
 
2012-06-12 05:05:35 PM

dragonchild: peterthx: Each prequel grossed over $300 million.

So did Twilight.


Rotten Tomatoes Critics Rating: (People who watch and know the art of film, not raving butthurt fanboys complaining about "raped childhoods):

Twilight 1: 49%, 2: 49%, 3: 28%, 4: 25%

Star Wars Episode I: 57%, II: 67%, III: 80%

Point is "reular people" couldn't care less what a bunch of ranting internet basement dwellers think about Plinkett.

Interestingly VI (Jedi) is slightly less at 79%
 
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