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2012-06-12 08:59:03 AM  
Your elected officials are selling your jobs to Indians (mainly) like it was legal. Try not to elect them next time OK? If you can...
 
2012-06-12 09:07:17 AM  
We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.
 
2012-06-12 09:12:19 AM  
The H1B program is supposedly for jobs that Americans can't fill. Funny how the majority of them are grunts paid less than six figures and most are paid a lot less than the average American in the same position. It's almost like the tech industry is using it to depress wages. Strange, huh?
 
2012-06-12 09:13:45 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.


Three? Are you out of your mind? My company is demanding no less than 5 years experience on 2012 server AND Windows 8. Sounds like you're taking a real chance there.
 
2012-06-12 09:23:37 AM  
Foreigners are more intelligent and better trained for the type of jobs that H1B are intended for.
 
2012-06-12 09:29:19 AM  

hinten: Foreigners are more intelligent and better trained for the type of jobs that H1B are intended for.


Help desk work is very demanding.
 
2012-06-12 09:31:15 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: hinten: Foreigners are more intelligent and better trained for the type of jobs that H1B are intended for.

Help desk work is very demanding.


Apparently too demanding (or too demeaning for Americans).
 
2012-06-12 09:35:24 AM  

hinten: Marcus Aurelius: hinten: Foreigners are more intelligent and better trained for the type of jobs that H1B are intended for.

Help desk work is very demanding.

Apparently too demanding (or too demeaning for Americans).


The biggest problem with American tech workers is that they tend to know what everyone else in their position is making. You can pay foreigners significantly less and they won't complain about it. With underpaid Americans they whine, biatch, and then go to work elsewhere. They're bringing it on themselves.
 
2012-06-12 09:39:54 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.

Three? Are you out of your mind? My company is demanding no less than 5 years experience on 2012 server AND Windows 8. Sounds like you're taking a real chance there.


We require 10 years hands-on experience administering Windows 7 and Server 2008 in an enterprise environment. These damn kids don't know anything.
 
2012-06-12 09:54:42 AM  
We couldn't legalize slavery, so we invented the H1-B instead.
 
2012-06-12 09:56:00 AM  

make me some tea: Marcus Aurelius: rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.

Three? Are you out of your mind? My company is demanding no less than 5 years experience on 2012 server AND Windows 8. Sounds like you're taking a real chance there.

We require 10 years hands-on experience administering Windows 7 and Server 2008 in an enterprise environment. These damn kids don't know anything.


Our entry level positions start for people with 25 years experience. Senior positions require you to be a 3rd generation employee or more
 
2012-06-12 09:56:22 AM  
As an IT worker, this thread did not give me a kick.
 
2012-06-12 09:56:43 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.


I was going to take a shot at you for looking for three years' experience for an entry level position...

...but then I saw what you did there.
 
2012-06-12 09:58:10 AM  
"Foreigners are taken jobs away from Americans"

Steve: Apple boss, Designer, Unit of measurement.
 
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2012-06-12 09:59:01 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: iti


Greedy Americans don't want to work for third world wages. If we would just lower our standard of living below third world standards we would be more competitive.
 
2012-06-12 09:59:43 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.


3 years of experience != not keeping up with technology.

It very likely could mean employment at a company not updating their technology. Doesn't mean the DBA doesn't know his shiat.

Also -
1) deemphasize technical learning, under fund schools,
2) lower supply of workers,
3) break supply/demand curve by hiring underpaid foreigners who are locked to your job
4) Profit!
 
2012-06-12 10:01:32 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: hinten: Foreigners are more intelligent and better trained for the type of jobs that H1B are intended for.

Help desk work is very demanding.


Depending on the specifics, it can be. I do it. I also get paid a fine, fine wage for doing it. That said, my company is Canadian, so that might be why.
 
2012-06-12 10:03:13 AM  

SexOnTV: As an IT worker, this thread did not give me a kick.


as an IT worker this thread does give me a kick

/in the junk.
 
2012-06-12 10:03:38 AM  
What is a 'taken job' and how does a person (foreigner) be it?

/Does it involve Liam Neeson?
 
2012-06-12 10:05:20 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.


I've seen similar problems. Due to outsourcing the lower levels, we're not growing the higher-end positions. I think we need to start with the geeks right out of high school and build their careers from there. Skip college unless you want to go into IT Management. Out of high school we can compete with India for the low-end positions. In the 4-5 years it would take them to get a degree, they'll be be skilled IT workers making good coin.
 
2012-06-12 10:05:38 AM  
Good lord I never thought such an awful headline would go green.
 
2012-06-12 10:06:11 AM  

Deneb81: rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.

3 years of experience != not keeping up with technology.

It very likely could mean employment at a company not updating their technology. Doesn't mean the DBA doesn't know his shiat.

Also -
1) deemphasize technical learning, under fund schools,
2) lower supply of workers,
3) break supply/demand curve by hiring underpaid foreigners who are locked to your job
4) Profit!


Swoosh!!!!
 
2012-06-12 10:06:29 AM  

Deneb81: rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.

3 years of experience != not keeping up with technology.

It very likely could mean employment at a company not updating their technology. Doesn't mean the DBA doesn't know his shiat.

Also -
1) deemphasize technical learning, under fund schools,
2) lower supply of workers,
3) break supply/demand curve by hiring underpaid foreigners who are locked to your job
4) Profit!


thebreakthrough.org
 
2012-06-12 10:07:31 AM  

make me some tea: Good lord I never thought such an awful headline would go green.


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2012-06-12 10:09:12 AM  
If the problem is that foreigners are taking our jobs, and we ran out of visas to give to foreigners who are taking our jobs, didn't the problem just fix itself?
 
2012-06-12 10:11:14 AM  
Some may say this feels like the first time they are hearing this news, I'm sure this will make many Americans hot blooded and seeing double vision. Even though it seems cold as ice to say, these foreigners are a long, long way from home.
 
2012-06-12 10:13:01 AM  

Obiwontaun: Some may say this feels like the first time they are hearing this news, I'm sure this will make many Americans hot blooded and seeing double vision. Even though it seems cold as ice to say, these foreigners are a long, long way from home.


I think you dropped this...

sandwichcontrol.com
 
2012-06-12 10:16:04 AM  
Show me an Indian H-1B visa holder, and I'll show you an owner of a Toyota Camry.
 
2012-06-12 10:16:15 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: They're bringing it on themselves.


fark you. We have to do more and more ourselves, working longer and longer hours with less and less down time instead of companies hiring adequate staff and resources. We deserve every penny that we can manage to pry out of ignorant CIO yes men.

---

Illegals take jobs Americans are "too proud" to do:
THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JORBS!!"

Legal immigrants taking jobs legally: 'THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JORBS - STILL. AND COMPLETELY FAIRLY - BUT STILL!"
 
2012-06-12 10:16:52 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.


I can send you a resume that meets those requirements. Hell, I can claim I've been using SQL Server 2012 for the last 20 years, if you want.
 
2012-06-12 10:20:20 AM  
I used to work for the NIH administrating visas for foreign scientists, and I'm getting a kick out of the almost deranged resentment of the H1-B program.

/Any libertarian who hates it needs to have their head shoved into a wood chipper
 
2012-06-12 10:21:42 AM  

vygramul: Any libertarian who hates it needs to have their head shoved into a wood chipper


/i can't be the only one
 
2012-06-12 10:22:17 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012


We expect everyone to be proficient in SQL Server 2020 running on Winux 2018 and the D++ (ISO 2016) programming language. Yeah, the only people who qualify are from India.
 
2012-06-12 10:22:18 AM  
Well not everyone can be juke box heros. Don't get all hot blooded that people aren't hiring a bunch of dirty white boys. I think subby is going to get double vision if he keeps playing these head games
 
2012-06-12 10:24:11 AM  

LazarusLong42: rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.

I was going to take a shot at you for looking for three years' experience for an entry level position...

...but then I saw what you did there.


Yeah, you think it's a joke until you start reading Dice job ads. It's a real method to get H-1B visas for your slaves. There is no vetting process to see if a) the job requirements are realistic b)the recipients actually have the skills.
 
2012-06-12 10:28:11 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Well not everyone can be juke box heros. Don't get all hot blooded that people aren't hiring a bunch of dirty white boys. I think subby is going to get double vision if he keeps playing these head games


I have an urgent need to hit the "funny" button.
 
2012-06-12 10:28:34 AM  
Well, duh. They educated their citizens and we've done nothing but create a bumper crop of dumbasses.
 
2012-06-12 10:29:04 AM  
Foreigners are taken have tooken jobs away from Americans.

ftfy, dumbass-mitter
 
2012-06-12 10:30:13 AM  
So long, I've been looking too hard, I've been waiting too long. Sometimes I don't know what I will find, I only know it's a matter of time.

When you love someone Before I find a job.
 
2012-06-12 10:32:26 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Marcus Aurelius: They're bringing it on themselves.

fark you. We have to do more and more ourselves, working longer and longer hours with less and less down time instead of companies hiring adequate staff and resources. We deserve every penny that we can manage to pry out of ignorant CIO yes men.

---

Illegals take jobs Americans are "too proud" to do:
THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JORBS!!"

Legal immigrants taking jobs legally: 'THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JORBS - STILL. AND COMPLETELY FAIRLY - BUT STILL!"


He's being sarcastic.
 
2012-06-12 10:32:48 AM  
I was a programmer, until I'd taken an arrow to the knee.
 
2012-06-12 10:33:03 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Marcus Aurelius: They're bringing it on themselves.

fark you. We have to do more and more ourselves, working longer and longer hours with less and less down time instead of companies hiring adequate staff and resources. We deserve every penny that we can manage to pry out of ignorant CIO yes men.

---

Illegals take jobs Americans are "too proud" to do:
THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JORBS!!"

Legal immigrants taking jobs legally: 'THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JORBS - STILL. AND COMPLETELY FAIRLY - BUT STILL!"


Whut part of legal don't you understand??? Them immigrants needs to learn teh eniglish if they wanna live hurr in 'murica. I don't speak no jeehad durka durka, buddy. You talking about DBA SQL MS server12 - I'm talkin' bout NASCAR and Budweiser, understand compadre.

I don't speak no Query language, I don't swing that way, Rajheeb. Now maybe you do and if you want to live your life in sin, you be my guest. God sheds his light on 'murica. You dun understand now ya'hur. So you go along with them thur elephant gods and Query language you just need to know this right hurr is one nation under God, the one with beard not the one with seven arms or a trunk. Capiche.
 
2012-06-12 10:34:14 AM  

Poopspasm: Well, duh. They educated their citizens and we've done nothing but create a bumper crop of dumbasses.


That biblical math should fix everything.
 
2012-06-12 10:36:28 AM  
Foreign students were getting 40% of US PhDs in science and engineering as of 2000 (Link); I think it's about 50% now. If we're awarding PhDs to them, why not keep them around?
 
2012-06-12 10:38:13 AM  

make me some tea: Good lord I never thought such an awful headline would go green.


The awful headline does go to an article written by Unknown Lamer that quotes Cowboy Robot, so there's that.
 
2012-06-12 10:40:08 AM  

wotthefark: I'm talkin' bout NASCAR and Budweiser


www.fairfaxunderground.com
 
2012-06-12 10:44:38 AM  
Given that more and more of our high-level degrees are going to foreigners rather than former truck-drivers, is it any wonder we're giving those foreigners are getting more jobs that those same good honest Americans would never qualify for in the first place?
 
2012-06-12 10:44:52 AM  
I am a DBA and where I work we just hired 3 H1B's (2 from China, one from India) as programmers. We needed people who were proficient in a specific language (CCL- Cerner Control Language). Sure enough it came out that we could have found people where proficient in it that were not H1B's. But it is a lot cheaper to go the H1B route, and they dont biatch about work / life balance that American employees want. Silly people dont want to be oncall 24/7 and not work 50-60 hour weeks.
 
2012-06-12 10:46:51 AM  

Lost Thought 00: make me some tea: Marcus Aurelius: rumpelstiltskin: We've been trying to hire a junior DBA with 3 years of experience on SQL Server 2012, and the only resumes we get that meet that requirement are Indians. What are we supposed to do? If you Americans aren't willing to keep up with technology, we have no choice but to leave you behind.

Three? Are you out of your mind? My company is demanding no less than 5 years experience on 2012 server AND Windows 8. Sounds like you're taking a real chance there.

We require 10 years hands-on experience administering Windows 7 and Server 2008 in an enterprise environment. These damn kids don't know anything.

Our entry level positions start for people with 25 years experience. Senior positions require you to be a 3rd generation employee or more


My company hires only the undead. The undead with several centuries of experience in Windows 7 and Server 2008. Plus they have to be able to stare at the sun. Vampires are notoriously poor employees.
 
2012-06-12 10:47:25 AM  
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I made this just for this thread.
 
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