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2012-06-12 08:53:53 AM  
I'm more pissed at the nailers who didn't end this when it started. The assistant coach knew what was going on and did things to protect the kids -- except for going to the police.

Being a rapist/pedophile is bad enough, being in a position to halt the crime and doing nothing is damning.
 
2012-06-12 09:11:19 AM  
Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...
 
2012-06-12 09:28:15 AM  
"nailers"? Wtf? "enablers". frkking autocorrect.
 
2012-06-12 09:28:43 AM  
Shocked this didn't make the article...from the testimony:
"sometimes (Sandusky) would 'sneakily' put his penis in my mouth while we were showering and wrestling"

I was going to make a "Liam Neeson never taught the ninjas that/Christian Bale demanded that scene be deleted" kind of joke, but, after looking at that again I kinda don't want to anymore.
 
2012-06-12 09:29:43 AM  

Optimus Primate: Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...


That sounds both ridiculous and plausible at the same time. Either he's one of the all time worst defense attorneys or he knows he has no shot and he's doing the only thing he can think of to keep his client out of jail.

I find it hard to believe he would intentionally commit career suicide by repeatedly displaying ineptness, but who knows?
 
2012-06-12 09:30:06 AM  
Inept? He's fighting a tank with a toothpick. When all of the facts are stacked against you, even the best lawyer in the world isn't going to have a good day in court. I strongly suspect that Amendola advised his client to take whatever deal he could get from the Commonwealth, but Sandusky insists on fighting it.
 
2012-06-12 09:31:05 AM  

lohphat: "nailers"? Wtf? "enablers". frkking autocorrect.


It kind of worked.
 
2012-06-12 09:33:21 AM  
Looks like Sandusky is going to go with the "incompetent representation" appeal route.
 
2012-06-12 09:34:35 AM  

lohphat: "nailers"? Wtf? "enablers". frkking autocorrect.


The Tiger Lilies are coming, the Tiger Lilies are coming!

But seriously, Sandusky is just one evil, sick, textbook definition of the word 'sociopath'. He wielded homophobia like a surgeon's blade, knowing exactly how much power he had over both innocent children, and, as you mention, some not-nearly-as-innocent hangers-on.
 
2012-06-12 09:36:56 AM  

kronicfeld: Inept? He's fighting a tank with a toothpick. When all of the facts are stacked against you, even the best lawyer in the world isn't going to have a good day in court. I strongly suspect that Amendola advised his client to take whatever deal he could get from the Commonwealth, but Sandusky insists on fighting it.


Yeah, might be this too. You have a client that you basically know (or feel) like it dead guilty, but, they insist (maybe have themselves convinced in their own mind) that they haven't done anything wrong, so, you have to go forward. From the looks of it, he hasn't even attempted any sort of defense... he's actually said things and allowed witnesses to say things like he is the prosecution.
 
2012-06-12 09:46:02 AM  
"Also Monday, Penn State acknowledged an NBC report about an email exchange between top university officials regarding accusations by assistant coach Mike McQueary that Sandusky raped another victim. Former school president Graham Spanier, ...athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz decided that not alerting the police would be "humane" to Sandusky."


Wow... All to protect some bullshiat "Football dynasty". Bunch of farking assholes.
 
2012-06-12 09:46:09 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Optimus Primate: Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...

That sounds both ridiculous and plausible at the same time. Either he's one of the all time worst defense attorneys or he knows he has no shot and he's doing the only thing he can think of to keep his client out of jail.

I find it hard to believe he would intentionally commit career suicide by repeatedly displaying ineptness, but who knows?


What if Sandusky KNOWS he's screwed. His life is over. The only enjoyment he has left is to be able to revisit all of his sensual conquests and "love affairs" (I think he really did love his victims) in the public trial. He wants to hear these stories again and doesn't care one whit about the verdict. As the tales are recounted by the victims, I would bet a LOT of money that he's hiding his wood underneath the defense table and relishing these last moments of satisfaction - knowing he can never have them again.

Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...
 
2012-06-12 10:02:22 AM  
Riveting read. You probably could have heard a pin drop in that courtroom,
 
2012-06-12 10:05:44 AM  

Why aren't we talking about the real issue in this case?

Victim testifies Sandusky is gay but papers continue to say he's a pedophile. The coverup never ends.

- Catholic League (@CatholicLeague) June 12, 2012
 
2012-06-12 10:10:30 AM  
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2012-06-12 10:22:29 AM  

keylock71: "Also Monday, Penn State acknowledged an NBC report about an email exchange between top university officials regarding accusations by assistant coach Mike McQueary that Sandusky raped another victim. Former school president Graham Spanier, ...athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz decided that not alerting the police would be "humane" to Sandusky."


Wow... All to protect some bullshiat "Football dynasty". Bunch of farking assholes.


Also, these idiots...

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2012-06-12 10:23:36 AM  

keylock71: Wow... All to protect some bullshiat "Football dynasty". Bunch of farking assholes.


That's really what this whole thing is about. It seems crazy to me, and probably anyone on the outside looking in, but I get a sense that football was the entirety of life for many of the people involved. Why not do more? Because football! We can't do anything that might threaten football. It must be protected at all costs.

That's the impression that I get anyway.
 
2012-06-12 10:38:52 AM  

kronicfeld: Inept? He's fighting a tank with a toothpick. When all of the facts are stacked against you, even the best lawyer in the world isn't going to have a good day in court. I strongly suspect that Amendola advised his client to take whatever deal he could get from the Commonwealth, but Sandusky insists on fighting it.


Hoo boy have I been there.

Still, when you're confronted with a witness like that you cut your losses and get him off the stand.
 
2012-06-12 10:49:32 AM  

Krymson Tyde: I find it hard to believe he would intentionally commit career suicide by repeatedly displaying ineptness, but who knows?


He got a 16 year old client pregnant (later married her). If he's willing to risk career suicide by getting a 16 year old client pregnant, what makes you think he wouldn't risk career suicide in this case?
 
2012-06-12 11:04:51 AM  
I don't know which threads will be more entertaining, these threads or when all the political fallout comes down from Corbett hiding this case while he was AG.

Bonusgate > Child Rape.
 
2012-06-12 11:06:14 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Krymson Tyde: I find it hard to believe he would intentionally commit career suicide by repeatedly displaying ineptness, but who knows?

He got a 16 year old client pregnant (later married her). If he's willing to risk career suicide by getting a 16 year old client pregnant, what makes you think he wouldn't risk career suicide in this case?


I had forgotten about that.
 
2012-06-12 11:11:54 AM  

JerseyTim: Why aren't we talking about the real issue in this case?

Victim testifies Sandusky is gay but papers continue to say he's a pedophile. The coverup never ends.- Catholic League (@CatholicLeague) June 12, 2012


Whoever is the tart behind that account better be careful with where such logic may lead.

/P.S. At the minimum, it ends with Catholicism being absolutely fabulous.
 
2012-06-12 11:15:34 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Shocked this didn't make the article...from the testimony:
"sometimes (Sandusky) would 'sneakily' put his penis in my mouth while we were showering and wrestling"

I was going to make a "Liam Neeson never taught the ninjas that/Christian Bale demanded that scene be deleted" kind of joke, but, after looking at that again I kinda don't want to anymore.


What. The. Fark.
 
2012-06-12 11:16:29 AM  
So Sandusky's going with the insanity defense? As in, "Your honor, I'm just CRAZY about young boys!!!"
 
2012-06-12 11:16:58 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: If he's willing to risk career suicide by getting a 16 year old client pregnant, what makes you think he wouldn't risk career suicide in this case?


Because, HOPEFULLY, in this instance it's not his dick doing the thinking.
 
2012-06-12 11:16:58 AM  
He has got to be the stupidest goddamn lawyer ever.

That being said, I find it frightening that, it seems, each of these victims is going to recount dozens upon dozens of events that happened in and around PSU facilities. Does Sandusky have an invisibility cloak?
 
2012-06-12 11:17:42 AM  
College football and the fanaticism it creates is CREEPY. Heres hoping jerry drops dead.
 
2012-06-12 11:18:44 AM  
And what is subby's clever strategy for trying this case?
 
2012-06-12 11:19:45 AM  
Also Monday, Penn State acknowledged an NBC report about an email exchange between top university officials regarding accusations by assistant coach Mike McQueary that Sandusky raped another victim. Former school president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz decided that not alerting the police would be "humane" to Sandusky.

It's the smoking gun that critics of the university have been waiting for since this scandal broke.


Get ready to open those wallets, alums. They are going to need some serious cash for the coming civil suit.
 
2012-06-12 11:20:24 AM  

Optimus Primate: Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...


Victim #4 sounds like he's ready to give that testimony until the day he sees Sandusky locked away. These aren't little kids that can be pushed around any more, and this isn't the culture that blames the victim as much as it used to.

Sandusky is going down in flames... there are more of these guys waiting to pile drive Amendola and the case is already set. The administrative enablers will, too, and need to.

If McQueary's report had been handled by the book after he filed it, this would have ended in March 2002, no matter what he did or failed to do in the Lasch shower room. But it wasn't... something serious will come of that in the Schultz/Curley trial(s).

MisterTweak: But seriously, Sandusky is just one evil, sick, textbook definition of the word 'sociopath'. He wielded homophobia like a surgeon's blade, knowing exactly how much power he had over both innocent children, and, as you mention, some not-nearly-as-innocent hangers-on.


Everything that comes out about Sandusky fits the profile exactly... these predators are not clumsy tiger-traps; they're real-life, systematic abusers. They build up trust, they find exploitable kids with weaknesses and weak family protection, develop a public front all while scouting for more victims in their network. They get it to where not only the kids don't resist but then feel that they can't say anything to anyone... not necessarily out of fear of violence but instead fearing blame and ostracism for ruining "beloved Uncle Chester."

nekom: Why not do more? Because football! We can't do anything that might threaten football. It must be protected at all costs.


That is possible, but similar predators play entire systems of people without millions of dollars and dynasties on the line frequently. It couldn't have helped that there were financial considerations weighing on their minds, and they forgot that not taking decisive, painful action could (and apparently did) keep the window open for more victims to be found and abused.

Somewhat painful then.... no. They waited until "coronary artery rupture" level pain to come around.
 
2012-06-12 11:21:11 AM  

Apos: Riveting read. You probably could have heard a pin drop in that courtroom,


If you could actually make it through the article. It's just disgusting how horrible Sandusky really was.
 
2012-06-12 11:21:23 AM  

bulldg4life: He has got to be the stupidest goddamn lawyer ever.

That being said, I find it frightening that, it seems, each of these victims is going to recount dozens upon dozens of events that happened in and around PSU facilities. Does Sandusky have an invisibility cloak?


You already know the answer: BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL BABY!!!!
 
2012-06-12 11:21:24 AM  

Apos: Riveting read. You probably could have heard a pin drop boner pop in that courtroom,


Fixed! or Spade and neuter?
 
2012-06-12 11:21:35 AM  

Owangotang: College football and the fanaticism it creates is CREEPY. Heres hoping jerry drops dead.


I don't want him to drop dead....yet. He needs to be convicted and labeled as the sick, twisted fark that he is. Then he can die.
 
2012-06-12 11:22:09 AM  
"The witness vividly detailed what he estimated were at least 40 acts of inappropriate sexual contact in the Penn State football locker room showers alone - games of "soap battles" and wrestling matches turning into repeated attempts at oral and anal sex."

I guess this is why they say, "Don't drop the soap"! Ouch!
 
2012-06-12 11:22:42 AM  

JerseyTim: Why aren't we talking about the real issue in this case?

Victim testifies Sandusky is gay but papers continue to say he's a pedophile. The coverup never ends.- Catholic League (@CatholicLeague) June 12, 2012


He can get Twitter on his fax machine?
 
2012-06-12 11:22:48 AM  

Arkanaut: Apos: Riveting read. You probably could have heard a pin drop in that courtroom,

If you could actually make it through the article. It's just disgusting how horrible Sandusky really was.


I found myself involuntarily making faces of disgust while I read it.
 
2012-06-12 11:23:27 AM  
This case just sickens me, and by virtue of where I live, it's all over every news broadcast every day. Just seeing Sandusky's emotionless face leaves me with feelings of rage.

Court of public opinion and all, but I've considered him unquestionably guilty since he did that interview with Costas and was asked if he was sexually attracted to children. Guilty, innocent or otherwise, any right-thinking person wouldn't even hesitate before giving an unqualified, "Hell farking no." Sandusky sat there and "umm'd" and "well'd" and "sexually's" his way through that rambling response.

fark 'em. Let him burn.
 
2012-06-12 11:23:41 AM  
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2012-06-12 11:24:01 AM  

Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...


This is what I've been thinking. Ok, ok... hoping.

Dude has just always given me the creeps. Much like Benedict XVI.
 
2012-06-12 11:24:09 AM  
I hope that the assholes who helped cover it up eventually get nailed too. In my opinion, the coverup is almost as bad as the crime itself. It gave him leeway to keep doing what he was doing, and, (god help that there was no bad reflection on the football program), probably made him feel like he could do whatever he wanted, when he wanted, and to who he wanted.

pure assholery..
 
2012-06-12 11:24:14 AM  

Owangotang: College football and the fanaticism it creates is CREEPY. Heres hoping jerry drops dead.


Not me... I want that scumbag to live a long, deprived life in prison. He hasn't even, it seems, come to terms that he did anything wrong. He can't even seem to acknowledge that his "love of kids" put Penn State onto the rocks and shut down his decades-old charity!

Him dying with a clear conscience any time soon? To hell with that.
 
2012-06-12 11:24:40 AM  
You know, I just don't think I'm sneaky enough to get my penis in someone's mouth. Certainly not defending Sandusky, but I'm pretty damn sure I couldn't pull off an "oops, there's my dick in your mouth".

But then again, I don't try to put my penis in the mouth of young boys with abandonment issues.

/Mental note: hit the strip club on Father's Day.
 
2012-06-12 11:26:18 AM  
Now THAT is how articles should be written. Simply riveting.
 
2012-06-12 11:26:33 AM  

bulldg4life: He has got to be the stupidest goddamn lawyer ever.


That was pretty clearly established when he let his client go on national television and stammer through a 20 second explanation when he was asked directly if he's attracted to young boys.
 
2012-06-12 11:26:52 AM  
Fark Sandusky, double fark McQueary, and fark the entire Penn State football establishment.
 
2012-06-12 11:27:28 AM  

Weidbrewer: Court of public opinion and all, but I've considered him unquestionably guilty since he did that interview with Costas and was asked if he was sexually attracted to children.


There's sensationalism, and gotcha questions, and mob mentality... but on the far end of the scale is the question "Are you sexually attracted to kids?"

"No." "No!" or "Not at all." Simple. Sandusky admitted guilt on national television, all while showing that he doesn't even feel guilty.
 
2012-06-12 11:27:34 AM  

factoryconnection: Owangotang: College football and the fanaticism it creates is CREEPY. Heres hoping jerry drops dead.

Not me... I want that scumbag to live a long, deprived life in prison. He hasn't even, it seems, come to terms that he did anything wrong. He can't even seem to acknowledge that his "love of kids" put Penn State onto the rocks and shut down his decades-old charity!

Him dying with a clear conscience any time soon? To hell with that.


Yeah, this. I wanna see him live out the rest of his days in a prison cell.
 
2012-06-12 11:29:44 AM  
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I watched an episode of Matlock in a bar last night. The sound was off, but I think I got the gist of it.
 
2012-06-12 11:30:26 AM  

Rwa2play: Yeah, this. I wanna see him live out the rest of his days in a prison cell.


Prison justice for child molesters is swift and brutal. He probably wouldn't last very long in there.
 
2012-06-12 11:30:56 AM  
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2012-06-12 11:31:00 AM  

fireclown: Fark Sandusky, double fark McQueary, and fark the entire Penn State football establishment.


Why does the whistleblower get "double fark" when the actual, no-kidding predator with many victims and decades of abuse get less? If McQueary's report had been handled by management by the rules this would have ended in March 2002. Yeah, he panicked or whatever that made him wait until the next day, and that is bad. However, many many people including parents of victimized kids have done less than he did in the same situations.
 
2012-06-12 11:31:23 AM  

factoryconnection: Owangotang: College football and the fanaticism it creates is CREEPY. Heres hoping jerry drops dead.

Not me... I want that scumbag to live a long, deprived life in prison. He hasn't even, it seems, come to terms that he did anything wrong. He can't even seem to acknowledge that his "love of kids" put Penn State onto the rocks and shut down his decades-old charity!

Him dying with a clear conscience any time soon? To hell with that.


You think he is capable of processing and understanding what he did? He is sick, the Costas interview displayed that. He deserves death, old monsters don't learn.
 
2012-06-12 11:33:31 AM  

gilgigamesh: kronicfeld: Inept? He's fighting a tank with a toothpick. When all of the facts are stacked against you, even the best lawyer in the world isn't going to have a good day in court. I strongly suspect that Amendola advised his client to take whatever deal he could get from the Commonwealth, but Sandusky insists on fighting it.

Hoo boy have I been there.

Still, when you're confronted with a witness like that you cut your losses and get him off the stand.


Ya know, my ex's lawyer seemed to be freakin' retarded at his trial. Had the psycho's family wave at the judge from the benches... the whole defense was: "he's bi-polar, poor him, it's not his fault"; goes into this tirade about all the treatment he's done for his mental health during the past 5-6 years, then states that his Physician (yes, his physician was giving him his medication) was SHOCKED that he was so far removed from humanity as to pull the stunt he was on trial for. I just sat there and kept thinking, dude, WTF!

Then, I realized how farked his case was. What with all the pictures, witnesses and emails from the ex in his own words and all.

I couldn't imagine having that job. Defending a scumbag.
 
2012-06-12 11:33:45 AM  
The best he can hope for is to be burried in secret so his corpse won't be violated.

Unless he has an angle.
 
2012-06-12 11:33:53 AM  

factoryconnection: "No." "No!" or "Not at all." Simple. Sandusky admitted guilt on national television, all while showing that he doesn't even feel guilty.


Exactly. Even people who are guilty usually have enough of an understanding of other people's view of right and wrong to know that there should be an instant and direct "no" to that question to save your own skin...the fact that Sandusky couldn't manage that show that he is not only guilty, but as you said, doesn't even feel any guilt. Bumps the scary factor up to 11.
 
2012-06-12 11:34:32 AM  

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2012-06-12 11:34:55 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: He can get Twitter on his fax machine?


He's hilarious on Twitter. A must follow. Here are some of his greatest hits.
 
2012-06-12 11:35:48 AM  
Well, hell, subby, what do you expect? There is no defending this boy-farker and Sandusky probably couldn't get a good lawyer to take his case.
 
2012-06-12 11:36:30 AM  
What we may have, ladies and gentlemen, is a lawyer who actually has a soul, and is going to have his client found guilty so fast that they won't have time to have the gallows set up on Mt. Nittany.
 
2012-06-12 11:36:38 AM  
The juror profiles may be Sandusky's saving grace. Link However bad his lawyer is at cross-examination, he's quite good at juror selection.

Juror #7 is a Penn State senior who "works at a Penn State athletic facility and knows Steve Turchetta, the Clinton County high school coach who hired Sandusky as a volunteer assistant. He came to the courthouse wearing a navy T-shirt that read "Penn State archery." His cousin played football at Penn State under Joe Paterno and his mother works in the State College Area School District."

Juror #10 "is an administrative assistant at Penn State's College of Engineering"

Juror #11 "A dance teacher in Penn State's continuing education program ... She occasionally has conversations about the case with her husband, who is a media specialist at a transportation center at Penn State. She knows Kelly Hastings, a potential witness. "

Juror #12 "A female Penn State professor for 24 years who had a professional relationship with former president Graham Spanier, but the two had no social interaction."

That means Jurors #7 and possibly #11 are employed without tenure at Penn State, which means that Penn State can retaliate without consequence to itself. Hopefully Juror #10 has a good union, and Juror #12 has tenure.

It could be OJ and Casey Anthony all over again.
 
2012-06-12 11:36:48 AM  
Remember that baby killer down in Florida? Everyone said her lawyer was incompetent too. Maybe you just need to be insane to win cases this high profile.
 
2012-06-12 11:36:50 AM  
Sandusky had to know this would happen. I wonder if he thinks this is his best shot at doing some kind of penance.
 
2012-06-12 11:37:44 AM  
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2012-06-12 11:38:01 AM  

Optimus Primate: Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...


That would be the most inept thing he could possibly do. Look at caselaw on "ineffective assistance of counsel", it's damn near impossible to win an appeal on those grounds. Hell in one famous case, a guy couldn't even get a new trial on those grounds despite evidence that he lawyer FELL ASLEEP during the trial.

I will say I am completely confused as to what possible relevance the defense thinks this whole "histrionic personality disorder" thing has. It's not enough to meet the legal standard for "insanity" which is being completely unable to tell right from wrong when you committed an act, so the only thing it might be useful for is trying to argue for a lighter sentence, something you tend to save for the sentencing phase so it doesn't appear you are already conceeding the outcome of the trial
 
2012-06-12 11:39:57 AM  

rorypk: Remember that baby killer down in Florida? Everyone said her lawyer was incompetent too. Maybe you just need to be insane to win cases this high profile.


She got off because there was no real proof the kid was murdered, let alone by her. There's plenty of evidence that some serious pedophilia has taken place at Penn State.
 
2012-06-12 11:40:34 AM  

factoryconnection: That is possible, but similar predators play entire systems of people without millions of dollars and dynasties on the line frequently. It couldn't have helped that there were financial considerations weighing on their minds, and they forgot that not taking decisive, painful action could (and apparently did) keep the window open for more victims to be found and abused.

Somewhat painful then.... no. They waited until "coronary artery rupture" level pain to come around.


The ironic thing is that now it's going to cost them FAR more than it would have to do the right thing up front. If I were JoePa and heard of something like that happening, I would go to the University President, only so he wouldn't be absolutely blindsided by it, and tell him that we're going to be calling the Pennsylvania state police right NOW. Would that have hurt their football program? Sure, it would be quite a black eye, but nothing compared to what it's cost them now. Sometimes damage control means accepting some damage.

I may be way off base here, but it's just the impression that I get, they were far too insulated. It seemed like they all lived in their own little football world and even a crime as serious as rape was something to be `handled' internally. There really are some parallels with the Catholic church who did much the same thing, don't you think? We don't need this bad PR, just `handle' it. Well that appears to work for awhile but when the whole thing gets blown wide open, it's a mess.
 
2012-06-12 11:40:34 AM  
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2012-06-12 11:41:23 AM  

factoryconnection: fireclown: Fark Sandusky, double fark McQueary, and fark the entire Penn State football establishment.

Why does the whistleblower get "double fark" when the actual, no-kidding predator with many victims and decades of abuse get less? If McQueary's report had been handled by management by the rules this would have ended in March 2002. Yeah, he panicked or whatever that made him wait until the next day, and that is bad. However, many many people including parents of victimized kids have done less than he did in the same situations.


Because you go to straight to the Cops. Period. End of story.

He called is dad and ends up going to JoePa and it all gets washed away like going to confession.
 
2012-06-12 11:41:32 AM  

Weidbrewer: This case just sickens me, and by virtue of where I live, it's all over every news broadcast every day. Just seeing Sandusky's emotionless face leaves me with feelings of rage.


Seriously, just seeing the guy's face fills me with rage.

I'm almost kind of glad he has the most incompetent lawyer ever. The only way this could backfire is if they declare a mistrial simply because Amendola is just that terrible of a lawyer and they claim he didn't receive an adequate defense.
 
2012-06-12 11:43:14 AM  
Based on what I read in the grand jury reports, I want his wife to go to jail, too.
 
2012-06-12 11:44:18 AM  
This might be a good night to re-watch "sleepers"
 
2012-06-12 11:45:21 AM  

dletter: kronicfeld: Inept? He's fighting a tank with a toothpick. When all of the facts are stacked against you, even the best lawyer in the world isn't going to have a good day in court. I strongly suspect that Amendola advised his client to take whatever deal he could get from the Commonwealth, but Sandusky insists on fighting it.

Yeah, might be this too. You have a client that you basically know (or feel) like it dead guilty, but, they insist (maybe have themselves convinced in their own mind) that they haven't done anything wrong, so, you have to go forward. From the looks of it, he hasn't even attempted any sort of defense... he's actually said things and allowed witnesses to say things like he is the prosecution.


I think this is the answer. Sandusky's convinced that everyone will see how he is totally innocent. Check out this excerpt from a story about the juror profiles

Juror No. 3 - A middle-aged woman who has held Penn State football season tickets for 24 years. Her husband is a physician at the same medical group as John McQueary, whose son Mike McQueary is a key witness for the prosecution. She said she is a "casual" acquaintance of the elder McQueary. Sandusky's attorney, Joe Amendola, initially tried to strike her from the jury pool. However, Sandusky convinced his attorney otherwise, saying "I think she can be fair."

Easy strike, yet the defendant himself insists they keep her against the wishes of his attorney. Sandusky is one seriously farked up dude.
 
2012-06-12 11:46:07 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

This is what I've been thinking. Ok, ok... hoping.

Dude has just always given me the creeps. Much like Benedict XVI.


That guy looks like pure evil ............................................^.
 
2012-06-12 11:46:52 AM  

keylock71: Wow... All to protect some bullshiat "Football dynasty". Bunch of farking assholes.


Well, to be fair, that dynasty is worth a lot of money.

Oh, and there's also the part where being in sports is a much more fun and cushy job than, say, road construction or selling insurance.

And also consider the fact that the meathead mouth-breathers who populate the sports industry would be largely unable to find gainful employment in most other fields, except for managing gymnasiums or asking if you need help as you browse the shoe section at Sports Authority.

So, they were protecting more than just a dynasty. They were protecting the piles of money they derived from pleasant, relatively easy jobs that compensated them far beyond any social value they might otherwise have.
 
2012-06-12 11:47:00 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

This is what I've been thinking. Ok, ok... hoping.

Dude has just always given me the creeps. Much like Benedict XVI.


I don't know about this. I get the feeling that Sandusky is a sociopath and believes he can do what ever he wants. The man lived a live of privilege...which included molesting children thanks to PSU. From what I've read about him he spent most of his free time actively trying to find ways to poke kids.

/one of the worst kinds of evil this man is
 
2012-06-12 11:48:01 AM  
I'm in awe of the young man witnessing for the prosecution.

/DIAF, "Jer".
 
2012-06-12 11:48:09 AM  
Sandusky at Paterno's funeral. I can't help but think that Jerry's the reason that JoPa died when he did. Sandusky has caused an incredible amount of hurt in this world. The Karma bus is gonna hit him head on.

o.onionstatic.com
 
2012-06-12 11:48:17 AM  
I love this headline, Subbs, because only after thoroughly reading TFA does it make a lick of sense. Sick, twisted, nauseating sense. I want brain washing, but that makes me think of sudds, and showers, and now I'm icky all over again. Well done.

See Jer, the problem with targeting large numbers of weak, submissive children is that chances are at least a couple of them will grow up into strong, assertive adults. HERO tag for this witness.
 
2012-06-12 11:50:15 AM  

Matthew Keene: Sandusky at Paterno's funeral. I can't help but think that Jerry's the reason that JoPa died when he did. Sandusky has caused an incredible amount of hurt in this world. The Karma bus is gonna hit him head on.

[o.onionstatic.com image 630x463]


Why was this asshat allowed anywhere near his funeral? I mean, I would figure Paterno's family or something would forbid him from being there. Not a JoePa fan at all, but I definitely agree this whole thing contributed to his death.
 
2012-06-12 11:50:31 AM  
So what happens if he is some how found innocent? Does one of the victims kill him on the steps of the courthouse? Riots in the streets a la OJ? Let us theorize and check back later for accuracy.

My vote? If he goes free, a fight breaks out in the courtroom and Sandusky has to get federal protection and disappears to Puerto Rico. The fight is started by a victim who gets 5 years in prison, which causes CNN to use ironic 3 times an hour for a week. PSU football goes .500 for the next three years. The civil suits cost PSU 1 billion dollars.
 
2012-06-12 11:50:35 AM  

dletter: Yeah, might be this too. You have a client that you basically know (or feel) like it dead guilty, but, they insist (maybe have themselves convinced in their own mind) that they haven't done anything wrong, so, you have to go forward. From the looks of it, he hasn't even attempted any sort of defense... he's actually said things and allowed witnesses to say things like he is the prosecution.


My brother recently sat in on a negotiation session with one of the senior partners in his firm, the federal prosecutor, and a guy who had been arrested for manufacture and sale of meth. In Missouri (not that it isn't elsewhere) meth is something of a problem, and as such, the authorities generally don't take too kindly to someone with 6 kilos of crystal, 50,000 tablets, and the equipment and facilities to manufacture and distribute it. (whoda thunk?)

The prosecutor came into the room, and asked the guy his name, address, birthday, place of birth, etc. He then tossed a folio of photos on the table, the first of which was the front of the guys' house; the prosecutor asked him to confirm that this was his place of residence; he did. The rest of the photos where like frames from a point and click adventure game, where one click moves you 6 feet forward- next one was at the door, door open, stepping inside, inside view, etc. These photos chronicled his meth manufacturing setup, as well as vast quantities of finished drug. The prosecutor then explained that there was no way he'd win in court, so why not deal? Give up two of your distribution contacts, go into rehab, house arrest for 6 months (or something, detention not in jail) and 5 years of probation with drug tests, home visits, etc.

My brother and his partner were SHOCKED. No jail time, from a FEDERAL case? That never happens, especially with drugs, even more so with this quantity, and doubly more so in Missouri. They strongly advised the client take the deal, as there was NO WAY he'd do better in court.

His response, faced with a life sentence (if convicted), and a mountain of forensic and photographic evidence?

"No way I'm taking the deal. I'm 100% innocent."

He was so convinced of his own innocence, he couldn't see himself any other way, even presented with the cold hard facts.

/he's in jail for a long, long time now
//no, he wasn't really innocent, his distributors gave him up
 
2012-06-12 11:51:16 AM  

lohphat: "nailers"? Wtf? "enablers". frkking autocorrect.


Worked, anyway.
 
2012-06-12 11:53:15 AM  

Optimus Primate: Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...


I think witness number 4 described in the article is prepared.
 
2012-06-12 11:53:50 AM  

TheSelphie: Matthew Keene: Sandusky at Paterno's funeral. I can't help but think that Jerry's the reason that JoPa died when he did. Sandusky has caused an incredible amount of hurt in this world. The Karma bus is gonna hit him head on.

[o.onionstatic.com image 630x463]

Why was this asshat allowed anywhere near his funeral? I mean, I would figure Paterno's family or something would forbid him from being there. Not a JoePa fan at all, but I definitely agree this whole thing contributed to his death.


Yeah, i feel it's the same as a murderer showing up a his victim's services.
 
2012-06-12 11:54:02 AM  

Yamaneko2: That means Jurors #7 and possibly #11 are employed without tenure at Penn State, which means that Penn State can retaliate without consequence to itself. Hopefully Juror #10 has a good union, and Juror #12 has tenure.

It could be OJ and Casey Anthony all over again.


Nah, anything short of a conviction will create such a significant nationwide public backlash against PSU (and probably the entire state of PA) that it would actually be best for anyone in State College to just go out Jonestown style than face what wrath will be headed their way.

I'm almost positive those jurors have been tampered with from University figures, and it's to "vote guilty no matter what"
 
2012-06-12 11:54:20 AM  
You know, I was already disgusted by this story since the day it came out. Reading that article actually got me kind of angry.

It's too bad that Sandusky is so old he won't live long enough to endure the torture he deserves. I hope when he dies, he ends up in hell, and Satan turns him inside out and uses him as a condom.
 
2012-06-12 11:55:05 AM  

WTF Indeed: I don't know which threads will be more entertaining, these threads or when all the political fallout comes down from Corbett hiding this case while he was AG.

Bonusgate > Child Rape.


Of course! Selectively prosecuting his political opponents for corruption (while quietly allowing members of his party guilty of the same crimes avoid indictment) showed he's "tough on crime" and gets votes. Going after a respected member of the community with deep ties to a nationally famous state institution doesn't benefit anybody, except finally seeing justice for the victims or to actually fulfill the his office's mission of "Protecting Pennsylvania Families".

If Corbett gets his choice of AG this fall, the facts behind hiding this case will never see the light of day.
 
2012-06-12 11:55:17 AM  

dougermouse: So what happens if he is some how found innocent? Does one of the victims kill him on the steps of the courthouse? Riots in the streets a la OJ? Let us theorize and check back later for accuracy.


He isn't going to be found not guilty so we don't have to even think about this. At worst we get a mistrial because Amendola is a moron, he gets a new lawyer and is then found guilty anyway.
 
2012-06-12 11:55:22 AM  
Sandusky is a hardcore narcissist. He can not comprehend being found guilty. It does not exist as a possibility for him. Even if the rest of the trial follows exactly like this, he will be honestly shocked when he hears a guilty verdict.

The sick, twisted bastard really does believe that he was a good influence in these children's lives. He doesn't get that what he did was wrong. It's why he wrote all the letters. He couldn't understand why the victim wanted to cut ties with him.
 
2012-06-12 11:56:12 AM  

TheBlackrose: JerseyTim: Why aren't we talking about the real issue in this case?

Victim testifies Sandusky is gay but papers continue to say he's a pedophile. The coverup never ends.- Catholic League (@CatholicLeague) June 12, 2012

Whoever is the tart behind that account better be careful with where such logic may lead.

/P.S. At the minimum, it ends with Catholicism being absolutely fabulous.


The real Irony being that it was the LACK of Gay men entering the priesthood that caused the pedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church.

Until about the 1950's the Catholic Church had a steady stream of preisthood candidates from large lower and Lower-middle class Irish and Italian families who practiced the "one for God" tradition. As an entree into the middle class, and a college education, with a gauranteed a job at the end that offered "three square meals and no heavy lifting", the Priesthood was a pretty attractive option for a lot of young men, and the church could rigorously screen applicants for psychological and character problems.

After WWII the new middle class prosperity for returning GI's inadvertantly helped dry up this stream of new recruits. However a life of celibacy was fairly attractive to another group of men who were horrifed by their own sexuality and convinced they would burn in hell if they acted on it- IE gay men.

For years the Church closed its eyes to this facet of their stream of otherwise dedicated and reliable recruits (and Why not? The church has long said that BEING gay is not a sin, just acting on it, so they probably saw this as a win-win)

The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.

The problem was, pedophiles are NOT like gay men. Being gay is just a variant on normal human sexuality. Pedophilia, it is becoming very clear, is a severe mental illness that may have some elements of OCD in it. Pedophiles are almost COMPELLED to offend, over and over again, there does not appear to be any way to cure, or even really moderate their behavior.

The church, too mired in their own disinofrmation, never really understood this, and so had no idea what they unleashed on the church by allowing these men to take holy orders
 
2012-06-12 11:56:34 AM  

dougermouse: So what happens if he is some how found innocent? Does one of the victims kill him on the steps of the courthouse? Riots in the streets a la OJ? Let us theorize and check back later for accuracy.


I'll play. If he's found innocent, Sandusky will retire. There will be no riots, and he will not be killed or assaulted.
 
2012-06-12 11:57:17 AM  

Harry Zach OBalls: CapeFearCadaver: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

This is what I've been thinking. Ok, ok... hoping.

Dude has just always given me the creeps. Much like Benedict XVI.

I don't know about this. I get the feeling that Sandusky is a sociopath and believes he can do what ever he wants. The man lived a live of privilege...which included molesting children thanks to PSU. From what I've read about him he spent most of his free time actively trying to find ways to poke kids.

/one of the worst kinds of evil this man is


Which is why I just want him dead. I know a lot of people here want him to live a long miserable life in prison but all that is going to do is feed his sociopathic beliefs that he was unjustly convicted. He'll never understand why he is so farking despicable, he will never admit that what he has done is vile; he'll just wrap himself up in all his crazy self-justifications knowing that there ARE people out there who support him.

/a girl can hope...
 
2012-06-12 11:58:25 AM  
Sandusky is one smug bastard. Making faces at the legal system. Really classless.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-12 11:58:57 AM  

fireclown: dougermouse: So what happens if he is some how found innocent? Does one of the victims kill him on the steps of the courthouse? Riots in the streets a la OJ? Let us theorize and check back later for accuracy.

I'll play. If he's found innocent, Sandusky will retire. There will be no riots, and he will not be killed or assaulted.


He is still employed by someone that he could retire after the trial? Who the fark is still employing him, even on a unpaid or volunteer basis? Seriously, I'm curious.
 
2012-06-12 11:59:09 AM  
But football will still be played on time, right? Then it's all okay.
 
2012-06-12 11:59:25 AM  

Silly Jesus: keylock71: "Also Monday, Penn State acknowledged an NBC report about an email exchange between top university officials regarding accusations by assistant coach Mike McQueary that Sandusky raped another victim. Former school president Graham Spanier, ...athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz decided that not alerting the police would be "humane" to Sandusky."


Wow... All to protect some bullshiat "Football dynasty". Bunch of farking assholes.

Also, these idiots...

[fratboyscumbagwannabedaterapists.jpg]

[trucktippingmoronswhoseparentswillpaytheirbailandfines.jpg]


I have to teach those idiots. And yeah, they are indeed the beer bloated, drooling retards those pictures make them out to be. Dammitsomuch...
 
2012-06-12 11:59:29 AM  

Yamaneko2: The juror profiles may be Sandusky's saving grace. Link However bad his lawyer is at cross-examination, he's quite good at juror selection.


I see profiles of people that I could know in all of those... and all the people I know want Sandusky burned to the freaking ground. A "Penn State" connection is a scorned lover at best for Jerry. He was a great DC but nobody misses him at all. I'm really surprised they were able to find Centre County residents that didn't want to choke Amendola out during jury selection.

Now, in the Shultz and Curley trials, it gets a lot muddier, but then it is a lot less clear what they did and more importantly didn't do.

Owangotang: He is sick, the Costas interview displayed that. He deserves death, old monsters don't learn.


You do have a point.

But I don't want him getting off easily and death seems easy for him.
 
2012-06-12 12:01:43 PM  
Hey! Roses were red, violets were blue, they STFU when he sodomised them.


...wait
 
2012-06-12 12:02:47 PM  

Magorn: Optimus Primate: Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...

That would be the most inept thing he could possibly do. Look at caselaw on "ineffective assistance of counsel", it's damn near impossible to win an appeal on those grounds. Hell in one famous case, a guy couldn't even get a new trial on those grounds despite evidence that he lawyer FELL ASLEEP during the trial.


IANAL, but my husband is. He has said that it is very, very rare that an appeal is granted based on ineffective counsel. We are so used to seeing movie and TV law, that very few of us have any idea of what really goes on in a courtroom. Amendola is providing reasonable counsel. Trials are usually long, boring drawn out affairs. Attorneys do not sound like they do on TV. Read a trial transcript or deposition.
 
2012-06-12 12:04:10 PM  

topcon:

[img2-1.timeinc.net image 240x320]


What did Leslie Nielsen do?
 
2012-06-12 12:04:40 PM  

TheSelphie: [o.onionstatic.com image 630x463]

Why was this asshat allowed anywhere near his funeral? I mean, I would figure Paterno's family or something would forbid him from being there. Not a JoePa fan at all, but I definitely agree this whole thing contributed to his death.


You might look at the URL of the hotlinked image.

One way ticket, aisle please.
 
2012-06-12 12:05:25 PM  

Lawnchair: TheSelphie: [o.onionstatic.com image 630x463]

Why was this asshat allowed anywhere near his funeral? I mean, I would figure Paterno's family or something would forbid him from being there. Not a JoePa fan at all, but I definitely agree this whole thing contributed to his death.

You might look at the URL of the hotlinked image.

One way ticket, aisle please.


Goddammit so much.
 
2012-06-12 12:06:20 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Harry Zach OBalls: CapeFearCadaver: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

This is what I've been thinking. Ok, ok... hoping.

Dude has just always given me the creeps. Much like Benedict XVI.

I don't know about this. I get the feeling that Sandusky is a sociopath and believes he can do what ever he wants. The man lived a live of privilege...which included molesting children thanks to PSU. From what I've read about him he spent most of his free time actively trying to find ways to poke kids.

/one of the worst kinds of evil this man is

Which is why I just want him dead. I know a lot of people here want him to live a long miserable life in prison but all that is going to do is feed his sociopathic beliefs that he was unjustly convicted. He'll never understand why he is so farking despicable, he will never admit that what he has done is vile; he'll just wrap himself up in all his crazy self-justifications knowing that there ARE people out there who support him.

/a girl can hope...


Well, we'll just have to wonder how many prisoners he is going to be serving time with are PSU fans...they could make the rest of his life quite miserable
 
2012-06-12 12:07:05 PM  

namegoeshere: I love this headline, Subbs, because only after thoroughly reading TFA does it make a lick of sense. Sick, twisted, nauseating sense. I want brain washing, but that makes me think of sudds, and showers, and now I'm icky all over again. Well done.

See Jer, the problem with targeting large numbers of weak, submissive children is that chances are at least a couple of them will grow up into strong, assertive adults. HERO tag for this witness.


It would appear that he (witness) has directed his anger well.
 
2012-06-12 12:08:37 PM  

fireclown: I'll play. If he's found innocent, Sandusky will retire. There will be no riots, and he will not be killed or assaulted.


TheSelphie: He is still employed by someone that he could retire after the trial? Who the fark is still employing him, even on a unpaid or volunteer basis? Seriously, I'm curious.


No he retired in 1998; he doesn't work with Second Mile as they've been shut down, and I think he lost his volunteer coaching job. I'm fairly certain any of his unofficial PSU duties dried up as well.

Not soon enough, mind you.
 
2012-06-12 12:10:29 PM  

TheSelphie: Goddammit so much.


FTW, Lawnchair
 
2012-06-12 12:11:05 PM  

Lawnchair: TheSelphie: [o.onionstatic.com image 630x463]

Why was this asshat allowed anywhere near his funeral? I mean, I would figure Paterno's family or something would forbid him from being there. Not a JoePa fan at all, but I definitely agree this whole thing contributed to his death.

You might look at the URL of the hotlinked image.

One way ticket, aisle please.


Snert.

Surprised I got away with it as long as I did, this being Fark and all.
 
2012-06-12 12:11:51 PM  
I'd think having people from non-athletic depts of Penn State on the jury would be bad for Sandusky. I'd be pissed at him for dragging everyone else at the university down with him if I worked there.
 
2012-06-12 12:12:20 PM  

Optimus Primate: Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...


I think he knows sandusky is guilty but sandusky insisted on going to trial, he's either arrogant or deluded into believing these kids card about him in the slightest.
 
2012-06-12 12:15:56 PM  

Arkanaut: Apos: Riveting read. You probably could have heard a pin drop in that courtroom,

If you could actually make it through the article. It's just disgusting how horrible Sandusky really was.


Indeed. With any luck,this will wrap up very quickly and this fiend gets a stiff sentence(no pun intended)x
 
2012-06-12 12:20:16 PM  

fireclown: Fark Sandusky, double fark McQueary, and fark the entire Penn State football establishment.


Why mcqueary? He's the only one who followed up enough to force it to blow up, fark the other assistants who were "suspicious" but did nothing.
 
2012-06-12 12:22:24 PM  

fireclown: I'll play. If he's found innocent, Sandusky will retire. There will be no riots, and he will not be killed or assaulted.


This. He'd fade into obscurity, probably move a few states away, change his name, dye his hair and disappear. But the odds of an acquittal are astronomically low here.
 
Ehh
2012-06-12 12:23:16 PM  
I suppose some of the enablers really do care about football, but most, I think, were willing to look the other way because of the money that football brought them. They allowed children to be raped so they could get paid and so that they could be paymasters. That's evil.
 
2012-06-12 12:24:47 PM  
I'm probably repeating what a lot of you have already said, but this sick twisted piece of shiat needs to die. If the jury, filled with people with Penn State ties, let's him get away; then someone needs to go into Penn State and shut the whole damn place down for the good of society because they're all farking brainwashed if they're going to let this pathetic being who can't be called human anymore be free.

And if I'm the prosecution, I put Sandusky up on the stand. Clearly, his own words are the best offense the prosecution has.
 
2012-06-12 12:24:55 PM  

Owangotang: College football and the fanaticism it creates is CREEPY.


This is partly why I never got interested in sports. The tribal and cult aspects of it *are* creepy.
 
2012-06-12 12:25:35 PM  
topcon:

There is a guy that goes up to a local bar we frequent that could be his twin brother, when he had back.surgery all he could wear was warm.ups or loose fitting track suits.

I felt sorry for him thinking everyone must be looking at him strange.
 
2012-06-12 12:25:39 PM  

fireclown: I'll play. If he's found innocent, Sandusky will retire. There will be no riots, and he will not be killed or assaulted.


None of his victims were black, eh?
 
2012-06-12 12:26:11 PM  

factoryconnection: I see profiles of people that I could know in all of those... and all the people I know want Sandusky burned to the freaking ground. A "Penn State" connection is a scorned lover at best for Jerry. He was a great DC but nobody misses him at all. I'm really surprised they were able to find Centre County residents that didn't want to choke Amendola out during jury selection.

Now, in the Shultz and Curley trials, it gets a lot muddier, but then it is a lot less clear what they did and more importantly didn't do.


I wouldn't be so sure. I was at a B1G function when an Associate Dean from PSU spoke. Despite the fact the PSU presentation had nothing to do with football or kiddie rape, he made some jokes about the Sandusky thing. Like "Haha, Jer raped some kids, but it is no big deal, haha.". He ended up refusing to take questions from myself and the other Michigan alums after we ripped into him for those comments. It was great because after saying no more questions from us, he takes a question from a Northwestern alum who point blank asks him:

"How does it feel to know your institution covered up the rape of multiple children and how much of a scumbag do you have to be to joke about it here?".

/he left the stage at that point
//some people can rationalize anything to save their precious alma mater
 
2012-06-12 12:26:40 PM  

Magorn: The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.


Wait, what? Seriously?

Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?
 
2012-06-12 12:28:12 PM  

sleeps in trees: It's sad when someone actually believes the victim because it's like them "no you are not the bad person". I lost my life of 20 years disclosing. Family, friends, etc. left only with my husband and now it is finally comming full circle - 23 years later. Everyone knew but hey, don't rock the boat. Now they are singing like canaries.


Sadly typical victim experience. I'm really sorry for what you've been through.

It was no coincidence that The Second Mile was aimed at helping "at-risk" kids... read "easily exploitable troublemakers that no one would believe." ARRRRGHGHGHGHGH!
 
2012-06-12 12:28:37 PM  
I think there should be an honorary Hero tag here for the victim who walked into courtroom and unleashed a shiatstorm upon the guy who raped him.
 
2012-06-12 12:29:52 PM  

hartzdog: And what is subby's clever strategy for trying this case?


I have no strategy...I think Sandusky is actually enjoying the trial's ability to let him listen to hours of (his own) child porn every day. I think he regards his defense as a token effort at best, as his prime motivator is not to be exonerated, but to re-live all of his love affairs and sexual adventures as told first-person by the victims. This is his last "big bang" before he eventually kills himself, and he wants to savor every word that comes out of their pretty little mouths.

He's caught...his lawyer has no real options (and is WAY over his head trying to mount this defense - which is pretty obvious). This is just theater...

I suppose if Sandusky really wanted to fight this, he would hire an experienced attorney with years in criminal sexual conduct defense. That would be my strategy, sir. Not a bumbling paper pusher like Amendola.
 
2012-06-12 12:30:45 PM  

Matthew Keene: Snert.

Surprised I got away with it as long as I did, this being Fark and all.


You got me. I read that whole article thinking to myself, "If I was the father of one of those kids and read this, I'd shoot him on the way into court!" Ho Lee shiate!
 
2012-06-12 12:30:59 PM  

Silly Jesus: Magorn: The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.

Wait, what? Seriously?

Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?


He very carefully went out of his way to make it clear he wasn't equating sexuality with paedophilia.

Gay people used to seek out the priesthood because they'd been raised to be ashamed of their sexuality and felt it was something they needed to fight.

Paedophiles seek out the priesthood either for that reason, or because hey, easy access to kids.
 
2012-06-12 12:31:22 PM  
Just read an article on Sandusky and one things stunned me.

He tells a story about picking up 2 kids he had placed in a foster home through his foundation. They had run away because they hated the foster parents. At first they complained about basically too much discipline. Then one of the boys described something that pretty much made it sound like the father was molesting the boys. Yet Sandusky's response had nothing to do with that abuse, and it didn't even seem to phase him.

I am amazed this hasn't been discussed more.
 
2012-06-12 12:32:18 PM  

fireclown: Fark Sandusky, double fark McQueary, and fark the entire Penn State football establishment.


These are the kind of farking morans we're talking about.

ww4.hdnux.com

Burn in Hell, JoePa.

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2012-06-12 12:32:52 PM  
One of the very telling things for me about Sandusky is that he received no jobs offers from any other universities after he left Penn State. It had to be rumored in the coaching circles, but without concrete proof, no one was willing to talk about it. My grandfather was the head football coach at a major university and the administration fired him because they were at the time trying to quietly kill the football program. He received several public offers, but decided he was done coaching football and switched careers. It was very suspicious that no one wanted Sandusky, the supposed heir to Paterno.
 
2012-06-12 12:33:12 PM  

desertgeek: And if I'm the prosecution, I put Sandusky up on the stand. Clearly, his own words are the best offense the prosecution has.


It doesn't work that way, unfortunately. You can not be forced to testify at your own trial. The good news is, this yutz is such a textbook narcissist, he will probably insist on testifying in his own defense. He will be convinced that the jury just needs to hear from him to understand that he's really a great guy, and everyone's got it all wrong. I hope to heck his attorney can't stop this. It would be lulzy fun indeed.
 
2012-06-12 12:34:44 PM  

Silly Jesus: Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?


It seems like he's saying that the otherwise-normal, gay Catholic supply of seminarians dried up, leaving a high concentration of pedophiles. However, it has been shown in limited studies that there isn't a higher proportion of pedophiles in the Catholic priesthood, but it is just such a big system and it turns out one that would protect them. Either way, perfect storm allowed to gestate over time... very bad results.
 
2012-06-12 12:34:54 PM  

sleeps in trees: I lost my life of 20 years disclosing. Family, friends, etc. left only with my husband and now it is finally comming full circle - 23 years later. Everyone knew but hey, don't rock the boat. Now they are singing like canaries.


I didn't tell anyone until I was over 30. To this day I don't think anyone close to the situation believes me. I don't tell people anymore because, no matter what they say, a male molested by another male is looked down upon.
 
2012-06-12 12:36:29 PM  

Silly Jesus: Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?


I do think that's what he was trying to say. While they're vastly different in terms of the target of the persons sexuality, the response to both was similar: denial, followed by an attempt to distance one's self from the "taboo". Unfortunately, in terms of the person, sexuality is too strong of a drive to be denied forever.
 
2012-06-12 12:36:39 PM  

SharkTrager: Just read an article on Sandusky and one things stunned me.

He tells a story about picking up 2 kids he had placed in a foster home through his foundation. They had run away because they hated the foster parents. At first they complained about basically too much discipline. Then one of the boys described something that pretty much made it sound like the father was molesting the boys. Yet Sandusky's response had nothing to do with that abuse, and it didn't even seem to phase him.

I am amazed this hasn't been discussed more.


There was that article about him pimping out kids to large donors: Link

Maybe what you are suggesting is the link. If these foster parents made large donations then they need to be investigated.
 
2012-06-12 12:36:58 PM  

steamingpile: fireclown: Fark Sandusky, double fark McQueary, and fark the entire Penn State football establishment.

Why mcqueary? He's the only one who followed up enough to force it to blow up, fark the other assistants who were "suspicious" but did nothing.


This. McQueary isn't perfect, but he is the main reason Sandusky is getting stopped. Serial child abusers are hard to prosecute because it is almost always the victim's word against the perpetrator's word--the crimes are almost never witnessed directly by someone outside of the abuse. McQeary's clear testimony as a third party witness is what gave the other accusers courage to come forward, because the victims know their version of events is going to be corroborated by someone from the outside.

McQueary agreed to testify knowing that he was going to compromise everything he had ever worked for. He's on indefinite leave from his job--a native of State College, he was trained from childhood to want to be a football player and coach. That's probably all gone now. He's had to put his house up for sale. He and his family get death threats daily from people who are mad at him for threatening the Penn State football culture, and death threats from people who think he didn't do enough early enough. And yet his example is teaching a lot of other coaches and administrators about how to take some farking responsibility for the safety of young people in their care. And it is giving victims in sports programs, youth programs and boarding schools the courage to come forward, now that awareness has been raised.

McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.
 
2012-06-12 12:38:21 PM  

namegoeshere: desertgeek: And if I'm the prosecution, I put Sandusky up on the stand. Clearly, his own words are the best offense the prosecution has.

It doesn't work that way, unfortunately. You can not be forced to testify at your own trial. The good news is, this yutz is such a textbook narcissist, he will probably insist on testifying in his own defense. He will be convinced that the jury just needs to hear from him to understand that he's really a great guy, and everyone's got it all wrong. I hope to heck his attorney can't stop this. It would be lulzy fun indeed.


After I posted that, I remembered hearing somewhere that the defense was considering putting him on the witness stand. So in cross examination, the prosecution could hammer him. At the minimum, I would play that Costas interview for the jury. If you can't get Sandusky on the stand, get him with his own words anyway.
 
2012-06-12 12:38:36 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Silly Jesus: Magorn: The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.

Wait, what? Seriously?

Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?

He very carefully went out of his way to make it clear he wasn't equating sexuality with paedophilia.

Gay people used to seek out the priesthood because they'd been raised to be ashamed of their sexuality and felt it was something they needed to fight.

Paedophiles seek out the priesthood either for that reason, or because hey, easy access to kids.


It was the bolded that got my back up. Strike the word "simply" and have it read, "...but now they were pedophiles instead of being gay" and it sounds much better. I think this was the OP's intention - the wording was just awkward. Perhaps because I am sensitive to such things.
 
2012-06-12 12:38:52 PM  

JerseyTim: Victim testifies Sandusky is gay but papers continue to say he's a pedophile. The coverup never ends.
- Catholic League (@CatholicLeague) June 12, 2012


One response to that kind of tweet in several hours' time? I don't think The Catholic League's twitter feed is much of a voice of an organization, although that sentiment is 100% Catholic League horsesh*t.

Maud Dib: Burn in Hell, JoePa.


The guy in the costume with the "keep quiet" sign might be satirizing the cover up. I'd hope so.
 
2012-06-12 12:40:12 PM  

desertgeek: I'm probably repeating what a lot of you have already said, but this sick twisted piece of shiat needs to die. If the jury, filled with people with Penn State ties, let's him get away; then someone needs to go into Penn State and shut the whole damn place down for the good of society because they're all farking brainwashed if they're going to let this pathetic being who can't be called human anymore be free.

And if I'm the prosecution, I put Sandusky up on the stand. Clearly, his own words are the best offense the prosecution has.


Okay A) people at Penn State hate Sandusky even more than you do. No one at the university wants this guy to walk; and B) it isn't up to the prosecution to put the defendant on the stand, Matlock.
 
2012-06-12 12:40:17 PM  

Arkanaut: topcon: [l3.yimg.com image 512x342]

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LEAVE LESLIE NIELSEN ALONE!


Yeah, wasn't it Peter Graves that was in the cockpit with Timmy?

/mmm....gladiator movies....
 
2012-06-12 12:43:31 PM  

desertgeek: And if I'm the prosecution, I put Sandusky up on the stand. Clearly, his own words are the best offense the prosecution has.


Do you really need someone to tell you that the prosecution cannot force Sandusky to take the stand?

It doesn't matter anyway - Sandusky will be spending the rest of his worthless life in prison.
 
2012-06-12 12:43:41 PM  
Given the new evidence of coverup by the administration, Penn State football should get the death penalty.
 
2012-06-12 12:43:49 PM  

factoryconnection: The guy in the costume with the "keep quiet" sign might be satirizing the cover up. I'd hope so.


Well, it is a pedo-bear costume, so....
 
2012-06-12 12:44:13 PM  
I see Sandusky killing himself or "killing himself" at some point in the futre. Either way he'll not live past 70.
 
2012-06-12 12:44:28 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

This is what I've been thinking. Ok, ok... hoping.


That's really his only option. Give him "Rommel's choice."
 
2012-06-12 12:46:25 PM  

farkingnotworking: desertgeek: I'm probably repeating what a lot of you have already said, but this sick twisted piece of shiat needs to die. If the jury, filled with people with Penn State ties, let's him get away; then someone needs to go into Penn State and shut the whole damn place down for the good of society because they're all farking brainwashed if they're going to let this pathetic being who can't be called human anymore be free.

And if I'm the prosecution, I put Sandusky up on the stand. Clearly, his own words are the best offense the prosecution has.

Okay A) people at Penn State hate Sandusky even more than you do. No one at the university wants this guy to walk; and B) it isn't up to the prosecution to put the defendant on the stand, Matlock.


tnpir: desertgeek: And if I'm the prosecution, I put Sandusky up on the stand. Clearly, his own words are the best offense the prosecution has.

Do you really need someone to tell you that the prosecution cannot force Sandusky to take the stand?

It doesn't matter anyway - Sandusky will be spending the rest of his worthless life in prison.


Read what I posted a bit later, people.
 
2012-06-12 12:49:12 PM  

Silly Jesus: Magorn: The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.

Wait, what? Seriously?

Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?


You're reading him wrong. The only similarity he links between the two is that both groups became priests/sought out the priesthood. He then goes out of his way to explain the difference.

He's saying "Gay people used to go to seminary because they felt their sexuality was wrong, and that being in the seminary might help them. After all, it was *gay sex* that was a sin, not simply being gay. But, as the times changed, and social attitudes altered, that wellspring of recruits dried up-gay people stopped feeling as much of a need to hide from themselves."

He then goes on to explain "So they started letting pedophiles in instead. This was a very bad idea, and distinctly different from letting gay people be priests."
 
2012-06-12 12:52:14 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: factoryconnection: The guy in the costume with the "keep quiet" sign might be satirizing the cover up. I'd hope so.

Well, it is a pedo-bear costume, so....


Last year's Cotton Bowl, UH vs. Penn State. I know the guy who wore the costume. It went viral on most sports related forums. Pretty sure it got on Fark also.
 
2012-06-12 12:52:57 PM  

farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.


Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.
 
2012-06-12 12:53:01 PM  

Maud Dib: fireclown: Fark Sandusky, double fark McQueary, and fark the entire Penn State football establishment.

These are the kind of farking morans we're talking about.

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Burn in Hell, JoePa.

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Um, that second image is someone *making fun* of Penn state. That's a dude in a pedobear costume wearing that sign.

factoryconnection: The guy in the costume with the "keep quiet" sign might be satirizing the cover up. I'd hope so.


He's in a pedobear costume. I'm pretty sure he's satirizing it.
 
2012-06-12 12:55:48 PM  

Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...


Tonight would be convenient.
 
2012-06-12 12:57:27 PM  

Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


And to be PROUD to be employed by and associated with an organization for a decade that not only turned a blind eye to but actively covered up years of child rape...

This speaks poorly of his character.
 
2012-06-12 12:58:27 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

Tonight would be convenient.


Wait a bit. I was all the victims who wish to do so to have the ability to confront him in court and tell the world what he did to them.
 
2012-06-12 12:58:32 PM  

Maud Dib: CapeFearCadaver: factoryconnection: The guy in the costume with the "keep quiet" sign might be satirizing the cover up. I'd hope so.

Well, it is a pedo-bear costume, so....

Last year's Cotton Bowl, UH vs. Penn State. I know the guy who wore the costume. It went viral on most sports related forums. Pretty sure it got on Fark also.


Nice. Yeah, it had to have made Fark at some point, I don't really go anywhere else.
 
2012-06-12 01:01:40 PM  

WTF Indeed: I don't know which threads will be more entertaining, these threads or when all the political fallout comes down from Corbett hiding this case while he was AG.

Bonusgate > Child Rape.


I'm not clear about timelines on this, but wasn't Corbett part of the Board of Trustees, as well? As someone with a career in academia, I find it impossible to believe that at least some members of the Board weren't completely knowledgeable about the accusations, and generally knowedgeable about what was going on. I think the administrators involved deserve whatever happens to them, but the board deserves at least that much as well, and so far it looks like they're getting away with just tossing people under the bus.
 
2012-06-12 01:04:21 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Krymson Tyde: I find it hard to believe he would intentionally commit career suicide by repeatedly displaying ineptness, but who knows?

He got a 16 year old client pregnant (later married her). If he's willing to risk career suicide by getting a 16 year old client pregnant, what makes you think he wouldn't risk career suicide in this case?


Men will risk a lot for sexual satisfaction- see also Bill Clinton, Jerry Sandusky- but what does Sandusky have to offer him in that area? He isn't a teenage girl and I doubt he has access to any.
 
2012-06-12 01:05:40 PM  
Where's the hero tag for the witness? Because getting up and talking about that, damn does he deserve it.
 
2012-06-12 01:05:43 PM  

namegoeshere: StoneColdAtheist: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

Tonight would be convenient.

Wait a bit. I was all the victims who wish to do so to have the ability to confront him in court and tell the world what he did to them.


How the hell does WANT turn into WAS??
 
2012-06-12 01:06:24 PM  
Like someone said upthread.... it boggles the mind why this wasn't fixed back in '02 if not in '98. PSU could have been very open with this back then and sent Jerry up Shiat's Creek with a turd for a paddle. There would have been some negative publicity for the school, sure... but at least Penn State could go on exclaiming how the school is the pinnacle of integrity, how even when something goes sour, the school does the right thing and makes things right without prodding from the outside. There would have been no coverup, and PSU would have been off the hook for the massive civil payouts that are now coming their way.

But no, these people decided to cover it up until shiat blew wide open. The rest of the university will now pay the price for the farkups of these few people. To think I was a student there sleeping in a dorm not far from where all this shiat went down sickens me. Fark Sandusky, fark Spanier, fark Schulze, fark Curley. McQueary at least did blow the whistle on up the chain, but he should have called the police. Same for JoePa. I don't hate on those two as much as the others, but man, they farked up bad.

I still believe, though, that this would have been swept under the rug even if they had called police... even in Harrisburg. But had McQueary and Paterno just done the needful, they could've at least claimed that they tried to do right.
 
2012-06-12 01:14:29 PM  

Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


I'm so impressed by all the folks who are sure about what they would do in such a situation. All the people who have, of course, never been in such a situation, who have never had to blow a hole in the environment of reified masculinity they were raised to worship-- all these people are so sure they would do a better job in McQeary's shoes.

My own personal experience in my 44 years of living (looking at myself, and others in some pretty tough situations) is that, when faced with ethical challenges and scary situations, most people are pussies. Most people are not going to do what puts their job at risk, or puts their family at risk, or (and I think this was McQeary's case) puts the very structures of identity upon which they have based their lives at risk. Rather, most people are going to talk themselves out of doing the right thing with rationalizations, self doubt, and hopes that others who are higher up are already taking care of it. It isn't right, but it's what happens--ALL THE TIME. To good people and to bad people. To people just like you.

That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.

Meanwhile, the more people vilify him, the less likely it is that other people in similar situations are going to risk speaking up.

I realize, however, that being an internet tough guy is really gratifying, and that the adrenalin surge you get from being outraged at others' shortcomings offers a nice high. This is Fark, after all, so you go ahead and massage your self-righteousness with the untested assurance that you would always succeed where many others have failed.

Or you could grow up.
 
2012-06-12 01:16:12 PM  
I have the weirdest boner.
 
2012-06-12 01:17:19 PM  

farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.


Doing the common decent thing isn't heroism it's your duty in a civilized society; just as is being a fair juror, or paying taxes.
 
2012-06-12 01:19:28 PM  

Yamaneko2: The juror profiles may be Sandusky's saving grace. Link However bad his lawyer is at cross-examination, he's quite good at juror selection.

Juror #7 is a Penn State senior who "works at a Penn State athletic facility and knows Steve Turchetta, the Clinton County high school coach who hired Sandusky as a volunteer assistant. He came to the courthouse wearing a navy T-shirt that read "Penn State archery." His cousin played football at Penn State under Joe Paterno and his mother works in the State College Area School District."

Juror #10 "is an administrative assistant at Penn State's College of Engineering"

Juror #11 "A dance teacher in Penn State's continuing education program ... She occasionally has conversations about the case with her husband, who is a media specialist at a transportation center at Penn State. She knows Kelly Hastings, a potential witness. "

Juror #12 "A female Penn State professor for 24 years who had a professional relationship with former president Graham Spanier, but the two had no social interaction."

That means Jurors #7 and possibly #11 are employed without tenure at Penn State, which means that Penn State can retaliate without consequence to itself. Hopefully Juror #10 has a good union, and Juror #12 has tenure.

It could be OJ and Casey Anthony all over again.


Do you really think Penn State is still in Sandusky's corner? It seems to me that the best thing for Penn State would be a speedy trial, with a quick guilty verdict. It's the fastest way to get past the public attention on this case and on the university.

I'm speculating, but I imagine the Penn State community wants Sandusky's head on a plate.
 
2012-06-12 01:22:20 PM  

namegoeshere: StoneColdAtheist: Optimus Primate: Dollars to doughnuts he takes his life before the end of it all...

Tonight would be convenient.

Wait a bit. I was all the victims who wish to do so to have the ability to confront him in court and tell the world what he did to them.


Good point...wouldn't want to deny those who wish to the opportunity to confront him before he blows his brains out. Of course, if he had a conscience in the first place he would never had done what he did, so we are unlikely to have the satisfaction of reading one morning that he's offed himself.
 
2012-06-12 01:24:40 PM  

farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.


10/10
 
2012-06-12 01:30:35 PM  

lohphat: farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.

Doing the common decent thing isn't heroism it's your duty in a civilized society; just as is being a fair juror, or paying taxes.


Paying taxes and serving jury duty aren't "decent things" that people do out of the goodness of their hearts. They are required to do those things by law. People do them because they would go to jail or be fined otherwise. A lot of the time they don't even perform those minimal civic duties anyway... Jesus, they can't even be bothered to vote most of the time.

There are lots of people out there, right now, who know about abuses, but they are not coming forward and their lives are going to be just fine. They won't go to jail. They won't be fined. They won't be lambasted by thousands of strangers for being too slow in reporting. Their families won't be bothered at banks and grocery stores and schools--that is their reward for doing the wrong thing. McQueary's reward for doing the right thing (admittedly, terribly late), is crap from every inexplicably superior internet dufus with fantasies of ethical flawlessness.
 
2012-06-12 01:32:00 PM  

grinding_journalist: dletter: Yeah, might be this too. You have a client that you basically know (or feel) like it dead guilty, but, they insist (maybe have themselves convinced in their own mind) that they haven't done anything wrong, so, you have to go forward. From the looks of it, he hasn't even attempted any sort of defense... he's actually said things and allowed witnesses to say things like he is the prosecution.

My brother recently sat in on a negotiation session with one of the senior partners in his firm, the federal prosecutor, and a guy who had been arrested for manufacture and sale of meth. In Missouri (not that it isn't elsewhere) meth is something of a problem, and as such, the authorities generally don't take too kindly to someone with 6 kilos of crystal, 50,000 tablets, and the equipment and facilities to manufacture and distribute it. (whoda thunk?)

The prosecutor came into the room, and asked the guy his name, address, birthday, place of birth, etc. He then tossed a folio of photos on the table, the first of which was the front of the guys' house; the prosecutor asked him to confirm that this was his place of residence; he did. The rest of the photos where like frames from a point and click adventure game, where one click moves you 6 feet forward- next one was at the door, door open, stepping inside, inside view, etc. These photos chronicled his meth manufacturing setup, as well as vast quantities of finished drug. The prosecutor then explained that there was no way he'd win in court, so why not deal? Give up two of your distribution contacts, go into rehab, house arrest for 6 months (or something, detention not in jail) and 5 years of probation with drug tests, home visits, etc.

My brother and his partner were SHOCKED. No jail time, from a FEDERAL case? That never happens, especially with drugs, even more so with this quantity, and doubly more so in Missouri. They strongly advised the client take the deal, as there was NO WAY he'd do better in court.

His response ...


Give up two of your distribution contacts

Depending on who these distribution contacts were, he'd probably be on a quick train to deadville. Not everyone can be as bad ass of a meth cook as Walter White.

Quick death for giving up your distributors... or have a life in jail? Guess some will choose life.
 
2012-06-12 01:33:57 PM  

lohphat: farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.

Doing the common decent thing isn't heroism it's your duty in a civilized society; just as is being a fair juror, or paying taxes.


It might not be heroic, but I imagine the number of people willing throw away everything they've worked to build in the previous 30 years to do the decent thing is pretty small.
 
2012-06-12 01:42:56 PM  
I hope I'm never in the position of McQueary or the parents of these kids. I am very lucky to have never been in the position of these kids.

If I ever do witness anything like this, I hope I am strong enough to call the cops, CYS, and anyone else I can think of to protect the young people involved.

No one should ever have to put up with that in their lives. I hope this trial gives a measure of peace to all the people who were negatively impacted by the events.

I'm a father, and I don't have a clue how I would react to someone forcing this type of situation on my kids. It makes me sick to think about it.
 
2012-06-12 01:43:50 PM  

kronicfeld: Inept? He's fighting a tank with a toothpick. When all of the facts are stacked against you, even the best lawyer in the world isn't going to have a good day in court. I strongly suspect that Amendola advised his client to take whatever deal he could get from the Commonwealth, but Sandusky insists on fighting it.


This. A lawyer's job, at least under adversarial systems of trial, is to make the best possible arguments for his side of the case (or her side, as the case may be). For all that these arguments sound weak and inept, I strongly suspect that they really are the best one can make for Sandusky.
 
2012-06-12 01:45:18 PM  

funzyr: I hope I'm never in the position of McQueary or the parents of these kids. I am very lucky to have never been in the position of these kids.

If I ever do witness anything like this, I hope I am strong enough to call the cops, CYS, and anyone else I can think of to protect the young people involved.

No one should ever have to put up with that in their lives. I hope this trial gives a measure of peace to all the people who were negatively impacted by the events.

I'm a father, and I don't have a clue how I would react to someone forcing this type of situation on my kids. It makes me sick to think about it.


Yeah. This.
 
2012-06-12 01:45:47 PM  

Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


Yeah, I'd like to think that about myself, too. Unfortunately, that's not what McQueary saw. What he saw was a friend/coach/mentor that he had known as family in a close-knit team environment since childhood, doing something so unconscionable that he panicked.

Imagine yourself in that situation and it's your grandfather in the shower with a kid. If I didn't pass out completely, I am pretty sure I'd be in a dead sprint halfway across campus before my brain even began to sort out what I had just seen.
 
2012-06-12 01:46:38 PM  

farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.


That he came forward eventually is heroic, but it does not erase the sins he committed in delaying: it merely means that he came to his senses and his role in enabling this is over. That he finally did the right thing should be acknowledged and encouraged, but he still has much to answer for.
 
2012-06-12 01:47:05 PM  

Optimus Primate: Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...


Exactly why a bullet would have been an easier fix.
 
2012-06-12 01:47:40 PM  

Silly Jesus: Magorn: The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.

Wait, what? Seriously?

Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?


Oh good god I should have been clearer. The Second, most defintely the second. My argument was that the Church ran on Gay men in the 50's because of the societal/religious disapproval of homosexuality made the priesthood one of the few places a gay man could find a niche in society that was respectable, and didn't require him to construct an elaborate facade to appear "normal". Gay liberation in the 60's and 70's gave gay men the option of living openly and so the celibate route no longer appealed to many of those who would have been drawn to the Church in earlier decade.

By the mid -80's there was almost no one going into the Seminary anymore and many of those that were had serious issues that would have gotten them kicked out before that. Among that group were a large number of pedophiles who either saw the church as a way to get at their victims, or a way to run away from thier sexual urges.

The problem was UNLIKE Gay men, who had served the church very ably in the previous generation; pedophiles are mentally ill, and often not in real control of their sexual urges. It was The Church that was blind to this crucial difference, and unleashed the horror we are dealing with today
 
2012-06-12 01:48:39 PM  

funzyr: I hope I'm never in the position of McQueary or the parents of these kids. I am very lucky to have never been in the position of these kids.

If I ever do witness anything like this, I hope I am strong enough to call the cops, CYS, and anyone else I can think of to protect the young people involved.

No one should ever have to put up with that in their lives. I hope this trial gives a measure of peace to all the people who were negatively impacted by the events.

I'm a father, and I don't have a clue how I would react to someone forcing this type of situation on my kids. It makes me sick to think about it.


I agree. I'm a father as well, No clue what I'd do if someone dared to harm my daughter, but it would probably involve lots and lots of violence. If I ever witnessed something like that, I'm quite sure I would at the very least have the police on the phone at once. But then I don't work in a culture where work (football) is LIFE. I'd gladly lose my job if it meant protecting children. I don't understand why anyone would act any differently, but again I was not raised in an environment where something (football) is SO pervasive that it's literally the only thing that matters to many involved.

Not at all defending him, just trying to understand his mentality at the time.
 
2012-06-12 01:49:27 PM  

Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


Witnessing such an event may have placed Mr. McQueary in such a state of shock that he was later unable to establish whether the event had actually occurred or whether it was a hallucination.
 
2012-06-12 01:50:44 PM  

abhorrent1: I have the weirdest boner.


Want to wrestle and then get a nice hot shower?
 
2012-06-12 01:52:19 PM  

Jerkwater: Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.

Yeah, I'd like to think that about myself, too. Unfortunately, that's not what McQueary saw. What he saw was a friend/coach/mentor that he had known as family in a close-knit team environment since childhood, doing something so unconscionable that he panicked.

Imagine yourself in that situation and it's your grandfather in the shower with a kid. If I didn't pass out completely, I am pretty sure I'd be in a dead sprint halfway across campus before my brain even began to sort out what I had just seen.


I understand that, but I'm very old fashioned about certain things, and one of them is the defense of the weak and helpless. The minimum I would expect of myself, or anyone else in that situation is to take immediate and violent, if necessary, action to stop the attack on that child. Doing less than that, and in fact not immediately reporting what he knew to the police, makes him somewhat culpable for what happened to that child and some of Sandusky's subsequent victims. Now that does need to be balanced against the fact that he DID eventually speak up, and without him this prosecution might never have happened
 
2012-06-12 01:52:36 PM  

funzyr: If I ever do witness anything like this, I hope I am strong enough to call the cops, CYS, and anyone else I can think of to protect the young people involved.


Why wouldn't you be? Calling the cops on someone isn't a dishonorable act.
 
2012-06-12 01:54:55 PM  

Millennium: farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.

That he came forward eventually is heroic, but it does not erase the sins he committed in delaying: it merely means that he came to his senses and his role in enabling this is over. That he finally did the right thing should be acknowledged and encouraged, but he still has much to answer for.


The details are becomming muddied after so many fark thread rehashes. WHY did he come forward at this time, a decade later? Was it spontaneously, out of the goodness of his own heart, with no prompting other than realizing that the story needed to be told? Or was it because the story broke when a victim dosclosed, and the resulting investigation led back to the observed shower scene, and McQ's conversation with JoePa the next day?
 
2012-06-12 01:58:57 PM  

JackieRabbit: abhorrent1: I have the weirdest boner.

Want to wrestle and then get a nice hot shower?


Sorry about my penis getting in your mouth. Don'y know how that happened.
 
2012-06-12 01:59:47 PM  

Matthew Keene: JackieRabbit: abhorrent1: I have the weirdest boner.

Want to wrestle and then get a nice hot shower?

Sorry about my penis getting in your mouth. Don'y know how that happened.


dont talk while the kid is working
 
2012-06-12 02:06:17 PM  

fireclown: funzyr: If I ever do witness anything like this, I hope I am strong enough to call the cops, CYS, and anyone else I can think of to protect the young people involved.

Why wouldn't you be? Calling the cops on someone isn't a dishonorable act.


Because I understand that my mind doesn't work like that and I am afraid it might take at least a few days for me to do anything besides kick the perpetrator's teeth in.
 
2012-06-12 02:16:03 PM  

Felgraf:
Um, that second image is someone *making fun* of Penn state. That's a dude in a pedobear costume wearing that sign.



No kidding?

I threw that in there for the lulz, didn't mean to imply that he was lumped in with the Ped St. morans.
 
2012-06-12 02:18:19 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Based on what I read in the grand jury reports, I want his wife to go to jail, too.


Farking biatch knew about it. She needs to go to jail for the hell she let happen to these kids.


Link

Yesterday's testimony came from "Victim 4." Now 28, he has said Sandusky sexually abused him more than 50 times. At one point, he testified, Dottie Sandusky walked in on a bathroom encounter with the former coach.
 
2012-06-12 02:20:46 PM  
Running blog of the trial is here. They're currently on break until the top of the hour.

It's one of those updates where the latest stuff goes to the top, so start at the bottom and work your way up.

12:20 - #sandusky trial on break until 1pm

12:19 - CYS worker: #sandusky admitted he blew on 1's stomach. Denied sexual contact.

12:17 - She says 1 was nervous and maybe backwards, but very polite. By 2nd mtg with 1, there was enough shared to indicate child abuse

12:15 - Now up: Clinton County Children and Youth worker. She was called by school district of alleged victim 1

12:14 - Hotel manager dismissed, new hotel employee called. Says she was at pool with her grandchildren, saw #sandusky there with boy

12:12 - Grandfather is dismissed. Next witness is hotel employee who says she was advised to give #sandusky key to pool and gym for him and 2nd Mile kids

12:09 - Probably the only light moment so far today: describing a state trooper....accuser 1 said "he looks like Adam Sandler"

12:08 - On cross exam, 1 broke down again and asked Amendola to stop asking him the same questions over and over

12:05 - Grandfather of alleged victim 1 is called to the stand. 1's testimony lasted two hours

10:45 - Recess until 11am

10:43 - Like Accuser 4, 1 says he doesn't want to be here. He's now less emotional, instead getting a little defensive w Amendola.

10:43 - Amendola asks 1 why he has a civil attny. He answers his mom's boss advised them.

10:42 - Talking about coach interrupting them in wrestling case: "i felt relief - nothing was going to happen at a school"

10:40 - 1: one of the only nights I got decent sleep was when he was cracking my back and Dottie called downstairs and he stopped

10:39 - Cross examination of Alleged Victim 1 begins just before 10AM. Prosecution questioned him for one hour.

10:38 - 1: I was scared that with all his connections he could hurt me or someone close to me

10:37 - 1: school first told me "he has a heart of gold..." "they didn't believe me" Then we went to CYS.

10:36 - 1: My mom got worried when JS wouldn't stop calling. She set up an appt w my guidance counselor

10:34 - 1: One time I didn't meet him at school, he followed my bus, followed me when I got off at bus stop

10:33 - 1: Sandusky started showing up at my middle school, taking me out of school.

10:33 - He says by 2008 when he was in 9th grade he decided to start avoiding #Sandusky. He'd hide under pool table or in crawl space.

10:31 - Accuser 1 says he eventually quit football even though he liked it bc it meant he'd have to see Sandusky more

10:23 - Accuser 1 says Dottie was always upstairs when the molesting happened

10:14 - He's now describing first time #Sandusky forced him to perform oral sex on him. "he said....it's your turn."

10:12 - A court employee had to bring tissues him on the stand.

10:05 - Accuser 1 is much more emotional and vulnerable than Accuser 4. He is also ten years younger.

9:54 - "...i didn't know what to do. All these thoughtd running through my head...i blacked out. I didn't want it to happen"

9:48 - - That turned into kissing on the lips, and Sandusky putting his hand under the back of his pants

9:47 - That turned into kissing on the lips, and Sandusky putting his hand under the back of his pants

9:41 - every time he stayed downstairs, he says Sandusky would kiss his cheek, forehead, and would crack his back

9:40 - He says at first he'd stay upstairs at Sandusky house, but then stayed downstairs.

9:37 - Alleged victim 1 states first awkward contact involved Sandusky putting his hand on his leg while driving

9:26 - #Sandusky is watching and listening to testimony

9:24 - Alleged victim 1 just graduated from high school last week.

9:23 - He grew up in Lock Haven, where he lived with his mom and siblings. They lived in public housing, he never knew his dad.

9:05 - Accuser 1 is now 18 years old.

Court begins 9am with Alleged Victim 1 called to stand
 
2012-06-12 02:21:38 PM  
Y'know, it's weird...and I'm not conflating the two AT ALL. But after reading all the discussion of Sandusky's behaviors, I'm beginning to wonder if his particular flavor of sociopathy/pedophilia is more similar to the mental illness that causes hoarding - specifically, animal hoarding - than to a narcissistic predator. He truly seems to believe he was doing those forgotten kids some good, and doesn't acknowledge, or seemingly recognize, that he was doing immeasureable harm. It's sort of like the crazy cat lady who insists, INSISTS, that she really really really loves animals and takes good care of them: meanwhile, she's utterly oblivious to the fact that her packed-in "rescues" are sick, infested w/parasites, living in filth, malnourished/starving, even dying. We on the outside can only point and gasp (& hurl) when a women who pries up emaciated cat corpses from the feces-encrusted floor of her house and stashes them in the freezer, then heads out to collect more strays, says she is fine, nothing is wrong, she's the real victim here, why does everyone pick on her when all she wants to do is help cats?

I dunno, I'm no psychologist. Just kind of struck me.

TL;DR - Sandusky's seriously mentally ill and should be chemically castrated and insitutionalized for life.
 
2012-06-12 02:22:29 PM  

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R.I.P Tony Amendola

 
2012-06-12 02:24:32 PM  
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RIP, Tony Alemeda
 
2012-06-12 02:29:00 PM  
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2012-06-12 02:31:28 PM  

Magorn: The church, too mired in their own disinofrmation, never really understood this, and so had no idea what they unleashed on the church their congregations by allowing these men to take holy orders


FTFY
 
2012-06-12 02:38:49 PM  

Pick13: Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


I wish he'd called the cops, but the police are not the cure-all that we'd like them to be in these cases, at least according to people that work in this field have told me personally. Reporting it via the Penn State chain was correct by the rules for McQueary, and if everyone above him had done even his half-assed job of reacting, it would have ended within a week. Paterno, evidently, notified the AD and the VP by the rules (his account wouldn't have been enough for the police, they'd need the witness). The required reporters (Curley and Schultz) did not make the required report... they had a clear obligation to report it outside of PSU and they didn't.

Remember that in '98 the police investigated Sandusky with a living, breathing victim and an enraged mother, but they couldn't get the case to move forward because the child wouldn't say that he'd done anything actually criminal.

Seriously: you want results out of suspected child abuse? Call Child Protective Services not the police. They're familiar with the way abusers work, cover their tracks, et. al and know how to handle victims and whistleblowers.
 
2012-06-12 02:42:20 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Silly Jesus: Magorn: The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.

Wait, what? Seriously?

Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?

He very carefully went out of his way to make it clear he wasn't equating sexuality with paedophilia.

Gay people used to seek out the priesthood because they'd been raised to be ashamed of their sexuality and felt it was something they needed to fight.

Paedophiles seek out the priesthood either for that reason, or because hey, easy access to kids.


My apologies to him then. T'was a failure on my part, obviously.
 
2012-06-12 02:42:58 PM  

Millennium: farkingnotworking: That McQeary came forward late is a tragedy, but that he did indeed speak up eventually is heroic.

That he came forward eventually is heroic, but it does not erase the sins he committed in delaying: it merely means that he came to his senses and his role in enabling this is over. That he finally did the right thing should be acknowledged and encouraged, but he still has much to answer for.


I don't think we know enough to justly condemn McQueary. Did he know anything about the 1998 charges? I suspect he must have known something, he was the school's head quarterback the previous year and was very much an insider in the Penn State football program. If he did know about that situation, if he knew that the police had been contacted and absolutely nothing came of it, and the man was allowed to retire in peace, how would that affect his actions? Maybe I'm the paranoid type, but I would assume the fix was in, the sick fark had friends in high places, and there was no point in getting the law involved. And if you can't call the police, who do you turn to? The media? Tell them this story, and your reasons for not approaching the police, and see if they don't treat you like a lunatic. I think he tried to work through the school because it seemed like the only way to get tangible results; they had at least forced Sandusky into retirement when the police did nothing, perhaps they could bar him from campus or take some other actions against him. I think the vitriol aimed at McQueary probably should be directed elsewhere, including at Penn State and law enforcement officials who have not yet been mentioned in connection with this case.
 
2012-06-12 02:45:52 PM  
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2012-06-12 02:45:53 PM  

factoryconnection: Seriously: you want results out of suspected child abuse? Call Child Protective Services not the police. They're familiar with the way abusers work, cover their tracks, et. al and know how to handle victims and whistleblowers.


That's actually a very good point. Though wouldn't the police get them involved at some point anyway? It would certainly make sense to have someone familiar with abuse, child psychology, etc. doing the investigative work more so than a cop who just asks questions and doesn't see the fear and intimidation in the answers (or non-answers). Perhaps law enforcement should work more closely with social services in cases like this.
 
2012-06-12 02:51:19 PM  

Magorn: Silly Jesus: Magorn: The came the 70's and Being gay was becoming societally accepted and those men no longer felt compelled to hide out in semenaries, and "vocations" began to drop to near-zero. Many of those that WERE signing up we still seeking refuge from thier own sexuality, but now they were pedophiles rather than simply gay. The Church, in many cases knew this from thier psych screenings, but took the men anyway because of the critical shortage of recruits.

Wait, what? Seriously?

Am I misreading you, or are you equating homosexuality with pedophilia?

Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?

Oh good god I should have been clearer. The Second, most defintely the second. My argument was that the Church ran on Gay men in the 50's because of the societal/religious disapproval of homosexuality made the priesthood one of the few places a gay man could find a niche in society that was respectable, and didn't require him to construct an elaborate facade to appear "normal". Gay liberation in the 60's and 70's gave gay men the option of living openly and so the celibate route no longer appealed to many of those who would have been drawn to the Church in earlier decade.

By the mid -80's there was almost no one going into the Seminary anymore and many of those that were had serious issues that would have gotten them kicked out before that. Among that group were a large number of pedophiles who either saw the church as a way to get at their victims, or a way to run away from thier sexual urges.

The problem was UNLIKE Gay men, who had served the church very ably in the previous generation; pedophiles are mentally ill, and often not in real control of their sexual urges. It was The Church that was blind to this crucial difference, and unleashed the horror we are dealing with today


Ah, makes sense. Sorry for my confusion. As someone pointed out above, I think it was the "they were pedophiles, rather than simply being gay". The "simply" implies "in addition to."

Interesting history lesson though (I'll assume it's accurate until I have time for further reading). Thank you.
 
2012-06-12 02:53:30 PM  

Pick13: farkingnotworking: McQeary could have done the easy thing and kept his mouth shut. He's have his job, his family would be safer, and he'd still be a budding sports hero in his home town. He put that all at risk to do the right thing. Give the guy a farking break.

Really? Farking really? I don't know about you but, if I saw a child being raped I wouldn't turn around and walk out the shower. All McQeary had to do is call the cops (or puch the d-bag) and this whole thing would of have been over with a DECADE ago.


I'm not defending him as strongly as the guy who quoted me but if A) he didn't report it and B) he didn't follow up then nothing would have happened at all.

Also it hasn't been a decade, it was 6 years at the most before the follow up and a couple years after that they couldn't cover it up any longer.

For those saying it was easy, think of this: you had a dream to do this your entire life and finally got there then you have this choice to either keep quiet or take a huge shiat on your dreams and give up any chance of ever achieving it. Sure all of you say, "HES farkING A KID, ITS AN EASY CHOICE!!!!" I agree, but then working or coaching in football is not my dream so its an easier choice for me and I imagine if you have kids its an easier choice.

My real hatred is saved for.the coach mentioned in the article who was "suspicious" of him but said nothing to the cops.
 
2012-06-12 03:00:23 PM  

Magorn: It was The Church that was blind to this crucial difference, and unleashed the horror we are dealing with today


They should be good at it by now, one would think. Lord knows they've had plenty of practice over the centuries.
 
2012-06-12 03:06:03 PM  

desertgeek: namegoeshere: desertgeek: And if I'm the prosecution, I put Sandusky up on the stand. Clearly, his own words are the best offense the prosecution has.

It doesn't work that way, unfortunately. You can not be forced to testify at your own trial. The good news is, this yutz is such a textbook narcissist, he will probably insist on testifying in his own defense. He will be convinced that the jury just needs to hear from him to understand that he's really a great guy, and everyone's got it all wrong. I hope to heck his attorney can't stop this. It would be lulzy fun indeed.

After I posted that, I remembered hearing somewhere that the defense was considering putting him on the witness stand. So in cross examination, the prosecution could hammer him. At the minimum, I would play that Costas interview for the jury. If you can't get Sandusky on the stand, get him with his own words anyway.


The link to the article that says Sandusky intends to testify is in the middle of this article. Now that's an incredibly stupid thing to do considering his interview with Costas but I think he's deluded enough to do it and don't know if his attorney can stop him. If he testifies I don't think he'll be able to avoid incriminating himself that would be perfect.
 
2012-06-12 03:07:02 PM  
I'm far from naive, but I guess I just have never understood how people can let others abuse children and do nothing. It's one thing if you are the child being abused, you are damn near helpless.

But an adult in 20th century America has to know that he/she has little to fear from kid farkers by exposing the crime. I don't care who the kid farker is. How do people live with themselves, knowing about this shiat and doing nothing about it? Not well, I hope.
 
2012-06-12 03:24:51 PM  

T.M.S.: The best he can hope for is to be burried in secret so his corpse won't be violated.

Unless he has an angle.


Hangin's too good for him! Burnin's too good for him!
 
2012-06-12 03:27:32 PM  
Kudos to those witnesses. Really can't imagine how difficult it is.
 
2012-06-12 03:28:37 PM  
In the mega-thread about the father who beat to death the guy who was attempting to molest his child, I said that pedophilia should be treated as the mental illness it is, rather than having these unfortunate cretins shuffled off to jail, where they receive no treatment and are most times, killed by fellow inmates. Just like drug addicts shouldn't be put in prison, either. That's for a different thread, though.

Jerry Sandusky is an evil, malignant tumor and should be locked away in an asylum for the rest of his natural life, while getting the best mental health care the state of Pennsylvania can provide. He's not insane, but he's a sick, sick man. I'd have hard time mustering any sympathy if he chose to suck-start a 12 gauge, though. While I understand that sick people need help, sometimes the sickness is so repugnant that you have a hard time NOT thinking that them just becoming a pool of blood on the floor is a good idea.
 
2012-06-12 03:32:09 PM  
He is a registered Republican, I'll bet he walks free.

Unlike these losers.
 
2012-06-12 03:42:23 PM  

steamingpile: My real hatred is saved for.the coach mentioned in the article who was "suspicious" of him but said nothing to the cops.


That will get you nowhere, I can tell you right now. My wife, a trained and skilled counselor for victims has made perfect, by-the-numbers reports on child abuse and seen a whole lot of jack sh*t come of it in the past. That's with a litany of specific issues included in the report, mind you, from someone with no motivation whatsoever to hedge her report against the abuser.

Tom Bradley calls 911 because he thinks Sandusky's a creep? Especially given what happened in '98 where the kid wouldn't comply with the investigation, that's a non-starter. Police come knockin' at the young victim's door, and remember these are kids that have been in trouble before, and people clam up quick.

nekom: Though wouldn't the police get them involved at some point anyway?


The police are very intimidating to a lot of folks along with being fairly ignorant when it comes to abuse cases. CPS is purpose-built to root these things out; the police are (again according to the people that are in this field with whom I'm very close) too broadly focused.

Even in the Sandusky case; as soon as CPS started an investigation into reports of recent, still-underage victims, his bail went from personal recognizance to "no contact with kids, wear this ankle monitor, and oh by the way we'll need the deed to your house as collateral."
 
2012-06-12 03:50:12 PM  
3:32 - Someone sitting in court room in support of #Sandusky mutters "he's such a liar" during McQueary's testimony

3:32 - McQueary says he heard skin on skin slapping, then saw subtle movement in Sandusky's midsection when he looked in shower


Link
 
2012-06-12 03:56:51 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I'm far from naive, but I guess I just have never understood how people can let others abuse children and do nothing. It's one thing if you are the child being abused, you are damn near helpless.

But an adult in 20th century America has to know that he/she has little to fear from kid farkers by exposing the crime. I don't care who the kid farker is. How do people live with themselves, knowing about this shiat and doing nothing about it? Not well, I hope.


It's because people don't see the immediate harm or danger in the situation. I would think that if he walked into the shower and a fully clothed Sandusky was in there beating the shiat out of the kid while he was pleading for help and begging him to stop... McQueary woulda run in there and beat his ass... or at least stopped it. But seeing a kid possibly getting butt-farked by him sets off a different set of reactions. It's weird... completely uncomfortable and your brain just wants you to get away from it.
 
2012-06-12 04:00:48 PM  

Harry Zach OBalls: 3:32 - Someone sitting in court room in support of #Sandusky mutters "he's such a liar" during McQueary's testimony


That person muttering when all the victims are describing their stuff too?

Christ.
 
2012-06-12 04:03:44 PM  
3:32 - Someone sitting in court room in support of #Sandusky mutters "he's such a liar" during McQueary's testimony


Wonder what the judge thought about that?
 
2012-06-12 04:06:41 PM  

dletter: Harry Zach OBalls: 3:32 - Someone sitting in court room in support of #Sandusky mutters "he's such a liar" during McQueary's testimony

That person muttering when all the victims are describing their stuff too?

Christ.


Sandusky is apparently attempting a late in life career move into ventriloquy.
 
2012-06-12 04:07:19 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I'm far from naive, but I guess I just have never understood how people can let others abuse children and do nothing. It's one thing if you are the child being abused, you are damn near helpless.

But an adult in 20th century America has to know that he/she has little to fear from kid farkers by exposing the crime. I don't care who the kid farker is. How do people live with themselves, knowing about this shiat and doing nothing about it? Not well, I hope.


Here is a way they don't come forward, when the university already knows about it and covered it up once while giving him no punishment. Now imagine that you feel the need to report an incident but you know if you get too vocal you will lose basically everything you worked for and will be locked out of your chosen profession.

When your superiors control not only your life but the enforcement of laws in the area then you are pretty farked unless you take the hit and screwing up your complete life is a hard choice to make.

I really want all the PSU higher ups to be punished, well except for joepa, he's already been punished.
 
2012-06-12 04:08:26 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I'm far from naive, but I guess I just have never understood how people can let others abuse children and do nothing. It's one thing if you are the child being abused, you are damn near helpless.

But an adult in 20th century America has to know that he/she has little to fear from kid farkers by exposing the crime. I don't care who the kid farker is. How do people live with themselves, knowing about this shiat and doing nothing about it? Not well, I hope.


never underestimate the human animal's capability for self-delusion. There isn't no risk for adult accusers, look what happened to the mom of the boy who came home with wet hair, look at what happened to the family of the girl from yesterday's thread. Child predators are skilled and charming sociopaths who profile and "seduce" their victims. They have large social cicles and charm everyone in their circle. These long term serial offenders are pillars of the community who specialize in "helping troubled youth" When a troubled youth comes forward with this sort of allegation no one wants to believe that such a good person is capable of such a monsterous crime so the troubled youth is lying for attention or something. Troubled kids rarely come from ideal situations so there's no one these kids they feel safe telling and kids don't always have the words anyway, once sexual abuse comes to light the victim usually has a long history as a troublemaker. So you have the word of a troublemaker not very eloquent kid against the word of a charming pillar of the community. There's also a lot of guilt once it's undeniable people start to think back and see all the warning signs they missed there are many people in the world who would rather deny that anything happened rather than deal with their guilt from being a party to something so terrible. Human's ability to cope and flat out deny the reality of horrific situations has allowed our species to survive unimaginable horror when individuals were helpless to change the situation by pretending it's all okay; however, it also allows us to pretend it's all okay when we could change the situation but it's easier to live in a comfortable bubble.
 
2012-06-12 04:16:32 PM  

fireclown: This might be a good night to re-watch "sleepers"


Good call. Great film.
 
2012-06-12 04:19:01 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I'm far from naive, but I guess I just have never understood how people can let others abuse children and do nothing. It's one thing if you are the child being abused, you are damn near helpless.

But an adult in 20th century America has to know that he/she has little to fear from kid farkers by exposing the crime. I don't care who the kid farker is. How do people live with themselves, knowing about this shiat and doing nothing about it? Not well, I hope.


If he has little to fear, why did he receive death threats and was forced into hiding after exposing the crime? This isn't a case of him walking in on a stranger, he knew that there would be huge personal repercussions by going to the police, so he did what he thought was right by taking it to Joe Pa.
 
2012-06-12 04:22:56 PM  

PoochUMD: If he has little to fear, why did he receive death threats and was forced into hiding after exposing the crime? This isn't a case of him walking in on a stranger, he knew that there would be huge personal repercussions by going to the police, so he did what he thought was right by taking it to Joe Pa.


Actually in his contract that is his chain of command, technically he could have been fired for going directly to the police, unless it got out which it probably wouldnt since the college controls law enforcement in the area.
 
2012-06-12 04:33:59 PM  

catchow: Y'know, it's weird...and I'm not conflating the two AT ALL. But after reading all the discussion of Sandusky's behaviors, I'm beginning to wonder if his particular flavor of sociopathy/pedophilia is more similar to the mental illness that causes hoarding - specifically, animal hoarding - than to a narcissistic predator. He truly seems to believe he was doing those forgotten kids some good, and doesn't acknowledge, or seemingly recognize, that he was doing immeasureable harm. It's sort of like the crazy cat lady who insists, INSISTS, that she really really really loves animals and takes good care of them: meanwhile, she's utterly oblivious to the fact that her packed-in "rescues" are sick, infested w/parasites, living in filth, malnourished/starving, even dying. We on the outside can only point and gasp (& hurl) when a women who pries up emaciated cat corpses from the feces-encrusted floor of her house and stashes them in the freezer, then heads out to collect more strays, says she is fine, nothing is wrong, she's the real victim here, why does everyone pick on her when all she wants to do is help cats?

I dunno, I'm no psychologist. Just kind of struck me.

TL;DR - Sandusky's seriously mentally ill and should be chemically castrated and insitutionalized for life.


You may not be far off.

I have a psych friend that dealt with Pedo's in an institutional setting (yes she DID work for a MHS that contracted with a major religious denomination, why do you ask?) and She's fairly convinced that at least some part of Pedophilia is tied together with obsessive compulsive disorders. She bases this on the frequency with which this guys offend, or think about offending or plan thier next offense. Even serial rapists who favor adult victims often go months even years between attack, and one that racked up a dozen victims would be noteworthy. However its not at all uncommon for pedos to have multiple dozens, even sometimes 100+ victims, or to have many many attacks on the same victim.
 
2012-06-12 04:53:00 PM  

farkingnotworking: They are required to do those things by law.


Concealing a felony is against the law. Coming forward later still doesn't make him a hero.
 
2012-06-12 04:57:23 PM  
www.danzfamily.com
Go on.....

/obscure?
 
2012-06-12 05:50:49 PM  

Harry Zach OBalls: 3:32 - McQueary says he heard skin on skin slapping, then saw subtle movement in Sandusky's midsection when he looked in shower


yup. And then he just . . . . . . . walked out. And later on reported it to a FOOTBALL COACH.
 
2012-06-12 06:03:56 PM  

sleeps in trees: SharkTrager: sleeps in trees: I lost my life of 20 years disclosing. Family, friends, etc. left only with my husband and now it is finally comming full circle - 23 years later. Everyone knew but hey, don't rock the boat. Now they are singing like canaries.

I didn't tell anyone until I was over 30. To this day I don't think anyone close to the situation believes me. I don't tell people anymore because, no matter what they say, a male molested by another male is looked down upon.

For what it's worth, I believe you. I do and everyone around you knows, so keep that close to you. They are keeping the norm and don't know how to deal with it. Deep down they know, but they all have the "avoid the shiatshow and bake cookies" mechanism. I used to compare it to Kitty on the 70's Show.

It will come full circle, I promise.


I appreciate it, but it's been a decade. They're not going to change. I believe my set-father went to his grave thinking I made it up, and my mother bounced between swearing she had no idea and playing it off as if she was somehow the victim. (She tends to do that). Now it's just one of those things that is out there that everyone pretends isn't there.

The roughest part is that you can't tell people. Sometimes you want to so they get some idea what you react the way you do, but as soon as you do the relationship changes. I've had maybe 2 friends that didn't suddenly get weird about it. And forget telling a woman you're serious with.

That and when people tell me to reach out to the asshole and make peace with him because I'll regret it when he's gone. He still denies it ever happened. There is zero reason to bring a person like that back in to my life.
 
2012-06-12 06:16:21 PM  
What defense lawyer would want this case?

At least he's trying.
 
2012-06-12 06:26:49 PM  

SharkTrager: I appreciate it, but it's been a decade. They're not going to change. I believe my set-father went to his grave thinking I made it up, and my mother bounced between swearing she had no idea and playing it off as if she was somehow the victim. (She tends to do that). Now it's just one of those things that is out there that everyone pretends isn't there.

The roughest part is that you can't tell people. Sometimes you want to so they get some idea what you react the way you do, but as soon as you do the relationship changes. I've had maybe 2 friends that didn't suddenly get weird about it. And forget telling a woman you're serious with.

That and when people tell me to reach out to the asshole and make peace with him because I'll regret it when he's gone. He still denies it ever happened. There is zero reason to bring a person like that back in to my life.



So true. When it comes to childhood sexual abuse, the victim is always the one to blame.

The molester always justifies it in their head, so in their opinion they are not to blame.

The other family members feel guilt for not stopping it, so they blame the victim to relieve their conscience. Also, they feel they are the victims, and blame the actual victim instead of the perpetrator.

All the while, the perpetrator is forgiven because he's a "great guy" in public when he's not molesting, because he's an expert at hiding who he really is to everyone else.

And if you actually try to reach out to anyone and tell them what happened, you're trash.
 
2012-06-12 06:31:48 PM  

Rwa2play: factoryconnection: Owangotang: College football and the fanaticism it creates is CREEPY. Heres hoping jerry drops dead.

Not me... I want that scumbag to live a long, deprived life in prison. He hasn't even, it seems, come to terms that he did anything wrong. He can't even seem to acknowledge that his "love of kids" put Penn State onto the rocks and shut down his decades-old charity!

Him dying with a clear conscience any time soon? To hell with that.

Yeah, this. I wanna see him live out the rest of his days in a prison cell.


I am so with you on this. I feel terrible for the children he abused. I hope to God they know it is not their fault. Sandusky is a predator and he is entirely responsible for the abuse he inflicted.

To those who knew and covered it up. . .you should rot in prison for life.

Not too long ago my 9 year old son was invited to a birthday party at the local Y. Of the 18 or so kids there, I was the only parent who stayed. The rest dropped off their kid(s) and left. Really?! The only other adults there were the birthday boy's mom and dad. I do not know them. Parents need to keep track of their kids. I would not have let my kid go away on a trip or participate in an event with Sandusky and his charity without my husband going along. If there is a problem with that, my son does not go. While I am not a helicopter parent, my son fights his own battles, I know there are certain battles he should never have to fight alone. This is one of them.
 
2012-06-12 06:33:39 PM  
Every time I see someone say that that they would totally have stepped up, put a stop to everything, gone to the police, etc., I think of the Milgram experiment.
 
2012-06-12 06:45:16 PM  
All Sandusky has to do is put a gun in his mouth and pull the trigger.

Also, Penn State = Pedophile State university..
 
2012-06-12 07:04:08 PM  

factoryconnection: Silly Jesus: Or are you just saying that people with sexual proclivities out of the norm sought out priesthood?

It seems like he's saying that the otherwise-normal, gay Catholic supply of seminarians dried up, leaving a high concentration of pedophiles. However, it has been shown in limited studies that there isn't a higher proportion of pedophiles in the Catholic priesthood, but it is just such a big system and it turns out one that would protect them. Either way, perfect storm allowed to gestate over time... very bad results.


Almost. I did Catholic youth leadership stuff in high school... Got surprised at the seminary one day to see a kid obviously gay (sorry sometimes it is plus knew who he fancied at parties) who was now a student. And I would wager that may still be the case with certain communities like Chaldean (mainly Iraqi) Christians, who train at the seminary too.

On the flip side all five gay kids in my group came out in college and left the church. One had a mother who was a high up lay person and I know there was pressure there for him to just take vows... Glad he's happy now.

My college Catholic church had an LGBT group though.
 
2012-06-12 07:06:45 PM  

PsiChick: Where's the hero tag for the witness? Because getting up and talking about that, damn does he deserve it.


This.
 
2012-06-12 07:30:49 PM  

Magorn: The real Irony being that it was the LACK of Gay men entering the priesthood that caused the pedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church....


An interesting scenario you have described. Makes sense.

Yeh, the thing with Mr. Sandusky is that he'll never be persuaded to show remorse or guilt - because he believes he's had "romantic flings" just like he sees people in the normal world have "romantic flings." And it's not fair, he says to himself, that I can't have them when those others can have them.
 
2012-06-12 07:57:16 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I'm far from naive, but I guess I just have never understood how people can let others abuse children and do nothing. It's one thing if you are the child being abused, you are damn near helpless.

But an adult in 20th century America has to know that he/she has little to fear from kid farkers by exposing the crime. I don't care who the kid farker is. How do people live with themselves, knowing about this shiat and doing nothing about it? Not well, I hope.


Well, in this particular case, it seems to me that anyone who knew wasn't going to jeopardize Penn State football. JoePa was bigger than the university and probably bigger than State College, PA as well. An elected official might not have done anything either if they had known out of fear of losing their job and permanantly tarnishing Paterno's reputation and the team. I think everyone left over from Paterno's staff knows they are now on the last college football job they will ever have since what university in their right mind would hire these guys based solely on the fact that they might have known what was going on and did nothing to stop it.
 
2012-06-12 08:02:35 PM  
Hey, guys. Is this the thread where Penn State fans tell us we don't know what really happened and that Joe Paterno was both omnipotent and oblivious?
 
2012-06-12 08:27:41 PM  

gimmegimme: Hey, guys. Is this the thread where Penn State fans tell us we don't know what really happened and that Joe Paterno was both omnipotent and oblivious?


NO
 
2012-06-12 09:46:30 PM  

WTFDYW: Now THAT is how articles should be written. Simply riveting.


Disturbing testimony aside, it was perhaps one of the best pieces I've seen published in a long time.
 
2012-06-12 11:12:59 PM  

Optimus Primate: Sadly, the way Amendola is handling this case looks ripe for a mistrial based on the fact that he is a bumbling fool. I can't help but think that maybe he is INTENTIONALLY "throwing" the case to make sure it has to be re-tried (and thus forcing all the victims to recount the crimes AGAIN in court)

I wonder...


I don't think having a bad lawyer is grounds for mistrial, is it, unless they actually make a procedural error. Just asking questions poorly, giving the victims too much leeway, etc. shouldn't be enough for mistrial ... does anyone know?
 
2012-06-12 11:13:08 PM  

SharkTrager: That and when people tell me to reach out to the asshole and make peace with him because I'll regret it when he's gone. He still denies it ever happened. There is zero reason to bring a person like that back in to my life.


Making peace with an offender has to start with them acknowledging what they've done. Cutting someone out of your life who can't do that is just good sense.

I have a close relative who molested another close relative, and he only salvaged a relationship with that part of his family by acknowledging what he did, apologizing, and accepting that the whole family would be told. He still has a weird disconnect, where one minute he can quite genuinely admit what he did and how horrible it was, and the next start spinning justifications, but I think that is the only way any person would be able to survive doing something they know is so wrong. I would be more frightened by a molester who didn't feel the need to justify what they'd done.
 
2012-06-12 11:33:25 PM  
farking a little boy in the ass is wrong?

OMFG. WHY DIDN'T ANYBODY TELL ME?! JEEZ.

Is showering them & making them perform oral sex acts okay, then?

/Ped State
 
2012-06-13 05:37:51 AM  

SharkTrager: sleeps in trees: SharkTrager: sleeps in trees: I lost my life of 20 years disclosing. Family, friends, etc. left only with my husband and now it is finally comming full circle - 23 years later. Everyone knew but hey, don't rock the boat. Now they are singing like canaries.

I didn't tell anyone until I was over 30. To this day I don't think anyone close to the situation believes me. I don't tell people anymore because, no matter what they say, a male molested by another male is looked down upon.

For what it's worth, I believe you. I do and everyone around you knows, so keep that close to you. They are keeping the norm and don't know how to deal with it. Deep down they know, but they all have the "avoid the shiatshow and bake cookies" mechanism. I used to compare it to Kitty on the 70's Show.

It will come full circle, I promise.

I appreciate it, but it's been a decade. They're not going to change. I believe my set-father went to his grave thinking I made it up, and my mother bounced between swearing she had no idea and playing it off as if she was somehow the victim. (She tends to do that). Now it's just one of those things that is out there that everyone pretends isn't there.

The roughest part is that you can't tell people. Sometimes you want to so they get some idea what you react the way you do, but as soon as you do the relationship changes. I've had maybe 2 friends that didn't suddenly get weird about it. And forget telling a woman you're serious with.

That and when people tell me to reach out to the asshole and make peace with him because I'll regret it when he's gone. He still denies it ever happened. There is zero reason to bring a person like that back in to my life.


You're not the only one out there, hon.

I've known 3 male survivors, one by a slightly older female cousin when he was a child. He was ashamed and never told his family. I wasn't molested as a child but was blown off by mutual friends after I finally got away from an abusive boyfriend. It is devastating the shiat people will say or do to a recent victim to mollify their guilt and fear- even a friend of mine who was a child psychologist who worked with abused and disturbed kids for a living blew me off.

Keep trying man- you will find an understanding soul someday. I have, he is my husband and my best friend. They're out there. And there's us Farkers. :)
 
2012-06-13 07:22:02 AM  

keylock71: "Also Monday, Penn State acknowledged an NBC report about an email exchange between top university officials regarding accusations by assistant coach Mike McQueary that Sandusky raped another victim. Former school president Graham Spanier, ...athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz decided that not alerting the police would be "humane" to Sandusky."


Wow... All to protect some bullshiat "Football dynasty". Bunch of farking assholes.


The football gods at PSU have been covering up nefarious deeds for a long, long time. It's nothing new.

I still think that fark tard is going to walk. It makes me sick to think that, but it's a very strong possibility.
 
2012-06-13 09:00:47 AM  

Jamieboy: I still think that fark tard is going to walk. It makes me sick to think that, but it's a very strong possibility.


Jamieboy: I still think that fark tard is going to walk. It makes me sick to think that, but it's a very strong possibility.


Really... after what we've heard about the first 2 days of the trial, you'd give it a "strong possibility" he walks? I'll take any bets you want to lay down on him being found not guilty.
 
2012-06-13 10:12:16 AM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: SharkTrager: That and when people tell me to reach out to the asshole and make peace with him because I'll regret it when he's gone. He still denies it ever happened. There is zero reason to bring a person like that back in to my life.

Making peace with an offender has to start with them acknowledging what they've done. Cutting someone out of your life who can't do that is just good sense.


This. Outreach and forgiveness do have their place, even for one's own assailant, but never before the assailant has come to his senses about what he did, and sometimes not even then. If this guy is still in denial, then there really is zero reason to bring a person like that back into your life.
 
2012-06-13 10:24:06 AM  

Troublesome Strumpet: SharkTrager: sleeps in trees: SharkTrager: sleeps in trees: I lost my life of 20 years disclosing. Family, friends, etc. left only with my husband and now it is finally comming full circle - 23 years later. Everyone knew but hey, don't rock the boat. Now they are singing like canaries.

I didn't tell anyone until I was over 30. To this day I don't think anyone close to the situation believes me. I don't tell people anymore because, no matter what they say, a male molested by another male is looked down upon.

For what it's worth, I believe you. I do and everyone around you knows, so keep that close to you. They are keeping the norm and don't know how to deal with it. Deep down they know, but they all have the "avoid the shiatshow and bake cookies" mechanism. I used to compare it to Kitty on the 70's Show.

It will come full circle, I promise.

I appreciate it, but it's been a decade. They're not going to change. I believe my set-father went to his grave thinking I made it up, and my mother bounced between swearing she had no idea and playing it off as if she was somehow the victim. (She tends to do that). Now it's just one of those things that is out there that everyone pretends isn't there.

The roughest part is that you can't tell people. Sometimes you want to so they get some idea what you react the way you do, but as soon as you do the relationship changes. I've had maybe 2 friends that didn't suddenly get weird about it. And forget telling a woman you're serious with.

That and when people tell me to reach out to the asshole and make peace with him because I'll regret it when he's gone. He still denies it ever happened. There is zero reason to bring a person like that back in to my life.

You're not the only one out there, hon.

I've known 3 male survivors, one by a slightly older female cousin when he was a child. He was ashamed and never told his family. I wasn't molested as a child but was blown off by mutual friends after I finally got away from an a ...


Meh. Build a bridge and get over it, or keep livin' in the past and die a slow death every day. Or go postal, but please warn me beforehand and I can take a personal day.
 
2012-06-13 10:46:57 AM  

fat_free: Troublesome Strumpet: SharkTrager: sleeps in trees: SharkTrager: sleeps in trees: I lost my life of 20 years disclosing. Family, friends, etc. left only with my husband and now it is finally comming full circle - 23 years later. Everyone knew but hey, don't rock the boat. Now they are singing like canaries.

I didn't tell anyone until I was over 30. To this day I don't think anyone close to the situation believes me. I don't tell people anymore because, no matter what they say, a male molested by another male is looked down upon.

For what it's worth, I believe you. I do and everyone around you knows, so keep that close to you. They are keeping the norm and don't know how to deal with it. Deep down they know, but they all have the "avoid the shiatshow and bake cookies" mechanism. I used to compare it to Kitty on the 70's Show.

It will come full circle, I promise.

I appreciate it, but it's been a decade. They're not going to change. I believe my set-father went to his grave thinking I made it up, and my mother bounced between swearing she had no idea and playing it off as if she was somehow the victim. (She tends to do that). Now it's just one of those things that is out there that everyone pretends isn't there.

The roughest part is that you can't tell people. Sometimes you want to so they get some idea what you react the way you do, but as soon as you do the relationship changes. I've had maybe 2 friends that didn't suddenly get weird about it. And forget telling a woman you're serious with.

That and when people tell me to reach out to the asshole and make peace with him because I'll regret it when he's gone. He still denies it ever happened. There is zero reason to bring a person like that back in to my life.

You're not the only one out there, hon.

I've known 3 male survivors, one by a slightly older female cousin when he was a child. He was ashamed and never told his family. I wasn't molested as a child but was blown off by mutual friends after I fina ...


Yeah, going postal is frowned upon, and you don't just snap your fingers and get over it. It's an uphill climb through molasses with a boulder on your back, but even the tiniest steps forward are an improvement. But it can take years before someone decides they're ready to strap on the boulder and start climbing. It's similar to a drug addiction in that regard.
 
2012-06-13 04:03:50 PM  

Yamaneko2: The juror profiles may be Sandusky's saving grace. Link However bad his lawyer is at cross-examination, he's quite good at juror selection.

Juror #7 is a Penn State senior who "works at a Penn State athletic facility and knows Steve Turchetta, the Clinton County high school coach who hired Sandusky as a volunteer assistant. He came to the courthouse wearing a navy T-shirt that read "Penn State archery." His cousin played football at Penn State under Joe Paterno and his mother works in the State College Area School District."

Juror #10 "is an administrative assistant at Penn State's College of Engineering"

Juror #11 "A dance teacher in Penn State's continuing education program ... She occasionally has conversations about the case with her husband, who is a media specialist at a transportation center at Penn State. She knows Kelly Hastings, a potential witness. "

Juror #12 "A female Penn State professor for 24 years who had a professional relationship with former president Graham Spanier, but the two had no social interaction."

That means Jurors #7 and possibly #11 are employed without tenure at Penn State, which means that Penn State can retaliate without consequence to itself. Hopefully Juror #10 has a good union, and Juror #12 has tenure.

It could be OJ and Casey Anthony all over again.


I'm not familiar with the Casey Anthony case, but I did follow the OJ case. The prosecution blundered terribly with that one. I'm not sure Sandusky has a chance to pull off a Nordberg style escape here... unless we get the equivalent of non-fitting gloves, not finding the magli shoes (that the civil suit attorney did find), get evidence tampered with, etc.
 
2012-06-14 01:08:56 AM  

fat_free: Meh. Build a bridge and get over it, or keep livin' in the past and die a slow death every day. Or go postal, but please warn me beforehand and I can take a personal day.


Makes perfect sense to "build a bridge" and associate with someone who abused you and denies it. Perfect sense.
 
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