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2012-06-12 12:57:27 PM  

Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


And to be PROUD to be employed by and associated with an organization for a decade that not only turned a blind eye to but actively covered up years of child rape...

This speaks poorly of his character.
 
2012-06-12 12:58:27 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

Tonight would be convenient.


Wait a bit. I was all the victims who wish to do so to have the ability to confront him in court and tell the world what he did to them.
 
2012-06-12 12:58:32 PM  

Maud Dib: CapeFearCadaver: factoryconnection: The guy in the costume with the "keep quiet" sign might be satirizing the cover up. I'd hope so.

Well, it is a pedo-bear costume, so....

Last year's Cotton Bowl, UH vs. Penn State. I know the guy who wore the costume. It went viral on most sports related forums. Pretty sure it got on Fark also.


Nice. Yeah, it had to have made Fark at some point, I don't really go anywhere else.
 
2012-06-12 01:01:40 PM  

WTF Indeed: I don't know which threads will be more entertaining, these threads or when all the political fallout comes down from Corbett hiding this case while he was AG.

Bonusgate > Child Rape.


I'm not clear about timelines on this, but wasn't Corbett part of the Board of Trustees, as well? As someone with a career in academia, I find it impossible to believe that at least some members of the Board weren't completely knowledgeable about the accusations, and generally knowedgeable about what was going on. I think the administrators involved deserve whatever happens to them, but the board deserves at least that much as well, and so far it looks like they're getting away with just tossing people under the bus.
 
2012-06-12 01:04:21 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Krymson Tyde: I find it hard to believe he would intentionally commit career suicide by repeatedly displaying ineptness, but who knows?

He got a 16 year old client pregnant (later married her). If he's willing to risk career suicide by getting a 16 year old client pregnant, what makes you think he wouldn't risk career suicide in this case?


Men will risk a lot for sexual satisfaction- see also Bill Clinton, Jerry Sandusky- but what does Sandusky have to offer him in that area? He isn't a teenage girl and I doubt he has access to any.
 
2012-06-12 01:05:40 PM  
Where's the hero tag for the witness? Because getting up and talking about that, damn does he deserve it.
 
2012-06-12 01:05:43 PM  

namegoeshere: StoneColdAtheist: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

Tonight would be convenient.

Wait a bit. I was all the victims who wish to do so to have the ability to confront him in court and tell the world what he did to them.


How the hell does WANT turn into WAS??
 
2012-06-12 01:06:24 PM  
Like someone said upthread.... it boggles the mind why this wasn't fixed back in '02 if not in '98. PSU could have been very open with this back then and sent Jerry up Shiat's Creek with a turd for a paddle. There would have been some negative publicity for the school, sure... but at least Penn State could go on exclaiming how the school is the pinnacle of integrity, how even when something goes sour, the school does the right thing and makes things right without prodding from the outside. There would have been no coverup, and PSU would have been off the hook for the massive civil payouts that are now coming their way.

But no, these people decided to cover it up until shiat blew wide open. The rest of the university will now pay the price for the farkups of these few people. To think I was a student there sleeping in a dorm not far from where all this shiat went down sickens me. Fark Sandusky, fark Spanier, fark Schulze, fark Curley. McQueary at least did blow the whistle on up the chain, but he should have called the police. Same for JoePa. I don't hate on those two as much as the others, but man, they farked up bad.

I still believe, though, that this would have been swept under the rug even if they had called police... even in Harrisburg. But had McQueary and Paterno just done the needful, they could've at least claimed that they tried to do right.
 
2012-06-12 01:14:29 PM  

Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


I'm so impressed by all the folks who are sure about what they would do in such a situation. All the people who have, of course, never been in such a situation, who have never had to blow a hole in the environment of reified masculinity they were raised to worship-- all these people are so sure they would do a better job in McQeary's shoes.

My own personal experience in my 44 years of living (looking at myself, and others in some pretty tough situations) is that, when faced with ethical challenges and scary situations, most people are pussies. Most people are not going to do what puts their job at risk, or puts their family at risk, or (and I think this was McQeary's case) puts the very structures of identity upon which they have based their lives at risk. Rather, most people are going to talk themselves out of doing the right thing with rationalizations, self doubt, and hopes that others who are higher up are already taking care of it. It isn't right, but it's what happens--ALL THE TIME. To good people and to bad people. To people just like you.

That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.

Meanwhile, the more people vilify him, the less likely it is that other people in similar situations are going to risk speaking up.

I realize, however, that being an internet tough guy is really gratifying, and that the adrenalin surge you get from being outraged at others' shortcomings offers a nice high. This is Fark, after all, so you go ahead and massage your self-righteousness with the untested assurance that you would always succeed where many others have failed.

Or you could grow up.
 
2012-06-12 01:16:12 PM  
I have the weirdest boner.
 
2012-06-12 01:17:19 PM  

farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.


Doing the common decent thing isn't heroism it's your duty in a civilized society; just as is being a fair juror, or paying taxes.
 
2012-06-12 01:19:28 PM  

Yamaneko2: The juror profiles may be Sandusky's saving grace. Link However bad his lawyer is at cross-examination, he's quite good at juror selection.

Juror #7 is a Penn State senior who "works at a Penn State athletic facility and knows Steve Turchetta, the Clinton County high school coach who hired Sandusky as a volunteer assistant. He came to the courthouse wearing a navy T-shirt that read "Penn State archery." His cousin played football at Penn State under Joe Paterno and his mother works in the State College Area School District."

Juror #10 "is an administrative assistant at Penn State's College of Engineering"

Juror #11 "A dance teacher in Penn State's continuing education program ... She occasionally has conversations about the case with her husband, who is a media specialist at a transportation center at Penn State. She knows Kelly Hastings, a potential witness. "

Juror #12 "A female Penn State professor for 24 years who had a professional relationship with former president Graham Spanier, but the two had no social interaction."

That means Jurors #7 and possibly #11 are employed without tenure at Penn State, which means that Penn State can retaliate without consequence to itself. Hopefully Juror #10 has a good union, and Juror #12 has tenure.

It could be OJ and Casey Anthony all over again.


Do you really think Penn State is still in Sandusky's corner? It seems to me that the best thing for Penn State would be a speedy trial, with a quick guilty verdict. It's the fastest way to get past the public attention on this case and on the university.

I'm speculating, but I imagine the Penn State community wants Sandusky's head on a plate.
 
2012-06-12 01:22:20 PM  

namegoeshere: StoneColdAtheist: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

Tonight would be convenient.

Wait a bit. I was all the victims who wish to do so to have the ability to confront him in court and tell the world what he did to them.


Good point...wouldn't want to deny those who wish to the opportunity to confront him before he blows his brains out. Of course, if he had a conscience in the first place he would never had done what he did, so we are unlikely to have the satisfaction of reading one morning that he's offed himself.
 
2012-06-12 01:24:40 PM  

farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.


10/10
 
2012-06-12 01:30:35 PM  

lohphat: farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.

Doing the common decent thing isn't heroism it's your duty in a civilized society; just as is being a fair juror, or paying taxes.


Paying taxes and serving jury duty aren't "decent things" that people do out of the goodness of their hearts. They are required to do those things by law. People do them because they would go to jail or be fined otherwise. A lot of the time they don't even perform those minimal civic duties anyway... Jesus, they can't even be bothered to vote most of the time.

There are lots of people out there, right now, who know about abuses, but they are not coming forward and their lives are going to be just fine. They won't go to jail. They won't be fined. They won't be lambasted by thousands of strangers for being too slow in reporting. Their families won't be bothered at banks and grocery stores and schools--that is their reward for doing the wrong thing. McQueary's reward for doing the right thing (admittedly, terribly late), is crap from every inexplicably superior internet dufus with fantasies of ethical flawlessness.
 
2012-06-12 01:32:00 PM  

grinding_journalist: dletter: Yeah, might be this too. You have a client that you basically know (or feel) like it dead guilty, but, they insist (maybe have themselves convinced in their own mind) that they haven't done anything wrong, so, you have to go forward. From the looks of it, he hasn't even attempted any sort of defense... he's actually said things and allowed witnesses to say things like he is the prosecution.

My brother recently sat in on a negotiation session with one of the senior partners in his firm, the federal prosecutor, and a guy who had been arrested for manufacture and sale of meth. In Missouri (not that it isn't elsewhere) meth is something of a problem, and as such, the authorities generally don't take too kindly to someone with 6 kilos of crystal, 50,000 tablets, and the equipment and facilities to manufacture and distribute it. (whoda thunk?)

The prosecutor came into the room, and asked the guy his name, address, birthday, place of birth, etc. He then tossed a folio of photos on the table, the first of which was the front of the guys' house; the prosecutor asked him to confirm that this was his place of residence; he did. The rest of the photos where like frames from a point and click adventure game, where one click moves you 6 feet forward- next one was at the door, door open, stepping inside, inside view, etc. These photos chronicled his meth manufacturing setup, as well as vast quantities of finished drug. The prosecutor then explained that there was no way he'd win in court, so why not deal? Give up two of your distribution contacts, go into rehab, house arrest for 6 months (or something, detention not in jail) and 5 years of probation with drug tests, home visits, etc.

My brother and his partner were SHOCKED. No jail time, from a FEDERAL case? That never happens, especially with drugs, even more so with this quantity, and doubly more so in Missouri. They strongly advised the client take the deal, as there was NO WAY he'd do better in court.

His response ...


Give up two of your distribution contacts

Depending on who these distribution contacts were, he'd probably be on a quick train to deadville. Not everyone can be as bad ass of a meth cook as Walter White.

Quick death for giving up your distributors... or have a life in jail? Guess some will choose life.
 
2012-06-12 01:33:57 PM  

lohphat: farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.

Doing the common decent thing isn't heroism it's your duty in a civilized society; just as is being a fair juror, or paying taxes.


It might not be heroic, but I imagine the number of people willing throw away everything they've worked to build in the previous 30 years to do the decent thing is pretty small.
 
2012-06-12 01:42:56 PM  
I hope I'm never in the position of McQueary or the parents of these kids. I am very lucky to have never been in the position of these kids.

If I ever do witness anything like this, I hope I am strong enough to call the cops, CYS, and anyone else I can think of to protect the young people involved.

No one should ever have to put up with that in their lives. I hope this trial gives a measure of peace to all the people who were negatively impacted by the events.

I'm a father, and I don't have a clue how I would react to someone forcing this type of situation on my kids. It makes me sick to think about it.
 
2012-06-12 01:43:50 PM  

kronicfeld: Inept? He's fighting a tank with a toothpick. When all of the facts are stacked against you, even the best lawyer in the world isn't going to have a good day in court. I strongly suspect that Amendola advised his client to take whatever deal he could get from the Commonwealth, but Sandusky insists on fighting it.


This. A lawyer's job, at least under adversarial systems of trial, is to make the best possible arguments for his side of the case (or her side, as the case may be). For all that these arguments sound weak and inept, I strongly suspect that they really are the best one can make for Sandusky.
 
2012-06-12 01:45:18 PM  

funzyr: I hope I'm never in the position of McQueary or the parents of these kids. I am very lucky to have never been in the position of these kids.

If I ever do witness anything like this, I hope I am strong enough to call the cops, CYS, and anyone else I can think of to protect the young people involved.

No one should ever have to put up with that in their lives. I hope this trial gives a measure of peace to all the people who were negatively impacted by the events.

I'm a father, and I don't have a clue how I would react to someone forcing this type of situation on my kids. It makes me sick to think about it.


Yeah. This.
 
2012-06-12 01:45:47 PM  

Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


Yeah, I'd like to think that about myself, too. Unfortunately, that's not what McQueary saw. What he saw was a friend/coach/mentor that he had known as family in a close-knit team environment since childhood, doing something so unconscionable that he panicked.

Imagine yourself in that situation and it's your grandfather in the shower with a kid. If I didn't pass out completely, I am pretty sure I'd be in a dead sprint halfway across campus before my brain even began to sort out what I had just seen.
 
2012-06-12 01:46:38 PM  

farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.


That he came forward eventually is heroic, but it does not erase the sins he committed in delaying: it merely means that he came to his senses and his role in enabling this is over. That he finally did the right thing should be acknowledged and encouraged, but he still has much to answer for.
 
2012-06-12 01:47:05 PM  

Optimus Primate: Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...


Exactly why a bullet would have been an easier fix.
 
2012-06-12 01:47:40 PM  

Silly Jesus: Magorn: The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.

Wait, what? Seriously?

Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?


Oh good god I should have been clearer. The Second, most defintely the second. My argument was that the Church ran on Gay men in the 50's because of the societal/religious disapproval of homosexuality made the priesthood one of the few places a gay man could find a niche in society that was respectable, and didn't require him to construct an elaborate facade to appear "normal". Gay liberation in the 60's and 70's gave gay men the option of living openly and so the celibate route no longer appealed to many of those who would have been drawn to the Church in earlier decade.

By the mid -80's there was almost no one going into the Seminary anymore and many of those that were had serious issues that would have gotten them kicked out before that. Among that group were a large number of pedophiles who either saw the church as a way to get at their victims, or a way to run away from thier sexual urges.

The problem was UNLIKE Gay men, who had served the church very ably in the previous generation; pedophiles are mentally ill, and often not in real control of their sexual urges. It was The Church that was blind to this crucial difference, and unleashed the horror we are dealing with today
 
2012-06-12 01:48:39 PM  

funzyr: I hope I'm never in the position of McQueary or the parents of these kids. I am very lucky to have never been in the position of these kids.

If I ever do witness anything like this, I hope I am strong enough to call the cops, CYS, and anyone else I can think of to protect the young people involved.

No one should ever have to put up with that in their lives. I hope this trial gives a measure of peace to all the people who were negatively impacted by the events.

I'm a father, and I don't have a clue how I would react to someone forcing this type of situation on my kids. It makes me sick to think about it.


I agree. I'm a father as well, No clue what I'd do if someone dared to harm my daughter, but it would probably involve lots and lots of violence. If I ever witnessed something like that, I'm quite sure I would at the very least have the police on the phone at once. But then I don't work in a culture where work (football) is LIFE. I'd gladly lose my job if it meant protecting children. I don't understand why anyone would act any differently, but again I was not raised in an environment where something (football) is SO pervasive that it's literally the only thing that matters to many involved.

Not at all defending him, just trying to understand his mentality at the time.
 
2012-06-12 01:49:27 PM  

Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


Witnessing such an event may have placed Mr. McQueary in such a state of shock that he was later unable to establish whether the event had actually occurred or whether it was a hallucination.
 
2012-06-12 01:50:44 PM  

abhorrent1: I have the weirdest boner.


Want to wrestle and then get a nice hot shower?
 
2012-06-12 01:52:19 PM  

Jerkwater: Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.

Yeah, I'd like to think that about myself, too. Unfortunately, that's not what McQueary saw. What he saw was a friend/coach/mentor that he had known as family in a close-knit team environment since childhood, doing something so unconscionable that he panicked.

Imagine yourself in that situation and it's your grandfather in the shower with a kid. If I didn't pass out completely, I am pretty sure I'd be in a dead sprint halfway across campus before my brain even began to sort out what I had just seen.


I understand that, but I'm very old fashioned about certain things, and one of them is the defense of the weak and helpless. The minimum I would expect of myself, or anyone else in that situation is to take immediate and violent, if necessary, action to stop the attack on that child. Doing less than that, and in fact not immediately reporting what he knew to the police, makes him somewhat culpable for what happened to that child and some of Sandusky's subsequent victims. Now that does need to be balanced against the fact that he DID eventually speak up, and without him this prosecution might never have happened
 
2012-06-12 01:52:36 PM  

funzyr: If I ever do witness anything like this, I hope I am strong enough to call the cops, CYS, and anyone else I can think of to protect the young people involved.


Why wouldn't you be? Calling the cops on someone isn't a dishonorable act.
 
2012-06-12 01:54:55 PM  

Millennium: farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.

That he came forward eventually is heroic, but it does not erase the sins he committed in delaying: it merely means that he came to his senses and his role in enabling this is over. That he finally did the right thing should be acknowledged and encouraged, but he still has much to answer for.


The details are becomming muddied after so many fark thread rehashes. WHY did he come forward at this time, a decade later? Was it spontaneously, out of the goodness of his own heart, with no prompting other than realizing that the story needed to be told? Or was it because the story broke when a victim dosclosed, and the resulting investigation led back to the observed shower scene, and McQ's conversation with JoePa the next day?
 
2012-06-12 01:58:57 PM  

JackieRabbit: abhorrent1: I have the weirdest boner.

Want to wrestle and then get a nice hot shower?


Sorry about my penis getting in your mouth. Don'y know how that happened.
 
2012-06-12 01:59:47 PM  

Matthew Keene: JackieRabbit: abhorrent1: I have the weirdest boner.

Want to wrestle and then get a nice hot shower?

Sorry about my penis getting in your mouth. Don'y know how that happened.


dont talk while the kid is working
 
2012-06-12 02:06:17 PM  

fireclown: funzyr: If I ever do witness anything like this, I hope I am strong enough to call the cops, CYS, and anyone else I can think of to protect the young people involved.

Why wouldn't you be? Calling the cops on someone isn't a dishonorable act.


Because I understand that my mind doesn't work like that and I am afraid it might take at least a few days for me to do anything besides kick the perpetrator's teeth in.
 
2012-06-12 02:16:03 PM  

Felgraf:
Um, that second image is someone *making fun* of Penn state. That's a dude in a pedobear costume wearing that sign.



No kidding?

I threw that in there for the lulz, didn't mean to imply that he was lumped in with the Ped St. morans.
 
2012-06-12 02:18:19 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Based on what I read in the grand jury reports, I want his wife to go to jail, too.


Farking biatch knew about it. She needs to go to jail for the hell she let happen to these kids.


Link

Yesterday's testimony came from "Victim 4." Now 28, he has said Sandusky sexually abused him more than 50 times. At one point, he testified, Dottie Sandusky walked in on a bathroom encounter with the former coach.
 
2012-06-12 02:20:46 PM  
Running blog of the trial is here. They're currently on break until the top of the hour.

It's one of those updates where the latest stuff goes to the top, so start at the bottom and work your way up.

12:20 - #sandusky trial on break until 1pm

12:19 - CYS worker: #sandusky admitted he blew on 1's stomach. Denied sexual contact.

12:17 - She says 1 was nervous and maybe backwards, but very polite. By 2nd mtg with 1, there was enough shared to indicate child abuse

12:15 - Now up: Clinton County Children and Youth worker. She was called by school district of alleged victim 1

12:14 - Hotel manager dismissed, new hotel employee called. Says she was at pool with her grandchildren, saw #sandusky there with boy

12:12 - Grandfather is dismissed. Next witness is hotel employee who says she was advised to give #sandusky key to pool and gym for him and 2nd Mile kids

12:09 - Probably the only light moment so far today: describing a state trooper....accuser 1 said "he looks like Adam Sandler"

12:08 - On cross exam, 1 broke down again and asked Amendola to stop asking him the same questions over and over

12:05 - Grandfather of alleged victim 1 is called to the stand. 1's testimony lasted two hours

10:45 - Recess until 11am

10:43 - Like Accuser 4, 1 says he doesn't want to be here. He's now less emotional, instead getting a little defensive w Amendola.

10:43 - Amendola asks 1 why he has a civil attny. He answers his mom's boss advised them.

10:42 - Talking about coach interrupting them in wrestling case: "i felt relief - nothing was going to happen at a school"

10:40 - 1: one of the only nights I got decent sleep was when he was cracking my back and Dottie called downstairs and he stopped

10:39 - Cross examination of Alleged Victim 1 begins just before 10AM. Prosecution questioned him for one hour.

10:38 - 1: I was scared that with all his connections he could hurt me or someone close to me

10:37 - 1: school first told me "he has a heart of gold..." "they didn't believe me" Then we went to CYS.

10:36 - 1: My mom got worried when JS wouldn't stop calling. She set up an appt w my guidance counselor

10:34 - 1: One time I didn't meet him at school, he followed my bus, followed me when I got off at bus stop

10:33 - 1: Sandusky started showing up at my middle school, taking me out of school.

10:33 - He says by 2008 when he was in 9th grade he decided to start avoiding #Sandusky. He'd hide under pool table or in crawl space.

10:31 - Accuser 1 says he eventually quit football even though he liked it bc it meant he'd have to see Sandusky more

10:23 - Accuser 1 says Dottie was always upstairs when the molesting happened

10:14 - He's now describing first time #Sandusky forced him to perform oral sex on him. "he said....it's your turn."

10:12 - A court employee had to bring tissues him on the stand.

10:05 - Accuser 1 is much more emotional and vulnerable than Accuser 4. He is also ten years younger.

9:54 - "...i didn't know what to do. All these thoughtd running through my head...i blacked out. I didn't want it to happen"

9:48 - - That turned into kissing on the lips, and Sandusky putting his hand under the back of his pants

9:47 - That turned into kissing on the lips, and Sandusky putting his hand under the back of his pants

9:41 - every time he stayed downstairs, he says Sandusky would kiss his cheek, forehead, and would crack his back

9:40 - He says at first he'd stay upstairs at Sandusky house, but then stayed downstairs.

9:37 - Alleged victim 1 states first awkward contact involved Sandusky putting his hand on his leg while driving

9:26 - #Sandusky is watching and listening to testimony

9:24 - Alleged victim 1 just graduated from high school last week.

9:23 - He grew up in Lock Haven, where he lived with his mom and siblings. They lived in public housing, he never knew his dad.

9:05 - Accuser 1 is now 18 years old.

Court begins 9am with Alleged Victim 1 called to stand
 
2012-06-12 02:21:38 PM  
Y'know, it's weird...and I'm not conflating the two AT ALL. But after reading all the discussion of Sandusky's behaviors, I'm beginning to wonder if his particular flavor of sociopathy/pedophilia is more similar to the mental illness that causes hoarding - specifically, animal hoarding - than to a narcissistic predator. He truly seems to believe he was doing those forgotten kids some good, and doesn't acknowledge, or seemingly recognize, that he was doing immeasureable harm. It's sort of like the crazy cat lady who insists, INSISTS, that she really really really loves animals and takes good care of them: meanwhile, she's utterly oblivious to the fact that her packed-in "rescues" are sick, infested w/parasites, living in filth, malnourished/starving, even dying. We on the outside can only point and gasp (& hurl) when a women who pries up emaciated cat corpses from the feces-encrusted floor of her house and stashes them in the freezer, then heads out to collect more strays, says she is fine, nothing is wrong, she's the real victim here, why does everyone pick on her when all she wants to do is help cats?

I dunno, I'm no psychologist. Just kind of struck me.

TL;DR - Sandusky's seriously mentally ill and should be chemically castrated and insitutionalized for life.
 
2012-06-12 02:22:29 PM  
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2012-06-12 02:24:32 PM  
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RIP, Tony Alemeda
 
2012-06-12 02:29:00 PM  
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2012-06-12 02:31:28 PM  

Magorn: The church, too mired in their own disinofrmation, never really understood this, and so had no idea what they unleashed on the church their congregations by allowing these men to take holy orders


FTFY
 
2012-06-12 02:38:49 PM  

Pick13: Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


I wish he'd called the cops, but the police are not the cure-all that we'd like them to be in these cases, at least according to people that work in this field have told me personally. Reporting it via the Penn State chain was correct by the rules for McQueary, and if everyone above him had done even his half-assed job of reacting, it would have ended within a week. Paterno, evidently, notified the AD and the VP by the rules (his account wouldn't have been enough for the police, they'd need the witness). The required reporters (Curley and Schultz) did not make the required report... they had a clear obligation to report it outside of PSU and they didn't.

Remember that in '98 the police investigated Sandusky with a living, breathing victim and an enraged mother, but they couldn't get the case to move forward because the child wouldn't say that he'd done anything actually criminal.

Seriously: you want results out of suspected child abuse? Call Child Protective Services not the police. They're familiar with the way abusers work, cover their tracks, et. al and know how to handle victims and whistleblowers.
 
2012-06-12 02:42:20 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Silly Jesus: Magorn: The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.

Wait, what? Seriously?

Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?

He very carefully went out of his way to make it clear he wasn't equating sexuality with paedophilia.

Gay people used to seek out the priesthood because they'd been raised to be ashamed of their sexuality and felt it was something they needed to fight.

Paedophiles seek out the priesthood either for that reason, or because hey, easy access to kids.


My apologies to him then. T'was a failure on my part, obviously.
 
2012-06-12 02:42:58 PM  

Millennium: farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.

That he came forward eventually is heroic, but it does not erase the sins he committed in delaying: it merely means that he came to his senses and his role in enabling this is over. That he finally did the right thing should be acknowledged and encouraged, but he still has much to answer for.


I don't think we know enough to justly condemn McQueary. Did he know anything about the 1998 charges? I suspect he must have known something, he was the school's head quarterback the previous year and was very much an insider in the Penn State football program. If he did know about that situation, if he knew that the police had been contacted and absolutely nothing came of it, and the man was allowed to retire in peace, how would that affect his actions? Maybe I'm the paranoid type, but I would assume the fix was in, the sick fark had friends in high places, and there was no point in getting the law involved. And if you can't call the police, who do you turn to? The media? Tell them this story, and your reasons for not approaching the police, and see if they don't treat you like a lunatic. I think he tried to work through the school because it seemed like the only way to get tangible results; they had at least forced Sandusky into retirement when the police did nothing, perhaps they could bar him from campus or take some other actions against him. I think the vitriol aimed at McQueary probably should be directed elsewhere, including at Penn State and law enforcement officials who have not yet been mentioned in connection with this case.
 
2012-06-12 02:45:52 PM  
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2012-06-12 02:45:53 PM  

factoryconnection: Seriously: you want results out of suspected child abuse? Call Child Protective Services not the police. They're familiar with the way abusers work, cover their tracks, et. al and know how to handle victims and whistleblowers.


That's actually a very good point. Though wouldn't the police get them involved at some point anyway? It would certainly make sense to have someone familiar with abuse, child psychology, etc. doing the investigative work more so than a cop who just asks questions and doesn't see the fear and intimidation in the answers (or non-answers). Perhaps law enforcement should work more closely with social services in cases like this.
 
2012-06-12 02:51:19 PM  

Magorn: Silly Jesus: Magorn: The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.

Wait, what? Seriously?

Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?

Oh good god I should have been clearer. The Second, most defintely the second. My argument was that the Church ran on Gay men in the 50's because of the societal/religious disapproval of homosexuality made the priesthood one of the few places a gay man could find a niche in society that was respectable, and didn't require him to construct an elaborate facade to appear "normal". Gay liberation in the 60's and 70's gave gay men the option of living openly and so the celibate route no longer appealed to many of those who would have been drawn to the Church in earlier decade.

By the mid -80's there was almost no one going into the Seminary anymore and many of those that were had serious issues that would have gotten them kicked out before that. Among that group were a large number of pedophiles who either saw the church as a way to get at their victims, or a way to run away from thier sexual urges.

The problem was UNLIKE Gay men, who had served the church very ably in the previous generation; pedophiles are mentally ill, and often not in real control of their sexual urges. It was The Church that was blind to this crucial difference, and unleashed the horror we are dealing with today


Ah, makes sense. Sorry for my confusion. As someone pointed out above, I think it was the "they were pedophiles, rather than simply being gay". The "simply" implies "in addition to."

Interesting history lesson though (I'll assume it's accurate until I have time for further reading). Thank you.
 
2012-06-12 02:53:30 PM  

Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


I'm not defending him as strongly as the guy who quoted me but if A) he didn't report it and B) he didn't follow up then nothing would have happened at all.

Also it hasn't been a decade, it was 6 years at the most before the follow up and a couple years after that they couldn't cover it up any longer.

For those saying it was easy, think of this: you had a dream to do this your entire life and finally got there then you have this choice to either keep quiet or take a huge shiat on your dreams and give up any chance of ever achieving it. Sure all of you say, "HES farkING A KID, ITS AN EASY CHOICE!!!!" I agree, but then working or coaching in football is not my dream so its an easier choice for me and I imagine if you have kids its an easier choice.

My real hatred is saved for.the coach mentioned in the article who was "suspicious" of him but said nothing to the cops.
 
2012-06-12 03:00:23 PM  

Magorn: It was The Church that was blind to this crucial difference, and unleashed the horror we are dealing with today


They should be good at it by now, one would think. Lord knows they've had plenty of practice over the centuries.
 
2012-06-12 03:06:03 PM  

desertgeek: namegoeshere: desertgeek: And if I'm the prosecution, I put Sandusky up on the stand. Clearly, his own words are the best offense the prosecution has.

It doesn't work that way, unfortunately. You can not be forced to testify at your own trial. The good news is, this yutz is such a textbook narcissist, he will probably insist on testifying in his own defense. He will be convinced that the jury just needs to hear from him to understand that he's really a great guy, and everyone's got it all wrong. I hope to heck his attorney can't stop this. It would be lulzy fun indeed.

After I posted that, I remembered hearing somewhere that the defense was considering putting him on the witness stand. So in cross examination, the prosecution could hammer him. At the minimum, I would play that Costas interview for the jury. If you can't get Sandusky on the stand, get him with his own words anyway.


The link to the article that says Sandusky intends to testify is in the middle of this article. Now that's an incredibly stupid thing to do considering his interview with Costas but I think he's deluded enough to do it and don't know if his attorney can stop him. If he testifies I don't think he'll be able to avoid incriminating himself that would be perfect.
 
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