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2012-06-12 01:37:38 PM

Brostorm: They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy.


In other words, the market decided but it wasn't your friends. But let's blame compensation packages for that, right?

My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad.

Congratulations to your friends for cashing in on educational affirmative action.

None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe.

...and even funnier is you think an academic research degree is the same thing as a professional degree. Even though that by your own CBO link, professional degree-holders (of which M.Ed.'s are a part, being the "in demand" candidates for teaching positions despite your continued insistence otherwise) are considered in that final category in which private sector employment out-pays public sector employment.
 
2012-06-12 01:38:25 PM

Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: EyeballKid: Give Brostorm credit where it's due. These days, it takes a lot to be seen as one of the dumber people from Jersey.

Maybe having the fourth highest [aid teachers in the country hasn't helped my poor little state then?

Maybe if they had the highest-paid teachers, people would want to teach there.

There is a backlog of people trying to teach here. If a job opening goes up there are thousands that apply.



So? The same is true for waitresses. That doesn't mean they are being over compensated.
 
2012-06-12 01:38:34 PM

Brostorm: When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.


So the solution is to drive the median salary down further. Brilliant.
 
2012-06-12 01:38:40 PM
Does "the media" include announcements from the local board of education? Is it a myth when the local board of education announces increasing class sizes and pay cuts and cuts to programs?

Where is this place where class sizes are going down and teachers' pay is going up? I may want to move there.
 
2012-06-12 01:38:54 PM

Thorak: Chabash: This, a thousand times! For every licensed SPED specialist required, the average is skewed.

Not to mention, he doesn't say how he counted "teachers". Was it by drawing a salary? Because by that measure, all supply/substitute teachers are "teachers", even if they're working part time, so if there's more substitutes on the payroll, there'd be more teachers without changing class size. Was it by being a member of a professional association? I'm a "teacher", in that I'm O.C.T. certified and a member of the college in good standing and completely licensed to teach, but I'm not actually WORKING as a teacher (there's a glut of graduates right now, leading to 2+ year wait times to get on the substitute list).

Plenty of reasons why there might be more teachers today, without actually talking about class sizes at all.


I bet Jethro Tull has sold a million or so albums that have "Teacher" on them. Better count those for good measure.
 
2012-06-12 01:38:56 PM

fracto73: Brostorm: The turnover is almost entirely inner city and at risk schools that constantly turn over.


That is incorrect. Turnover is a universal issue.


so you cant read?
 
2012-06-12 01:42:00 PM

Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.


Median annual wage in New Jersey in 2010: $56,385

Damned aristocrats everywhere?
 
2012-06-12 01:42:24 PM

Lunaville: Does "the media" include announcements from the local board of education? Is it a myth when the local board of education announces increasing class sizes and pay cuts and cuts to programs?

Where is this place where class sizes are going down and teachers' pay is going up? I may want to move there.


Me too. I'd be happy leaving the "40 kids in an urban classroom" environment I had earlier this school year behind.
 
2012-06-12 01:42:24 PM

Brostorm: fracto73: Brostorm: The turnover is almost entirely inner city and at risk schools that constantly turn over.


That is incorrect. Turnover is a universal issue.

so you cant read?



Is this one of those republican accuse others of your own faults things? The article I linked showed high turnover every where. While urban areas are especially bad, to say that the issue is almost entirely innercity and at risk schools is a lie.
 
2012-06-12 01:42:38 PM

Brostorm: She gets weeks off during the school year as well as eveyr holiday in addition to her 2 month free vacations NOT counted as vacation time. Are you telling me you never take your work home with you and send reports or other things in while not working? Oh thats right you probably work for the government

Better pay, shorter hours, better benefits, massive vacations and a pension more that the median incoem for teh rest of your life after retiring early, There isnt a violin small enough,


Wow, why isn't everybody a teacher? That sounds great.

Oh yeah I forgot with all the bullshiat you have to put up with. What the teacher is, is more important than what he teaches.

A teacher doesn't just teach. They are child psychologists, parent psychologists, councilors, management, planners, childhood practitioners, motivators, schedulers, future consultants and make up for the failings of parents and of society; so as to produce productive members of society.

Most teachers have little control over school policy or curriculum or choice of texts or special placement of students, but most have a great deal of autonomy inside the classroom. Public education rests precariously on the skill and virtue of the people at the bottom of the institutional pyramid.
 
2012-06-12 01:43:08 PM

Brostorm: fracto73: Fart_Machine: fracto73: Brostorm: It looks like I have a much better understanding than you.


It really doesn't look like that at all.

46 per cent of all new teachers leave after five years. Can't link the Forbes article I took this from while on my phone but I'm sure his anecdotal evidence is much more convincing.



Could this be it? http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/03/08/high-teacher-turnover- rates-are-a-big-problem-for-americas-public-schools/

The turnover is almost entirely inner city and at risk schools that constantly turn over. In a free market these schools would pay MUCH better and have better benefit packages but that isnt what happens.


Did you only read select parts of the article? It's a nationwide problem. Also these inner city schools would pay even less because the "market" in that area has far less money to pay employees.
 
2012-06-12 01:43:44 PM

Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.


Median household income in New Jersey is $69k

What were you saying again? Something about gold-plated something.
 
2012-06-12 01:44:22 PM

fracto73: Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: EyeballKid: Give Brostorm credit where it's due. These days, it takes a lot to be seen as one of the dumber people from Jersey.

Maybe having the fourth highest [aid teachers in the country hasn't helped my poor little state then?

Maybe if they had the highest-paid teachers, people would want to teach there.

There is a backlog of people trying to teach here. If a job opening goes up there are thousands that apply.


So? The same is true for waitresses. That doesn't mean they are being over compensated.


I'm sure Brostorm thinks they are and refuses to tip as a result.
 
2012-06-12 01:44:29 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.

Median annual wage in New Jersey in 2010: $56,385

Damned aristocrats everywhere?


Median household is the same as Median? Herpa derpa DOOOOOOOOOO
 
2012-06-12 01:45:21 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.

Median annual wage in New Jersey in 2010: $56,385

Damned aristocrats everywhere?


Ahh, you beat me to it!
 
2012-06-12 01:46:42 PM

Brostorm: Median household is the same as Median? Herpa derpa DOOOOOOOOOO


He said median annual wage, not median household wage. The median household income is 10k above even that.

Jesus Christ, just give it up already.
 
2012-06-12 01:47:21 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.

Median household income in New Jersey is $69k

What were you saying again? Something about gold-plated something.


so a teachers needs someone living with them making 10k to match the rest of the state. Household=/=individual

This doesnt even include total compensation,when healthcare and the laughably over the top benefits come into play it isnt even the same sport.

Oh wait, you work for the government, single earner familys still exist there
 
2012-06-12 01:48:20 PM

I've tried to determine what the actual average class size is now by reading all these posts, but people keep throwing in specialists and aids and all that.

When I was growing up, class sizes were usually 35 to 40 kids per class (I started 1st grade in 1968).

So what is the actual class size for the primary teacher today?

 
2012-06-12 01:48:31 PM

FunkyBlue: The Special Ed classes and the extra help does indeed severely skew that average. I used to work for a K-12 with a large special education student population and with the disabled, that 1-1 or 2-1 is beneficial as those students are a lot of work to teach. Some of them have emotional disabilities and I remember very vividly that one would get upset at the drop of a pin and they would have to spend 10 minutes trying to calm her down in the hallway as she would scream and cry at the top of her voice. It takes a very specialised set of skills and training to work with these kids and I don't have anything bad to say about them because they really do care about the kids and they do a great job in trying to prepare them to lead a normal life outside the school walls once they graduate.

Most of the funding for these programs and staff are from state and federal funding or grants, which also has to skew the whole money spent per student argument, as well. I would actually love to see all of these numbers with the special education budget and spending taken out of the equation and see how much it affects the bar graphs.


I agree with your view point. I would also like to know if the school breakfast and lunch programs are included in when calculating how much we spend per student? If it is included, how would the expenditure per student look with those expenses removed? Would anyone really advocate allowing children to go hungry to lower the costs of running our schools? If so, wouldn't this situation be akin to the car example given previously? That is, a race car driver needs both tires and gas to be successful: a child needs both nutrition and excellent teachers to learn effectively
 
2012-06-12 01:48:36 PM

Lunaville: Does "the media" include announcements from the local board of education? Is it a myth when the local board of education announces increasing class sizes and pay cuts and cuts to programs?

Where is this place where class sizes are going down and teachers' pay is going up? I may want to move there.


It's possible that there are areas where class size is going down, as people relocate. But unless they're expatriating, that means that somewhere else in America, class sizes are going up.. And it's nice to say that class sizes may be smaller in some rural area in the midwest, but how does that address the problems of crowded schools in big cities?
 
2012-06-12 01:49:18 PM

Brostorm: Philip Francis Queeg: Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.

Median annual wage in New Jersey in 2010: $56,385

Damned aristocrats everywhere?

Median household is the same as Median? Herpa derpa DOOOOOOOOOO


No that's not household, that's annual wage.

Median Household income in New Jersey is $69,811
 
2012-06-12 01:49:42 PM

Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.


So, would 26k a year be fair? More, less? You've said that they're massively overpaid, so you must have some idea by how much
 
2012-06-12 01:49:57 PM

Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.

Median household income in New Jersey is $69k

What were you saying again? Something about gold-plated something.

so a teachers needs someone living with them making 10k to match the rest of the state. Household=/=individual

This doesnt even include total compensation,when healthcare and the laughably over the top benefits come into play it isnt even the same sport.

Oh wait, you work for the government, single earner familys still exist there


I work for a major communications company, and I pay $40 per month for health insurance including dental.

I'm sorry, you were saying something about laughably over the top benefits that teachers get?
 
2012-06-12 01:53:08 PM

Brostorm: Fart_Machine: fracto73: Brostorm: Is this the thread where overpaid and under worked teachers claim they could make more in the private sector?


Well go on, DO IT.


They do. Teachers have an enormous turnover rate in the first few years of working.

And since the job is so overpaid and underworked I'm sure professionals are just beating down the door to trade their private sector work for a teaching position.

Are you daft? Schoolboards are FLOODED with applicants whenever there is an opening. Have you ever seen the lines when police and fire have open tests? Its absurd.


Again your anecdotal evidence is quite convincing.
 
2012-06-12 01:53:18 PM

Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.


$26,000 really?? BLS has it at $46,000

Consider the fact that more than 70% of those people don't have college degrees, never mind Masters or PhD.
 
2012-06-12 01:54:51 PM

wotthefark: Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.

$26,000 really?? BLS has it at $46,000

Consider the fact that more than 70% of those people don't have college degrees, never mind Masters or PhD.


It's even higher than that in New Jersey.
 
2012-06-12 01:55:02 PM
Wow I go grab a box of candy and come back to Brostorm going full retard. You should never go full retard.
 
2012-06-12 01:56:50 PM

CPennypacker: Wow I go grab a box of candy and come back to Brostorm going full retard. You should never go full retard.



This is what happens when you get candy. It's possible there is a link. I think you need to get more candy and we'll see if his head explodes by the time you get back.
 
2012-06-12 01:56:58 PM

PsyLord: That's news to me since I haven't had a raise in over 5 years.


Maybe you should switch to a more lucrative career. I've been doing this same job for several different companies since 1985 and I've gotten a raise every year (the smallest was 2%). But it was still a raise.
 
2012-06-12 01:57:22 PM

fracto73: CPennypacker: Wow I go grab a box of candy and come back to Brostorm going full retard. You should never go full retard.


This is what happens when you get candy. It's possible there is a link. I think you need to get more candy and we'll see if his head explodes by the time you get back.


SO his head explodes and I get more candy? BRB
 
2012-06-12 01:57:40 PM

Brostorm: They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy.



www.celebrific.com

Unavailable for comment.

/Not sure I'd want to be in that Aristocracy either. . .
 
2012-06-12 01:58:46 PM

Brostorm: fracto73: Fart_Machine: fracto73: Brostorm: It looks like I have a much better understanding than you.


It really doesn't look like that at all.

46 per cent of all new teachers leave after five years. Can't link the Forbes article I took this from while on my phone but I'm sure his anecdotal evidence is much more convincing.



Could this be it? http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/03/08/high-teacher-turnover- rates-are-a-big-problem-for-americas-public-schools/

The turnover is almost entirely inner city and at risk schools that constantly turn over. In a free market these schools would pay MUCH better and have better benefit packages but that isnt what happens.


It's 16.8 percent nationally and 20 in urban areas. Reading comprehension isn't your strong point I see.
 
2012-06-12 02:01:22 PM

HighOnCraic: dougermouse: 5. When did America become a race to the bottom?

1954.

Link


It's true. There's a school that opened in my hometown the exact year the schools' were ordered to integrate there. It's still in business. The school has turned people out into the world who can't read well enough to fill out their own job applications. To give you an idea of the intellect level they cater to, every year they charge parents a fee for the construction of a cafeteria. They have been doing this since the mid-sixties. There is still no cafeteria. There will never be a cafeteria.

Meanwhile, conditions have so deteriorated in the local public school one of my sisters works two jobs to send her kid to the segregation academy. I asked her why? She said she knew the private school was bad, but people had voted so many times against funding the local public school and it had been allowed to decline so badly that it just wasn't the same school we attended. She stated "I know it's hard to believe, but the public school is actually worse than xxx now." She's ticked off about it, but doesn't see that she can do much about it except try to look out for her own kid and vote to support the schools when she can.
 
2012-06-12 02:05:00 PM

acad1228: I've tried to determine what the actual average class size is now by reading all these posts, but people keep throwing in specialists and aids and all that.When I was growing up, class sizes were usually 35 to 40 kids per class (I started 1st grade in 1968).
So what is the actual class size for the primary teacher today?


It's the same. If you take out para-educators and assistants.

Obviously depends on where you live as pointed out teachers are part of the elite ruling class in NJ.

"Be Yea a Teacher!"...... Then allow me to bow as your humble servant.
 
2012-06-12 02:05:56 PM
Kids were also scared,at least in my district, to behave poorly 20 years ago. I don't think there is nearly enough compensation for dealing with the entitled little monsters now days.
 
2012-06-12 02:12:55 PM
Keep arguing guys, I'm sure you are going to convince fark dot com poster bro storm that he's wrong any time now.
 
2012-06-12 02:23:11 PM

Jackson Herring: Keep arguing guys, I'm sure you are going to convince fark dot com poster bro storm that he's wrong any time now.


Anytime now. But I'll see you guys when the referendum hits.
 
2012-06-12 02:24:12 PM

Jackson Herring: Keep arguing guys, I'm sure you are going to convince fark dot com poster bro storm that he's wrong any time now.


It's not for him.
 
2012-06-12 02:24:56 PM

Brostorm: Jackson Herring: Keep arguing guys, I'm sure you are going to convince fark dot com poster bro storm that he's wrong any time now.

Anytime now. But I'll see you guys when the referendum hits.


All the facts in the world will never convince a conspiracy theorist.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-06-12 02:27:01 PM

qorkfiend: Brostorm: TheNewJesus: How can such a blatantly biased article spur any other discussion other than "this guy is full of bullshiat" ???

You want to see the state of education in this country? Just take a glace at the political threads on fark.

What happened to critical thinking skills?

Possibly the gross overcompensation of teachers has not had the intended effect of helping Education in this country. I got it, lets throw MORE money to an overpaid and overcompensated lot, that will sure improve those scores.

Sigh.


Sigh, indeed.


Brostorm: cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?

When the median salary in the country is 26k, which is less then the pension you receive every year after a short career, yes that is an aristocracy. Enjoy your gold plated retirement.


Because if there's one thing that's universally true, it's that you can buy exactly the same things everywhere you go with $100. Manhattan's Theater District? Broken Bow, Nebraska? 100% equal purchasing power, just like 100% equal salary for similar jobs, 100% equal tax structure, 100% equal support network for the underserved population in need of healthcare, and 100% comparable shopping experiences.

Everyone everywhere should get the exact same amount of money from their retirement plans and government support, and anyone getting more than that is destroying America. If they really cared, they'd move to places where they'd get more for their dollar and have to spend it all on gas (that damn Obama and his gas prices) to get the things they need to survive!

A winnar is you.
 
2012-06-12 02:28:45 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. They havent gotten jobs because of the massive amounts of people applying that want to be in that aristocracy. My friends who did get jobs were all in STEM fields for undergrad. None of them got PHDs, i find it hilarious that you keep trumpeting that tripe. The easier fields, language arts, music, social studies etc have teachers that don't leave.

An average salary of $59,000 is an "aristocracy"?

Jesus Christ man how poor is New Jersey?


I addressed this kind of thinking in a thread yesterday. If Brostorm weren't in N.J., I would suspect him of being my father. The last grade my father completed was the seventh grade. The last grade his father had completed was the third grade. While I was at home, my father usually worked two jobs. We qualified for free lunch at school, but didn't accept it. He truly believed and taught us that people who earned $30,000 per year were rich. I clearly remember hearing him gripe about the rich school teachers, getting summers off, and raking in $30,000 per year. When people have grown up as hungry as he did, it is just hard for them to wrap their minds around how much money and resources are in this country. If they do get an inkling of understanding of how rich this nation is,after a lifetime of being called trash and soaking up "rich people are smarter, better, and deserve more because they are rich" rhetoric, they then have trouble understanding why they deserve to be included in the success of the nation.
 
2012-06-12 02:28:47 PM

madgonad: Debeo Summa Credo: They don't work 8 hours per day. It's less than that. Grading papers is nothing for lower grades, perhaps more time consuming for high school.

PTA meetings are once a month and most teachers don't attend, lesson plans do not need to be redone each year (math, spelling, science, geography etc.dont generally change from year to year).

You could not be more wrong.

My kid's teacher is there from 7:30AM to 4PM every day. And she works through her lunch. She has never missed a meeting. We get email/follow-up by email at least twice a week. Those messages are usually sent at night. She works 10 months per year and does get all of the school holidays off. However, she is required to fill a lot of that off-time with studies since continuing education is required, as are higher academic achievement if she wants to continue getting 'step' increases each year. All for $46k a year with a Master's degree.


She bangs out a couple of emails per week in addition to her 7 hour per day job? Wow!

I couldn't handle teaching kids all day, but keep in mind there is alot of "down time" for teachers beyond 2nd grade while the students do work.

My folks were teachers and they were home by 3:30 almost every day unless they had a parent meeting. Grading papers can be done during class. Lesson plans stay the same from year to year. Admittedly that was before email so they didn't have to deal with PITA parents emailing them twice a day.

I couldn't deal with 20-30 brats all day, but if you can it's a good lifestyle.
 
2012-06-12 02:30:24 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Grading papers can be done during class. Lesson plans stay the same from year to year


Sounds like someone hasn't had experience with a teacher in about 25-30 years.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-06-12 02:31:08 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Grading papers can be done during class. Lesson plans stay the same from year to year

Sounds like someone hasn't had experience with a teacher in about 25-30 years.

 
2012-06-12 02:31:26 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Grading papers can be done during class. Lesson plans stay the same from year to year

Sounds like someone hasn't had experience with a teacher in about 25-30 years.


Additionally, many teachers are at school at 7, and most don't leave until 5.
 
2012-06-12 02:32:54 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: madgonad: Debeo Summa Credo: They don't work 8 hours per day. It's less than that. Grading papers is nothing for lower grades, perhaps more time consuming for high school.

PTA meetings are once a month and most teachers don't attend, lesson plans do not need to be redone each year (math, spelling, science, geography etc.dont generally change from year to year).

You could not be more wrong.

My kid's teacher is there from 7:30AM to 4PM every day. And she works through her lunch. She has never missed a meeting. We get email/follow-up by email at least twice a week. Those messages are usually sent at night. She works 10 months per year and does get all of the school holidays off. However, she is required to fill a lot of that off-time with studies since continuing education is required, as are higher academic achievement if she wants to continue getting 'step' increases each year. All for $46k a year with a Master's degree.

She bangs out a couple of emails per week in addition to her 7 hour per day job? Wow!

I couldn't handle teaching kids all day, but keep in mind there is alot of "down time" for teachers beyond 2nd grade while the students do work.

My folks were teachers and they were home by 3:30 almost every day unless they had a parent meeting. Grading papers can be done during class. Lesson plans stay the same from year to year. Admittedly that was before email so they didn't have to deal with PITA parents emailing them twice a day.

I couldn't deal with 20-30 brats all day, but if you can it's a good lifestyle.


Yeah, those lazy assed teachers don't know what it is to work hard like you do. If only they could be here posting on Fark to see what real worker is like in you.
 
2012-06-12 02:33:13 PM

DGS: Broken Bow, Nebraska?


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2012-06-12 02:35:43 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Yeah, those lazy assed teachers don't know what it is to work hard like you do. If only they could be here posting on Fark to see what real worker is like in you.


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2012-06-12 02:41:12 PM

cameroncrazy1984: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Grading papers can be done during class. Lesson plans stay the same from year to year

Sounds like someone hasn't had experience with a teacher in about 25-30 years.

Additionally, many teachers are at school at 7, and most don't leave until 5.


Completely incorrect. I go to baseball practice at my sons school by 5 on occasion and the parking lot is almost completely empty other than those there for baseball.

Oh, and lesson plans do stay the same from year to year. Revolutionary history doesn't change, spelling and grammar don't change, the times table will never change, and nobody's developing a better technique to draw a fricken thanksgiving turkey while tracing your hand.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-06-12 02:42:15 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: cameroncrazy1984: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Grading papers can be done during class. Lesson plans stay the same from year to year

Sounds like someone hasn't had experience with a teacher in about 25-30 years.

Additionally, many teachers are at school at 7, and most don't leave until 5.

Completely incorrect. I go to baseball practice at my sons school by 5 on occasion and the parking lot is almost completely empty other than those there for baseball.

Oh, and lesson plans do stay the same from year to year. Revolutionary history doesn't change, spelling and grammar don't change, the times table will never change, and nobody's developing a better technique to draw a fricken thanksgiving turkey while tracing your hand.


And the other thing that doesn't change? The students that all learn the exact same way.
 
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