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2012-06-12 09:31:07 AM
Later:
images.tvrage.com
 
2012-06-12 09:46:19 AM
Sorry, I couldn't get through the editor's note without losing my breakfast.

/caught Weed's article on a different website the other day, though. Interesting read.
 
2012-06-12 09:46:50 AM
So, is this a "I'm gay and can deny my evil sexual and romantic desires, so can you" article, or is it a "I'm gay, and somehow I've managed to find happiness in a opposite sex marriage, but not saying if you're gay that you should feel forced to do the same" kind of article?

I know, I'm lazy, but I really don't want to read all of that. I'll have to pick through it as the day goes on.
 
2012-06-12 09:52:50 AM

Cythraul: So, is this a "I'm gay and can deny my evil sexual and romantic desires, so can you" article, or is it a "I'm gay, and somehow I've managed to find happiness in a opposite sex marriage, but not saying if you're gay that you should feel forced to do the same" kind of article?

I know, I'm lazy, but I really don't want to read all of that. I'll have to pick through it as the day goes on.


Eh, it's more the latter (Weed's account), although I believe the website is presenting it intending the former.
 
2012-06-12 09:53:17 AM
I wonder how his wife feels....
 
2012-06-12 09:53:18 AM
If he acknowledges his homosexual feelings, yet is happily married, can't he just call himself bi-sexual? You don't have to be in one camp, it's not an either or, you can like both.

Or if he does acknowledge that, at some point after I gave up reading, then ok... not much need for an article then.
 
2012-06-12 10:05:16 AM

doczoidberg: I wonder how his wife feels....


Seriously, that's farked up. How can you be in a happy relationship knowing that your partner isn't attracted to you?
 
2012-06-12 10:06:03 AM

Slaxl: If he acknowledges his homosexual feelings, yet is happily married, can't he just call himself bi-sexual? You don't have to be in one camp, it's not an either or, you can like both.

Or if he does acknowledge that, at some point after I gave up reading, then ok... not much need for an article then.


He actually did address that (pretty well, I thought). It's a matter of distinguishing between your sexual orientation and your sexual practices. According to him, he is neither bisexual in orientation (he isn't attracted to women and his exclusively attracted to men) nor in practice (he's never had sexual contact with a man, and is monogamous to his wife).
 
2012-06-12 10:06:54 AM

Slaxl: If he acknowledges his homosexual feelings, yet is happily married, can't he just call himself bi-sexual? You don't have to be in one camp, it's not an either or, you can like both.

Or if he does acknowledge that, at some point after I gave up reading, then ok... not much need for an article then.


I guess in order for someone to be considered bisexual, they have to be capable of a sexual attraction to both sexes. He acknowledges in the article that he is only attracted to men.
 
2012-06-12 10:08:12 AM

DamnYankees: doczoidberg: I wonder how his wife feels....

Seriously, that's farked up. How can you be in a happy relationship knowing that your partner isn't attracted to you?


www.lifesitenews.com

You doubt their happiness? Just look at them. Look at those big, wide smiles. They're obviously in bliss.
 
2012-06-12 10:18:03 AM

Cythraul: DamnYankees: doczoidberg: I wonder how his wife feels....

Seriously, that's farked up. How can you be in a happy relationship knowing that your partner isn't attracted to you?

[www.lifesitenews.com image 240x359]

You doubt their happiness? Just look at them. Look at those big, wide smiles. They're obviously in bliss.


I do doubt it.
And I'd like to do what I can for her...errthem,
if sheTHEY have any needs that might not be being fulfilled that issss.
 
2012-06-12 10:20:50 AM

Cythraul: Slaxl: If he acknowledges his homosexual feelings, yet is happily married, can't he just call himself bi-sexual? You don't have to be in one camp, it's not an either or, you can like both.

Or if he does acknowledge that, at some point after I gave up reading, then ok... not much need for an article then.

I guess in order for someone to be considered bisexual, they have to be capable of a sexual attraction to both sexes. He acknowledges in the article that he is only attracted to men.


Exactly. That's why it bugs me when someone says they "had a bisexual experience". No, you are a heterosexual who had one sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. It didn't alter your orientation. But...blah. Words. Labels.
 
2012-06-12 10:22:25 AM

TsarTom: Cythraul: DamnYankees: doczoidberg: I wonder how his wife feels....

Seriously, that's farked up. How can you be in a happy relationship knowing that your partner isn't attracted to you?

[www.lifesitenews.com image 240x359]

You doubt their happiness? Just look at them. Look at those big, wide smiles. They're obviously in bliss.

I do doubt it.
And I'd like to do what I can for her...errthem,
if sheTHEY have any needs that might not be being fulfilled that issss.


You may be disappointed. I hear she likes the girly men.
 
2012-06-12 10:24:37 AM

kid_icarus: Cythraul: Slaxl: If he acknowledges his homosexual feelings, yet is happily married, can't he just call himself bi-sexual? You don't have to be in one camp, it's not an either or, you can like both.

Or if he does acknowledge that, at some point after I gave up reading, then ok... not much need for an article then.

I guess in order for someone to be considered bisexual, they have to be capable of a sexual attraction to both sexes. He acknowledges in the article that he is only attracted to men.

Exactly. That's why it bugs me when someone says they "had a bisexual experience". No, you are a heterosexual who had one sexual encounter with someone of the same opposite gender. It didn't alter your orientation. But...blah. Words. Labels.


That definition would make me bisexual, since I had a girlfriend in high school. *shudder* She was an okay gal, but I am not into the vagina. She kept asking me to partake of it, though.
 
2012-06-12 10:29:17 AM

Cythraul: kid_icarus: Cythraul: Slaxl: If he acknowledges his homosexual feelings, yet is happily married, can't he just call himself bi-sexual? You don't have to be in one camp, it's not an either or, you can like both.

Or if he does acknowledge that, at some point after I gave up reading, then ok... not much need for an article then.

I guess in order for someone to be considered bisexual, they have to be capable of a sexual attraction to both sexes. He acknowledges in the article that he is only attracted to men.

Exactly. That's why it bugs me when someone says they "had a bisexual experience". No, you are a heterosexual who had one sexual encounter with someone of the same opposite gender. It didn't alter your orientation. But...blah. Words. Labels.

That definition would make me bisexual, since I had a girlfriend in high school. *shudder* She was an okay gal, but I am not into the vagina. She kept asking me to partake of it, though.


Yeah, by that definition I would be bisexual, too (if we're just judging by the sexual acts people perform). I've been with girls before. It wasn't something I enjoyed, though.
 
2012-06-12 10:32:44 AM

Cythraul: You doubt their happiness? Just look at them. Look at those big, wide smiles. They're obviously in bliss.


I know you're being sarcastic, but based on what he says in the article, maybe they are happy. He seems to have found some sort of happy medium between accepting his sexuality for what it is and keeping in line with the religious rules he believes in. If he managed to find someone that he loves that he wants to have a family with, but that person isn't the gender that he finds sexually attractive, who am I to judge?
 
2012-06-12 10:36:49 AM
I like what Dan Savage had called this situation: Full-blown Stockholm Syndrome. I mean, good on the guy for being happy with his life, and for not being (he says) filled with self-hate. But it's pretty clear that he devalues traditional gay relationships. He even says that to be in a gay relationship necessarily requires sacrifice, and makes strong implications that adopted children are somehow less yours than biological children, and therefore less desirable. Even though he explicitly says that it's okay to be gay, his entire blog post reeks of "if I can marry a woman and be happy, so can, and should, other gay men."

In short, even if it's not deliberately ex-gay propaganda, even if it's entirely true, it has the effect of being ex-gay propaganda and will be taken as such.
 
2012-06-12 10:39:50 AM

exick: Cythraul: You doubt their happiness? Just look at them. Look at those big, wide smiles. They're obviously in bliss.

I know you're being sarcastic, but based on what he says in the article, maybe they are happy. He seems to have found some sort of happy medium between accepting his sexuality for what it is and keeping in line with the religious rules he believes in. If he managed to find someone that he loves that he wants to have a family with, but that person isn't the gender that he finds sexually attractive, who am I to judge?


I'm not judging him or her, necessarily. I'm skeptical. And I hope that he or she is not secretly lonely, and one day wakes up after 35+ years of marriage realizing that their chance to have a romantic relationship in life is pretty much over. And I sincerely hope that.
 
2012-06-12 10:58:39 AM

Rincewind53: I like what Dan Savage had called this situation: Full-blown Stockholm Syndrome. I mean, good on the guy for being happy with his life, and for not being (he says) filled with self-hate. But it's pretty clear that he devalues traditional gay relationships. He even says that to be in a gay relationship necessarily requires sacrifice, and makes strong implications that adopted children are somehow less yours than biological children, and therefore less desirable. Even though he explicitly says that it's okay to be gay, his entire blog post reeks of "if I can marry a woman and be happy, so can, and should, other gay men."

In short, even if it's not deliberately ex-gay propaganda, even if it's entirely true, it has the effect of being ex-gay propaganda and will be taken as such.


I concur with your comments about the article's intent. He does drift into a condescending tone in his writing, IMHO. The article seems to hint that I'm happy being gay and married to a woman, and so can you.

As for their marriage, if they're happy, I'm cool with it.

I do know many gay men who were married, had kids, then divorced later in life. I believe I've also met Mormon men who were gay but married while I was in Utah. Myself, I wouldn't be comfortable with living a lie if I wasn't attracted to my wife sexually and otherwise.
 
2012-06-12 10:59:01 AM

Rincewind53: In short, even if it's not deliberately ex-gay propaganda, even if it's entirely true, it has the effect of being ex-gay propaganda and will be taken as such.


That's exactly how I read it. I knew I'd see this story again.
 
2012-06-12 10:59:16 AM

Cythraul: exick: Cythraul: You doubt their happiness? Just look at them. Look at those big, wide smiles. They're obviously in bliss.

I know you're being sarcastic, but based on what he says in the article, maybe they are happy. He seems to have found some sort of happy medium between accepting his sexuality for what it is and keeping in line with the religious rules he believes in. If he managed to find someone that he loves that he wants to have a family with, but that person isn't the gender that he finds sexually attractive, who am I to judge?

I'm not judging him or her, necessarily. I'm skeptical. And I hope that he or she is not secretly lonely, and one day wakes up after 35+ years of marriage realizing that their chance to have a romantic relationship in life is pretty much over. And I sincerely hope that.


Or that she might one day get tired of settling for cuddling with her homo hubby like little bunnies, enjoying their "intimate bond"....and want some real, actual, hair-pulling, crazy sex with a heterosexual man who actually is turned on by her and finds her desirable.
 
2012-06-12 11:00:01 AM

kid_icarus: Slaxl: If he acknowledges his homosexual feelings, yet is happily married, can't he just call himself bi-sexual? You don't have to be in one camp, it's not an either or, you can like both.

Or if he does acknowledge that, at some point after I gave up reading, then ok... not much need for an article then.

He actually did address that (pretty well, I thought). It's a matter of distinguishing between your sexual orientation and your sexual practices. According to him, he is neither bisexual in orientation (he isn't attracted to women and his exclusively attracted to men) nor in practice (he's never had sexual contact with a man, and is monogamous to his wife).


Indeed, my bad, that's what I get for stopping reading.
 
2012-06-12 11:01:29 AM
FTFC:

Petra Spahr

I think his problem may actually be genetic. He has three daughters (what are the chances?) so maybe he doesn't have a Y chromosome.

WOW. She cracked the gay code.
 
2012-06-12 11:05:50 AM

kingoomieiii: FTFC:

Petra Spahr

I think his problem may actually be genetic. He has three daughters (what are the chances?) so maybe he doesn't have a Y chromosome.

WOW. She cracked the gay code.


I've heard of XYY, but not XX chromosomed people before.
 
2012-06-12 11:10:49 AM

Cythraul: kingoomieiii: FTFC:

Petra Spahr

I think his problem may actually be genetic. He has three daughters (what are the chances?) so maybe he doesn't have a Y chromosome.

WOW. She cracked the gay code.

I've heard of XYY, but not XX chromosomed people before.


The existence of XX chromosomes individuals on the Internet is a myth.
 
2012-06-12 11:11:30 AM

Cythraul: I've heard of XYY, but not XX chromosomed people before.


cdn.stripersonline.com

I get the joke, but now I'm imagining some kind of gay bathhouse with internet access that you never leave.
 
2012-06-12 11:49:37 AM
He's free to make this choice.

And I'm free to make an entirely different one.
 
2012-06-12 11:50:20 AM

Cythraul: You doubt their happiness? Just look at them. Look at those big, wide smiles. They're obviously in bliss.


Well ya. He's thinking of that big black strap-on when the photo shoot is done.
 
2012-06-12 11:58:00 AM
I tend not to be judgmental, but... Mormons are weird.
 
2012-06-12 12:04:20 PM
Tried to read article...

Baka's brain thingy all hurty now.
 
2012-06-12 12:09:29 PM

kid_icarus: Exactly. That's why it bugs me when someone says they "had a bisexual experience". No, you are a heterosexual who had one sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. It didn't alter your orientation. But...blah. Words. Labels.


Or they had a bisexual experience, as in they had an experience with both genders at once.
 
2012-06-12 12:11:26 PM

PonceAlyosha: kid_icarus: Exactly. That's why it bugs me when someone says they "had a bisexual experience". No, you are a heterosexual who had one sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. It didn't alter your orientation. But...blah. Words. Labels.

Or they had a bisexual experience, as in they had an experience with both genders at once.


Does that require sexual contact? I imagine a lot of people who played out the threesome fantasy are bisexual then, if contact isn't required.
 
2012-06-12 12:14:06 PM

Cythraul: PonceAlyosha: kid_icarus: Exactly. That's why it bugs me when someone says they "had a bisexual experience". No, you are a heterosexual who had one sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. It didn't alter your orientation. But...blah. Words. Labels.

Or they had a bisexual experience, as in they had an experience with both genders at once.

Does that require sexual contact? I imagine a lot of people who played out the threesome fantasy are bisexual then, if contact isn't required.


depends on the partner arrangement, I suppose.
 
2012-06-12 12:14:57 PM
Meet my wife, Peg.

/magic cock-enhancing jock, mebbe?
 
2012-06-12 12:15:04 PM

Cythraul: PonceAlyosha: kid_icarus: Exactly. That's why it bugs me when someone says they "had a bisexual experience". No, you are a heterosexual who had one sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. It didn't alter your orientation. But...blah. Words. Labels.

Or they had a bisexual experience, as in they had an experience with both genders at once.

Does that require sexual contact? I imagine a lot of people who played out the threesome fantasy are bisexual then, if contact isn't required.


For me to consider something a bisexual experience I'd have to be messing with both genders at once, or back to back as a team. But if it's a guy and two girls, I would say doesn't count as a bi experience from his point of view, but does from the two girl's points of view. But eh, who gives a fark.
 
2012-06-12 12:15:27 PM
So he's gay and has a wife and kids and you have nothing, how does that make you feel?
 
2012-06-12 12:15:45 PM

Cythraul: PonceAlyosha: kid_icarus: Exactly. That's why it bugs me when someone says they "had a bisexual experience". No, you are a heterosexual who had one sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. It didn't alter your orientation. But...blah. Words. Labels.

Or they had a bisexual experience, as in they had an experience with both genders at once.

Does that require sexual contact? I imagine a lot of people who played out the threesome fantasy are bisexual then, if contact isn't required.


Ahh You again! Stop gaying up threads that I visit.
 
2012-06-12 12:16:23 PM

Antimatter: Cythraul: PonceAlyosha: kid_icarus: Exactly. That's why it bugs me when someone says they "had a bisexual experience". No, you are a heterosexual who had one sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. It didn't alter your orientation. But...blah. Words. Labels.

Or they had a bisexual experience, as in they had an experience with both genders at once.

Does that require sexual contact? I imagine a lot of people who played out the threesome fantasy are bisexual then, if contact isn't required.

depends on the partner arrangement, I suppose.


I guess there would be some discrimination involved as well. If two guys and a girl go at it, but the two men are straight and have no involvement physically during the encounter, others would look at it and think, "those guys are so gay."
 
2012-06-12 12:17:43 PM

chachi88: Cythraul: PonceAlyosha: kid_icarus: Exactly. That's why it bugs me when someone says they "had a bisexual experience". No, you are a heterosexual who had one sexual encounter with someone of the same gender. It didn't alter your orientation. But...blah. Words. Labels.

Or they had a bisexual experience, as in they had an experience with both genders at once.

Does that require sexual contact? I imagine a lot of people who played out the threesome fantasy are bisexual then, if contact isn't required.

Ahh You again! Stop gaying up threads that I visit.


It's a farking thread about the gay! Stop coming to gay threads and you won't find my gayness!
 
2012-06-12 12:17:49 PM
img2-1.timeinc.net

Imagine that your brain is made of tiny boxes
And find the box that's gay and CRUSH IT!
Okay?

/turn it off
//like a light switch
 
2012-06-12 12:19:02 PM
so vote Republican?
 
2012-06-12 12:20:08 PM
It's not impossible for him to be a XX male and be able to impregnate a woman, but there's like six of them in the world or something. It's a little more common to have three daughters.

What I wanted to say was, if you went to the Personals, and put in an ad saying:

"Man, good looking, in shape, loves cuddles, kids, and housework, looking for a woman to spend my life with. No sex. Ever"

I think you'd get a hell of a lot of responses. For a lot of women, that's the ideal husband. If they get needs, they get batteries.
 
2012-06-12 12:20:58 PM
The bigotry in this thread amazes me.

The world becomes so incredulous at the possibility that the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ can give us willpower and strength beyond measure. I feel the spirit so strongly when I read about my brothers and sisters who struggle with same-sex attraction, and how they manage to overcome the anything-goes permissive attitude so prevalent in the world in these, the last days. I am so grateful that we are guided by a living prophet today, even Thomas S. Monson, who is inspired by God, to lead us through this mortal sphere. The gentleman in this article brings to mind Nephi's faithful brother Sam during Lehi's vision of the Tree of Life, who, while holding tightly to the iron rod, did truly overcome the oppressive mists and jeering ejaculations of the wicked in the great and spacious building.

I bear my testimony to you that the gospel of Jesus Christ is the true and living gospel, which has been restored in these latter days according to prophecy, by the power of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood. Mr. Joshua Weed is truly engorged by the power of this same priesthood. These things I say to you in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
 
2012-06-12 12:22:20 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: It's not impossible for him to be a XX male and be able to impregnate a woman, but there's like six of them in the world or something.


I thought the Y chromosome was necessary in order to be male? If a person has XX, wouldn't that make them a woman with something akin to the female version of YY syndrome? Or am I getting the sex determining chromosomes backwards?
 
2012-06-12 12:22:41 PM
Sorry my friend, but you aren't gay. Until there's penetration, there cannot be gay. On top of that, you obviously could enjoy sex with your wife enough to reach orgasm, which wouldn't be likely if you were actually gay. No more so than I could blow a load with a dude's hips in my hands. No amount of imagination is going to turn your stinking butthole into a really tight vagina.

Here's an analogy. I've never eaten lobster but I've seen them nicely prepared. I think that I like lobster, but I can't say: "I'm a lobster lover," because I've never tried it. I might very well like looking at piping hot, red lobster. Though, if I were to actually try it, there's a chance I wouldn't like it at all. So until the point that the lobster meat has penetrated my mouth-hole, I can't really say one way or another.

Now go back to your stupid comedy blog.
 
2012-06-12 12:23:35 PM

Saturday's Warrior: The bigotry in this thread amazes me.

The world becomes so incredulous at the possibility that the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ can give us willpower and strength beyond measure. I feel the spirit so strongly when I read about my brothers and sisters who struggle with same-sex attraction, and how they manage to overcome the anything-goes permissive attitude so prevalent in the world in these, the last days. I am so grateful that we are guided by a living prophet today, even Thomas S. Monson, who is inspired by God, to lead us through this mortal sphere. The gentleman in this article brings to mind Nephi's faithful brother Sam during Lehi's vision of the Tree of Life, who, while holding tightly to the iron rod, did truly overcome the oppressive mists and jeering ejaculations of the wicked in the great and spacious building.

I bear my testimony to you that the gospel of Jesus Christ is the true and living gospel, which has been restored in these latter days according to prophecy, by the power of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood. Mr. Joshua Weed is truly engorged by the power of this same priesthood. These things I say to you in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.


I think it is time for your meds.
 
2012-06-12 12:24:38 PM
After reading Tal Bachmann's write-up on why he's no longer a Mormon, no, I am not surprised at all.
 
2012-06-12 12:25:05 PM

the_end_is_rear: Saturday's Warrior: The bigotry in this thread amazes me.

The world becomes so incredulous at the possibility that the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ can give us willpower and strength beyond measure. I feel the spirit so strongly when I read about my brothers and sisters who struggle with same-sex attraction, and how they manage to overcome the anything-goes permissive attitude so prevalent in the world in these, the last days. I am so grateful that we are guided by a living prophet today, even Thomas S. Monson, who is inspired by God, to lead us through this mortal sphere. The gentleman in this article brings to mind Nephi's faithful brother Sam during Lehi's vision of the Tree of Life, who, while holding tightly to the iron rod, did truly overcome the oppressive mists and jeering ejaculations of the wicked in the great and spacious building.

I bear my testimony to you that the gospel of Jesus Christ is the true and living gospel, which has been restored in these latter days according to prophecy, by the power of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood. Mr. Joshua Weed is truly engorged by the power of this same priesthood. These things I say to you in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

I think it is time for your meds.


Nah, he just used every roundabout way of referencing boners possible.
 
2012-06-12 12:25:18 PM

spentmiles: Sorry my friend, but you aren't gay. Until there's penetration, there cannot be gay. On top of that, you obviously could enjoy sex with your wife enough to reach orgasm, which wouldn't be likely if you were actually gay. No more so than I could blow a load with a dude's hips in my hands. No amount of imagination is going to turn your stinking butthole into a really tight vagina.

Here's an analogy. I've never eaten lobster but I've seen them nicely prepared. I think that I like lobster, but I can't say: "I'm a lobster lover," because I've never tried it. I might very well like looking at piping hot, red lobster. Though, if I were to actually try it, there's a chance I wouldn't like it at all. So until the point that the lobster meat has penetrated my mouth-hole, I can't really say one way or another.

Now go back to your stupid comedy blog.


Awesome analogy.
 
2012-06-12 12:25:21 PM
sure, why not?
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